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Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:25 PM
All right here are some Belarussians. I dont know which part of a country they are from, but I know that southern Belarus is less nordic than northern part. You may compare them with those kids from Poland.

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/fotos/fotki/schoolzarisovki/school2.jpg
http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/fotos/fotki/schoolzarisovki/school9.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/umniki.jpg

http://prodlenka.ru/photos/2003/graffiti/0303/002.jpg

http://prodlenka.ru/photos/2003/gg/01b/028.jpg

http://prodlenka.ru/photos/2003/gg/02/001.jpg

http://prodlenka.ru/photos/2003/summer/0627/001.jpg


http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/inessa3.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/buinevichmihail.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/anton1.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/serebrodima.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/poberskayayulya.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/smoker1.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/littlecare.jpg

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:26 PM
I may add some more pics later.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Northern Belarussians are simmilar to Poles and Balts, and Southern Belarussians are simmilar to central Ukrainians. around 75% of the population belongs to the Northern type, and about a quarter to the Southern. 50% of Northern Belarussians are blonde, according to Bunak.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:29 PM
I would classify Belarussians in general as mainly a mix of east-baltic and alpine, with the alpine being more important than the east-baltic

This is the same as how I would classify Poles

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:32 PM
I would classify Belarussians in general as mainly a mix of east-baltic and alpine, with the alpine being more important than the east-baltic

This is the same as how I would classify Poles

Spend some more time on SNPA or wherever else. Seriously.

cosmocreator
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:33 PM
I see many East Baltic types. There are exceptions.

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:38 PM
I see many East Baltic types. There are exceptions.

I'd say vice-versa (or whatever the spelling is). East Baltic is an exception.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:39 PM
More from the same site:

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/fotos/fotki/schoolzarisovki/school8.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/fotos/fotki/schoolzarisovki/school4.jpg

http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/full/poxod_1.jpg

Whole Gallery (http://www.smorgontusa.by.ru/gallery/index.shtml)

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:44 PM
I see many East Baltic types. There are exceptions.


Most belarrusians belong to the 'Valdaic' type, which is essentially a blonde Alpine; in this respect they are identical to central Russians. There is a submerged Mongoloid element in Southenr Belarus, so I'm guessing in the clinical area something approximating the East Baltic type would be found.

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:51 PM
Most belarrusians belong to the 'Valdaic' type, which is essentially a blonde Alpine; in this respect they are identical to central Russians. There is a submerged Mongoloid element in Southenr Belarus, so I'm guessing in the clinical area something approximating the East Baltic type would be found.

Mongoloid influence in Belarus is 0%. Ladogan admixture may be present but in tiny percentage.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Mongoloid influence in Belarus is 0%. Ladogan admixture may be present but in tiny percentage.


That's based on mtDNA and Y-chromosom markers, which are not very reliable. Anthropological data says that there is a very small sumbmerged Mongoloid element in Southern Belarus (just as there is in the Baltic countries) according to research done by Viktor Cheboksarov. I am not saying there are people who look Mongoloid walking around, but East-Baltic types can definitely be found.

Loki
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Most belarrusians belong to the 'Valdaic' type, which is essentially a blonde Alpine; in this respect they are identical to central Russians.

This fits Baker's description well of the "Osteuropid", perhaps discounting his claims that it has no Nordic origins or admixture.

StrÝbog
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:58 PM
That's based on mtDNA and Y-chromosom markers, which are not very reliable. Anthropological data says that there is a very small sumbmerged Mongoloid element in Southern Belarus (just as there is in the Baltic countries) according to research done by Viktor Cheboksarov. I am not saying there are people who look Mongoloid walking around, but East-Baltic types can definitely be found.

What makes you believe East Baltics must have Mongoloid admixture?

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 08:00 PM
``That's based on mtDNA and Y-chromosom markers, which are not very reliable``


lol

dna is the most reliable source you can get

There is no mongoloid admixture in Belarussians, and if there is some, then its very small

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 08:20 PM
``That's based on mtDNA and Y-chromosom markers, which are not very reliable``


lol

dna is the most reliable source you can get

mtDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups are not equivalent to autosomal DNA. As Polak pointed out, Turanid Kazakhs can carry Indo-European Eu-19 and have Caucasoid mtDNA. The idiocy of your ravings seems to increase with the number of your posts. Learn some physical anthropology, some genetics and then try responding to threads. Until then, you'll look like a complete fool.



There is no mongoloid admixture in Belarussians, and if there is some, then its very small

It's small, but its there. I don't know what the big deal is; virtually all Northern European ethnicities have small amounts of Mongoloid admixture.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 08:23 PM
Wend, can you find some pictures from the Ryazan, Penza, Tambov or Saratov oblasts of Russia? That area is predominantly Nordic.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 08:27 PM
Belarussians and Poles are not majority nordic or majority east-baltic

thats just a fact that im pointing out on this boards, some people just cant take it and calling me a fool

I dont know why, perhaps they have problems with not falling in the nordic Scandinavian category. Perhaps they dont like their Central-European look, a sort of selfhate

Its not my problem, its their problem. Im being objective here

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Wend, can you find some pictures from the Ryazan, Penza, Tambov or Saratov oblasts of Russia? That area is predominantly Nordic.

