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cosmocreator
Monday, September 22nd, 2003, 11:55 PM
Yesterday morning I found a wallet on the street. It had $540 in it. There was also business cards, medical card and other ID. It belonged to a foot surgeon. Knowing the neighborhood and street where he lived from the ID, I knew he was quite wealthy. $540 was probably like a half day's pay and I doubt he'd miss it. I considered:

1. Deliver the wallet to him in person with everything in it including the money
2. Keep the money and drop off the wallet on the front step late at night
3. Keep the money and throw the wallet back where I found it.

What would you do with it?

Gladstone
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 12:01 AM
#1

Give the wallet back in person and expect nothing in return.

If he wants to give a reward for returning it say "no". If he insist, sure:).

Gladstone
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 12:36 AM
Throw the wallet with money, cards and whatever else was in it into his post box or through his door slot, or, in absence of these facilities, put it in front of his door, ring and disappear (still making sure, he is at home and picks it up), or send it with secure, registered mail.

Important is to make it impossible for him to feel obliged to you. You can include a card with your name and "Kind regards", though.

Remember that what comes around, goes around.
That's a better answer than what I'd initially offered up Njord. The best giving is anonymously and in the sense of the wallet it is not really even giving, it is simply returning what is rightfully someone elses.

Doing the appropriate thing is plenty of a reward in and of itself. Having a clear consciouse and the freedom that comes with it is worth more than anything.

Gladstone

Ewergrin
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 12:46 AM
I defintiely say return it promptly, as in tact as you found it. Sending it via registered mail is a great idea, and as Njord said, leave a card or something so that he knows who saved him from the imminient headaches that ome with losing a wallet. Chanes are, the cash is the least of his worries, when he realized that the wallet was missing, and he will be much more grateful to have his idenity and credit cards returned than the cash. As a result of this, he may offer to give you whatever cash he had, or a substantial portion, or even twice that much.

But really, just returning the wallet to him with everything in it should be reward enough. What goes around comes around.

Triglav
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 01:07 AM
Agreeing completely with what has been said by the others, you might consider giving the money to charity if you deem the owner of the wallet a dishonest person (e.g. a mafia member :) ) and the money you found would directly harm other people. However, such judgement is highly emotionally coloured and thus hardly ever suitable, even more so since the owner could decide to do that himself.

I would resort to such a decision only in very exceptional situations myself and I hardly believe this is the case with you now, as you made no specific mention of it.

Just show him that you're an honest person and go home with a fulfilling smile.

Triglav
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 01:32 AM
The answer is actually quite easy: "Do what you would like others to do, if you had lost the wallet."

On the other hand, if you want to play Santa :santa, I can always need some cash. Want my account #? :jk

- Thorburn

Exactly, Jesus :jk. Yet, and I trust we know that, do not do it from a personal point of view but rather to make other people happy and the world you live in a brighter place. :angel

Evolved
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 01:35 AM
I'll be honest and say, I would have kept it. I need it more than he does. $540 is chump change for a foot surgeon, whereas I could live off of that money for a few months. Finders keepers, losers weepers. :dfu

Triglav
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 01:56 AM
I'll be honest and say, I would have kept it. I need it more than he does. $540 is chump change for a foot surgeon, whereas I could live off of that money for a few months. Finders keepers, losers weepers. :dfu

I could, too, but I have managed to eke out a living so far and so it can continue. Living with a clear conscience, on the other hand, lasts a lifetime and I can personally rejoice in such actions. Giving it righteously to someone who has enough of it is an additional challenge and it only confirms my decision.

Don't get me wrong, Ladygoeth, I admire your honesty and respect your decision.

