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Glenlivet
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 03:36 PM
Compare Uytdehaage with "Götatyp från Hardanger": http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/rastyper-04.htm

Glenlivet
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 05:25 PM
Compare his refined features, long and narrow face and leptosomic body with Jochem Uytdehaage in the previous thread.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=7886#post7886

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 01:38 AM
I have noticed that some Nordics and Dinarics have a sharp triangularly pointed nose when then smile, or perhaps this is solely a Dinaric trait. I agree he is very Hallstatt.

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 01:41 AM
I am not quite sure about this. Is the nose overhanging the upper lip a Nordic trait, or only in specialized Nordic population (like the Aran islanders when a nose as such is the mean)?

Glenlivet
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 05:00 PM
That's true. You will see more of it among taller, long - and narrower-faced Nordids. The source is often Corded, a relation that both Nordids and Dinarids may have in the sense that at some places Corded is involved in the formation of Dinarid. That's the case in many Anglo-Saxons and one form of Trönder. Dinarid influenced the nasal shape in Keltic Nordic. In the chapter Racial Classification within the White Family of his book The Races of Europe Coon also wrote: "This type includes some Bell Beaker Dinaric absorbed in early Metal Age times".

It's in any case the combination of traits that determine our understanding of a racial type.

The Corded component of Nordid is most evident in the north of Sweden and Trøndelagen in Norway.

He's from Western Dalecarlia (Dalarna), which is a Gothic Nordid centre., The type is not common in the surrounding regions. Regions that have populations with Gothic Nordids are in southwestern Sweden (mostly in västra götaland/västergötland), pockets in western Norway and southern Jutland.


I have noticed that some Nordics and Dinarics have a sharp triangularly pointed nose when then smile, or perhaps this is solely a Dinaric trait. I agree he is very Hallstatt.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 05:10 PM
Not as such, it's probably more common among Nordids in southwestern (I think of Keltic Nordic) and Northwestern Germany (Anglo-Saxon, but perhaps also Noric more south) and English of the Anglo-Saxon form. Read the post about Gunde Svan too. I think it's due to the Corded and Dinarid component in Nordids. One must look at the nasal shape as a whole. He doesn't have a hooked nose. Nordids have often compressed nostrils, while Dinarids have a straight or convex spine with nostrils that are somewhat curved.

Obtuse noses, especially in females, are more common in Sweden. As for populations, noses become more convex as you got south from Inner Scandinavia towards Montenegro in the Balkans.



I am not quite sure about this. Is the nose overhanging the upper lip a Nordic trait, or only in specialized Nordic population (like the Aran islanders when a nose as such is the mean)?

Nordhammer
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 08:24 PM
I have noticed that some Nordics and Dinarics have a sharp triangularly pointed nose when then smile, or perhaps this is solely a Dinaric trait. I agree he is very Hallstatt.

Probably a result from a long nose, which stretches the skin out as one smiles. This is a more permanent feature of Asiatics and Armenoids, such as with many Jews. Because their nose is so long it is permanently in this arrowhead shape.

Glenlivet
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 11:40 PM
Charlie Hunnam is as good a Nordid of the Gothic type you can find in SE Norway or Western Sweden.

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/637/637417/green-street-hooligans-20050729040703403-000.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/7620/char40.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/7620/char29.jpg

http://x11.putfile.com/11/31117365040-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/31117365040.jpg&s=x11)

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/7620/char39.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/WestHollywood/Chelsea/7620/char47.jpg

Glenlivet
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 11:56 PM
Could you give a description of this Gothic type as well, please?

RedJack, I will reply to your question in this thread.

The type predominate in Southwestern Scandinavia and the characteristics are a long and narrow face, low skull (HLI approx. 68-69), sloping forehead which is rounded and weak towards the temples, pointed/sharp chin, ash-blonde hair and an unsually high frequency of pure light blue eyes in the folk stock (Lundman, 1940, 1946). The type is usually of sparse build (Lundman, 1962).

