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hardcorps
Thursday, August 14th, 2003, 11:06 AM
Why?...Curiosity!

I'm interested in what percentage of us have served in the military in any capacity. I did a bit under two years in the Army Reserve. (This is no doubt rather meagre, but it strengthened me in some rather important ways I believe.)

I'm not implying anyone here should serve a national military force. Indeed there are many moral reasons not to, especially these days. If you wish to, feel free to elaborate on these here.

I imagine many of the Europeans would have had to do some such service as legal requirement.

BTW, I'm not asking for any personal details here. No 'whats,' 'whens,' 'hows' required - unless you want to divulge.

I'd like even those who have no such experience to vote, as I'm interested in the true percentage of us (male and female) with/without.

Ewergrin
Thursday, August 14th, 2003, 11:36 AM
Conflicting reasons have kept me from doing so. Also, as I get older, i realize it will only be harder. My best friend is, as we speak, in Marine basic training at Parris Island. He is 27! Can you imagine?

Phlegethon
Thursday, August 14th, 2003, 01:31 PM
Two days after graduating from gymnasium I started my military service. Because I was qualified and planning to study later on I went for the reserve officer career but the military intelligence service had other plans for a dissident like me. So I did my 12 months service in a NATO bataillon, did lots of maneuvers and left as corporal of the reserve. While almost everyone else who served with me was called in for reserve training at least once I never heard from the army again. Guess they were quite happy to get rid of me.

Milesian
Thursday, August 14th, 2003, 05:28 PM
Under other circumstances, I might consider some military service.
However, as a UK citizen I have too many issues preventing me from joining the British army.
The possibility of being called to serve in Nothern Ireland hardly helps.
In such a case, it would be better for both me and the army that I didn't join up ;)

Borivoj
Thursday, August 14th, 2003, 07:52 PM
I was a soldier in training, I think it is called a Cadet, for some years. I avoided compulsory military service however.

Phlegethon
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 02:28 PM
Yeah, it is esier to slip into the cadet program there, because the army is even more chaotically organized. In the German army since 1990 all applicants get screened automatically by the military intelligence. Otherwise I'd be captain by now - though in an increasingly multi-culti army. ;)

Sigrun Christianson
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 08:03 PM
I dated several military guys (not at the same time!). Does that count? ;)

Nordgau
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 09:36 PM
Ten months Bundeswehr. First two months of basic training, and then I spent the rest of the time in hanging around in an office: copying, cooking coffee, putting stamps on formulars... I was glad when I was out again. I didn't have any illusions about what the Bundeswehr means for policy and this whole system and society. I had some great friends and comrades there, but I didn't think one second that there was a personal future for me in that organisation. It was just around the time when this hateful anti-National Red-Green government learned that the army is an excellent tool to promote so-called "humanitarian", truly left "values" with force in other countries. The soldiers as useful idiots for those who never served their few months in the army. And if one doesn't need them immediately, they're something to despise and to spit at. - That's our system, our society.


I suppose that the Bundeswehr is the most anti-military military in the world. It often seemed to me more like a political correct debating club. If non-Germans still believe that such a thing like German militarism exists, they needn't worry.
The Bundeswehr isn't really a refuge of good values and Nationalism in a bad society. The concept is "the citizen in uniform". Yeah: the well-behaved BRD-citizen of this whole real today existing BRD-society in uniform, who thinks that everything, that's going on in society and politics is okay and fine. That's it!
Even if the average of single people in the army who are "right wing" in their views is higher (more in the lower ranks), taken all people and as organisation it isn't really different from society, and you havn't got the chance to act active towards such a "right" direction. The army is nothing but the instrument of today's disgusting politicians.

