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norda
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 11:59 AM
I have attached links to pictures of all pupils in secondary school in Zukowo in Pomerania.
I think it shows great variety of nordish types. From east-baltics (strong), hallstadt nordics, neo-danubian, fallisch even upper palaeolithic (borreby) and many cross types.


browse the number of class

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl

example:

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIIdz.doc

norda
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 12:06 PM
I have attached links to pictures of all pupils in secondary school in Zukowo in Pomerania.
I think it shows great variety of nordish types. From east-baltics (strong), hallstadt nordics, neo-danubian, fallisch even upper palaeolithic (borreby) and many cross types.


browse the number of class

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl

example:

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIIdz.doc

norda
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 12:14 PM
east baltics (some very typicall)

Loki
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 12:28 PM
Very nice pictures norda... thanks for this. This is clearly a north European population.

Polak
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 12:46 PM
You can't really get any more Corded Nordic than this guy.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3329

Polak
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 12:50 PM
This girl's amazing.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3320

Johnny Reb
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 06:38 PM
There seems to be a suprisingly high amount of readheads, amongst the boys.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 06:56 PM
``Very nice pictures norda... thanks for this. This is clearly a north European population``

No it isnt. If you look at the website and the photo`s on it, then you see that the topicstarter has only posted pictures of the nordic looking students.

Most students on that website dont look nordish

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:02 PM
Judging by these pictures they seem to be very Nordish indeed.

Johnny Reb
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:08 PM
``Very nice pictures norda... thanks for this. This is clearly a north European population``

No it isnt. If you look at the website and the photo`s on it, then you see that the topicstarter has only posted pictures of the nordic looking students.

Most students on that website dont look nordish

I think you're mistaken. I looked through the site as well, and it's safe to say that these pictures represent the average. There were some people with darker features, but they were definitely in the minority.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:10 PM
ok lets look at these students :

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIIdz.doc

I count :

21 brownhaired students
3 redhaired student
5 blondhaired students

nordics (amount : 8) are only a minority among these students

Loki
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:19 PM
``Very nice pictures norda... thanks for this. This is clearly a north European population``

No it isnt. If you look at the website and the photo`s on it, then you see that the topicstarter has only posted pictures of the nordic looking students.

Most students on that website dont look nordish

cbvnm, with all due respect, it seems you think it is impossible for any European society to be relatively homogenous. You are mistaken. Not all places in Europe are multicultural hellholes like Amsterdam.

These pictures clearly depict a northern European society. I would not mistake it for a Spanish, Italian or French school.

cosmocreator
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:21 PM
Kashubian-Pomeranian ? Where is this place. I'm pretty good at geography but I don't know where this is. I assume it's somewhere around Serbia.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:22 PM
Most students on the site look alpine


its in Poland, cosmo

Stríbog
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:24 PM
Kashubian-Pomeranian ? Where is this place. I'm pretty good at geography but I don't know where this is. I assume it's somewhere around Serbia.

It's on the German-Polish border in the Baltic. :)

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Most students on the site look alpine


its in Poland, cosmo

How many times do we have to tell you that you can not judge people just by their hair-color. None of the students are Alpine.

cosmocreator
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:30 PM
I think the majority are East Baltic.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:33 PM
``How many times do we have to tell you that you can not judge people just by their hair-color. None of the students are Alpine.``


Most of the students have broad heads and brown hair

these are clearly alpine characteristics

Pomor
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:37 PM
``How many times do we have to tell you that you can not judge people just by their hair-color. None of the students are Alpine.``


Most of the students have broad heads and brown hair

these are clearly alpine characteristics
Broad heads are not neccessarily an Alpine characteristic.

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:38 PM
````How many times do we have to tell you that you can not judge people just by their hair-color.``

are you insane? Haircolour is one of the 4 characteristics of European subraces

alpine = brown hair, brown eyes, broad head, medium stature

nordic = blond hair, blue eyes, long headed, tall

mediterranean = ``

dinaric = ``

east-baltic = ``

haircolour is a very important factor therefore, because its one of the 4

cosmocreator
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 07:45 PM
````How many times do we have to tell you that you can not judge people just by their hair-color.``

are you insane? Haircolour is one of the 4 characteristics of European subraces

alpine = brown hair, brown eyes, broad head, medium stature

nordic = blond hair, blue eyes, long headed, tall

mediterranean = ``

dinaric = ``

east-baltic = ``

haircolour is a very important factor therefore, because its one of the 4


If all you have is a skull, how would you determine which subrace it would belong to since there would be no soft parts?