Lundman wrote about some general Nordid characteristics which I have translated. Other characteristics which include Trönder (and maybe also other Nordid types), but are also relevant in the case of the Gothic type are the following; projecting occiput and a fairly flat crown. Very "aristocratic" (probably meaning sharp) faces are often a sign of racial admixture (Lundman, 1946). The forehead is fairly low (I think the Trönder forehead is higher though), narrow and somewhat sloping. The eyes lie somewhat deep under moderately thick, straight and even eyebrows. The nose is mostly straight, at times somewhat upturned (which is of course more common among children and women), often with an elevation in the middle of the bridge of the nose. Convex, in other words a bent nose, it is rarely. The lips are thin and ears flat. The eye colour is blue or grey. One can sometimes find an almost imperceptible yellow-brown ring around the pupil, without the need of thinking the person concerned is less pure in type. The hair darkens with age among the majority, but "should" not become too dark. The skin is light and pink.

http://www.charlie-hunnam.net/gallery/albums/TV/Undeclared/1x03ericvisits/076.jpg

RedJack
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 12:03 AM
Cheers, mate! :thumbup

Agrippa
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 12:35 AM
Skandonordid but with Dalofaelid/Cromagnid form influence (wouldnt even call it admixture).

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 12:42 AM
It is visible in some pictures but not really in the film where I first saw his face. One get that impression mostly in some pictures where the the face look slightly broader. Falid in NW Germany is in any case close to the very big Agder type in southern Norway, which in turn is a sub-type of Gothic. He is nonetheless a good example of a Scando-Nordid (closest to Gothic type). He does not look "Anglo-Saxon" though. I think the reason is that he lack the Corded and Borreby element.

http://www.dailyceleb.com/thumbs/tn.DC.259137.jpg

http://www.greenstreethooligans.com/cast/charlie.jpg


Dalofaelid/Cromagnid form influence (wouldnt even call it admixture).

RedJack
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 01:23 AM
This Agder type sounds interesting, do you have any examples?

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 01:28 AM
I can guess what he meant but that is not enough. I would have posted a textbook example if there was any. I have unfortunately not seen any. Lundman only write about the type in some of his works. He does not provide a picture of Nord-Atlantid either. He should have really put a picture or at least given the name of a living example. Coon was much better in that respect. It is much easier if one has a face in mind.


This Agder type sounds interesting, do you have any examples?

RedJack
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 01:41 AM
It is much easier if one has a face in mind.

Yes, indeed. :thumbup

Edwin
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 02:30 AM
Why is this type called Gothic? Is not Coon's Anglo-Saxon the actual Gothid type?

Coon on the Goths: TROE VI, 6 (selected)

--- The Swedish population of the Iron Age, best represented by a smaller group of 14 males72 (see Appendix I, col. 40), was essentially the same as that in Denmark. There are, however, a few differences - the vault is higher, the face wider, the upper face shorter. Perhaps these more peripheral Scandinavians showed a little of the older blood.

A series of Goths from the Chersonese north of the Black Sea, dated between 100 B.C. and 100 A.D., includes three male and eight female skeletons.76 All of these are long headed, and they belong to a large, powerful Nordic type which reflects their Swedish origin, for they are no different from the Swedish Iron Age crania which we have already studied.

The same conclusion results when one examines the Visigothic skulls from northern Spain which date from the sixth century A.D.77 Here a series combined from several cemeteries shows us exactly the same Nordic type, with tall stature and with a high-vaulted skull, a long face, and a broad law; in this respect resembling, in a sense, the earlier Hallstatt crania, but more particularly those of the western Germanic group, especially the Hannover Germans and the Anglo-Saxons.

The prototype of the western German peoples who migrated from the region about the mouth of the Elbe is well represented by a series of skulls from Hannover which includes 41 male crania.78 (See Appendix I, col. 42.) Metrically, these differ from the Danish Iron Age skulls in being slightly longer, somewhat broader, and considerably higher. The foreheads are broader, and the face is wider, and in many cases a bit longer. These skulls deviate from the normal Nordic type of central European origin with which we are familiar in their greater size and roibusticity, and particularly in their greater vault height.

The skulls of the Anglo-Saxons who invaded England in the fourth and fifth centuries of the present era79 (see Appendix I, col. 43) are almost identical with this Hannover group. It is to this same specific category that the Spanish Visigothic skulls to which we have already referred belong.

The type represented by these three groups and by the Visigoths seems to be a variant of the Nordic type to which the early Indo-European speakers belonged. Its difference is one of size, and it appears to have attained this distinction through a mixture, in southern Scandinavia and Germany, between the older local population, consisting of a combination of Megalithic, Corded, and Borreby elements, and the purely Nordic Danish Iron Age group. The resultant type approaches in some respects, but does not even approximate in size, the coastal Norwegian population which we have already studied, and it deviates far less from the central European Nordic than does the Norwegian group.