Nordhammer
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 02:05 AM
I'll be honest and say, I would have kept it. I need it more than he does. $540 is chump change for a foot surgeon, whereas I could live off of that money for a few months. Finders keepers, losers weepers. :dfu

You should at least return the wallet with all the cards and ID in it. Those things are timeconsuming to replace. :)

Now... what if he were a Jew who you knew actively worked against our race? :)

In general I would do number 1, I like to meet the person whose wallet I found. I mean, I don't believe in mere coincidence, I think many times there may be greater reasons why things like that happen and people meet. So maybe you should meet the guy for some reason? I also like people to know who has helped them, face to face, and maybe they may be able to return a favor in the future.

Evolved
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 02:11 AM
I'm sorry I'm not a Noble Aryan who always does the perfect moral thing. :angel

What's this guy going to do with $540? Pay for his BMW? Pay for some filipina escort service to pleasure him? I would use part of this money to buy coffee and donuts for homeless people. :donut3 :coffee

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 02:17 AM
Interesting responses. LG, most people are like you. Everyone I've asked in person, what they'd do, said they'd keep the money. Except my mom who said I should call them immediately and return all the money.

If a jew would have found that money, I'm sure they wouldn't have returned the money unless it belonged to another jew. In fact, the person's race helped me in my decision. He is an Anglo-Saxon. If he would have been non-European, I wouldn't have returned the money. Yes, I did return everything including the money. I didn't do it in person. I called the number on his business card and talked to his wife. The dr. was out at the time. I said I'd drop around after work, 10pm, but she wanted to come pick it up so I agreed. She was amazed that all the money was in it. She said she watched a TV programed that asked what people would do, and 85% said they'd keep the money. She pulled a $100 bill out of the wallet and said "This is for you."

However, I'm also thinking ahead. I will need investors for my film projects. Surgeons have a lot of money to invest. When the time comes, I'm going to invite wealthy people together in a banquest hall to pitch my film idea. They will talk amongst themselves and hopefully word will get around of my integrity from this one surgeon. Before anyone jumps to conclusions of my schemes, these film projects are totally legitimate and I hope to make money from them for these investors.

Triglav
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 02:33 AM
Thanks for providing us with the interesting statistical data, cosmocreator. :)

A friend of mine once found a wallet without any documents. He asked a relative of his who works in a bank what they would do with the money if he turned it in and he said that it would probably end up nowhere.

The owner was most likely a foreign worker who lost it at a building site, so my friend decided to keep it and buy a car (it was around 1700 US dollars). I'd probably keep that money too, but I'd spend it differently.




Interesting responses. LG, most people are like you. Everyone I've asked in person, what they'd do, said they'd keep the money. Except my mom who said I should call them immediately and return all the money.

If a jew would have found that money, I'm sure they wouldn't have returned the money unless it belonged to another jew. In fact, the person's race helped me in my decision. He is an Anglo-Saxon. If he would have been non-European, I wouldn't have returned the money. Yes, I did return everything including the money. I didn't do it in person. I called the number on his business card and talked to his wife. The dr. was out at the time. I said I'd drop around after work, 10pm, but she wanted to come pick it up so I agreed. She was amazed that all the money was in it. She said she watched a TV programed that asked what people would do, and 85% said they'd keep the money. She pulled a $100 bill out of the wallet and said "This is for you."

Tore
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 03:01 AM
Personally, I would return the wallet, with the rightful owners current economic situation not considered in the process.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 04:44 AM
Once when I was 13 someone left a wallet by a slurpee machine and my friend and I grabbed it and ran away giggling. It was empty, and obviously the wallet of another 13 year-old LOL

I would return the wallet in person with the total amount of money still in it, and I'm glad that you did Ger!! It is kind of nice to see the result of doing something kind....occasionally :dwink Hey, remember how many years of school doctors go through! A lot of that dedication comes from wanting to live more than comfortably and being able to consider 500 clams as "chump change"!

I don't believe that what goes around comes around. I think that the more good things you do, that chance still rules. Though maybe there is some subconscious human collective thought that would make us more likely to do good deeds when someone does them for us, but I think that would take a lot of people doing the little nice things for a looong time before it began to happen on a large enough scale to matter.

