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Pomor
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 10:58 AM
Classify Karelin - Russian wrestler.
He is 6'4" and 300 lb.

Pomor
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 06:37 PM
Anyone? :alcohol

Prodigal Son
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 06:43 PM
Anyone? :alcohol

West-Baltic.

Pomor
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 06:45 PM
West-Baltic.

Aren't West Baltics more gracile? Just look at his brow-ridges.

Prodigal Son
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 06:47 PM
Aren't West Baltics more gracile? Just look at his brow-ridges.

East-Baltics are gracile (due to the Lappinoid element), West Baltics are rugged and robust. Heavy brow-ridges and a general ruggedness are actually some distinguishing characteristics of the West Baltic type.

Johnny Reb
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 07:18 PM
What is West Baltic?

Prodigal Son
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 07:22 PM
What is West Baltic?

A blonde, rugged mesocephalic type, common in Scandinavia and the Western Baltic area. For the most part, it is equivalent to Coon's 'Borreby' type, but Russian anthropologists, unlike Coon, believe that there is a strong relationship between this race and the Nordid, which is why they usually group both together into the 'Atlanto-Baltic race'.

Ivan Demidov is a typical West Baltic:
http://old.echo.msk.ru/abr/photos/demidov.jpg

Vojvoda
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 07:31 PM
A blonde, rugged mesocephalic type, common in Scandinavia and the Western Baltic area. For the most part, it is equivalent to Coon's 'Borreby' type, but Russian anthropologists, unlike Coon, believe that there is a strong relationship between this race and the Nordid, which is why they usually group both together into the 'Atlanto-Baltic race'.

Ivan Demidov is a typical West Baltic:
http://old.echo.msk.ru/abr/photos/demidov.jpg

I don't really see a difference between Borrebys and Baltids(except for uralic admixture in some, as you had specifed) Both have broad, high foreheads, brechycephalic-mesocephalic etc.

Prodigal Son
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 08:17 PM
I don't really see a difference between Borrebys and Baltids(except for uralic admixture in some, as you had specifed) Both have broad, high foreheads, brechycephalic-mesocephalic etc.

As I said, West-Baltic and Borreby are essentially the same type. East-Baltic is West-Baltic with Lappinoid or proto-Lappinoid admixture. The only difference is, Russian anthropologists believe West Baltics and Scandinavian Nordics to be very closely related (two sub-types of the same sub-race), whereas Coon saw them as descending from completely different stock.

Allenson
Wednesday, October 15th, 2003, 08:53 PM
I've certainly heard mention before of the notion that Scandinavian Nordics and the UPs (Brunns, Borreby/W. Baltids being of the same orginal stock. I'm inclined to believe this myself and I certainly agree with the Borreby/W. Baltic types being virtually the same thing.

Eendracht, can you recommend any sources that deal with the Nordic/UP link? They're probably all in Russian though, eh?

Awar
Thursday, October 16th, 2003, 01:02 AM
Damn! This man's head looks exactly like a friend of mine.
I wanted to post his picture, because he has an interesting head, but now I don't need to.

My friend has blonde hair, brown eyes and a very pale complexion.

The Blond Beast
Thursday, October 16th, 2003, 03:01 AM
Classify Karelin - Russian wrestler.
He is 6'4" and 300 lb.

His large stature demands some Nordish affinity.

This man is frightening!

Razmig
Friday, April 9th, 2004, 08:33 AM
Alpine+E.Baltic that was over-fed as a child with too much meat and milk...looks as if he has some slight Dinaric as well

Glenlivet
Friday, April 9th, 2004, 03:23 PM
So are you saying that he is not Nordid at all? Is it the nose that look slightly Dinarid?

Is he the same type as Putin?



Alpine+E.Baltic that was over-fed as a child with too much meat and milk...looks as if he has some slight Dinaric as well

Angelcynn Beorn
Friday, April 9th, 2004, 05:51 PM
I classify him as someone i wouldnt want to bump into in a dark alley. :D

Seriously, he looks Brunn to me.

bocian
Friday, April 9th, 2004, 06:27 PM
I will avoid classifying him (I don't consider myself an expert).

All I can say is that he is one of the greatest athletes of all time.

Razmig
Sunday, April 11th, 2004, 09:28 AM
So are you saying that he is not Nordid at all? Is it the nose that look slightly Dinarid?

Is he the same type as Putin?
Nordic pigmentation does not = Nordic...so he could be classified as Nordish (any southern groups or subgroups with nordic implimentations). However, there is nothing nordic about his bone structure or facial features. I would also like to remind you that E.Baltic belongs to the same group as a Ladogan (which is a Lap+Alpine mixture) which would cause him to have a broad forehead...he probably has a flatted occupit as well.

observer
Sunday, April 11th, 2004, 06:39 PM
barbaroid

Euclides
Sunday, April 11th, 2004, 07:13 PM
Classify Karelin - Russian wrestler.
He is 6'4" and 300 lb.


