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Frans_Jozef
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 03:24 PM
A flemish model.

http://www.ann-van-elsen.be/

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 06:43 PM
I think she's an Alpinid.

Pomor
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:53 PM
I think she looks Bruenn with a bit of Mediterranean.

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:00 PM
I think she looks Bruenn with a bit of Mediterranean.

No, she is predominantly Mediterranean. Notice dark pigmentation, long face, strong chin and very leptorhine nose with a downward slanting tip. She looks like she is part Gypsy, actually (no ofense intended, simply making an observation).

Pomor
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:03 PM
No, she is predominantly Mediterranean. Notice dark pigmentation, long face, strong chin and very leptorhine nose with a downward slanting tip. She looks like she is part Gypsy, actually (no oofense intended, simply making an observation).

It was her jaw and blue eyes that made me say Bruenn.

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:14 PM
It was her jaw and blue eyes that made me say Bruenn.

Bruenns are extremely light-skinned, snub-nosed, and usually possess a certain degree of hair rufosity. Mediterraneans can, and often do have strong jaws and blue eyes.

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:17 PM
She looks like a Boer girl I know whose ancestors are also from Flanders.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:30 PM
I thought people of Flemish or English ancestry that live in South-Africa are not called Boers. I thought only people of Dutch ancestry were called Boers in South-Africa.

Correct me if I am wrong please

But anyway Flemings and Dutch are very similar, so you probably have a good point because the look this girl has is very common in the Low Countries

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:33 PM
I thought people of Flemish or English ancestry that live in South-Africa are not called Boers. I thought only people of Dutch ancestry were called Boers in South-Africa.

Correct me if I am wrong please.


The Boers are a mixed people of predominantly NW-Central European descent, including Dutch, German, Flemish, British and French elements. As far as I am aware, all Afrikaans-speaking Whites living in the area of the former Transvaal, Natal, and Oranje Vrystaat, as well as smaller numbers of Afrikaans-speaking Whites in Namibia, Zambia, Zimbabwe and Kenya, call themselves 'Boers',

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:37 PM
``In 1652, a group of people from the Netherlands settled in South Africa. The Netherlands are also known as Holland, and the people who live there are "Dutch." These settlers came to be known as Boers because Boer is the Dutch word for farmer.
``

http://www.mrdowling.com/610-boers.html

by the way : the language of South-Africa called ``Afrikaans`` is derived from Dutch

Dont you remember the British versus the Boers war 100 years ago? (``the Boer war``)

Allenson
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:44 PM
She looks a little 'rounded' and chubby in the cheeks for a pure Med classification to me. Also, I was under the impression that Meds don't have the deep mandibles and strong chins often found further north.

I'm thinking that she shows North Atlantid traits (eyes, nose and over all facial morphology) merged with a UP strain that might give her the deeper mandible.

I suspect that she has a bit of a tan in these pics as well...

Whatever the case, I find her quite pretty.

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:45 PM
``In 1652, a group of people from the Netherlands settled in South Africa. The Netherlands are also known as Holland, and the people who live there are "Dutch." These settlers came to be known as Boers because Boer is the Dutch word for farmer.
``

http://www.mrdowling.com/610-boers.html

I know that Afrikaaners descend partly from Dutchmen. However, they've absorbed a lot of German, French and British blood as well. The pre-1994 government of South Africa estimated the composition of the Afrikaners' genepool to be this:

40% Dutch
40% German
7.5% British
7.5% French
5% other



by the way : the language of South-Africa called ``Afrikaans`` is derived from Dutch

I know.


Dont you remember the British versus the Boers war 100 years ago? (``the Boer war``)

Of course. That didn't stop the Afrikaners from absorbing 7.5% British ancestry though :)

In any case, I don't really like the term 'Afrikaner', or, for that matter, 'Afrikaners'. Anyone who looks more or less white and speaks Afrikaans feels free to call himself an 'Afrikaner' these days; hell, I've seen Cape 'Afrikaners' with brown skins, platyrhine noses, and kinky hair. I don't care for 'Afrikaners'. I like Boers :).

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:48 PM
I am a so-called "Boer". Our ethnic make-up is approximately this:

40% Dutch
40% German (mostly from Lower Saxony)
7% French
the rest mainly Scandinavian (Danish, Norwegian and Swedish), British, Swiss and Austrian.

So we are mostly of Germanic derivation.

I have seen girls as dark as that in the pic among Boers, but the average is lighter than that, probably not much different from the current Dutch population. There is a high degree of blondism under us -- just go to a shopping mall in Pretoria and you will observe.

