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GreenHeart
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 05:38 PM
I'm wondering if Satan corresponds to any of the Nordo-Germanic gods. I cant seem to find any referrences to it but I imagine he would be if "Satan" is truly the creator of mankind, the Germanians wouldnt have left him out!

CountBloodSpawn
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 10:05 PM
I'm wondering if Satan corresponds to any of the Nordo-Germanic gods. I cant seem to find any referrences to it but I imagine he would be if "Satan" is truly the creator of mankind, the Germanians wouldnt have left him out!

Satan is the eternal accuser and adversary and hidden esoteric secrets and what lies beyond humanity...some of this theology has some stuff in common with Nordic theology

Odin the wanderer hung on the tree of knowledge for hidden esoteric secrets...Loki and Odin alike share somewhat of an accuser/adversary aspect plus the accuser/adversary like philosophy of non-dualism(lack of concept of good and evil) that goes with some nordic theology

Aragorn
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 10:47 PM
Some wise men said that satan is the eternal jew, der ewige jude.

CountBloodSpawn
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Some wise men said that satan is the eternal jew, der ewige jude.

despite what you may think LeVay is nothing but an atheist and a humanist who pretends to be scary to get tax exception HAHAHAHAHA!!!

GreenHeart
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Satan is the eternal accuser and adversary and hidden esoteric secrets and what lies beyond humanity...some of this theology has some stuff in common with Nordic theology

Odin the wanderer hung on the tree of knowledge for hidden esoteric secrets...Loki and Odin alike share somewhat of an accuser/adversary aspect plus the accuser/adversary like philosophy of non-dualism(lack of concept of good and evil) that goes with some nordic theology

That's interesting. Somehow I was associating him with Freyr, but on the other hand, Odin, Vili and Ve were supposed to have created humankind in nordo-germanic mythology.

I think the esoteric is the most interesting subject I've come across yet, and I cant get enough of it.

GreenHeart
Saturday, October 8th, 2005, 11:00 PM
despite what you may think LeVay is nothing but an atheist and a humanist who pretends to be scary to get tax exception HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Agreed... :D

Jack
Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 01:50 AM
I'm wondering if Satan corresponds to any of the Nordo-Germanic gods. I cant seem to find any referrences to it but I imagine he would be if "Satan" is truly the creator of mankind, the Germanians wouldnt have left him out!

I'm not aware of what gods to compare with the Christian idea of Satan. If we were to compare from Hellenic mythology, however, I'd say Dionysus and Prometheus.

CountBloodSpawn
Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 02:08 AM
I'm not aware of what gods to compare with the Christian idea of Satan. If we were to compare from Hellenic mythology, however, I'd say Dionysus and Prometheus.

Bacchus and Faunus especially

Siegmund
Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 04:21 AM
I'm wondering if Satan corresponds to any of the Nordo-Germanic gods.
In the traditional view of Satan as the Christian devil: Loki (http://silvana.itgo.com/loki.htm), the trickster.

In the LHP view of Satan as the bringer of light: Baldur (http://silvana.itgo.com/balder.htm), the shining god.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 03:29 PM
What an interesting question comrade NordicPower88!

Many wonder who Satan is and what he stands for. I believe Satan is many things and stands for wisdom, power and strenght, not to forget creativity. Satan or the devil is a name given by the Jews to the burning faustian spirit, the faustian spirit of Aryan man, a spirit wich is creativity and and wisdom seeking. They gave the spirit a character, an archetype - Satan. Satan is the adversary of the Jews and their greedy tribal God, Jehova. So Satan is the symbol of the spirit of Aryan man in struggle with the culture disorters and their feeble demiurge, Jehova. Hail Satan!

I reccomend looking at these threads for more info on the subject:
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=316622 (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=316622#post316622)
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=309501#post309501

This is what Kerry Bolton has said about Satan:


Since the Hebrew culture is an amalgam and adaptation of the various cultures encountered by the Hebrews, its should not be a surprise if "Satan" in NOT of Hebrew origin. The English "traditional Satanists" The Order of Nine Angles (who promote National Socialism as embodying our Aeonic destiny) trace the etymology of "Satan" to Greek, meaning "an accusation ([greek lettering unavailable]) from whence the Hebrew Satan, "the accuser". (It might be relevant to mention that the Grand Master of the ONA prior to the current one is a scholar who has translated several of the Greek classics). Others connect "Satan" to the Indo-Aryan SAT, the Dark entropic force infusing Nature (somewhat reminiscent of the recently discovered "dark mass" that physicists say permeates the cosmos). Many, probably most cultures have equivalents of this Dark Force. It is manifest in the creative/destructive power of SHIVA, and the cosmic interplay of Shakti/Shiva. It is represented in the Norse myth of Ragnarok where the dark hordes of Loki, Fenrir, et al. instigate the cosmic cataclysm which clears the way for a new cosmic order: a cyclic process of Creation/Destruction/Renewal, without which there would be stasis and decay.
This is from an Order of Nine Angels document:


...and also incorrectly - the figure of Satan Himself is commonly held to derive from the religion described in the Hebrew 'Old Testament', with the word "Satan" being regarded as derived from the Hebrew word for "accuser". In fact, the Hebrew word is itself derived from another word - an ancient Greek one. This Greek word - an is [/URL]http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=38157&stc=1&d=1124490312 - that is, 'an accusation', [See, for example, its use by Aeschylus - aitiau ekho.] and also 'cause' or 'foundation' or 'origin' of some-thing. In essence, Satan as a word represents (a) the prime cause of change, of human evolution; (b) 'Adversary' in the sense of opposing norm, the accepted, and this sense is still retained in the usage of 'Devil' (e.g. Devil's Advocate). The word 'Devil' is derived from the Greek word - [URL="http://showthread.php?p=309501#post309501"] (http://showthread.php?p=309501#post309501)http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=38158&stc=1&d=1124490312 - via the Latin "diabolus". The figure of Satan is thus seen to be not a Hebrew invention, as hitherto supposed, but in fact a representation of opposition, of Heresy: and a symbol of creative change.
From opposition there is a synthesis - the process of dialectical change which governs evolution.

GreenHeart
Sunday, October 9th, 2005, 03:45 PM
Yes, I'm speaking of the LHP view of satan, am not interested in the views of a jewish desert god religion... :arab :uhoh

I tend to view satan of course as an adversary to the judeo-christian NWO, but I wonder if satan ie: the creator of mankind, has a connection to Freyr, because he is a horned god, as was Freyr. I am unable to find anything on this subject doing a google search, mostly leads me to born again christian websites... :(

Jack
Monday, October 10th, 2005, 11:31 AM
I'm not aware of what gods to compare with the Christian idea of Satan. If we were to compare from Hellenic mythology, however, I'd say Dionysus and Prometheus.
Perhaps I'll elaborate for the sake of further evidencing my own genius to myself :D

Prometheus stole fire from the Gods, gave it to man, and was condemned. This roughly corresponds to the figure of the Satan/Lucifer as the bringer of light - as it was apparently Lucifer who told Adam to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge, and knowledge illuminates the darkness which is called ignorance. Likewise Lucifer being cast out of heaven during the first angel war (yes, there was a second - see the Book of Enoch) also bears similarities with Prometheus being punished by the Gods.

The comparison with Dionysus was, perhaps, less obvious. Dionysus, as pointed out by Nietzsche, is the god of intensive excess experience (unconstrained will to power) - and he is figured as the God of wine (or drunkeness). This fits fairly well with the seven deadly sins which are apparently cast by Lucifer upon 'unfortunate' souls, which break the solidifying effect of God's order on life. Wrath, greed, lust, sloth, gluttony, pride - these processes disconnect one from God's order and so cause what could be called an 'exception' to God's rule.

Rollon
Friday, October 21st, 2005, 03:52 PM
Actually, Satan is hardly mentionned in the Old Testament. It is as if the Jews almost ignored it and as if only with the Christians did he take such prominence.

Evil, in the Old Testament, takes several forms. The word Satan comes from Shaitan, named in Job. There is also the snake in the Genesis, and the fallen angel Lucifer in the Genesis too. There are a couple of other fiends, such as Belzebuth (Baal Zebub, Lord of the Flies), and a whacky ram named here and there that seems to have finally passed his horns to the Christian Devil.

I really wonder to what extent these were one and the same for the Jews. The Jews were very prone to worship idols, as the Prophets know, and Salomon was one of the whackiest idol-worshippers of the Antiquity.

Actually, this concept of Satan, as the Devil, might have emerged with Christianity. It would derive from Persian Manicheism, an Aryan religion if I am correct, which sees the world as the fight between Darkness and Light. The Vril Society, in Germany, was a revival of a Manichean sect, the Marcionites, and they believed in the genuine Arianity of their doctrine.