The West Germans who invaded Bavaria, southwestern Germany, northern Switzerland, and Austria, transformed previously Keltic and Illyrian regions into permanent areas of Germanic speech and culture. The tribes most fully responsible for this were the Franks, the Alemanni, the Bajuvars, and the Thuringians. The skeletons contained in the cemeteries used by these peoples during the first centuries of their settlement have been extensively studied, and it is not difficult to determine to what extent the Germanic type, as exemplified by the Hanoverians, Anglo-Saxons, and Goths was implanted in these regions. ---

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 02:39 AM
Because the type predominate in the historical region of Götaland, Southern Sweden. Sveatyp (from Svealand) = Trönder. Hallstatt or Österdal of Coon is close (and probably the same) as Lundman's definition of Götatyp. Lundman's living examples are of a more sparse build with weaker chins.


Why is this type called Gothic?

Edwin
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 03:03 AM
I think using Gothic is confusing. If you had used Göta, then I would not have thought you were speaking of the type of the historical Goths. I just assumed that Gothic was a type in the work of another author, neither Coon nor Lundman.

And I do not think Hunnam looks Göta, so you can understand my confusion. An example you posted recently, Erik Edman, seems more typical. Hunnam seems to be exactly as Agrippa stated, with Faelid form influence.

Erik Edman - http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=38944

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 03:06 AM
I see. Gothic is simply a translation of Göta, like the city Göteborg, which is internationally known as Gothenburg. :)


I think using Gothic is confusing.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 03:09 AM
Agreed, but it is also more difficult to find good examples in England. He look more typical in moving pictures.


Hunnam seems to be exactly as Agrippa stated, with Faelid form influence.

Edwin
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 03:20 AM
Perhaps I overreacted a bit. I've been doing alot of that lately. Maybe I'm working out too much. ;)

Edwin
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 03:29 AM
Agreed, but it is also more difficult to find good examples in England. He look more typical in moving pictures.

Yes, typical Göta Nordids do seem rare in England. Most English Nordids fall somewhere between Coon's Anglo-Saxon and Hallstatt types, and more on the side of the former.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 06:03 AM
http://x11.putfile.com/11/31200013445.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)

He is a better example than the Englishman, Charlie Hunnam.

Description: The type predominate in Southwestern Scandinavia and the characteristics are a long and narrow face, low skull (HLI approx. 68-69), sloping forehead which is rounded and weak towards the temples, pointed/sharp chin, ash-blonde hair and an unsually high frequency of pure light blue eyes in the folk stock (Lundman, 1940, 1946). The type is usually of sparse build (Lundman, 1962). Distribution: mainly eastern England and Scotland, Northwestern Germany, Southern Jutland and Eastern Norway, Southwestern Sweden and up to Värmland and western Dalarna.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 06:32 AM
Because I am not sure you guys realise what a great example he is, I made a much better scan of the textbook example from "Nordens Rastyper" which is available online.

http://x11.putfile.com/11/31200290554-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/31200290554.jpg&s=x11)

Bertil Lundman, Studentföreningen Verdandis Småskrifter, Nordens Rastyper Geografi och Historia, Fig 3-4, Stockholm Albert Bonniers Förlag, 1940.

Two Swedes of about the same type (also posted in another thead at Skadi, lost attachments uploaded by Gareth). The Scottish fellow resemble the second guy.

http://x11.putfile.com/11/31200370567.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)http://x11.putfile.com/11/31200364287-thumb.jpg (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=11/31200364287.jpg&s=x11)http://x11.putfile.com/11/31200355418.jpg (http://www.putfile.com)

visigodo
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 09:01 PM
Two more exemples of "Gothic type". One from Sweeden and one socker player from North-Spain. The socker player looks similar to the right side Sweeden. Perhaps both little bit more robusts compare with the Scottish.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, November 9th, 2005, 10:37 PM
The Spanish man is indeed a bit more on the robust side but the Swede is more gracile. His hair is also more of a golden shade, which is perhaps more common in western Europe (including parts of Norway). How common are Spaniards like him? Is he a football player? I find it fascinating that there are individuals like him in southern countries like Spain. His strong lower face remind me of Luis Enrique Martinez (probably Lundman's Palaeo-Atlantid), a face I know that you can also find in county Cork, Ireland, although the skin there is usually much paler (probably environmental).

