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Scáthach
Friday, September 12th, 2003, 12:04 AM
Classify Gregori Rasputin.

Vojvoda
Friday, September 12th, 2003, 03:21 AM
Classify Gregori Rasputin.

Pontid with a Nordid strain or vice versa.

Rex
Friday, September 12th, 2003, 10:21 AM
Classify Gregori Rasputin.



First pic , is authentic?


I see caucasian strain.

Pomor
Friday, September 12th, 2003, 06:45 PM
An interesting description I found:

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http://134.184.33.110/phreno/ras.gif

A wide ear axis (1) stands for a strong dynamic energy (Destructiveness), which also is reflected in a strong vital energy. The tragical circumstances of Rasputin's death illustrate this: after resisting a strong dose of poison, he was shot several times by Prince Yussupov before being slain.
The front is wide and protruding (5): well developed Perceptive faculties, practical mind limited to tangible reality.
The skull becomes narrower towards the top, faculties like Ideality (2) and Spirituality (3) are notoriously absent. Low type without noble aspirations.
The upper back of the head is extremely narrow: the faculties of Conscientiousness and Cautiousness will therefore be very weak. Thus: an audacious person, scrupless, without any conscience.
The upper back of the head is very high (4): Self-esteem, reinforced by a strong Firmness
The skull is ogival shaped, rather than dome-shaped: absence of higher aspirations, low type. Whenever one comes into contact with individuals displaying this cranial configuration, caution should be taken!
The narrow and high back of the skull, as well as the wide ear axis are an atavistic reminder to the skulls of pre-historic humanoids.
This Phrenological description was adapted from Prof. Bouts' Psychognomy, with the kind permission of the author.
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The question is if it is a pseudo-science or not :suspect

Gareth
Saturday, November 6th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Gregori Rasputin, a Siberian peasant who claimed to have the power of healing and prediction, not only was able to help the tsar's hemophilic son, he was able to influence affairs of state by having the ear of Tsarina Aleksandra. Since Rasputin's influence over the royal couple was believed to be damaging to the Russian monarchy and to Russia, a group of aristocrats murdered Rasputin.

Agrippa
Sunday, November 7th, 2004, 01:52 AM
I would say pred. Nordid with Dinarid and Baltid/Osteuropid admixture.

Gareth
Sunday, November 7th, 2004, 02:26 AM
I heard he had syphilis (reason (http://www.times.spb.ru/archive/lifestyl/107/rasputin.jpg)) which would explain why he grew that scary if you compare pictures.

Bulair
Sunday, November 7th, 2004, 10:34 AM
I guess he is pontic, at least from what I've read about this subrace.

Mercator
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 07:28 AM
Grigori Efimovich Rasputin (1869-1916)


http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6383/rasputin4fa7.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/2576/rasputin3bb1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2572/rasputin2lk8.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/728/rasputinzq4.jpg
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/220/wwrasputin01jv7.jpg

Nicola_Canadian
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 07:59 AM
Hard to say about a person from the black and white pic who has a beard and long hair... However, East Nordid is visible...

http://www.russdom.ru/knigi/relmoney/pagi/image/image094.jpeg
http://obozrevatel.com/files/6/_Picture_file_path_6625.jpghttp://www.zaistinu.ru/l2/art/i/23

Also an icon version -
http://astrologica.ru/i/content/8-2.jpg

visigodo
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 08:15 AM
Agrippa has made a good classification in my opinion.

Glenlivet
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 12:22 PM
I doubt there is anything Dinarid about him. He look more like that Valdaic type.

http://www.russdom.ru/knigi/relmoney/pagi/image/image094.jpeghttp://img478.imageshack.us/img478/4572/russian20valdaic20biasutti5ac.jpg
Rasputin and Valdaic from R. Biasutti (taken from VV Bunak)

Oswiu
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 04:20 PM
Also an icon version -
http://astrologica.ru/i/content/8-2.jpg
Bozhe! Who canonised him?!? The Russian Orthodox Church in Exile?


I doubt there is anything Dinarid about him. He look more like that Valdaic type.

