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Loki
Thursday, September 4th, 2003, 10:35 AM
http://www.iwf.org.uk/about/policies/hogde3-2.htm


This part is quite interesting:


Holocaust Denial

54. Holocaust denial is essentially the practice of denying or questioning either the existence of the Holocaust or the basic historical facts of the Holocaust. Holocaust denial sites form a significant proportion of hate sites on the Internet.


The Law

55. Holocaust denial per se is not an offence in the United Kingdom. Unlike other European countries the UK has no specific Holocaust denial law.


56. The Attorney General has confirmed that whilst Holocaust denial material is “undoubtedly offensive and its content untruthful”, it is not generally insulting within the meaning of section 19 {of the 1986 Act}. Therefore the incitement to racial hatred laws do not generally cover Holocaust denial material.


57. In 1996 after copies of “66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust” was distributed to schools in Hemel Hempstead, the CPS concluded the material was not “insulting” in the context of the Act.


When Holocaust denial material can be illegal

58. Holocaust denial material has been prosecuted, but where it forms part of a wider anti-Semitic campaign and therefore directly linked to racial hatred. In this way Lady Birdwood was successfully prosecuted for her anti-Semitic publications, which frequently referred to the “Holocaust Myth”. In March 1997 three Combat 18 members were sentenced to 18 months imprisonment for distributing hate material including Holocaust denial newsletters. In May 1998 two leading BNP members (Nick Griffin and Paul Ballard) were given suspended sentences for publishing an edition of “The Rune” magazine which included a Holocaust denial article.


59. In short, where there is evidence that Holocaust denial is expressed in a threatening, abusive or insulting way and linked to anti-Semitism or racism and intended to incite hatred then the material can be considered illegal.

Nordgau
Thursday, September 4th, 2003, 11:15 AM
Damned "racism" and "anti-discrimination" laws. They are just an instrument to surpress political opposition and so indifferent defined and arbitrary that "right wingers" are forced to shut up about everything real critical to multi-culturalism and the system.

And never will in Europe a coloured man be imprisoned for hatred against the white race nor will a communist for playing down or praising Communist murders or Stalinist Gulags.

I hope that this whole repression system will come to a point where it suddenly overdrives itself, gets out of control and collapses. They can surpress little groups who are on the margin of society and are ignored, but they coudn't work with the same kind of oppression against a racialist party that would get suddenly 30 % of the votes and had 100,000s of members among ordinary people all around the country.

Tryggvi
Friday, September 5th, 2003, 06:56 AM
Damned "racism" and "anti-discrimination" laws. They are just an instrument to surpress political opposition and so indifferent defined and arbitrary that "right wingers" are forced to shut up about everything real critical to multi-culturalism and the system.

And never will in Europe a coloured man be imprisoned for hatred against the white race nor will a communist for playing down or praising Communist murders or Stalinist Gulags.

I hope that this whole repression system will come to a point where it suddenly overdrives itself, gets out of control and collapses. They can surpress little groups who are on the margin of society and are ignored, but they coudn't work with the same kind of oppression against a racialist party that would get suddenly 30 % of the votes and had 100,000s of members among ordinary people all around the country.
Unfortunately, these laws are designed in a way that they succesfully prohibit that a real anti-system party could ever grow that strong. It would be banned as long as the party is small, weak, and its leaders unknown.

(There is a passage about destroying the best amongst your enemies as long as they are unknown and have little support in the Protocols of Zion, but that's mere coincidence, of course.)

+Suomut+
Thursday, September 11th, 2003, 05:18 AM
I think what many folks in the 'racialist/racist' movements fail to realize is that the whole 'Holocaust' issue is rather like a double-edged sword. For those who use the whole issue to their advantage, typically 'jews,' the intention is to use it thus: "you will not be allowed to do this again to us." BUT, what they fail to realize is that this whole issue can also be used AGAINST them thus: "YOU! will NOT! be allowed to do this sort of activity AGAINST my folk either!" In other words, "YOU! will NOT! be allowed to EXTERMINATE! (regardless of the method) my folk EITHER!" Once this sort of view is spread far and wide enough among certain populations, then this whole "Holocaust" industry becomes rather self-destructive. The view being a fostering of the idea of CONTRADICTION thus,: "OK, it's OK for YOU! to STOP! the forces at work to DESTROY YOU, but it's NOT! OK for ME to STOP! the forces at work to DESTROY ME!"

OR the alternative being: the "Holocaust" was a FRAUD, and BOTH SIDES! can forget the whole thing...BACK to 'square-one.' Then, all that has gone on for over 1/2 century now could be buried in the ground along with all the other "lies" of history that have long been forgotten by many.

I took a class in college on modern German history and had to endure a good 1/3 of it dealing with the whole "Holocaust" issue. I was the ONLY! guy/gal (professor included) in a class of about 15 that was on the OTHER side of the issue. After the class, though, after a little thought, I decided I was on neither side of the issue. I really don't care who's right. The side I'm on could WIN! on this whole issue if it KNEW how to WISELY fight it! Unfortunately, there aren't too many folks on my side that know how to use their heads.

There are ALL sorts of 'Holocausts' going on right now before us...but these aren't getting the MEDIA! attention. The 'wicked' are winning...but in the end, I believe, they loose. Mark my words. :-|

clucer
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 06:15 AM
The curious thing concerning the "Holocaust" is that no real proof has ever been put forward concerning its day to day operation. It isn't enough to say, "here are pictures of the camps, this is where they were gassed and this is where they were cremated." I would like to have some real numbers about such things as (!) how they were transported & cost; (2) what was the cost of cremating so many bodies in terms of the efficiency of the crematoria, the fuel: cost & kind. Neither has the large number of Europeans who were supposedly interned accounted for. It's always the "JEWS" and it's only they who have suffered. There are many other questions that people might want answered. It's not that I don't believe a great many people died because they did. I really tired of paying TRIBUTE to Israel and and listening to their BS in general and fighting their fights. I'm sure the people of Germany that are my age who had nothing to do with the war are tired of paying TRIBUTE and being villified without cause. How come no one talks about the Jewish commissars who decimated Russia? They spitefully use us.

Fenris
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 06:41 AM
The recently dead (hurrah!) nazi-hunting opportunist jew Simon Weisenthal did have the idea of adding an "arbitrary" number of dead non-jewish Europeans just to fuel the flame of anti-German sentiment and draw peoples attention to the "Holocaust," but he also said in the same breath to make said number less than the number of dead jews so that "their suffering was not diminished."

Their persistent use of the holocaust as a crutch is becoming identical to the entitlement and persecution complex mentality of the blacks in America who to this day demand reparation from the US government because their ancestors were slaves. What they fail to take into account (or more likely they conveniently ignore) is that their own people sold them down the river. So too is it the case with the holocaust, jews got themselves into it, it's their own fault. Germany isn't the first nation that made a concerted effort to rid itself of jewish influence, there've been countless nations and empires throughout history that have realised the corrupt jewish viper they were nestling in their bosom and rid themselves of it. The only difference between these previous nations and Germany during WW2 is that the jews had time to spread like a cancer throughout every civilised country in the world and get their fingers deeply and inextricably affixed in said countries central nervous systems.

Note that as per usual, the protracted suffering, genocide and repression levied upon whites (during the christianisation of Europe) is downplayed, even by other whites, while the suffering of outsiders is rammed down our throats from all angles.