Is the Swede from Lundborg classified as Gothic, or do you interpret it as such? Can you please state the source of the book? Thanks for posting them both.


Two more exemples of "Gothic type". One from Sweeden and one socker player from North-Spain. The socker player looks similar to the right side Sweeden. Perhaps both little bit more robusts compare with the Scottish.

Edwin
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 04:34 AM
Göta, Glenlivet, not Gothic! :D

He is a Scottish man of Göta type.

Glenlivet
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 04:35 AM
Thanks for reminding me. ;)

So you agree on the classification. That is good. What is your opinion on the fair man from Northern Spain?


Göta, Glenlivet, not Gothic! :D

He is a Scottish man of Göta type.

Edwin
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Nordid with some Cromagnoid influence, approaching Coon's Anglo-Saxon/Gothid. I'm glad to see that Visigodo isn't all by himself out there!


What is your opinion on the fair man from Northern Spain?

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:29 PM
The Spanish man is indeed a bit more on the robust side but the Swede is more gracile. His hair is also more of a golden shade, which is perhaps more common in western Europe (including parts of Norway). How common are Spaniards like him? Is he a football player? I find it fascinating that there are individuals like him in southern countries like Spain. His strong lower face remind me of Luis Enrique Martinez (probably Lundman's Palaeo-Atlantid), a face I know that you can also find in county Cork, Ireland, although the skin there is usually much paler (probably environmental).

Is the Swede from Lundborg classified as Gothic, or do you interpret it as such? Can you please state the source of the book? Thanks for posting them both.

How common are Spaniards like him? Is he a football player? I find it fascinating that there are individuals like him in southern countries like Spain.

Spain is basically a country were the Mediterranid race is strongly predominant. West-(Gracil)-Mediterranids, Atlanto-Mediterranids, Berids, Cromagnized Mediterranids etc.
There is also more races represented and that can be found: Alpinoids, Nordids and Dalofaelids (Small %) plus a small amount of Litoroids, Dinaroids etc. Alpinids and Nordids are, according to Günther, Ploetz and Jacob Graf 15% each. The 15% of Nordids is also confirmed by Aranzadi and Hoyos Sainz. The point is that nowadays the Nordids that can be found is not so easy to find in a clear pure form and many times the are little bit altered by admixtures with Mediterranids, Cromagnids, Dalofaelids etc. but still we can say pred. Nordids. Mainly those Nordids have arrived with the Visigoth invasion and with other Germanic peoples that preceded it closely, Suabians, Vandals etc. and of course with the Celts. Our Peninsula acquires at that time a great torrent of Nordid blood that was kept long time pure, without be mixing legally with the racial groups that were populating it. This big wave of Nordid blood that fell down on the Peninsula increases considerably the number of not “covered” Nordids, and much more the “covered” Nordids (Nordids mixed with pigmented types). The fact is that the race was influenced of such a way, that in the North of the Peninsula, especially in the regions of Galicia, León, Castile, Cantabria, Asturias, Basque provinces, Navarre, Aragon and Catalonia, the number of Nordids was quite big and the average height increase substantially. The Nordid blood partly got lost during the continuous war that supposed the Reconquest (Reconquista) of the peninsula, the conquest of America and the European wars. And also because naturally finish being mixed with the rest of the Mediterranid population. Because this reason still there is a great amount of the Spanish Mediterraneans that have a major or minor portion of Nordid blood in his veins, so though in successive crossings, some blood might have got lost, in others it might survive, since the Nordid population from the ancient times in Spain was quite abundant in his half north and this can be observed and demonstrated in many paintings and ancient representations.

http://images.google.es/images?hl=es&q=cantigas&sa=N&tab=wi

The Nordid type of the football player that I have attached I would say that is not very common, because he looks rather a type with certain robustness and therefore it would enter better inside the group of the robust Nordids. Possibly this type could not be not more than 2 % in the whole peninsula, I mean, the very robust Nordid type that time to time can be possible to observe here. Coon say that the predominant type among the Spanish Nordids was a slightly small and delicate type. But Bañuelos affirms that the fair Spanish are less slender, more robust and in general they have more correct lines compared with the current Nordids that can be observed in many other countries, probably because the blend between Nordids and Atlantids, for example, is more harmonious.