Götterschicksal
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 09:45 PM
Give me a land to fight for...

jab
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 10:48 PM
:sofa I did 2.5 years in the British Transport Police,
18 months in The City of London Police. As well as Home Dept training,
I did Major incident and Anti-terr course run by the Nju. That completes approx 4 yrs crown service. Rank Police Constable Professional.
I spent 3 years in the FCA The reserve Defence Force , an MP unit in Dublin, plus 1 week at the Curragh, although i came first in the NCOs exam, i was never promoted above private 3 stars. for me a Badge of honour . as The Commisar Danilov said In 'Enemy at the Gates'.,' ITS THE ESSENCE of CLASS STRUGGLE'. I hold an Irish Army record for putting 5, .22 bullets through the bullseye at 25 yrds potholeing it with a .22 insert put into an Fal . no other soldier ever achieved this. Oh i also had a Tribunal recommend in England that Irishmen who serve in The British Police be given Ethnic minority status. . so this is why The Free state Army were ordered to show me no respect . as a Dissen :evil ter . I have both Military and Police, experience so do i get Two votes? :king

Ewergrin
Friday, August 15th, 2003, 11:42 PM
Give me a land to fight for...


Being an American, my sentiments exactly.

Milesian
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 12:01 AM
Served the Crown and the Rep.?
That's quite a mix! :)

I considered asking the PDF once if they would accept a non-national.
Would they, or would I have to get one of my parents to sign the Foreign Births Register, then do so myself to get Irish Citizenship?
(I missed the boat by one generation) :(

Demigorgona
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 12:20 AM
Well I applied to Regular Forces when I was 17. I passed all the tests easily and was going into Radio Operator as my trade.

Fortunately I changed my mind when I discovered I had the chance to go to Cuba and take in some sun. lol

I think the discipline would have done me good however. Oh well.

I am thinking of taking a forest fire fighting course and do forest firefighting next summer. It would sure beat a construction job. heh

I'm a skinhead too ...

Scáthach
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 12:34 AM
I hold an Irish Army record for putting 5, .22 bullets through the bullseye at 25 yrds potholeing it with a .22 insert put into an Fal . no other soldier ever achieved this :king

wow...you get my two votes! :thumbup

Ewergrin
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 12:40 AM
Well I applied to Regular Forces when I was 17. I passed all the tests easily and was going into Radio Operator as my trade.

Fortunately I changed my mind when I discovered I had the chance to go to Cuba and take in some sun. lol

I think the discipline would have done me good however. Oh well.

I am thinking of taking a forest fire fighting course and do forest firefighting next summer. It would sure beat a construction job. heh

I'm a skinhead too ...



Going to Cuba to get a suntan? Doesn't sound like typical skinhead behaviour to me...A construction job would have gotten you the same tan.

Also, since when does being a skinhead qualify as some sort of military experiance? I noticed it was coupled with LEO's. That seems like an oxymoron, to me.

Demigorgona
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 05:48 AM
pfft I may be a skinhead, but I'm also a female. That is why I would chose going on a vacation to somewhere i had never been before and lay around at the beach over working all summer. I was working at the time as well, but I was allowed to take the two weeks off. In any case I am glad I decided against working for ZOG.

hardcorps
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 07:37 AM
:sofa I did 2.5 years in the British Transport Police,
18 months in The City of London Police. As well as Home Dept training,
I did Major incident and Anti-terr course run by the Nju. That completes approx 4 yrs crown service. Rank Police Constable Professional.
I spent 3 years in the FCA The reserve Defence Force , an MP unit in Dublin, plus 1 week at the Curragh, although i came first in the NCOs exam, i was never promoted above private 3 stars. for me a Badge of honour . as The Commisar Danilov said In 'Enemy at the Gates'.,' ITS THE ESSENCE of CLASS STRUGGLE'. I hold an Irish Army record for putting 5, .22 bullets through the bullseye at 25 yrds potholeing it with a .22 insert put into an Fal . no other soldier ever achieved this. Oh i also had a Tribunal recommend in England that Irishmen who serve in The British Police be given Ethnic minority status. . so this is why The Free state Army were ordered to show me no respect . as a Dissen :evil ter . I have both Military and Police, experience so do i get Two votes? :king

My hat goes off to you! :knight

hardcorps
Saturday, August 16th, 2003, 08:10 AM
Also, since when does being a skinhead qualify as some sort of military experiance? I noticed it was coupled with LEO's. That seems like an oxymoron, to me.

I deemed it as being in the 'or related' category because the Skinheads have a few things in common with a military structure. These features are not true of all Skins without a doubt.

In particular, Skins usually share the following features with an army: they have a type of rank structure (even if largely unspoken); they are fond of weaponry and have an understanding of it higher than the average lemming; their subculture glorifies soldierly qualities like loyalty, courage and comradeship.