cbvnm
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 08:28 PM
Belarussians and Poles are not majority nordic or majority east-baltic

thats just a fact that im pointing out on this boards, some people just cant take it and calling me a fool

I dont know why, perhaps they have problems with not falling in the nordic Scandinavian category. Perhaps they dont like their Central-European look, a sort of selfhate

Its not my problem, its their problem. Im being objective here

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 01:02 AM
Belarussians and Poles are not majority nordic or majority east-baltic

thats just a fact that im pointing out on this boards, some people just cant take it and calling me a fool

I dont know why, perhaps they have problems with not falling in the nordic Scandinavian category. Perhaps they dont like their Central-European look, a sort of selfhate

Its not my problem, its their problem. Im being objective here


It's nice that you've come up with a whole new classification system for yourself.

But it would be an understatement to say that you have oversimplified the situation.

Alpines in Poland are very rare. In fact, all "pure" types are rare in Poland, but Alpines are rarer than most.

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 05:11 AM
The students on this website are a mix of East Baltic, Nordic and Borreby.

There is very little Alpine there.

The blondest element seems to be Falish. The pure Nordics usually have light brown to medium brown hair.

The East Baltics range from extreme blond to dark brown.

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 05:37 AM
Slightly off topic, but are Alpines known to be short? I know a number of people of German extraction who are around 6 ft tall, but have brown eyes and hair. I have no pictures, but what would cause such dark pigmentation in these North/Central Europeans of such height? Have Alpines been known to grow from a better diet as other Eastern Europeans have?

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 05:44 AM
Slightly off topic, but are Alpines known to be short? I know a number of people of German extraction who are around 6 ft tall, but have brown eyes and hair. I have no pictures, but what would cause such dark pigmentation in these North/Central Europeans of such height? Have Alpines been known to grow from a better diet as other Eastern Europeans have?


Height and pigmentation are not linked in any way. They're inherited seperately.

And hieght is greatly influenced by the enviornment too.

So a blond can be short, and a brunet extremely tall.

And Alpines are becoming extinct because everyone's getting taller. LOL

Johnny Reb
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 05:56 AM
So what would be the defining thing in that case? Skull shape?

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 06:40 AM
So what would be the defining thing in that case? Skull shape?


Well there is no defining thing really.

Alpines don't really exist as a race. There never was an Alpine race except in the minds of old anthropologists.

There are/were only Caucasoids with round skulls. But their pigmentation and stature has always varied.

Their facial features have varied as well.

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:48 AM
I have tried to classify the one class (IVble). http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IVble.doc

I could make some mistakes so comments are welcome.

name hair eyes face nose race minor
AdamczykAgnieszkablond blue square s/p fallish east baltic
BenkowskaMonika d.blond blue round straight neo-danubian
CichoszGrażyna d.blond blue long straight fallish
CyrockaKatarzyna d.blond blue square straight borreby falish
CzarneckaDiana blond blue square s/p fallish
DejkPatrycja brown brown long straight borreby corded
DrewingEdyta brown blue round straight borreby
FrankowskaWeronikabrown grey square straight subnordic
FularczykAndrzej blond blue round plum east baltic
GrothaSławomir d.blond grey square straight neo-danubianborreby
HallmannAgnieszka l.brown blue round straight neo-danubian
JesaWeronika brown blue round plum east baltic
KamińskaKarolina brown blue square straight borreby
KąkolIwona d.blond grey long straight hallstadt
KlechowiczMagdalenabrown grey round s/p subnordic neo-danubian
KraskaEwelina d.brown grey round straight subnordic
KrauzeKarolina l.brown blue square straight fallish
Kreft Janusz d.blond grey long straight hallstadt corded
KreftaAneta brown grey round straight subnordic
KreftAgnieszka brown blue square s/p borreby
LabuddaEdyta d.blond blue round plum east baltic
MiotkEmilia d.blond blue round s/p neo-danubian
PettkeLucyna d.blond blue square straight neo
PietrusińskaMałgorzatabrown blue long s/p borreby
RerekKarolina brown brown round straight subnordic alpine
RichertKatarzyna red/brownbrown square s/p borreby
SkierkaKarolina d.blond grey round s/p east baltic
SzwertfegerAlina blond grey round straight fallish
SzynszeckaKatarzynablond blue long straight fallish hallstadt
TrepczykTadeusz brown grey round straight neo-danubian
WałaszkowskiDariusz brown green square straight borreby subnordic
WysieckaHanna blond blue square s/p fallish