I can just see myself finding a wallet, returning it, and the next day losing mine and some huffer finds it :doh

Sentinel
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 04:48 AM
I'd return it to him with the admonition that Not all people are as Honest as I am.. :)

Nordhammer
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 06:08 AM
In the case of being unable to prove ownership, you should keep it I think. I once walked into a store, and there was $20 laying on the floor, so I reached down and picked it up. Now, who would I return it to and how would I know it was theirs? I could bring it to the desk, but then that person may keep it. I was younger too, so I just kept it. LOL If I know who dropped it then I return it promptly.

Studies also show that Negroes are much more likely to keep the money in that situation, and situations like when you are given too much money back from a purchase. "I gotz minez!" "If he/she was stupid enough to give me mo money, that's his/her problem! Know what I'm sayin?" This is the typical greedy, opportunistic, criminal mindset. No sense of justice or empathy, just take whatever you can. LOOT! LOOT! LOOT!

As Thorburn said, the "golden rule" of doing to others as you would have them do to you is what we should do. But then again, as I mentioned, the Negro mentality thinks they should be victims. :D

Jack
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 07:10 AM
I would've given it back personally, with everything inside it, exactly how I found it.

Evolved
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 08:31 AM
If it were more than $500? If you found, for instance, a million dollars with someone's name on it? Give me a break. I would definitely take it. If someone is that stupid and careless, it's a lesson for them to lose it. :hrm

I also have no sympathy for people taken in by con artists! If you're that stupid and careless, it will be a lesson.

Ok, we've established that I'm an evil, heartless, looting Negroid Jew Turk lover. I also threw babies overboard the Titanic. :ftitanic:

cosmocreator
Tuesday, September 23rd, 2003, 07:16 PM
Ok, we've established that I'm an evil, heartless, looting Negroid Jew Turk lover. I also threw babies overboard the Titanic. :ftitanic:


It's good that you've finally admitted it. :dwink :lol

Now if I found $30 million that belonged to Bill Gates, would I return it? Actually I would. Then I'd try to get him to invest in some films where I could make my own $100 million.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, September 24th, 2003, 12:32 AM
I also have no sympathy for people taken in by con artists! If you're that stupid and careless, it will be a lesson.
:

Me neither. A lot of scams are pretty easy to figure out. As for the good scams, well...maybe intelligent criminals deserve that money LOL. If I fell for one I would just feel stupid. Some people give money away to lazy panhandlers that overtime adds up to a lot :P

You should see "Matchstick Men". It's about con-artists and stars Nick Cage and Sam Rockwell. It's amazing!

Ewergrin
Wednesday, September 24th, 2003, 12:33 AM
Ok, we've established that I'm an evil, heartless, looting Negroid Jew Turk lover. I also threw babies overboard the Titanic. :ftitanic:


Lets not forget that whole Lindbergh baby fiasco...

cosmocreator
Wednesday, September 24th, 2003, 12:42 AM
Some people give money away to lazy panhandlers that overtime adds up to a lot :P

For sure it does. And some of these guys know what they're doing. They dress in rags deliberately to gain sympathy. They eat at churches so they don't spend any money on food, live on the street, so they don't pay rent. They don't really spend money on anything.

You should see "Matchstick Men". It's about con-artists and stars Nick Cage and Sam Rockwell. It's amazing!

I was thinking about going to see it tonight.

Greeneyeddevil63
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 03:14 AM
[QUOTE=cosmocreator]If a jew would have found that money, I'm sure they wouldn't have returned the money unless it belonged to another jew.


tell me more about this jewish aspect. I have not much experience with them as they are quite hidden in southern U.S.

I notice a lot of jewish dentists and things like that...

how did you arrive to the conclusion that the jew wouldn't return it unless it were the money of another jew.

I'm not disputing what you're saying, in fact, I feel that you're undoubtedly right... I'm only trying to understand why I feel that way. It's like... white people are out of the loop with jews and in fact, jews detest all the other races except for other jews, yet, they slide in amongst white people long enough to come off white and do business... usually the nose or last name gives it away here, but there are many hidden jews.