Is the Swede from Lundborg classified as Gothic, or do you interpret it as such? Can you please state the source of the book? Thanks for posting them both.

Lundborg just classify the Swede as Nordic and I took the example from RASSENKUNDE DES SCHEDISCHEN VOLKES, I think that you interpret “Gothic” as Gota, so I post the exemple as good Gota type. I have posted the Spaniard soccer player because he resembles to me one of the examples posted by you and I thought interesting to compare.


I will add some pictures that wish you will find interesting.

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:33 PM
All the examples I add can be not Nordids in pure form but pred. Nordids.

Historical personalities.

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:36 PM
Examples from anthropological books.

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:40 PM
Examples from today.

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:43 PM
Some more examples.

visigodo
Friday, November 11th, 2005, 09:52 PM
The end.

Siegmund
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 02:41 AM
Thread reopened for sensible, on topic discussion. Further ad hominems, ad gentems or trolling will be handled impartially in accordance with the Rules (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=2729).

Skildur
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 02:47 AM
Examples from today.

Very nice. Some of them are quite extreme types, me thinks.

visigodo
Wednesday, November 16th, 2005, 01:19 PM
Agreed with our good King Jaume I, El Conqueridor, and the others. But I would be very wary of the representations of the Catholic Kings.

First off, the picture provided is a romantic representation of a much late period, like this other:

http://www.archimadrid.es/princi/princip/otros/docum/revhis/imagenes/reyes.gif

Secondly, while I believe that Queen Isabel of Castille has been described as having red hair (or maybe red highlights?). As for the alleged Gothic origin of such traits, it is speculation as one should not forget that Queen Isabel was the grand-daughter of Catalina (Catherine?) of Lancaster (it was uncommon for the Hispanic monarchs to marry outside the royal families of the Hispanic Kingdoms). Further, Queen Isabel's husband, King Ferran (Fernando) of Aragon and Catalonia, was of dark hair judging by the portraits of the time, AND they belonged to the same lineage, that of the Trastámara (a Castillian lineage which passed to Aragon and Catalonia).

Find attached actual portraits of both.

Thanks for the pictures and comments.

I wanted to add Queen Isabel de Castilla as a example of woman with Nordid influences (Very pale skin, blue or grey eyes, probably with dark blonde hair -not sure about red hair-) of course we can not say that she had a pure Visigothic ancestors line, as you remark well she was grand-daughter of Catalina de Lancaster (I add picture). The parents of her were Juan II de Castilla (There is not good represantations, but I post one) and Doña Isabel de Portugal. Grand-father was Enrique III de Castilla (I add representation) Regarding Fernando el católico, he has not Nordid features, that is clear, even he had one jewish grand-mother.

dehook
Friday, November 25th, 2005, 07:25 PM
An Englishman of Göta type: Jonathan Ansell from Bognor Regis, West Sussex.

Glenlivet
Friday, November 25th, 2005, 07:57 PM
Good example. ;)


An Englishman of Göta type: Jonathan Ansell from Bognor Regis, West Sussex.

Väring
Tuesday, April 25th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Johan Widerberg.

http://www.geocities.com/en_sida_av_johan/bilder/johan_pegasus.jpg

http://www.celebritywonder.com/mp/2000_Under_the_Sun/helena_bergstrom_johan_widerberg_under_t he_sun_001.jpg

Ossian
Friday, April 28th, 2006, 06:38 PM
Yes, he's an excellent example of the type. Here's another good portrait picture, but this time in colour.


http://www.geocities.com/en_sida_av_johan/bilder/kupe2_1.jpg

Väring
Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 06:18 PM
1. Malin Ewerlöf
2. Erica Johansson

GreenEyes
Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 08:08 PM
What is the gothic type? I didn't really see anything on SNPA (unless I'm just not looking hard enough). :)

Nicola_Canadian
Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 08:13 PM
1. Malin Ewerlöf
2. Erica Johansson

Malin has Med influence while Erica is mostly CM...
BTW what is gothic type? :D

Lissu
Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 10:15 PM
Malin has Med influence while Erica is mostly CM...
BTW what is gothic type? :DI suppose Väring means Göta, which is pretty much the same as Hallstatt.