So i tried to classify whole group as fallows

hairs n. %
blond 6 19%
d.blond 11 34%
light 17 53%
l.brown 2 6%
red/brown1 3%
brown 12 38%
dark 15 47%

eyes
blue 18 56%
grey 10 31%
green 1 3%
light 29 91%
brown 3 9%
dark 3 9%

face
long 6 19%
round 14 44%
square 12 38%

nose
straight 20 63%
plum 3 9%
straight/plum9 28%

race
boreby 8 25%
east baltic4 13%
fallish 7 22%
hallstadt 2 6%
neo-danubian6 19%
subnordic 5 16%

types
pure blond16 50%
mix type 13 41%
dark 3 9%



Well there is no defining thing really.

Alpines don't really exist as a race. There never was an Alpine race except in the minds of old anthropologists.

There are/were only Caucasoids with round skulls. But their pigmentation and stature has always varied.

Their facial features have varied as well.

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 09:47 AM
next class IVa le

http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IVale.doc

I could make some mistakes so comments are welcome.

name hair eyes face nose race / minor
Aneta Bigus blond grey round s/p neo-danubian
Marzena Czerwionkad.blond grey round straight neo-danubian
Kamila Furman d.blond grey square s/p east baltic
Marcin Grabowski l.brown brown long straight corded borreby
Emilia Hejnowska d.blond blue long straight fallish
Kamila Herman brown brown square s/p borreby subnordic
Justyna Karczewskabrown brown round plum east baltic
Karolina Kwidzińska d.blond grey round straight neo-danubian
Sylwia Malc brown grey round plum east baltic
Karolina Miler l.brown brown round straight subnordic
Sylwia Piór blond blue long straight fallish neo-danubian
Aleksandra Przybyłabrown brown round straight alpine
Sylwia Reglińska brown blue round straight neo-danubian
Jerzy Skura blond grey square straight fallish
Marcin Wilma brown grey round straight neo-danubian
Kinga Wrońska blond blue round straight neo-danubianfallish
Kamila Zielińska brown green square s/p east baltic
Honorata Chodowskad.blond grey long straight hallstadt corded
Karolina Drewing brown grey square straight borreby
Emilia Górecka blond blue square straight fallish
Justyna Grot blond blue round straight fallish
Dorota Herbasz blond grey square s/p fallish
Krzysztof Jereczek brown grey long straight subnordic
Emilia Kujawska d.blond grey round straight fallish
Michał Ludwichowskibrown grey round straight subnordic alpine
Sabina Mehring brown blue round straight borreby
Alicja Nowacka d.blond grey square straight neo-danubian
Marzena Plichta blond blue round s/p east baltic
Monika Raszeja d.blond brown round straight neo-danubian
Sandra Ropel brown brown square straight borreby
Kamila Stenzel brown grey round straight borreby
Anna Wojciechowskabrown brown long straight dinaric
Marcin Wroński blond blue square s/p neo-danubian

hairs n. %
blond 9 27%
d.blond 8 24%
light 17 52%
l.brown 2 6%
red/brown0 0%
brown 14 42%
dark 16 48%

eyes
blue 9 27%
grey 15 45%
green 1 3%
light 25 76%
brown 8 24%
dark 8 24%

face
long 6 18%
round 17 52%
square 10 30%

nose
straight 24 73%
plum 2 6%
straight/plum7 21%

race
boreby 5 15%
east baltic5 15%
fallish 7 21%
hallstadt 1 3%
neo-danubian9 27%
subnordic 3 9%
corded 1 3%
alpine 1 3%
dinaric 1 3%

types
pure blond16 48%
mix type 10 30%
dark 7 21%

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:06 AM
east baltics and nordics are not known for brown hair

brown hair comes from mediterraneans, dinarics and alpines



Polak :

I am sorry to have to say it but you sound a bit like a nordicist to me when you claim brownhaired Poles are Nordics and East-Baltic.