Also, a lot of them have seen more 'combat' than modern western soldiers. (I'm reminded here of the 'war stories' of AryanSoldier - http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=14976&postcount=40 .)


The 'or related' category includes groups that have a few things in common with real soldiery - although not neccesarily the same things - but are not quite 'the full bottle.' The 'etc' leaves it a little bit open. I leave it to the individual's honesty to decide. Some Skins and security guards don't qualify. OTOH some other types, likes those who were deeply into cadets, would qualify in this secondary category.

Phlegethon
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 10:02 AM
Well I applied to Regular Forces when I was 17.

Canada has an army? ;)


I deemed it as being in the 'or related' category because the Skinheads have a few things in common with a military structure. These features are not true of all Skins without a doubt.

Those skins I have met all got kicked out of the army in dishonor. Unfortunately the draft brings those people in, to be either disciplined or discharged when that fails.

With tattoos you're ineligible to join as professional soldier or soldier on time anyways. A wise policy of the German army.

Demigorgona
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 05:41 PM
Canada has an army? ;)


Yea and our Army has never lost a war. Can't say that about yours now can we :)

Ewergrin
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 05:48 PM
Yea and our Army has never lost a war. Can't say that about yours now can we :)


Yes. Everyone knows about the military powerhouse that is the Canadian Army. Lesser countries shriek in trepidation when Canada flexes its muscle.

Phlegethon
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 05:50 PM
Yeah, I remember those valiant Canadian skinhead elite troops that got court-martialled for sodomizing and killing captured Somalians a couple years ago. Awesome!

I also remember all those Canadian war cemeteries on Flanders' fields. Their troops got pretty much wiped out.

Demigorgona
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 06:01 PM
Remember Vimy Ridge Phleg? Canadian soldiers slaughtered German troops although the Canadians were at a disadvantage. The British had already tried winning Vimy Ridge. They could not do it. The Americans tried and they did worse then the Brits. The Canadians got up there and succeeded.

We may not have a lot of technology but our soldiers are trained a 100 times better then American soldiers. At war games we beat them constantly. They may have nice new weapons and uniforms. Not to mention bombs. But our troops actually have tests to pass before going into basic. Our troops are trained properly and unlike American soldiers the canadian ones are butt humping each other.

In any case does it really matter who has the best army?

Phlegethon
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 08:37 PM
Remember Vimy Ridge Phleg? Canadian soldiers slaughtered German troops although the Canadians were at a disadvantage.

And militarily that charge was complete insanity. ;)


The British had already tried winning Vimy Ridge. They could not do it.

Happened to them quite often in that war.


The Americans tried and they did worse then the Brits.

Does that surprise anyone here?


We may not have a lot of technology but our soldiers are trained a 100 times better then American soldiers.

True, but that really is no big deal. I was on a lot of maneuvers with NATO troops from the Netherlands, Belgium, the U.K., the U.S., Denmark and France - and even the Dutch were much more qualified than the G.I.s. And if you have ever seen a Dutch bataillon you will understand what that means. We all collectively made jokes about the yankees who always were looking for stuff they had lost, including trucks, fuel, firearms, ammo, soldiers, food. It was sooooo funny; you should have been there too watch.


At war games we beat them constantly. They may have nice new weapons and uniforms. Not to mention bombs. But our troops actually have tests to pass before going into basic. Our troops are trained properly and unlike American soldiers the canadian ones are butt humping each other.

Are they? Cool. Where do I have to sign? ;)

Phlegethon
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 08:42 PM
The Second Battle of Passchendaele alone cost the Canadian Corps 15,634 casualties. Not really a masterpiece.

Demigorgona
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 09:02 PM
AREN'T !!!

rofl that was one bad typo...

Milesian
Sunday, August 17th, 2003, 09:16 PM
Phew! Glad that was a typo.
As time was going on I was becoming increasingly worried that you had actually meant that ;)

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Tuesday, August 19th, 2003, 05:25 AM
Yeah, I remember those valiant Canadian skinhead elite troops that got court-martialled for sodomizing and killing captured Somalians a couple years ago. Awesome!