Wjatscheslaw
Sunday, November 6th, 2005, 01:46 AM
I would say symplier - Satan is a god of ones neighbour. :D For Jews, that is some Aryan god..

Deling
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 10:43 AM
Is "Satan" really anything more than the anti-thesis of "God"/Jahve/Baal Saebot? A judaic dualism to differ their revealed "Baal Saebot" from the Sumerian, Hettite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Iranian (a.s.o) Gods existing in the cultural melting-pot that was Middle-East 2000-2500 years ago.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 03:36 PM
Is "Satan" really anything more than the anti-thesis of "God"/Jahve/Baal Saebot? A judaic dualism to differ their revealed "Baal Saebot" from the Sumerian, Hettite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Egyptian, Iranian (a.s.o) Gods existing in the cultural melting-pot that was Middle-East 2000-2500 years ago.
Yes, Satan is the anti-thesis of the Jewish god Yahve. The Jewish god Yahve is the archetype of the Jewish mentality. The anti-thesis of the Jewish mentality is the Aryan mentality and thus the Archetype of the Aryan mentality is Satan.

The character of Yahve is corruption and disortion. Yahve is an anti-freedom demiurge that enslaves people and makes them his minions. He forbids them to have any other god, they must only believe in him. If they do not follow his scum-like rules, he kills them with his corrupted wrath. He does not hesitate to drown the whole world or kill the babies of a whole city to punish. He is a symbol of anti-Nature and anti-Life.

The character of Satan is knowledge and freedom. Satan is a freedom-loving force which offers people wisdom, strength and power. He stands for anti-equality, creations and struggle (positive evolution). His followers may do as they wish and seek out their own paths. Satan brings people light. He is a symbol of pro-Nature and pro-Life.

That is how it is in dualism. But I dont follow dualism.

Deling
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 04:39 PM
"Yes, Satan is the anti-thesis of the Jewish god Yahve. The Jewish god Yahve is the archetype of the Jewish mentality. The anti-thesis of the Jewish mentality is the Aryan mentality and thus the Archetype of the Aryan mentality is Satan.

The character of Yahve is corruption and disortion. Yahve is an anti-freedom demiurge that enslaves people and makes them his minions. He forbids them to have any other god, they must only believe in him. If they do not follow his scum-like rules, he kills them with his corrupted wrath. He does not hesitate to drown the whole world or kill the babies of a whole city to punish. He is a symbol of anti-Nature and anti-Life.

The character of Satan is knowledge and freedom. Satan is a freedom-loving force which offers people wisdom, strength and power. He stands for anti-equality, creations and struggle (positive evolution). His followers may do as they wish and seek out their own paths. Satan brings people light. He is a symbol of pro-Nature and pro-Life.

That is how it is in dualism. But I dont follow dualism."

I believe that you aren't Dualist. You're Gnostic, as I've been since mid-teen years.
But you can't neglect that what you've written above, about the materialist-culprit Jews and the spirit-loving European, is a reversed dualism, even if it may be truth. But it isn't a dualism if Jews are only corrupted by the materialism, and can be purified.

Sigurd
Tuesday, November 8th, 2005, 10:22 PM
I'm wondering if Satan corresponds to any of the Nordo-Germanic gods. I cant seem to find any referrences to it but I imagine he would be if "Satan" is truly the creator of mankind, the Germanians wouldnt have left him out!

No but he most definitely corresponds to judeo-Christian Yahweh/God/Allah ;)

Wjatscheslaw
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 01:19 AM
The Jewish god Yahve is the archetype of the Jewish mentality. The anti-thesis of the Jewish mentality is the Aryan mentality and thus the Archetype of the Aryan mentality is
...any other Aryan god, what you wish.
I realize what you want to tell. ;) But let me remark that you discribe the situation as if Jews called White man to be a negro and then this White man imagened yourself to be that (:2BlahBlah ) negro... I do not object to be as 'evil' as Satan itself but not to worship that.


The character of Satan is knowledge and freedom. Satan is a freedom-loving force which offers people wisdom, strength and power. He stands for anti-equality, creations and struggle (positive evolution). His followers may do as they wish and seek out their own paths. Satan brings people light. He is a symbol of pro-Nature and pro-Life.
You speak here about paganic Lucifer!!!! Don't entangle them. ;)


That is how it is in dualism. But I dont follow dualism.
That's good, for the Life is infinite Wholeness.