I think I can. I will try to.

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 09:37 PM
Belarussians and Poles are not majority nordic or majority east-baltic

thats just a fact that im pointing out on this boards, some people just cant take it and calling me a fool

I dont know why, perhaps they have problems with not falling in the nordic Scandinavian category. Perhaps they dont like their Central-European look, a sort of selfhate

Its not my problem, its their problem. Im being objective here

According to you the whole continental Europe is Alpine from Northern Italy to Denmark and from Ireland to Belarus. However if you tell me that an average French (who is Alpine according to you) looks like an average Belarussian (who is Alpine too according to you) you will make yourself look like a fool. They dont look even close. No one tries to say that Belarussians look like Scandinavians. However they are almost as blond.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 09:46 PM
``According to you the whole continental Europe is Alpine from Northern Italy to Denmark and from Ireland to Belarus.``


I never said that.


``However if you tell me that an average French (who is Alpine according to you) looks like an average Belarussian (who is Alpine too according to you) you will make yourself look like a fool. They dont look even close.``


I never said that Belarussians are just alpine. I said Belarussians are mostly alpine but with a lot of east-baltic admixture.

French are mostly alpine with some nordic and mediterranean admixture

Belarussians have more ``nordic`` (east-baltic) admixture and less mediterranean admixture than the French, and this is why the average French person looks darker than the average Belarussian.



``No one tries to say that Belarussians look like Scandinavians. However they are almost as blond.``


Belarussians are almost as blond as Scandinavians? LOL
You must be kidding, right?

Scandinavia : majority blond, minority brown hair

Belarus : majority brown hair, minority blond

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 09:58 PM
Belarussians are almost as blond as Scandinavians? LOL
You must be kidding, right?

Scandinavia : majority blond, minority brown hair

Belarus : majority brown hair, minority blond

Listen you have no info on your hands and you are making such an assumptions.

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Fischer scale numbers 9 - 26 (light brown and lighter shades)

Vepses - 61%
Estonians - 56%
Poles - 55%
Northern Bielorussians - 53%
Finns - 51.5%
Latvians - 50%
Norwegians - 50%
Lithuanians - 47.5%
Northern Russians - 47.5%
Southern Russians - 30%

Data on Swedes is not available. Swedes may be somewhat blonder than Southern Russians, but less blond than Norwegians. All other Northern European groups are less blond.

PURE LIGHT EYES

Sweden:

Light and light mixed eyes - 67%

Norway:

76% of light and light mixed eyes, including 38.5% *pure* light eyes.

The blondest Norwegian group - 86.5% of light and light mixed eyes.

Ireland:

Light and light mixed eyes - 76%, including 46% of *pure* light eyes.


Eastern Europe:

Estonians - 64.5% of *pure* light eyes
Latvians - 62.5% of *pure* light eyes
Vepses - 62% of *pure* light eyes

Northern Bielorussians - 56% of *pure* light eyes
Eastern Russians - 50%-55% of *pure* light eyes
Western Russians - 45-50% of *pure* light eyes

Lithuanians - 47.5% of *pure* light eyes

Ukrainians - 38% of *pure* light eyes
---------------------------------------------------------

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Look at the pictures of Belarussians the topicstarter posted

Most of them have brown hair

If you think that these people are just an exception, then go search for other pictures of Belarussians or visit Belarus. You will see : most of them have brown hair

The average Belarussian has much darker hair than the average Scandinavian

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 10:59 PM
Look at the pictures of Belarussians the topicstarter posted

Most of them have brown hair

If you think that these people are just an exception, then go search for other pictures of Belarussians or visit Belarus. You will see : most of them have brown hair

The average Belarussian has much darker hair than the average Scandinavian

First of all I am the topic starter. Secondly I am Russian. Thirdly I've been living in Northern Belarus for about a year. Lastly these pics are not from Northern Belarus. Now some newbie tries to tell me how Belarussians look like and what hair-color they have. Incredible.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 11:02 PM
50% of Northern Belarussians are blonde - I don't know whether this includes lightbrown shades. I don't know the figures for Southern Belarussians though.

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 11:04 PM
50% of Northern Belarussians are blonde - I don't know whether this includes lightbrown shades. I don't know the figures for Southern Belarussians though.

They are blonder than the ones I posted. However ash-blondism is rare as well.

StrÝbog
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 11:42 PM
Belarus and northwestern Russia, as well as Finland and the Baltic states, are the most depigmented, blondest, blue-eyed region in the world, at least as blond as Scandinavia. Look at Beddoe's maps.

cvbnm thinks everyone everywhere is Alpine, except for Holland and England which he claims are mostly Keltic. LOL where is this guy getting his info? :rofl

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 01:29 AM
mtDNA and Y-chromosome haplogroups are not equivalent to autosomal DNA. As Polak pointed out, Turanid Kazakhs can carry Indo-European Eu-19 and have Caucasoid mtDNA. The idiocy of your ravings seems to increase with the number of your posts. Learn some physical anthropology, some genetics and then try responding to threads. Until then, you'll look like a complete fool.




It's small, but its there. I don't know what the big deal is; virtually all Northern European ethnicities have small amounts of Mongoloid admixture.


Exactly.