Me neither can see these ladies as Göta..... :|

larcher
Sunday, May 7th, 2006, 11:18 PM
What is the gothic type? I didn't really see anything on SNPA (unless I'm just not looking hard enough). :)
Gothic probably means raw Germanic.

Galaico
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:22 PM
Gothic type is the translation for Götatyp

Theudiskaz
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:28 PM
They look too robust in their skulls to be Goeta, there's definitely something else at work.

Sigurd Volsung
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:34 PM
They look too robust in their skulls to be Goeta, there's definitely something else at work. Some U.P. influence is possibly present with these two individuals.

Lissu
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 03:37 PM
They look too robust in their skulls to be Goeta, there's definitely something else at work.I agree.

However it seems that Scandonordid type is quite difficult to distinguish on women. Or perhaps my standards for Nordid are simply too high. Anyway pure Nordid type is more manly thing IMO :) Nordid women almost always seem to have an UP element of some sort.

Galaico
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 05:11 PM
I think this woman is quite a good example of non-Scandinavian Hallstatt type, though some other influences might be present.

vingul
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 06:50 PM
"Gothic type" is a somewhat rough translation of Götatyp, only slightly imprecise. Lundman's reference is to the Swedish region of Götaland, not to the Goths. However, the terms are most likely cognate, and e.g. Göteborg is transcribed "Gothenburg" in English, so there you go.

I do not think any of the women posted are type specimens of Götatyp (= "Hallstatt Nordic", "Østerdal type"). CM admixture is indicated. However, the Nordid element seems to dominate.

Theudiskaz
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 07:46 PM
These are some the best living examples of Hallstatt and/or possbily Goeta womenI have found . The best examples of Goeta women I have ever seen are probably among the Portraits by the artist Wolfgang Willrich.
http://i1.tinypic.com/xgi3o6.jpg
http://i3.tinypic.com/xgi5xd.jpg

Ignore girl on left.http://i3.tinypic.com/xgi9lt.pnghttp://i3.tinypic.com/xgeas2.jpg

Nicola_Canadian
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 07:56 PM
http://i3.tinypic.com/xgeas2.jpg

Imho, very good example of Halstatt on the right... You can also compare the two... BTW, is it just me, but I kinda don't see anything feminine in her... A woman on the left seems way more feminine... Hmmm Imho Nordic or CM man is the most attractive (and Masculine), while an extremely Nordic woman is not as beautiful (& feminine) as some Batid/Falid or even Med women are... :-) Maybe because a "Gracilization" makes them look more feminine and "graceful"?

Theudiskaz
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 08:00 PM
Well that woman is at least middle aged and she is squinting. Of course not all Hallstatts are attractive. But a very pure Nordic, like a Goeta should be quite gracile like a Mediterranean. The girl in the top picture is very Nordic and she's pretty.

Lissu
Monday, May 8th, 2006, 08:25 PM
http://i3.tinypic.com/xgeas2.jpg

Imho, very good example of Halstatt on the right... You can also compare the two... BTW, is it just me, but I kinda don't see anything feminine in her... A woman on the left seems way more feminine... Hmmm Imho Nordic or CM man is the most attractive (and Masculine), while an extremely Nordic woman is not as beautiful (& feminine) as some Batid/Falid or even Med women are... :-) Maybe because a "Gracilization" makes them look more feminine and "graceful"?The woman on the left also seems to be overweighted. She might give more Nordid impression if she were of normal weight. And, the woman on the right could be even twice as old as the woman on the left.

I agree, however, extremely Nordid women are usually very androgynous or even masculine, so it could be that they might not be as attractive to men than their less Nordid sisters.

But, beauty is in the eye of beholder... :)

Väring
Thursday, May 11th, 2006, 04:35 PM
What is the gothic type?

A form of Scando-Nordid, same as the Göta type.


Description: The type predominate in Southwestern Scandinavia and the characteristics are a long and narrow face, low skull (HLI approx. 68-69), sloping forehead which is rounded and weak towards the temples, pointed/sharp chin, ash-blonde hair and an unsually high frequency of pure light blue eyes in the folk stock (Lundman, 1940, 1946). The type is usually of sparse build (Lundman, 1962). Distribution: mainly eastern England and Scotland, Northwestern Germany, Southern Jutland and Eastern Norway, Southwestern Sweden and up to Värmland and western Dalarna.

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=42505