Jack
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 02:42 AM
You speak here about paganic Lucifer!!!! Don't entangle them. ;)

Au contraire, Lucifer and Satan are the same thing. According to the Qu'ran, Satan was made of fire, man of clay, and God demanded that Satan bow to man. Satan, of course, did not, because it was a violation of the natural order (inferiors rank lower to superiors) and so refused, despite Gabriel beckoning him to submit. I've read elsewhere that Satan had already sworn to God earlier on that he would never bow to anyone else, and so God - for whatever reason (perfectly coherant with the gnostic conception of God as masked demon) - 'forgot' this and ordered Satan to bow before Adam. And so the first angel war begins.

Satan, of course, was cast out of heaven, he told man to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge (how enlightening ;)). God is mad, and Satan/Lucifer is preparing for the third angel war to overthrow God in his madness and restore the proper order.

Wjatscheslaw
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 03:09 AM
Anarch

Au contraire, Lucifer and Satan are the same thing.

As i know Lucifer is altered Apollo-n (Pheb).

You read Qu'ran!?

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 02:15 PM
Here are exerpts from articles about Otto Rahn and Lucifer.

"Rahn's research resulted in a book called Kreuzzug gegen den Gral ("Crusade Against the Grail"), published in 1933. Rahn believed that the Cathars were in fact descended of druids who converted to Manichaeism, and that is why they were guardians of the grail--both as descendants of a Celtic priesthood, and pure followers of Lucifer, the angel who brought knowledge to mankind and exposed the Demiurge..." http://www.maryjones.us/jce/rahn.html

"Rahn read from his newest work, "Luzifers Hofgesind" (Lucifer's Court Servants), which tells about his travels and findings in Southern France where he followed the traces of the Grail and the Albigenses (Cathars), the pure and true heretics, and from new viewpoints, he drew a prolific picture of this anti-Roman movement which also spread in Germany at that time. The lecture covered difficult material and required extreme discipline and alertness. It was a good sign for the symbioses of lecturer and audience that no word was lost and that the image of Lucifer, which Rahn celebrated with the Albigenses as the Bringer of Light, was most effective." - NEWSPAPER COVERAGE OF A
SPEECH BY OTTO RAHN

"Rahn set a new limit to the spirit tied to the Romans, to the belief in a life after death, and the fear of hell; he negated Yahweh and the Jewish teachings, and professed "Luzifer's Hofgesind" in whose name Kurt Eggers closed the evening with the following greeting: "Lucifer, who has been done wrong to, greets you."" - NEWSPAPER COVERAGE OF A
SPEECH BY OTTO RAHN. Both Otto Rahn and Kurt Eggers were SS men.

"The medieval Cathars believed in the existence of an eternal war between the principles of Light and Darkness on whose meetings and encounters everything in the universe was based. Darkness was for them dark matter, the unperfected, the transient. They identified all clerical and secular rulers, principally the Catholic Church as the personification of the Darkness. In their mythology the sun symbolised the primordial Light from which all life emerged. Miguel Serrano coined their doctrine: *Solar Kristianity. For Otto Rahn, Montsegur was the "Lighthouse of Catharism."" http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6824/otto.htm

"During the time when the walls of Montsegur were still standing, the Cathars kept the Holy Grail there. Montsegur was in danger. The armies of Lucifer had besieged it. They wanted the Grail, to restore it to their Prince's diadem from which it had fallen during the fall of his angels."
"In the house of the Light-Bringer there is much light! More light than in the houses of God, the cathedrals and churches into which Lucifer could not find and did not want to find because of the dark windowpanes on which Jewish prophets and apostles or Roman Gods and saints are painted." Otto Rahn, Lucifer's Court." - Otto Rahn

Jack
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Anarch
You read Qu'ran!?

I read most of it when I was fourteen, yes. Without Islam, it's more than likely I wouldn't be here right now posting on this forum. I turned - permanently - to nationalism via a rather unorthodox route.

Wjatscheslaw
Wednesday, January 4th, 2006, 02:11 AM
1. Christians are spiritually Semits.
2. Without christian' God there is not their Satan. All both exist's only in brainless heads of the followers of Jew which was executed because was the criminal.

Adam Weisshaupt
Wednesday, January 4th, 2006, 08:10 AM
No Satan, no God

Easy


Jews and the rest

Easier

(A little mor description could be helpful) Mor than two lines and a few words.

Regards,

M.,