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norda
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 11:08 AM
Huge source of pictures here. http://www.russianladies.com/
Note that the religion is almost exclusively Orthodox so most of them are Russian, Byelorussian or Ukrainians no matter which country you chose.
Many girls look quite good but there is also strong impression of Asiatic or Uralic influence. There is something strange in eyes and facial features in many faces.

Loki
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 11:47 AM
Olga here is arguably predominantly of Nordic stock, and quite attractive to my eyes:

http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016941-l.jpg

http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016941-a1.jpg

I think it is a shame that these good and strong women are selling themselves to any man who has money -- regardless of race or background. The Ukraine needs to get off the ground economically, so their citizens can make a living for themselves, rather than emigrate.

Loki
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 11:56 AM
After searching through those pages, I have to conclude that maybe only around 20% of these ladies can be considered "Nordish", or an approximation thereof. Maybe the most Nordish women in Ukraine/Russia/Belarus are not appearing on these sites.. I wouldn't know.

norda
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 11:59 AM
Olga here is arguably predominantly of Nordic stock, and quite attractive to my eyes:

http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016941-l.jpg

http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016941-a1.jpg

I think it is a shame that these good and strong women are selling themselves to any man who has money -- regardless of race or background. The Ukraine needs to get off the ground economically, so their citizens can make a living for themselves, rather than emigrate.

I have the same feeling. It is very sad.

norda
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 02:16 PM
Just to contrast some more familiar (for me) faces of average Polish girls, both blond and brunet.

Polak
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 03:12 PM
I don't mind Anya...or rather, I don't mind her legs.

Pomor
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Well first of all not all of them are slavic, even though they can have slavic sounding names. For example this Diana from Minsk :
http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016891-l.jpg

If someone called her Belarussian he would be simply laughed at. There are simply no Belarussians looking like her. Girls with names like Gulnara or Dinara are either tatar or bashkir. I cant actually see a lot of really nordic girls either. Maybe the guy compiling this site just has a poor taste, I dont know. Today I'm gonna find that site I've seen with real Russian and Belarussian girls.

Here are some Russian girs fitting my taste:

Loki
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 03:49 PM
Well first of all not all of them are slavic, even though they can have slavic sounding names. For example this Diana from Minsk :
http://www.russianladies.com/Photos/72016/72016891-l.jpg



Hehe... seems like she comes straight from Ulaan Bataar... ;)

Pomor
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 04:31 PM
Looks like the site belarusianbeauty.com is no longer available, but I'll find some other one.

Here is one Belarussian girl for you
http://www.belarus.net/Belarus/Population/girl.jpg

cosmocreator
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 07:34 PM
Olga here is arguably predominantly of Nordic stock, and quite attractive to my eyes:


I'm thinking more of a Neo-Danubian.

Scáthach
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 08:49 PM
No 6 IS my sister, lol - she looks IDENTICAL to her!

Ramses
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 09:27 PM
wow thanks for posting the link, many were really fine-looking ladies :P

/DK M

cosmocreator
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 09:49 PM
No 6 IS my sister, lol - she looks IDENTICAL to her!

Would you post a link? I don't know who you are talking about.

Scáthach
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 10:00 PM
Would you post a link? I don't know who you are talking about.

This girl, nearly identical in terms of facial structure and skin tone, hair colour etc.My sisters hair is naturally straight though,she has green eyes and shes a shorty :D

cosmocreator
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 10:12 PM
This girl, nearly identical in terms of facial structure and skin tone, hair colour etc.My sisters hair is naturally straight though,she has green eyes and shes a shorty :D

You must have a beautiful family if you and your sister are any indication.

Scáthach
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Thank you :)
I think we must be quite a mix - there's me, 5'8 reddy/brown hair and green eyes, my slighter older sister who looks like the girl above , my naturally blonde green eyed sister and my other sister who has dark hair and bright blue eyes - only the blonde tans and only me and my dark haired sister are over 5'5 :D

I may try get some pics at the next family gathering, i'd be interested to see how they were classified.

Prodigal Son
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 02:07 AM
First of all, that’s absolutely inaccurate. Most of the ethnicities that inhabit Russia consider themselves ‘Orthodox’. Armenians are Orthodox. Georgians are Orthodox. Mordvins are Orthodox. Karelians, who are racially half-way between Finns proper and Lapps, consider themselves Orthodox. Udmurts and Western Tatars, both of whom are approximately 20% Mongoloid, are orthodox. Even the Yakuts, a predominantly Mongoloid, Trukic=speaking people, are Orthodox. Ethnic Russians can usually be identified by the name, first and last (most of the Turkics and Finns who live in Russia have adopted Russian first names), but even this is not a foolproof way to identify them, because many of the Turkic peoples living in Siberia, the Yakuts for example, have adopted Russian first and last names. The best way to identify Russians, is of course, by looks. Russians tend to be tall, light-skinned, broad faced and slightly flat-faced, brown-haired with a strong tendency towards blond hair, and very light-eyed. Minorities are usually heavily overpresented in various mail-order brides catalogs because minorities are poorer than ethnic Russians, and because American men, and to a lesser extent other Western men, have a sexual appetite for Mongoloids and Hapas. Russian modeling agencies are a far safer bet when one wants to find ethnic Russians.

