View Full Version : Jew: "Europe should learn from the US and follow the example of Californication"

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 05:07 PM
I can't believe what I've read here....

I have a dream that one day Alfred Rosenberg, the Nazi ideologist of racial purity, will be brought back from hell to sit by the path that runs along the foothills above Stanford University. Let him sit there for an hour and watch them all jogging past: the Japanese-American, six-foot tall and built like a Texan quarterback, the Hispanic-American, the Iranian-Italian-American, the Scandinavian-Chinese-American, the German-Irish-Indian-American, sporting every shade of skin colour and variation of physiognomy, often in quite beautiful combinations. Then let Herr Rosenberg die again, of shock at this irrevocable confounding of Nazi dreams.

Californication, to steal a phrase from the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, is perhaps the ultimate answer to the problem of racial difference. If men and women were consistently to pay no regard at all to race or ethnicity when they chose whom they wanted to have children with, and those children and their children's children were to continue in the same way, you would eventually reach the point where the premises not just of racial stereotyping but also of affirmative action and "ethnic" quotas would be undermined. Your census answer to the question "ethnic group?" would read simply "human".

This experiment in becoming simply human is currently most advanced in the relatively prosperous, liberal democratic immigrant societies of the Anglosphere: Australia, Canada, the United States and Britain. It looks so easy - just take one man and one woman, and mix - but the conditions, cultural, social, economic and political, that allow these young combo-Californians to emerge are actually complex, delicate and demanding. Even here, in one of the most privileged corners of one of the richest and most naturally blessed states of one of the most open and free countries on earth, the process is recent, tense and contested.

"America is God's Crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of Europe are melting and reforming," wrote the Russian-Jewish playwright Israel Zangwill in 1908. But it was, precisely, the races of Europe that he saw melting together. As my Oxford colleague Desmond King shows in his splendid book Making Americans, the United States' 1924 Immigration Act imposed quotas which perpetuated the preponderance of white European immigrants. Only since that provision was finally revoked in 1965 have the millions of new Americans come in from Asia, Africa and Latin America. In 1960, just 16 million Americans did not trace their ancestry to Europe; now it's 80 million. When Richard Nixon became president in 1969 there were only some 9 million people in America who had been born abroad; now there are at least 30 million. Roughly one in every four of today's Californians was born outside the US. And they come from everywhere. If you look down the line of check-out assistants at Safeway or Fry's Electronics, all the peoples of the earth seem to be represented - and they all say "Have a nice day".

Moreover, it was only in the 1960s that African-Americans ceased to be routinely discriminated against in law in many parts of the US. Attending a concert by the great jazz pianist Harold Maburn it suddenly hit me that this brilliant and hugely dignified musician must have spent his youth, in Memphis, Tennessee, being categorised as an inferior human being. Dr Condoleezza Rice, the United States' first ever African-American national security adviser, recently recalled before a gathering of black journalists how a childhood friend of hers, Denise McNair, was killed in the notorious racist bombing of a church in Birmingham, Alabama, in 1963.

What one might call the great mixing is a product of the last 40 years. Race is still a source of the most electric tension in the United States. Until Arnold Schwarzenegger - himself a first-generation immigrant - filed his papers to run for governor of California, the lead story on the television here (vying occasionally with Iraq) was the suit for alleged rape filed by a white woman against the black basketball hero, Kobe Bryant. According to a CNN/Gallup poll, 68% of black Americans asked thought the charge was false, compared with only half the white Americans; 68% of black respondents said they were "sympathetic" to Bryant, against only 40% of white. On Tuesday racist flysheets were distributed by a white supremacist group in the town where he is due to go on trial. The flysheets were reportedly headlined: "Don't have sex with blacks."

The great mixing is recent, tense - and contested. The rightwing American nationalist, Pat Buchanan, has recently out-spenglered Oswald Spengler (author of The Decline of the West) by publishing a book entitled The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil our Country and Civilization. Immigrant invasions! Adducing some of the statistics that I have just mentioned, Buchanan cries: "If Americans wish to preserve their civilization and culture, American women must have more children." So, all ye Daughters of the American Revolution, lie back and think of America.

Alternatively, one could hope that Californication works: that large numbers of people of immensely diverse racial, ethnic, religious and cultural backgrounds really can mix and blend while yet retaining a sufficiently common civic culture for America to survive as a free, democratic and self-confident nation. No one has ever done it before: not in America, not in Australia, not in Canada, let alone anywhere in Europe. Zangwill's Melting-Pot "melted and reformed", to the extent that it ever did, because there was a powerful and attractive Anglophone culture, to which the incoming, largely European minorities adapted. As an astute columnist once remarked, there were not just Wasps - White Anglo-Saxon Protestants - but also Casps (Catholic Anglo-Saxon Protestants), Jasps (Jewish Anglo-Saxon Protestants) and Basps (Black Anglo-Saxon Protestants). No longer. The incoming numbers are too large and diverse, the Wasp role-model too contested.

The other day, I walked into the Stanford students' union foyer as an Islamic prayer meeting was just dispersing. The young women all wore head-scarves, but if you had only heard a tape-recording of their conversations at parting you would not have been able to distinguish them, by accent, vocabulary or tone ("Ok guys-like-whatever") from any other American students. If there is a society on earth that can still perform the extraordinary feat of forging some sort of unity out of such diversity - e pluribus unum, as the coins say - it is America.