Looks `` Noric `` ( Dinaric + Nordic )

I posted his picture some months ago, In my post `` Classify me ! `` , when Sigrun said that I look like a wrestler.
( http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=4924 )

Razmig
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 09:06 AM
Looks `` Noric `` ( Dinaric + Nordic )

I posted his picture some months ago, In my post `` Classify me ! `` , when Sigrun said that I look like a wrestler.
( http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=4924 )
His face is rather broad for that, for some reason my minds telling me that his roids have deformed his bone structure (probably growth hormones).

Fred
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 09:58 AM
He is probably a northern Borrebic! (Borreby+dinaric,a new term! :D), probably with nordic admixture, if he was darker he would probably look like a montenegrin

Awar
Monday, April 12th, 2004, 10:13 AM
He's got a too low forehead to be a Montenegrin.

Anyway, he doesn't look too fair to be Montenegrin either. Some 50% of Montenegrins display blondism and rufosity in various levels. I have a similar pigmentation to his ( for example ).

Razmig
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:47 AM
I classify him as someone i wouldnt want to bump into in a dark alley. :D

Seriously, he looks Brunn to me.
That is also a possibility, but we know that Brunn is a robust "rougher" looking Alpine.

Sword Brethren
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:53 AM
In the third picture, he looks like the Monster from Frankenstein.

Väring
Wednesday, August 18th, 2004, 05:27 PM
Classify Alexander Karelin.

:hveðrungur:
Wednesday, August 18th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Not a classification but Karelin was my wrestling idol when I was in high school wrestling greco roman and freestyle, that man was just a beast on the mat. Probably one of the most naturally powerfull men to ever live.

Anyways, carry on :)

Axelrod
Wednesday, August 18th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Noric.

Väring
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 05:40 PM
I think it's safe to say we're dealing with an UP type here. He looks Baltid to me in the third photo, but i'm puzzled...

Väring
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 05:05 PM
Noric. I don't doubt that Karelin has used stereoids, but i still cannot believe that a Noric type could put on that kind of muscle.

SouthernBoy
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 05:34 PM
This is difficult. I would say there looks like a Faelid element, but also a Brunn element. The predisposition to gain mass must certainly be from Borreby or Brunn, although I would not rule out steroids out as a factor. :D

Axelrod
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 09:03 PM
I don't doubt that Karelin has used stereoids, but i still cannot believe that a Noric type could put on that kind of muscle.

his skull and nasal tip is very dinarid while his pigmentation is nordid. Noric I think is a well built subrace in general.

Väring
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 05:43 PM
his skull and nasal tip is very dinarid while his pigmentation is nordid.

UP types can have nordid pigmentation, as well.


Noric I think is a well built subrace in general.

But Karelin doesn't look like a Noric proper. Noric types should be quite slender, also.

Vincent Cassel is a good example of a Noric.

GreenHeart
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 06:42 PM
UP types can have nordid pigmentation, as well.



But Karelin doesn't look like a Noric proper. Noric types should be quite slender, also.

Vincent Cassel is a good example of a Noric.

Anyone can put on muscle if they are willing to work for it, some types just more easily than others.

Väring
Wednesday, August 25th, 2004, 06:53 PM
his skull and nasal tip is very dinarid while his pigmentation is nordid. Noric I think is a well built subrace in general.

On the other hand, Baltid/Dinarid is a possibility.

Väring
Sunday, November 27th, 2005, 08:05 PM
I'd like to hear what Agrippa, Southern Boy and 007 have to say about this one.

RedJack
Monday, November 28th, 2005, 12:10 AM
He looks Borreby to me, especially in the last pic.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=720&d=1092846217

He is similar to the weightlifter who was posted recently, Evgeny Chigishev.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=12112

Väring
Tuesday, November 29th, 2005, 05:31 PM
He looks Borreby to me, especially in the last pic.

Planoccipital; high-headed; Borreby. His features are quite refined, though.

RedJack
Tuesday, November 29th, 2005, 06:44 PM
Dinaricized, almost. Looking at him I can understand why some anthropologists consider Dinarics to be derived from Borrebys.

KraftAkt
Thursday, December 1st, 2005, 04:48 PM
He is similar to the weightlifter who was posted recently, Evgeny Chigishev.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=12112

Is there a possibility that Borrebys are more likely to be such strong than other types?!