Although the "Dutch" part was from all over the Netherlands, it came mostly from the Protestant north, since Catholics didn't go there. It was a Protestant refuge after the desolation of the Thirty Years War. That is why the French Huguenots joined them.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:49 PM
Ok

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:52 PM
Coming back to the girl in question, I think she has Mediterranean inspiration. Probably some Nord/Alpine/Med mix. Difficult to say.

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:53 PM
There is a high degree of blondism under us

Indeed! :)

Students from the Uiversity of Pretoria:
http://www.vryheidsfront.co.za/images/jeug_04.jpg
http://www.vryheidsfront.co.za/images/jeug_03.jpg

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:58 PM
Charlize Theron is a famous Boer:

http://www.charlizetheron.com/Photos1/ctnewDec99b.jpg

Golfers Ernie Els and Retief Goosen are as well.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:59 PM
I noticed a lot of white South-Africans have German names :

-many names ending on -nn

-many names with an Umlaut (= 2 points above the letter e,u,o,a)


names ending on double n (-nn) are typical German. Names ending on a single n (-n) are often Dutch. The Umlaut is not known in the Dutch language

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:01 PM
Boer rugby player Jean de Villers:

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:04 PM
I noticed a lot of white South-Africans have German names :

-many names ending on -nn

-many names with an Umlaut (= 2 points above the letter e,u,o,a)


names ending on double n (-nn) are typical German. Names ending on a single n (-n) are often Dutch. The Umlaut is not known in the Dutch language

Not surprising, since 40% of the Afrikaner genepool is of German origin.

There is also a large community of Afrikaans-speaking Germans in Namibia.

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:05 PM
Some children:

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:05 PM
Boer rugby player Jean de Villers:

Looks quite Nordic. I think the most common phenotypes among Boers, in descending order of importance, are Borreby, Borreby-Nordid mixes, Nordic, and Alpine.

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:06 PM
Not surprising, since 40% of the Afrikaner genepool is of German origin.

There is also a large community of Afrikaans-speaking Germans in Namibia.

For an anti-Semitic automaker you know a hell of a lot about our heritage :D

Prodigal Son
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Some children:

I was just about to post that pic from Orania, but you beat me to it, Loki! :)

Allenson
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:08 PM
More pics of Van Elsen here:

http://www.bartvo.com/gallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=missbelgium

Click on the pics and you'll get a close-up...

I'm not sure about my earlier classification now...she is a little hard to tell. The Med element is certainly there but it seems different than a "typical" Italian or Spanish Med...

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:13 PM
I was just about to post that pic from Orania, but you beat me to it, Loki! :)

LOL, you seem to have an extensive library there. But then again that pic has gone around the world a few times.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:18 PM
I wouldnt call An van Elsen a mediterranean type. She is too light to be mediterranean in my opinion. She is maybe more a Keltic-Nordic?

Anyway there are a lot of Belgian and Dutch people that are much darker :

http://www.videoflicks.com/images/actors/FamkeJanssen/0001.jpg
Famke Janssen, dutch

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/tr/pl/s/154172.jpg
Eric Deflandre, belgian

http://www.rtl.nl/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2003/01_januari/03/binnenland/0103halsema.jpg
Femke Halsema, dutch


I think the above 3 persons look more mediterranean than An van Elsen

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:20 PM
They look more North-Atlantid.They are not gracile Insular Med types which is common in Iberia and Sardinia.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:33 PM
What about these people, providenje? Could they pass for ``iberian/sardinian`` in your opinion?

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/tr/pl/s/177692.jpg
Jacky Peeters, Belgian

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2002/08/liga/primera/equipos/deportivo/imagenes/makaay.jpg
Roy Makaay, Dutch

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:54 PM
What about these people, providenje? Could they pass for ``iberian/sardinian`` in your opinion?

Do they look 'gracile' in your opinion? They look tall and robust.Are there people in Sardinia that resemble them? Probably, I wouldn't deny that.

What do you think of this footballer from Holland....

http://www.sportal.it/imagelib/995771.jpg

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:00 PM
``What do you think of this footballer from Holland....

http://www.sportal.it/imagelib/995771.jpg``


He is not Dutch. That is Mateja Kezman. He is a Yugoslavian (Serbian) footballer that plays for the Dutch club PSV Eindhoven

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:02 PM
What about these people, providenje? Could they pass for ``iberian/sardinian`` in your opinion?