Who, besides the Americans themselves, has the greatest stake in their succeeding? We Europeans do. Look at the demographic map of the world, and you will see one continent above all that needs either a massive baby boom or large-scale immigration to sustain its ageing population. That continent is Europe. Much of our immigration is likely to come from the Muslim world. In theory, it should be easier for Turks, Moroccans, Algerians and Pakistanis to feel at home in Europe than in America, because Europe is just a loose, diverse continent rather than a single nation. In practice, it's the other way round. So we should learn from the Americans. What Europe needs is more Californication.

Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1018390,00.html (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.guar dian.co.uk%2Fusa%2Fstory%2F0%2C12271%2C1 018390%2C00.html)

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 05:58 PM
It's happening, but people are awakening. A couple thousand attend Nationalist events all over Europe.

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 06:32 PM
What a revolting article.
The first part is a sickening, gloating, triumphalist piece.
He's basically telling everyone to become blind to race, to become unaware, to tale no pride in heritage but just to mix with no thought or regard on that matter. Simply close your mind and follow his instructions.
It's all personal opinion. There is no fact contained in that article whatsoever. It would be interesting to know the racial make-up of the author.

As for digging up dead Nazis to gloat about the failure of their policies in front of them before burying them again, I sense this little fantasy is the product of a sick mind, indeed.

A thoroughly dislikeble individual who has only accomplished one thing, to reveal his own nasty nature.
He'll probably get his name in the Queen's honours list and maybe advanced a degree in his lodge for that.

Only one use for that article I can see...... :toilet

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 06:42 PM
The only way can ideas can be beaten out of the minds of these people is when there would happen a little bit "Californication" in their own private life: theyself beaten up by Mestizos, their property robbed, their cars burnt, their daughters raped by Negroes.
These people preach multiculturalism while being safe away from the reality of the multiculturalist society they create. Phantasies of sick feuilletonists and Salon-Multiculturalists. A horror vision. It's getting harder and harder for me to call that "idealism", even a false one...

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 08:05 PM
I can't believe what I've read here....


He uses the term "experiment". Were the people effected by this asked if they wished to be the object of an "experiment"? Was it presented to them as that?

As someone that is an American I can tell you the answer is no, they were not.

Prior to America's 1965 Immigration Act being made law, the question had been asked with concern if the demographics of America would change (it was then 90% Europeon, ten percent African). Americans were told no, it would not, that the demographics of the nation that had been kept roughly the same as they had been at the founding in 1776 would stay as they were. America is now at 70% Europeon thanks primarily to the Immigration Act and massive illegal immigration.

The people who promoted the act lied as they are now to you in Europe.

They do not tell you of the the destruction of our American cities and the massive increases of crime since that "Act" was signed. They do not tell you of what awaits your cities in those places of Europe as yet not to have been effected by the grand "experiment" that he wants for you so badly.

In the early 1960's there was a popular song in America called "Downtown". The song spoke of downtown as a place where a person could go to "forget all your troubles, forget all your cares" as there was so much to do there. Now such a song would never be popular as it would be so clearly a fraud.

In between the lines of what this person has written is the murder of entire Europeon peoples. Whether it is done by guns or by "breeding them out of existence" it is the same.


Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 08:27 PM
OMG, how can anyone be that ignorant?

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 08:45 PM
Apparently, not everyone is as happy with 'californication' as Timothy.

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 08:55 PM
What a revolting article.

I entirely agree.

I did not finish it as it was beginningto make me physically ill.


Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 09:06 PM
As disgusting as the article is, one has to take it from where it comes: The Guardian. This is a liberalist newspaper, and is good for a few things, like Israel-bashing and opposing Tony Blair and George Bush as liars and warmongers. For the rest, it is merely a shallow, leftist paper which promotes multiculturalism and degeneration. Fortunately, the great majority of Europeans would not subscribe to this author's viewpoints. In fact, the last decade's tendency in Europe is one of moving towards the right, and in many cases, the "far-right" (also called extreme-right and ultra-right ;) ) of the political spectrum. Whether these new rightist parties will achieve anything worthwhile, remains to be seen. But what is sure, is that the people of Europe are already sick and tired of the hordes of untermenschen swarming into the continent, and they will not forever contend with lame and traitorous politicians.

Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 09:17 PM
The only way can ideas can be beaten out of the minds of these people is when there would happen a little bit "Californication" in their own private life: theyself beaten up by Mestizos, their property robbed, their cars burnt, their daughters raped by Negroes.
These people preach multiculturalism while being safe away from the reality of the multiculturalist society they create. Phantasies of sick feuilletonists and Salon-Multiculturalists. A horror vision. It's getting harder and harder for me to call that "idealism", even a false one...

Here in the states a few years back they attempted to place an art colony right in the middle of one of our worst slum areas in a major city. The idea being that everyone is all the same (after all) and they were going to show that white and black could live together in peace. Only imaginary fears kept people apart they said.

Well, after a few months, some of the art people began to be murdered, mugged, and raped. The art colony had to be shut down.

The city leaders that promoted the colony, rather than admit the truth that there is a problem of high crime within the black community, said it was the primarily white artists fault that it did not work. They had let "fear" decide what they would do they said.

"Multi-culturalism" is just about a religion with the people that want it. They are obsessed with equality and cannot acknowledge there are very real differences between peoples, that it does not mean one "hates" another to say or think that.