This is a nordicist view : trying to lump dark people into light categories when it comes to your own country

be objective please

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 10:34 AM
I really try to be objective. Please correct me if I will not be right,
next class IIIb le
http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIIble.doc

name hair eyes face nose race minor
Monika Bork d.blond blue round straight fallish
Anita Cybula brown brown round straight borreby subnordic
Edyta Formela d.blond grey round s/p neo-danubianfallish
Monika Groth l.brown blue square straight borreby borreby
Małgorzata Hirsz blond blue long straight fallish
Monika Jaskólska d.blond grey square s/p borreby fallish
Jarosław Klawikowski red blue long straight fallish
Beata Labuda d.blond blue round s/p fallish east baltic
Agnieszka Majewskablond blue round s/p fallish east baltic
Michalina Mądra brown grey square straight borreby
Beata Miler blond blue round straight fallish
Piotr Pakura brown grey long straight corded dinaric
Dariusz Płotka brown grey square straight borreby neo-danubian
Anna Rąbca blond grey round straight fallish neo-danubian
Renata Rybakowskad.blond grey square straight neo-danubianborreby
Barbara Malc brown-red blue round s/p east baltic neo-danubian
Agnieszka Cirocka brown grey round s/p east balticborreby
Anna Dobas d.blond grey round straight neo-danubian
Helena Galińska blond blue round straight fallish neo-danubian
Joanna Grzybowskabrown green square straight borreby subnordic
Sylwia Jancen blond blue round s/p fallish
Agnieszka Kalkowskad.blond grey long straight neo-danubian
Emilia Kraska brown grey square plum east baltic
Emilia Langa d.blond blue round straight fallish
Kinga Malinowska brown blue square straight borreby subnordic
Iwona Migowska blond grey square s/p borreby neo-danubian
Kinga Miler d.blond blue round s/p fallish
Anita Piór blond grey round s/p fallish east baltic
Agnieszka Potrackad.blond blue square straight fallish
Karolina Romska brown grey square straight borreby
Bartłomiej Zaborowskil.brown grey square straight borreby
Magdalena Bieńkowskabrown blue round s/p borreby


hairs n. %
blond 8 25%
d.blond 10 31%
red 1 3%
light 19 59%
l.brown 2 6%
red/brown1 3%
brown 10 31%
dark 13 41%
eyes
blue 15 47%
grey 15 47%
green 1 3%
light 31 97%
brown 1 3%
dark 1 3%
face
long 4 13%
round 16 50%
square 12 38%
nose
straight 20 63%
plum 1 3%
straight/plum11 34%
race
boreby 11 34%
east baltic3 9%
fallish 13 41%
hallstadt 0%
neo-danubian4 13%
subnordic 0%
corded 1 3%
alpine 0%
dinaric 0%
types
pure blond19 59%
mix type 12 38%
dark 1 3%

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 11:17 AM
cbvnm,


I am being objective.

There's nothing I'm saying that I can't back up with facts.

First of all, there are no such thing as Nordics or Alpines.

What you're trying to do is to oversimplify the real world, which won't work.

Basically...

The original Slavs were what most people would call Nordics.

This is a fact, because we know this from skeletal material and from ancient texts.

Are you going to dispute this?

Ever since that time, Poles have not changed much at all.

There has been a small infusion of foreign blood, but all studies on the Polish population point to the fact that we've kept our homogenity and Slavic roots.

Most of Poland is not as blond as Scandinavia, but then again, there are parts of Poland blonder than Scandinavia.

So the only thing that has really changed in Poland since the Iron Age are the AVERAGE head and face shapes (we're also now much taller than the original Nordics ever were). Why? No one really knows.

At the same time, Alpines as described by the old anthropologists are not common in Poland. The features that define an Alpine are not common.

East Baltics are not common either, except along the Baltic coast.

In fact, by your definition, either one can't exist in Poland because Poles are now on average over 178cm tall.

Most Poles fall into the Noric, sub-Nordic and Nordic of Danubian predominance categories (as defined by Coon). We also show many traits seen in Corded Nordics, like high heads and their broader noses.

To say Poland is Alpine because most Poles have brown hair is just rubbish. It's as if you've given up on knowing the facts and are trying to somehow explain what's going on to a bunch of little kids. Why???

Isn't the truth more interesting? I think so.

In my opinion, most Poles are just brachycephalized Slavs - and the Slavs were basically Nordics.

So you do what you will with that information.

I can back it up with archeological and genetic studies aplenty. What can you do to counter me? Say that some schmuck from the 1920s thought Alpines had brown hair?