Here are some ethnic Russian models.

More can be found here:



To get a more balanced look at Russian phenotypes, one needs to see large crowds of ethnic Russians. For example, here are some crowds from Perm. Keep in mind that this is in the extreme Northeast of Russia (Uralic influence decreases from Northeast to Southwest), so these Russians are as Mongoloid as they get. In any case, the most Uralic-people in this crowd are Zyrians, Tatars, or Udmurts.

http://www.designet.ru/images-2002/c-kapitonov-03.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/150602_kirilenko.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/150602_cs.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/150602_maximum.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/160602.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/160602_pemos.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/140602_nshirt.jpg

great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/140602_starwar.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/140602_table.jpg

http://www.ural-great.ru/season2001/common/reebok3x3/160602_marat.jpg
(The player is an Uzbek).

Using pictures from some mail-order bride site, carefully selected for Mongoloidism, and then claiming that these pictures somehow give an authentic representation of phenotypes found among ethnic Russians is incredibly asinine. I can just as well go to ‘interracial.com’, pull a couple of pictures off of there and make the proclamation ‘this is what Americans look like’. :rolleyes:

Russia is a vast country, inhabited by more than a hundred different various ethnic groups, which come in a myriad of racial types, from Nordid Russians, to red-haired ‘Borreby’ Udmurts, to sub-Uralic Karelians. Not everyone from Russia is a Russian; not everyone who claims to be Russian is a Russian (the ‘Russians’ of Brighton Beach come to mind), and course, not everyone who claims to be Orthodox, or is Orthodox is Russian. And of course, suggesting that every slut who claims to be an ‘Orthodox Christian’ and happens to be featured on some two-bit mail-order catalog is a Russian is utterly idiotic.

Russians, are of course, the most racially and culturally European of all the ethnic groups in Russia. If someone who looks more Mongoloid than a typical East-Baltic claims to be an ethnic Russian, that person is either lying, or a part-Russian part-something else mongrel who desperately wishes to be accepted as Russian (the ¼ Jewish, ¼ Kalmyck, ¼ German ‘Russian’ by the name of Vladimir Lenin comes to mind).

As for Ukrainians, they are considerably darker than Russians. In fact, the racial relationship between Russia and the Ukraine is analagous to that between Germany and France - I would say that about 30% of Ukrainians qualify as Nordish, versus ~80% ethnic Russians.

Polak
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 03:11 AM
Henry Ford,

Good post. I agree with you.

I know some families in Poland where the women married ethnic Russian Army officers after WWII. They settled in Poland after that and spawned some extreme Nordid children and grandchildren.

But I would like your opinion on this type, which I frequently see in ethnic Russians in varying degrees (see attachments).

The first guy is almost a pure type, while the second guy shows strong Nordid tendencies as well.

Is this Coon's Ladogan or some other eastern European UP? To me, it's a very exotic look, and not often seen in Poland.

The main features are heavy brow ridges, a small plump nose, deep set eyes, round face, though not necessarily a round head, high cheekbones, and fairly brunet pigmentation.

The Russian volleyball team has a couple of members with similar looks as well.

http://www.fivb.ch/Photos/VB/Gallery/MenWorldChampionship2002/Teams/HighRes/RUS-Team.jpg


Where does it comes from? How would you classify it?

Regards

Evolved
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 04:13 AM
Really you can't see much more than pigmentation and blurry skull shapes in crowds pictures. I must have seen these crowds pictures 40 million times. :D

Prodigal Son
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 04:26 AM
Really you can't see much more than pigmentation and blurry skull shapes in crowds pictures.

If you can't tell a Mongoloid crowd from a Europid one, you need help with your vision. Maybe it's all the Magyar ancestry making your eyes squinty :P :P

Stríbog
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 05:27 AM
To me, the most 'Russian-looking' Russians are Battle Axe, Danubian or East Baltic. :) I'm really sick of people ignorant of Eastern European anthropology talking about how 'Slavs are all semi-mongoloid.' I don't equate 'Nordic' with Germanic; many Germanics are Nordic, many are not, just as many Slavs are Nordic and many are not.