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/tr/pl/s/177692.jpg
Jacky Peeters, Belgian

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/especiales/2002/08/liga/primera/equipos/deportivo/imagenes/makaay.jpg
Roy Makaay, Dutch

You are being ignorant. "Makaay" is not a Dutch surname. This guy is probably some Surinamese immigrant mix or something.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:04 PM
Makaay is a Dutch name. Roy Makaay is ethnic Dutch.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:05 PM
``What do you think of this footballer from Holland....

http://www.sportal.it/imagelib/995771.jpg``


He is not Dutch. That is Mateja Kezman. He is a Yugoslavian (Serbian) footballer that plays for the Dutch club PSV Eindhoven

Hehe, gotcha.

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:07 PM
Makaay is a Dutch name. Roy Makaay is ethnic Dutch.

He is not. He is as Dutch as the Queen of England is Chinese.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:17 PM
Ofcourse Roy Makaay is Dutch. There are a lot of British, Dutch and Belgian people that look mediterranean

Mediterranean types are not rare in the Low Countries and Britain, it forms an important minority.

More examples of Mediterranean looking English and Dutch people :

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38144000/jpg/_38144877_studio150pa.jpg
Rowan Atkinson, English

http://www.vi.nl/assets_tracker/kolom_a/dennis_gentenaar01_16292.jpg
Dennis Gentenaar, Dutch

http://mysite.freeserve.com/williamsf1/images/6-picture1.gif
Damon Hill, English

http://tvbabes.com/presentatrices/images/vannessathuyns.jpg
Vannessa Thuyns, Dutch

http://www.uefa.com/ImagesContent/Competition/Players/129X194/24714.jpg
Mark van Bommel, Dutch

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:22 PM
Oh please, they all look Europid, except for the woman and you know that.

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:25 PM
Ofcourse Roy Makaay is Dutch.

He is not Dutch.


http://tvbabes.com/presentatrices/images/vannessathuyns.jpg
Vannessa Thuyns, Dutch

This woman is obviously not pure Dutch. Don't let her name and language fool you. The Netherlands has more than 20% immigrants from all over the world, like yourself too. You are not Dutch - you are an immigrant impostor, trying to stir trouble here. What do you want here, anyway?

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:29 PM
I am not an immigrant. I dont know why you say that. I am just Dutch. As far as I can trace back all my grandfathers and grandmothers are Dutch.

Here you have another picture of Vannessa, she could pass easily for a Spaniard or Italian. She is a meditterrean type (atlanto-mediterranean/north-atlantid whatever you want to call it), they form an important minority in Britain, Netherlands and Belgium.

http://www.rtl.nl/components/programma/yorinshop/rtlshop_presentatie_210x234.jpg

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:34 PM
I am not an immigrant. I dont know why you say that. I am just Dutch. As far as I can trace back all my grandfathers and grandmothers are Dutch.

You behave like one. At the very least, you are less intelligent than the average Dutch person, since you cannot even distinguish your own kin from non-white immigrants. That is why I doubt that you are in fact Dutch. I still think you are an impostor.

So answer my question: what are you looking for here at Skadi? Certainly not knowledge, for you reject everything we tell you. And we don't want to listen to your nonsense. So why don't you go away?

Loki
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:35 PM
I am not an immigrant. I dont know why you say that. I am just Dutch. As far as I can trace back all my grandfathers and grandmothers are Dutch.

Here you have another picture of Vannessa, she could pass easily for a Spaniard or Italian. She is a meditterrean type (atlanto-mediterranean/north-atlantid whatever you want to call it), they form an important minority in Britain, Netherlands and Belgium.

http://www.rtl.nl/components/programma/yorinshop/rtlshop_presentatie_210x234.jpg

Vanessa is not pure Dutch. I bet she has Malay blood.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Here you have another picture of Vannessa, she could pass easily for a Spaniard or Italian. She is a meditterrean type (atlanto-mediterranean/north-atlantid whatever you want to call it), they form an important minority in Britain, Netherlands and Belgium.

http://www.rtl.nl/components/programma/yorinshop/rtlshop_presentatie_210x234.jpg


She is not Med. She's part Mongoloid probably from Indonesia.

Horagalles
Friday, October 21st, 2005, 06:22 PM
Indeed! :)

Students from the Uiversity of Pretoria:
http://www.vryheidsfront.co.za/images/jeug_04.jpg
http://www.vryheidsfront.co.za/images/jeug_03.jpgBlondism seems to be more common amongst the higher class of Afrikaners. And those of course are stronger represented amongst people esp. girls attending University.

The tan from that Ann may will be mostly from the sun bed. Or so I would assume, since see is a model and this may make her more marketable.