Don't be ridiculous. Please.

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 11:32 AM
next class IIa le
http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIIale.doc

name hair eyes face nose race minor
Emilia Groth blond blue long straight fallish
Beata Elgert blond blue square straight fallish
Katarzyna Dylewskablond brown long straight neo-danubianfallish
Piotr Klajna blond blue round straight neo-danubianfallish
Elżbieta Jefimowicz blond blue round straight neo-danubian
Katarzyna Baranek brown brown round plum alpine
Alicja Riegel brown green round s/p alpine
Żaneta Ohs brown brown square s/p alpine subnordic
Edyta Formela brown grey round straight alpine borreby
Beata Czarnecka brown blue square straight borreby subnordic
Magdalena Gosz brown grey square straight borreby subnordic
Bartłomiej Arndt brown grey round straight neo-danubian
Radosław Kierznikiewiczbrowngreen square straight neo-danubianborreby
Ewelina Gniecka brown brown round s/p subnordic east baltic
Jolanta Spodzieja brown green square s/p subnordic neo-danubian
Agata Labuda brown brown square straight subnordic
Aleksandra Krause brown-red grey round straight borrebyfallish
Milena Malz d.blond grey round s/p east baltic
Renata Sylka d.blond grey round s/p fallish
Kornelia Formela d.blond blue square s/p fallish east baltic
Anna Kreft d.blond blue long straight fallish neo-danubian
Hanna Kreft d.blond blue square straight fallish east baltic
Magdalena Rybandtd.blond blue square straight fallish
Anita Zieman d.blond grey round s/p neo-danubian
Anita Zielińska d.blond grey round s/p neo-danubian
Marcin Żołnowski d.blond grey square s/p neo-danubian
Marzena Skoniecznad.blond grey round straight neo-danubian
Elżbieta Płotka l.brown blue square straight borreby
Anna Cyrocka l.brown brown square straight borreby east baltic
Katarzyna Wanke l.brown brown square straight borreby subnordic
Iwona Pobłocka l.brown blue round plum east baltic
Magdalena Kolka l.brown grey round s/p neo-danubian
Magdalena Langa l.brown grey round s/p neo-danubian
Marcin Michalak l.brown blue square straight neo-danubian
Jarosław Pipka red blue round straight fallish hallstadt

hairs n. %
blond 5 14%
d.blond 10 29%
red 1 3%
light 16 46%
l.brown 7 20%
red/brown1 3%
brown 11 31%
dark 19 54%
eyes
blue 13 37%
grey 12 34%
green 3 9%
light 28 80%
brown 7 20%
dark 7 20%

face
long 3 9%
round 17 49%
square 15 43%
nose 0%
straight 21 60%
plum 2 6%
straight/plum12 34%

race
boreby 6 17%
east baltic2 6%
fallish 8 23%
hallstadt 0%
neo-danubian12 34%
subnordic 3 9%
corded 0%
alpine 4 11%
dinaric 0%

types
pure blond15 43%
mix type 14 40%
dark 6 17%

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 11:38 AM
its all very simple, Polak :


nordic = blond, blue eyes, dolichocephalic

alpine = brown hair, brown eyes, brachycephalic

Poles = mostly brown hair (alpine), blue eyes (nordic), brachycephalic (alpine)

2 alpine characteristics and 1 nordic

this means Poles are not fully alpine or fully nordic

this means Poles are a mix of Alpine and Nordic with the alpine being more important than the Nordic

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 11:42 AM
Ok, I've had a browse through all those classes now and can make some OBJECTIVE comments.

There are Nordic types there, though Scandinavian Nordics (Halstatts) are very rare.

More common are Nordics of Corded or Danubian predominance. And most of them have light brown hair.

However, I don't think Nordics are more common here than in other parts of Poland. I think I see more on average in the big cities, like Poznan and Warsaw.

The blondest are the Falish types here, and there's a heap of them there. Much more than is average for Poland.

Also common are East Baltics. Again, these are more common than you would normally see in the rest of Poland.

Neo-Danubians are here as well, though not quite as many as one would expect. And most of them seem to be quite dark compared to the other types.

Alpinesand Dinarics crop up occasionally, but they seem to be rare. There is also a minority of brunet East Baltics that could even be of some kind of Uralic inspiration. I don't know what they are really.

