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visigodo
Saturday, January 28th, 2006, 06:05 PM
I think the pictures you can see here will give a good idea how belorussians looks like.

Coons wrote about Belorussians the following:

"The White Russians, with a mean stature of 166 cm., a cephalic index of 82, a nasal index of 69, and a moderate to small head size, are simply the descendants of the Neolithic peasants, an original Mediterranean-Ladogan blend, which has reŽmerged through a Corded and Nordic upper crust, so that Neo-Danubian residue is left. Among individual White Russians Nordics can be found, and semi-mongoloid-lookig Ladogans, but the majority follow the Neo-Danubian pattern most closely".

I have been in Belarus but frankly speaking Coon seems that never visited Belarus. Mediterranean-Ladogan blend with upper Nordic crust do not make much sense to me.
I saw West-Baltids, Baltids, Eas-Baltids, Nordids, East-Alpinids (Gorids), some % of people can be Pontid or Ladogan. Is true that some population can look like Coon's Neo-Danubian type but not the majority in my opinion.

If I must say something about the racial compossition of the Belorussian people I would say that there is a Baltid core that can go to several directions. As I said before you can find West-Baltids, Baltids, East-Baltids, East-Nordids, East-Alpinids, Pontids and some Neo-Danubian looking people. But the core I would say is pred. Baltid. Going North you will find more West-Baltids and Nordids types (less Pontids and East-Alpinids) and going South more East-Alpinids and Pontids or North-Pontids (less West-Baltids and East-Nordids). East-Baltids and Neo-Danubian types can be found everywhere but probably more among peasants.
Pittard say that the average cephalix index among Belorussians is 81,1 to 82,9 depending the anthropologist. There is some areas with a relatively high percentage of dolichocephalic population mainly among the western belorussians (Grodno province etc.). In the western provinces you can find 36% dolichocephalic population according to Talko-Hryncewicz and 43% if we follow Yantchouk, probably in western provinces the Nordid and perhaps the North-Pontid race is more represented but I have never been there.

visigodo
Saturday, January 28th, 2006, 06:07 PM
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Agrippa
Saturday, January 28th, 2006, 09:26 PM
Going after your images, Nordid is dominant and Pontid stronger than thought...well, would be interesting to see how representative that is. The pictured average is nice to see, but I think its a rather positive selection.

It was interesting to see in "Medieval Games" in Bavaria an extreme Nordid dominance, my opinion is that rather schizothyme-Leptosomic individuals prefer to participate in such things, at least more so than the average, which means its a selection. Same is true, though not as strong, for the military - not to speak of preferring more attractive-progressive looking individuals as representatives - so showing them more often photographs of a group/unit or whatever.

At a second thought I should add that I think its rather representative, a good collection showing a wide range of types and including most of what I imagined being frequently in the White Russian population.

Skildur
Saturday, January 28th, 2006, 09:44 PM
Good thread, thanks Visigodo. :thumbup

visigodo
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 07:37 AM
Going after your images, Nordid is dominant and Pontid stronger than thought...well, would be interesting to see how representative that is. The pictured average is nice to see, but I think its a rather positive selection.

At a second thought I should add that I think its rather representative, a good collection showing a wide range of types and including most of what I imagined being frequently in the White Russian population.

Well, can be a positive selection, do not doubt, I took the pictures from some books and magazins for tourist and is normal that they show nice looking people, but I would say that if you visit the cities the population looks more or less like the people from the pictures I have posted but if you visit small towns is true that people do not look as nice as the examples. One thing, if you visit Minsk or Vitebsk during summer you will see extreme nice looking and beautiful women with very progressive traits. http://forum.stirpes.net//images/smilies/stirpes1/wink0001.gif

Schutzstaffelor
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 07:53 AM
Well, can be a positive selection, do not doubt, I took the pictures from some books and magazins for tourist and is normal that they show nice looking people, but I would say that if you visit the cities the population looks more or less like the people from the pictures I have posted but if you visit small towns is true that people do not look as nice as the examples. One thing, if you visit Minsk or Vitebsk during summer you will see extreme nice looking and beautiful women with very progressive traits. http://forum.stirpes.net//images/smilies/stirpes1/wink0001.gif


yes during WWII, when the famed Blau Division was making its way to the Russian front, the Spanish soldiers took many Belarussian girlfriends and wives, and the 17,000 strong division was responsible for the doubling to tripling of birthrates in some areas. Hitler was nevertheless quite infuriated with the Spanish soldiers sowing their seed among the "inferior" Slavs, however. It's no surprise that some of the mediterranean strain in the population maybe caused by the high virility of the Spanish soldiers.;)

visigodo
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 08:31 AM
yes during WWII, when the famed Blau Division was making its way to the Russian front, the Spanish soldiers took many Belarussian girlfriends and wives, and the 17,000 strong division was responsible for the doubling to tripling of birthrates in some areas. Hitler was nevertheless quite infuriated with the Spanish soldiers sowing their seed among the "inferior" Slavs, however. It's no surprise that some of the mediterranean strain in the population maybe caused by the high virility of the Spanish soldiers.;)

*Touchť! ;)

Gareth
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 11:36 AM
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=50149&d=1138473175

How would this man be classified?

visigodo
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 12:01 PM
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=50149&d=1138473175

How would this man be classified?

