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android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 12:36 AM
gauls? (like I have seen in Asterix comics)
germans?

:valkyrie

this type I mean...

and which ones used to have horned helmets?

like this:

:viking



I don't hope that I sound very stupid lol, just curious...

Hagalaz
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:05 AM
gauls? (like I have seen in Asterix comics)
germans?

:valkyrie

this type I mean...

Gods? Valkyries? Mostly just holy figures as far as I know.


and which ones used to have horned helmets?

like this:

:viking
Hmm, post-christian depictions of the 'demonic Vikings'? Even though their helmets looked more like:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/vikings/images/weapons_replica_helmet.jpg

http://www.jelldragon.com/images/jk11_viking_helmet_350.jpg

http://www.jelldragon.com/images/JK4.jpg

Anglo-Saxon artifact...(one of my favorites)
http://www.mcdonald.cam.ac.uk/IARC/Display/helmet.gif

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:11 AM
thanks..

but Asterix wasn't really a god was he..
Did Gauls actually wear those feathered ones?

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:15 AM
http://www.hgoc.nl/nl/mtr/hmt/viking/vtpix/viking2.jpg

so this isn't the real thing..
:(
I always were a fan of these types of characters though

Hagalaz
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:24 AM
Well it's said the idea may have derived came from horned helmets used for ceremonial purposes, but even if so it was extremely uncommon..

The Gauls didn't wear winged helmets either as far as I know... many were armored lightly and didn't use helmets.

Popeye
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:24 AM
What about this one?

Skildur
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:31 AM
http://www.hgoc.nl/nl/mtr/hmt/viking/vtpix/viking2.jpg

so this isn't the real thing..
:(
I always were a fan of these types of characters though

Can you imagine how are you supposed to fight with the helmet which has wings or horns? I don't think this will be very functinal.

Hagalaz
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 01:34 AM
This is from a mod for the game 'rome total war'. It's called "Rome Total Realism" which is supposed to make everything historically accurate, even in the way the characters look. I don't know how credible it is but here are the units for Germania:

http://tinypic.com/fxcyti.jpg

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:04 AM
This is from a mod for the game 'rome total war'. It's called "Rome Total Realism" which is supposed to make everything historically accurate, even in the way the characters look. I don't know how credible it is but here are the units for Germania:

http://tinypic.com/fxcyti.jpg

please translate the characters :)

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:05 AM
I don't see any naked Kelts...! thought they used to go in battle completely naked.

Skildur
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:08 AM
I don't see any naked Kelts...! thought they used to go in battle completely naked.

Come on, it's the game. The kids are playing it. You don't want kids to see or play naked kelts, do you?

Hagalaz
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:14 AM
Well, those were just the Germans, they have "Naked Fanatics" for the Gauls but their junk obviously isn't exposed...
http://www.rometotalrealism.com/images/theunitcards.jpg

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:22 AM
CELTS IN BATTLE

Polybius, who lived between about 202 and 120 BC, gives a full account of how the Celts fought at the battle of Telamon in 225 BC; it is worth quoting at length because it highlights several recurring characteristics: 'The Celts had drawn up the Gaesatae from the Alps to face their enemies on the rear ... and behind them the Insubres .... The Insubres and the Boii wore trousers and light cloaks, but the Gaesatae in their overconfidence had thrown these aside and stood in front of the whole army naked, with nothing but their arms; for they thought that thus they would be more efficient, since some of the ground was overgrown with thorns which would catch on their clothes and impede the use of their weapons.

android
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 02:25 AM
but the Gaesatae fought naked. At the battle of Cannae (216 BC) Polybius describes the naked Celts and the Iberians with their short linen tunics with purple borders, and Livy speaks of the Gauls naked from the navel up and of the Iberians with dazzlingly white tunics bordered with purple. The Celts in Asia Minor seem to have preserved this custom, for they too are described as naked in battle with skin white because they were never exposed except in battle. Camillus, trying to raise the morale of the Romans after the siege of the Capitol, pointed to some naked Gauls and said: 'These are the men who rush against you in battle, who raise loud shouts, clash their arms and long swords, and toss their hair. Look at their lack of hardiness, their soft and flabby bodies, and go to it'. Dionysus of Halicarnassus expresses the same sentiments: 'Our enemies fight bare-headed, their breasts, sides thighs, legs are all bare, and they have no protection except from their shields; their weapons of defence are thin spears and long swords. What injury could their long hair, their fierce looks, the clashing of their arms and the brandishing of their arms do us? These are mere symbols of barbarian boastfulness.'

Hagalaz
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 03:52 AM
Yes I know the Celts fought naked, I was just saying full nudity isn't shown in the game for obvious reasons :|

The Black Prince
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 09:35 PM
http://www.celticgrounds.com/images/scanned/celticartthings/weaponry/helmet.gif

Only Celtic helmet I know off, which had horns.

It is from the 1st century BC. It was found in England during the 19th century.
This helmet is described as pure ceremonial (or as the helmet for a man who carried the banner, according to some historians), since the horns are to thin to provide any form of protection.

Skildur
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 09:39 PM
http://www.celticgrounds.com/images/scanned/celticartthings/weaponry/helmet.gif

Only Celtic helmet I know off, which had horns.

It is from the 1st century BC. It was found in England during the 19th century.
This helmet is described as pure ceremonial (or as the helmet for a man who carried the banner, according to some historians), since the horns are to thin to provide any form of protection.

Thats' truth. I wonder how people can seriously think that in ancient times warriors were fighting in the battles with such things on their heads. :D

Agrippa
Monday, November 21st, 2005, 10:18 PM
This is from a mod for the game 'rome total war'. It's called "Rome Total Realism" which is supposed to make everything historically accurate, even in the way the characters look. I don't know how credible it is but here are the units for Germania:

They are mostly reliable, yes.


http://www.celticgrounds.com/images/scanned/celticartthings/weaponry/helmet.gif

Only Celtic helmet I know off, which had horns.

It is from the 1st century BC. It was found in England during the 19th century.
This helmet is described as pure ceremonial (or as the helmet for a man who carried the banner, according to some historians), since the horns are to thin to provide any form of protection.

Yes, Celts and Germanics used, if at all, the helmets mainly for ceremonial occasions, there are no proofs for them being widespread anyway.

Its said that horned helmets were more common in the Sea People, Philistines.
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/defense.htm