Väring
Thursday, December 1st, 2005, 05:43 PM
Dinaricized, almost. Looking at him I can understand why some anthropologists consider Dinarics to be derived from Borrebys.

Those types are certainly similar as far as HLI and CI are concerned. Lundman had Dinarid as a Pontid derivative. I think Coon was wrong when he saw it as a Atlanto-Mediterranid/Alpinid blend.


The blending of the Dinarics is never perfect in a chemical sense; in any Dinaric population there are ordinary Alpines and a few Atlanto-Mediterraneans along with their blended brethren. When the proportions of the ingredients are wrong, the type which is present in excess may be found in some numbers in its original form. That is why there are so many Alpines in France and Switzerland, and so many Atlanto-Mediterraneans in Malsia Jakovës.

http://www.snpa.skadi.net/chapter-XII13.htm

RedJack
Friday, December 2nd, 2005, 01:34 AM
Is there a possibility that Borrebys are more likely to be such strong than other types?!

Yes, Borreby, Brunn and Falian are Upper Paleolithic types. Usually very big and strong, although they can run to fat.

Yes, I wonder about the blended Alpine theory, also, Varing. Why would Alpine and anything yield a tall skinny type?

goldgrube
Wednesday, December 7th, 2005, 11:27 PM
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=89&PopUp=true
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=109&PopUp=true
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=113&PopUp=true
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=56&PopUp=true
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=173&PopUp=true
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=221&PopUp=true

I would expect a more angular and square jaw line from a man of his complection. What do you think?

RedJack
Thursday, December 8th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Looks like a Borreby to me, maybe with a dash of Dinaric.

visigodo
Thursday, December 8th, 2005, 01:07 PM
Exagerately Cromagnoid.:-O

Theudanaz
Thursday, December 8th, 2005, 06:55 PM
robust dinaricized cro-magnid indeed.

Väring
Sunday, August 20th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Borreby.

Nicola_Canadian
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 08:44 AM
Born in Novosibirsk, Siberia, Russia
Height: 6' 4". Weight: 130 kg (286 lb)

http://home.no.net/kvellur/images/karelin2.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Bleachers/8651/klion.jpg


http://img.rian.ru/images/4141/81/41418112.jpg
http://www.motion-online.dk/fora/uploads/post-67-1142861318_thumb.jpghttp://www.vremya.ru/images/docs/150926-large.jpeghttp://images.newsru.com/pict/id/662056_20040616172035.gif
http://www.krugosvet.ru/articles/101/1010141/A0008E60.jpg

http://old.vn.ru/040117/jpg/0117-17b.jpg

Video - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7670518349034223468

Skalagrim
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 10:27 AM
Pure CM. Dalo-falid or West Baltid.

Agrippa
Monday, October 2nd, 2006, 02:59 PM
Westbaltid + Eastnordid in my opinion.

Nicola_Canadian
Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006, 12:27 AM
Westbaltid + Eastnordid in my opinion.

Would you consider him progressive?

Prussak
Tuesday, October 3rd, 2006, 12:31 AM
I don't care what he is, that man is scary!!

Definitely someone to befriend rather than piss off.Agreed.
http://www.karelin.ru/eng/img.php?id=89

Ну и рожа!

Agrippa
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 12:15 PM
Would you consider him progressive?

Well, he has some archaic traits but is overall rather progressive and for sure so if its about the versatile character of his type.

Nicola_Canadian
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Well, he has some archaic traits but is overall rather progressive and for sure so if its about the versatile character of his type.


Archaic? Do you mean he is Progressive+Primitive having Infantile?...

Agrippa
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Archaic? Do you mean he is Progressive+Primitive having Infantile?...

He has nothing infantile. He is progressive with some slight primitive tendencies - with the latter being not really important. Sometimes certain rather archaic traits can be even more advantageous than some new, especially reduced-infantile ones by the way for the variant's performance. But its about the balance too and about the question whether the primitive characteristics are of any real use for the general potential of a variant/group.

Nicola_Canadian
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 07:24 PM
He has nothing infantile. He is progressive with some slight primitive tendencies - with the latter being not really important. Sometimes certain rather archaic traits can be even more advantageous than some new, especially reduced-infantile ones by the way for the variant's performance. But its about the balance too and about the question whether the primitive characteristics are of any real use for the general potential of a variant/group.

Sorry, my typo...
I meant exactly that - Progressive+Primitive+NOT Infantile...
Agree?

Agrippa
Friday, October 6th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Sorry, my typo...
I meant exactly that - Progressive+Primitive+NOT Infantile...
Agree?

Yes, as I said, progressive but with certain for Europid standards and phylogeny more primitive traits.