He is Alexei Kuzmich (Belorussian creator of seven hundred Madonna portraits).

http://images.google.es/imgres?imgurl=http://www.belarus.net/art/KUZMICH/autor02.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.belarus.net/art/KUZMICH/autor.htm&h=300&w=222&sz=16&tbnid=GeOJlj6m1L95bM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=82&hl=es&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dkuzmich%2Balexei%2B%26svnum %3D10%26hl%3Des%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

In the pictures you can see here looks pred. Baltid in my opinion. Perhaps can be some Nordid or North-Pontid admixture, I am not sure about which influence fits better.

goldgrube
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 12:35 PM
Anyone cares to classify my belorussian dad, see attachment below

visigodo
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Probably West-Baltid/Baltid blend. I am thinking some East-Baltid admixture (eyes shape perhaps) but not much. He seems to have a wide bizigomathic breadth but not really marked checkbones like East-Baltids.

Agrippa
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Probably West-Baltid/Baltid blend. I am thinking some East-Baltid admixture (eyes shape perhaps) but not much. He seems to have a wide bizigomathic breadth but not really marked checkbones like East-Baltids.

Yes, between Westbaltid-Baltid, probably with very minor Nordid influence. I think a wide bizygomatic breadth is normal for all Osteuropid forms, I dont see significant Eastbaltid.

Georg Campanius
Saturday, June 3rd, 2006, 04:05 AM
I don't remember of where from this picture, but she is a russian girl.
classify her

Klegutati
Sunday, June 11th, 2006, 10:48 PM
What's a Pontid?:(

Mannerheim
Sunday, June 11th, 2006, 10:51 PM
What's a Pontid?:(


PONTID (Cherkess type) Mediterranid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) subtype. Pontids are found in greatest concentration in southeastern Europe (the Balkans, southern Romania, the Ukraine), and predominate in regions immediately adjacent to the Black Sea (including parts of the Caucasus), after which Bunak (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#BUNAK, VIKTOR VALERIANOVICH) named the type (Pontic; to the ancient Greeks, the Black or Euxine Sea was known as Pontos, "the Sea"). The type is tall (yet not as tall as the Atlanto-Mediterranid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss1.htm#ATLANTO-MEDITERRANID) type) and quite gracile, with smooth facial features, and is characterized by a high skull, a narrow forehead, somewhat narrow apertures of the eyes, and a lighter pigmentation compared to the Mediterranid (http://www.snpa.skadi.net/gloss2.htm#MEDITERRANID) mean.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/index2.htm

Klegutati
Wednesday, June 14th, 2006, 12:53 AM
I was actually told I was a mix of this and another.. Where do they originally come from?:|

JŠnos Hunyadi
Wednesday, June 21st, 2006, 10:36 PM
Beautiful pics Visigodo!

Thanks to its hard-line no-nonsense leader Alexander Lukashenko this country remains free from modern self-destructive trends like "multiculturalism", "diversity", "political correctness" and compassion for "refugees".

Belarus is also well sealed off from the west. Lukashenko rules his nation like a dictator. He makes sure that filth like MTV and African-American hip-hop gangster culture don't become popular amongst his nation's youth.

As soon as these “values” are forced upon Belarus – it will become black/muslim/mestizo like the rest of the formerly White world. Maybe it will be one of Europes last strongholds.

Long live Mr.Lukashenko! Hail Belarus!

visigodo
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Some more Belorussians form gegaruch.org. In this case seems that they have been selected from historical people and also from types of good racial extraction. Anyway many of the examples are quite typical Belorrusians for sure. The girls really are beautiful.


http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/7913/belrasaflk1hy5.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasaflk1hy5.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/3403/belrasaflk2vw7.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasaflk2vw7.jpg)

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/9248/belrasaflk3po3.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasaflk3po3.jpg)

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3653/belrasahist1ba8.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasahist1ba8.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/8284/belrasahist2ib9.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasahist2ib9.jpg)

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/8799/belrasahist3wt5.th.jpg (http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasahist3wt5.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7281/belrasahist4dp3.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasahist4dp3.jpg)

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/6016/belrasahist5vf6.th.jpg (http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasahist5vf6.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1121/belrasamtr1bg3.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr1bg3.jpg)

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/4837/belrasamtr2ki9.th.jpg (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr2ki9.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2636/belrasamtr6du4.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr6du4.jpg)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5270/belrasamtr7js4.th.jpg (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr7js4.jpg)

http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/3425/belrasamtr8cx2.th.jpg (http://img164.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr8cx2.jpg)

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3385/belrasamtr9mz5.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasamtr9mz5.jpg)

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4859/belrasatmr1ah4.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasatmr1ah4.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/2258/belrasatmr2kd3.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasatmr2kd3.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/69/belrasatmr3oi5.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasatmr3oi5.jpg)

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4411/belrasavir1sx7.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir1sx7.jpg)

http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/931/belrasavir2bo6.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir2bo6.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/361/belrasavir3sj8.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir3sj8.jpg)

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/7093/belrasavir4dx5.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir4dx5.jpg)

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4645/belrasavir5yu3.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir5yu3.jpg)

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/5308/belrasavir6cs4.th.jpg (http://img378.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir6cs4.jpg)

http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/4237/belrasavir7jx6.th.jpg (http://img280.imageshack.us/my.php?image=belrasavir7jx6.jpg)

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Pro-Alpine
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 06:06 PM
great post Visigodo. Once again you have proven yourself resourceful.