Mediterraneans are not really represented, though I did see a couple of girls who did seem to be of gypsy origin.

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 11:48 AM
its all very simple, Polak :


nordic = blond, blue eyes, dolichocephalic

alpine = brown hair, brown eyes, brachycephalic

Poles = mostly brown hair (alpine), blue eyes (nordic), brachycephalic (alpine)

2 alpine characteristics and 1 nordic

this means Poles are not fully alpine or fully nordic

this means Poles are a mix of Alpine and Nordic with the alpine being more important than the Nordic


I think that's too simple and it doesn't reflect reality.

You can't break this down to simple maths.

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 12:54 PM
http://www.zszio.net2u.pl/uczniowie/IIble.doc

name hair eyes face nose race minor
Beata Bork blond blue square s/p fallish
Alicja Szur blond blue square straight fallish
Dorota Mielewczyk blond brown long straight neo-danubian
Monika Kusz blond grey round s/p east baltic
Piotr Resmarowski blond grey round straight neo-danubian
Marta Czaja brown brown round s/p alpine
Marcin Trepczyk brown brown round s/p alpine neo-danubian
Dominika Krause brown brown round s/p east baltic ladogan
Natalia Żołnowska brown green round s/p east baltic ladogan
Tomasz Wenta brown grey round straight neo-danubian
Aleksandra Dylewskabrown grey square straight neo-danubian
Sławomir Czoska brown grey square s/p subnordic borreby
Monika Garska brown grey square straight subnordic
Iwona Mathea d.blond blue round s/p east baltic
Emilia Wojowska d.blond blue long s/p fallish
Krystyna Plichta d.blond blue round straight fallish neo-danubian
Mieczysław Łobockid.blond blue round straight neo-danubian
Janusz Zieliński d.blond green round s/p east baltic neo-danubian
Diana Wiczling d.blond grey square straight boreby
Magdalena Karnat d.blond grey square s/p east balticfallish
Emilia Elgert d.blond grey round straight fallish east baltic
Renata Zaborowskal.brown brown round s/p alpine subnordic
Dariusz Konkol l.brown green square straight neo-danubian
Mariusz Skierka l.brown grey square straight boreby
Katarzyna Okuniewskal.browngrey round s/p east baltic
Magdalena Widrowskal.browngrey round straight neo-danubian
Marcin Dudzik l.brown grey square straight neo-danubiansubnordic


hair n. %
blond 5 19%
d.blond 8 30%
red 0 0%
light 13 48%
l.brown 6 22%
red/brown0 0%
brown 8 30%
dark 14 52%

eyes
blue 6 22%
grey 13 48%
green 3 11%
light 22 81%
brown 5 19%
dark 5 19%

face
long 2 7%
round 15 56%
square 10 37%
nose
straight 14 52%
plum 0 0%
straight/plum13 48%

race
boreby 2 7%
east baltic7 26%
fallish 5 19%
hallstadt 0%
neo-danubian8 30%
subnordic 2 7%
corded 0%
alpine 3 11%
dinaric 0%

types
pure blond12 44%
mix type 11 41%
dark 4 15%

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 01:24 PM
cumulated figures for 5 classes- 158 students are as follows
graph attached

hairs 158 100%
blond 30 19%
d.blond 50 32%
red 2 1%
light 82 52%
l.brown 19 12%
red/brown4 3%
brown 53 34%
dark 76 48%
eyes
blue 70 44%
grey 60 38%
green 9 6%
light 139 88%
brown 19 12%
dark 19 12%
face
long 21 13%
round 76 48%
square 61 39%
nose
straight 95 60%
plum 9 6%
straight/plum54 34%
race
boreby 35 22%
east baltic20 13%
fallish 40 25%
hallstadt 4 3%
neo-danubian36 23%
subnordic 15 9%
corded 1 1%
alpine 7 4%
dinaric 0 0%
types
pure blond78 49%
mix type 63 40%
dark 17 11%

Polak
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 01:34 PM
I saw more than one Corded there.

There were actually two guys who were so Corded that they looked like freaks.

And a few others who had most of the Corded features.

norda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 01:55 PM
I have taken only 5 classes into acount, so u may be right. I will try to clasify more of them in future.
pozdrawiam

I saw more than one Corded there.

There were actually two guys who were so Corded that they looked like freaks.