Stríbog
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 05:34 AM
These are some Russian/Ukrainian models that clearly capture the 'Slavic beauty' ideal, in my opinion. :)

Victoria Zdrok

http://www.tvwebnetwork.com/html_appeal/octbio/vicgalleries63.JPG

http://www.vividere.com/glam040800/victoriazdrok.jpg

Stríbog
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 05:42 AM
Irina Voronina:

http://crt.free.fr/archives/IVoronina/00.jpg

http://www.adranoonline.it/public/bellezze/assets/tn_Voronina25Irina0000.jpg

Stríbog
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 06:19 AM
Anka Romensky:

torrent
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 09:46 AM
Russians, are of course, the most racially and culturally European of all the ethnic groups in Russia. If someone who looks more Mongoloid than a typical East-Baltic claims to be an ethnic Russian, that person is either lying, or a part-Russian part-something else mongrel who desperately wishes to be accepted as Russian (the ¼ Jewish, ¼ Kalmyck, ¼ German ‘Russian’ by the name of Vladimir Lenin comes to mind).

As for Ukrainians, they are considerably darker than Russians. In fact, the racial relationship between Russia and the Ukraine is analagous to that between Germany and France - I would say that about 30% of Ukrainians qualify as Nordish, versus ~80% ethnic Russians..

hello henry ford,
i would like to ask you what an east baltic is, and would you supply us photos of east baltics as you seem to really know what is an east baltic.
http://www.volley.ru/ru/teams/team2.asp,
best regards

Polak
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 03:16 PM
hello henry ford,
i would like to ask you what an east baltic is, and would you supply us photos of east baltics as you seem to really know what is an east baltic.
http://www.volley.ru/ru/teams/team2.asp,
best regards


Some of those girls on that team don't look East Baltic, they actually look Uralic. This may have something to do with the fact that they come from the Urals, because they do.

Loki
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 03:20 PM
These ladies look like cheap sluts if you ask me. I don't find them attractive at all.

Pomor
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 03:51 PM
I think that it is a waste of time trying to judge a country's racial make-up by the photos of famous models or actresses or whatever.
Here are some kids from an elite Moscow gymnasium, probably you've seen this pic before. I couldnt find any pics with grown-ups unfortunately.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=2961

Here is a pic with kids from an average high-school in Siberia.

Pomor
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 03:58 PM
Russia is a vast country, inhabited by more than a hundred different various ethnic groups, which come in a myriad of racial types, from Nordid Russians, to red-haired ‘Borreby’ Udmurts, to sub-Uralic Karelians. Not everyone from Russia is a Russian;


Can you tell more about those red-haired 'Borreby' udmurts? How are the related to the ones in Denmark or Norway, for example? I remember I used to have Udmurt neighbours, all their kids were red-haired with millions of freckles. I am especially interested because I am a red-haired Borreby type myself, but I am Russian.

torrent
Sunday, September 28th, 2003, 09:25 PM
Some of those girls on that team don't look East Baltic, they actually look Uralic. This may have something to do with the fact that they come from the Urals, because they do.
hello Polak,
i am really impressed for it seems you can speak russian?
btw how do we know that your HG3 does not refer to east baltics (that would make Lundman right) or kurganids (the lady whom you classified as almost elamodravidic). what do we do, we search the icelandic population for kurganids or east baltics to try this hypothesis. another btw please show me what an east baltic is for i would like to define what we are looking for and please try to be less projective
best regards

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 05:16 PM
Can you tell more about those red-haired 'Borreby' udmurts? How are the related to the ones in Denmark or Norway, for example? I remember I used to have Udmurt neighbours, all their kids were red-haired with millions of freckles. I am especially interested because I am a red-haired Borreby type myself, but I am Russian.

Permian Finns (Udmurts, Komis, etc...) are the reddest-haired people in the world. I don't know how, if it all, they're related to NW Europeans, but I've posted pictures of them, and people classified them as Borrebies. Also, unlike NW Europeans, Udmurts and Komis have strong Uralic admixture.

Loki
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 05:18 PM
Permian Finns (Udmurts, Komis, etc...) are the reddest-haired people in the world.

More so than Scots and Irish?

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 05:26 PM
More so than Scots and Irish?


From what I can gather, yes. You know what, I'll start a new thread on them.

Prodigal Son
Monday, September 29th, 2003, 06:06 PM
Some of those girls on that team don't look East Baltic, they actually look Uralic. This may have something to do with the fact that they come from the Urals, because they do.

Actually, they come from Ekaterinburg, all the way in Siberia, and half of them are Ugro-Finns. I think the men's team is a far better inventory of Russian phenotypes.

http://www.volley.ru/ru/teams/team1.asp