Interesting. SNPA have unfortunately omitted this type from their Glossary. What is its exact relation to Eastern Nordid?
I've been to Valdai, by the way! ;) Nice cool Lake, and good Bell Museum.

Nicola_Canadian
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 07:33 PM
He look more like that Valdaic type.

I don't see anything even close to Valdaic type...


Bozhe! Who canonised him?!? The Russian Orthodox Church in Exile?

And why are you so surprised? I guess it doesn't fit the common view on Rasputin that is based on -

Disney animation "Anastasia"?
German Porn Industry?
Vodka brand?
or maybe "Ra-Ra-Rasputin" song of ****** from Boney M?

Glenlivet
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 08:24 PM
Certainly not the best example I could find. Something tells me they have similar eye shape and eyebrows though. Other than that, he is narrower-faced and more pigmented. I may have been influenced by the coiffure too.

I would like to see textbook examples of East-Nordid (except the one I have seen by Lundman, who do not look like him).


I don't see anything even close to Valdaic type...

Oswiu
Monday, July 24th, 2006, 12:14 AM
And why are you so surprised? I guess it doesn't fit the common view on Rasputin that is based on -

Disney animation "Anastasia"?
German Porn Industry?
Vodka brand?
or maybe "Ra-Ra-Rasputin" song of ****** from Boney M?
No, from history books. Why do you think he was bumped off? He was giving the Royal family a bad name. There's undoubtedly a lot of slander about him, but at the very best he was a corrupt oddball cultist lech with far too much political influence.

By the way, that animation [not Disney though] disgusted me, and I was horrified to see it widely on sale in Moskva. Russian parents allowing their children's perceptions of their own country's history to be distorted like that... :(

The German porn is new to me, however. But I'll resist my curiosity in this case. ;)

On Topic; can I reiterate my question about what exactly Valdaic is supposed to constitute?

Glenlivet
Monday, July 24th, 2006, 12:33 AM
"The Valdaic type corresponds according to Bunak to the race orientale of Deniker (Biasutti's razza baltica) from which it is distinguished by a somewhat more elevated stature (cm. 167-168) and dolichoprosopy."

http://dienekes.ifreepages.com/blog/archives/2003_04.html

I do not know its relation to East-Nordid, which is a term used by other physical anthropologists and people at forums like Skadi.


SNPA have unfortunately omitted this type from their Glossary. What is its exact relation to Eastern Nordid?

Nicola_Canadian
Monday, July 24th, 2006, 12:45 AM
No, from history books. Why do you think he was bumped off? He was giving the Royal family a bad name. There's undoubtedly a lot of slander about him, but at the very best he was a corrupt oddball cultist lech with far too much political influence.

100 times repeated lie becomes a common knowledge if not truth... Jewish media was spreading quite nasty rumours about him and the purpose of his presence in the palace... Tsar simply could not explain everybody that Rasputin was the only person who could stop the deadly bleeding of his hemophilic son.

However,
1) Was he corrupt? Did he get any treasure being close to Tsar? No...
2) Was he a cultist? No... he was simply a Christian who had a healing talent...
3) Political influence? Not really, he was a simple peasant... However, he would feel bad karma of some people around the throne... He was also against any war... particularly against Russian-German war that was possible because of Serbia...

Unfortunately I don't have a formidable book on him right now where every single accusation of Rasputin was investigated in details... But before the investigators figure out that it was all fraud, the media would have spread all the rumours...

You say he was killed by aristocrats? However, all of the people who actually killed him were masons including duke\prince Yusupov..


On Topic; can I reiterate my question about what exactly Valdaic is supposed to constitute?

Valdaic type is mostly Baltic

BopoH
Monday, July 24th, 2006, 10:18 AM
That Valdaic type from Biasutti looks rather Nordid, imo.

OFF: Could someone answer me please, how many posts do I need to make to be taken off moderation? :mad I bet you guys are loosing potential members because of this policy. I thought bureocracy was not in the Teutonic spirit?

Glenlivet
Monday, July 24th, 2006, 02:10 PM
I have actually thought the same. Phenotypically close to the Valle type and some Trönders.


That Valdaic type from Biasutti looks rather Nordid, imo.