And a few others who had most of the Corded features.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 06:54 PM
east baltics and nordics are not known for brown hair

brown hair comes from mediterraneans, dinarics and alpines


You should stick to posting on Stormfront. Many members there would agree with you. We have a higher level of understanding than you demonstrate. You are like a 3 year old who is only capable of distinguishing colors.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:14 PM
I am not a racist. I hate racism, thats why I dont belong on the Stormfront website.

Cosmocreator in fact you are the known that mistakes everything. You claim Europeans can be put in different subraces by looking at different skull types. This is ofcourse incorrect and laughable.

Skull types dont have much to do with race. This is an outdated view from the 3th Reich in WW2. You clearly sound like a nazi with your skull definitions.

The most important factor in dividing Europeans is hair and eye colour.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:36 PM
I am not a racist. I hate racism, thats why I dont belong on the Stormfront website.

Cosmocreator in fact you are the known that mistakes everything. You claim Europeans can be put in different subraces by looking at different skull types. This is ofcourse incorrect and laughable.

Skull types dont have much to do with race. This is an outdated view from the 3th Reich in WW2. You clearly sound like a nazi with your skull definitions.

The most important factor in dividing Europeans is hair and eye colour.

You have your opinions, fine.We all do not have to agree with you and you will not change other people's minds here that easily. You clearly sound uneducated about anthropology.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:43 PM
``You have your opinions, fine.We all do not have to agree with you and you will not change other people's minds here that easily. You clearly sound uneducated about anthropology.``

Yes I have a different opinion then many people on this forum, but I respect other people`s views too. I have a big knowledge about European populations and anthropology systems and my opinion is that skull measurements are a bad indicator when it comes to subraces.

I often get insulted by people like Cosmocreator and Stribog because they dont have the intellectual capability of debating and therefore refer to personal insults.

I stand above that.

Pomor
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:50 PM
``You have your opinions, fine.We all do not have to agree with you and you will not change other people's minds here that easily. You clearly sound uneducated about anthropology.``

Yes I have a different opinion then many people on this forum, but I respect other people`s views too. I have a big knowledge about European populations and anthropology systems and my opinion is that skull measurements are a bad indicator when it comes to subraces.

I often get insulted by people like Cosmocreator and Stribog because they dont have the intellectual capability of debating and therefore refer to personal insults.

I stand above that.

I think that usually people are getting pissed at you because you don't seem to be knowledgable enough and at the same time you are saying things with such a confidence like if you were an anthropology professor somewhere from Cambridge.

cbvnm
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:58 PM
Another remarkable difference is that a lot of people on this forum are nordicists and try to lump their own Country in the nordic category while the populations of their country is far from a nordic one. They feel the need to fit in the nordic description of Hitler`s ``super Ubermenschen`` race. This leads to subjective incorrect racial statements.

I dont feel this need to fit within Hitler`s ideal race because I dont have nordicist or nazi views. Therefore I can claim my opinion is more objective/reliable than the majority of the people on this forum.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 07:58 PM
I am not a racist. I hate racism, thats why I dont belong on the Stormfront website.


Yet, here you are discussing race in simplistic terms. Your anti-racism is showing through.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:01 PM
Yes I have a different opinion then many people on this forum, but I respect other people`s views too. I have a big knowledge about European populations and anthropology systems and my opinion is that skull measurements are a bad indicator when it comes to subraces.


Raw measurements don't mean much by themselves. Measurements are only indicative as relative to each other.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, September 30th, 2003, 08:06 PM
Another remarkable difference is that a lot of people on this forum are nordicists and try to lump their own Country in the nordic category while the populations of their country is far from a nordic one. They feel the need to fit in the nordic description of Hitler`s ``super Ubermenschen`` race. This leads to subjective incorrect racial statements.

I dont feel this need to fit within Hitler`s ideal race because I dont have nordicist or nazi views. Therefore I can claim my opinion is more objective/reliable than the majority of the people on this forum.

Oh boy :doh, I totally disgree with you on that one.This is not a 'nordicist' forum and if you think it is then feel free to leave, you are not 'handcuffed' to this
forum.

Adieu.

Evolved
Wednesday, October 1st, 2003, 06:58 AM
I count :
21 brownhaired students
3 redhaired student
5 blondhaired students
nordics (amount : 8) are only a minority among these students

Brown haired people can be Nordic. I don't think you should go around classifying other people until you understand that. I'm seriously doubting your "big knowledge about European populations and anthropology systems."