However, I certainly think that there are jews out there who would return the money...

that doesn't matter to me as much as identifying this inside thing the jews have going one with another, even more so than whites do. Should white people trade only with other white people??? Should white people also develop an inside thing like the jews have? I hope I'm making sense, but i find it hard to understand something so perplexing...

let me give you an example


I had a dentist (half jew/ half irish) refer me to another jew for braces who in turn referred me to another jew for oral surgery. I was only fifteen, so i didn't have anyway of knowing that i was getting taken for a ride... my parents are not racially unconscious, they're just dumb and don't know when a bunch of jews have their fangs in them... anyway... we got ripped for about 10,000 U.S. dollars by the time we were through with them.

I think white people should band together in business this way and especially put it back to the jews. Now, would you say that the dentist thing is an isolated incident and I shouldn't be suspicious of jews in business... or would you say that I've figured some shit out about that race and a white man had better watch his wallet around a jew?

Here again, like with the other issue they had going... people are going to accuse me of being racist against jews, but here's what I'm saying... you better watch your wallet around jews. Personal experience. For that matter they won't steal from you the way negroes will, but they'll certainly con you out of your money.

True or False?

Evolved
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 04:46 AM
If a jew would have found that money, I'm sure they wouldn't have returned the money unless it belonged to another jew...If he would have been non-European, I wouldn't have returned the money.

So you admitted to feeling the same way as a jew in that situation. ;)

If I had found the wallet of a Nigerian doctor with some ooga booga name I wouldn't even think twice about taking the money for myself and giving the credit cards to anonymous hookers and/or crackheads. :lol

Evolved
Friday, September 26th, 2003, 05:09 AM
tell me more about this jewish aspect. I have not much experience with them as they are quite hidden in southern U.S.

I notice a lot of jewish dentists and things like that...

how did you arrive to the conclusion that the jew wouldn't return it unless it were the money of another jew.

You and I are very fortunate, there is also a dearth of Israelites in my location (the most Jewish city in Michigan happens to be Southfield some 20 or so miles away and also home to a large Arab population). However I've spent brief periods of time in both Jew York and Judapest and can attest that their behaviors, speech and mannerisms are very different from the average "white" person.

If you want to familiarize yourself with Jewish morality and interHebraic relations, read from the Talmud (http://www.truthbeknown.com/talmudquotes.htm) which is their law book. I do not know of a site which offers the full Talmud in English translation (probably withheld from the net with good reason), but you can borrow it from the public library like I did. :read

[Note: I don't care about the rest of this site, nor did I even look at it. I just scrolled down to "Talmudic Quotes."]

Judaism is much different from Christianity. Judaism is not just a spirituality but an entire way of life. The are constantly adjusting the way they interact with Jews and non-Jews, as their code of law tells them to do. It's sometimes subtle, but they are conscious of themselves and others moreso than any other people.

htcibekik
Saturday, September 27th, 2003, 08:52 PM
i would throw the wallet into the sea! imagine if you were in a shop, bought something with it, and the person you bought from was a JEW!!

IMAGINE A JEW HAVING YOUR MONEY!!!!!!!

how terrible would that be!

you shoudl throw the money away instantly. don't give it back to the dentist! imagine if the dentist is black? or jewish? you dont want to do anyone like that any favours!!!

go to the nearest sea or river and throw the whole thing in it!!!

dont be temped to keep the wallet itself imagine if one of those pesky black muggers nicks it off you and sells it on at a profit!!

that would be awful!

amethyst
Monday, October 6th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Return the wallet no matter who the owner is. It would hurt you and those around you to take things which don't belong to you.
Last week, I cashed a check and I discovered an hour later that the teller gave me $100 more by mistake. I drove to the bank and returned it. Her till was $100 short and they were very happy I returned it. She probably would have gotten in trouble and maybe also had her paycheck debited $100.