You mean the Airborne regiment? haha. And that was not just a few years ago, but a decade ago, old man ;)

Here, you can read about their most interesting exploits:

"The Canadian military is sick right to its bones" :cheer

(http://%3Cbr%20/%3E%0A%3Ca%20href=%22http://www.socialism.com/fsarticles/vol18no1/canada181.html%22%20target=%22_blank%22% 3Ehttp://www.socialism.com/fsarticles/vol18no1/canada181.html%3C/a%3E)http://www.socialism.com/fsarticles/vol18no1/canada181.html

Demigorgona
Wednesday, August 20th, 2003, 03:38 PM
pfft You wish I were sexually harassing you. Too much of a man for me? I was actually thinking too much of a woman for me. :grin

Ewergrin
Wednesday, August 20th, 2003, 10:00 PM
Enough.. or the posts get deleted. Thank you.

Taras Bulba
Monday, November 17th, 2003, 09:26 PM
I don't have any military experiance. Most I've had was with my friends when we formed a paintball team along military-like lines. I was declared unfit for duty because of some respiratory problems I have(not major though). So now I'm studying to go into law enforcement. Despite my lack of direct experiance, I do have considerable amounts of knowledge on military affairs.

blut-ehre
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 09:08 AM
hmm... i used to be in something like boyscouts :shrug don't know what the hell it was called lol, then i had karate when i was younger as well. other than that i try and study hand-to-hand combat on my own, i am obsessed with the military; though i hate the fact that you have to join it for years. it would just cut into my social life :-O lol... though i might join a military , anyone recommend a nation to me ? Or maybe i should just join a militia and or rotc program soon, that'd be fun.

cosmocreator
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 09:12 AM
hmm... i used to be in something like boyscouts :shrug don't know what the hell it was called lol, then i had karate when i was younger as well. other than that i try and study hand-to-hand combat on my own, i am obsessed with the military; though i hate the fact that you have to join it for years. it would just cut into my social life :-O lol... though i might join a military , anyone recommend a nation to me ? Or maybe i should just join a militia and or rotc program soon, that'd be fun.


A private militia where some of the members have recent military training would be best.

Tommy Vercetti
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 02:54 PM
I served 6 months in infantry in antitank defence platoon

+Suomut+
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 04:18 PM
hmm... i used to be in something like boyscouts :shrug don't know what the hell it was called lol,Hitler Youth perhaps? lol ;) Hitler Youth, Boyscouts same thing, except the Boyscouts omit the racial part, lol. ;)



i am obsessed with the military;You sound like I was at your age as well as the TENS of MILLIONS of other Germanic men over the centuries that have been OBSESSED with it too...I still say all Germanic men have a 'war' gene, it just manifests itself more in some than others, lol. ;)



though i hate the fact that you have to join it for years. it would just cut into my social life :-O lol....Yeah, I hear ya', besides who the hell in their right minds would want to spend YEARS in Iraq socializing with Iraqis? because that is likely what you would end up doing right now were you old enough to join. :|



though i might join a military , anyone recommend a nation to me The Swiss Army, NO BODY f-s with the Swiss Army...even Hitler was TOO AFRAID of it!!! LMAO :D


Or maybe i should just join a militia and or rotc program soon, that'd be fun.I doubt any 'militia' in the U.S. would take you due to your age (legal problems). JROTC might be good for you...good for shining shoes/brass, marching around in circles, teaching you manners, etc. lol ;) My nephew is currently in JROTC in the same military high school I attended at one point in my younger days...I was SHOCKED to learn from him recently that they no longer train in marksmanship (we did when I was there); imagine that, the U.S. is SUPPOSEDLY at 'war' and the kids in JROTC programs aren't even practising on the rifle ranges!?!? These are mind-baffling days to say the least.

+Suomut+
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 04:38 PM
As for me, I'm a former 'red-leg;' that is, saying it in more civilian terms, I'm a veteran of the United States Army Field Artillery.:platoon (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1#) I was a forward observer (the guys who call for and direct artillery fire upon the enemy). My last duty station & unit was @ Fort Campbell, Kentucky with the 101st Airborne (Air Assault) Division. That was a long time ago, I'm glad I'm not there anymore, LOL. :D

kinvolk
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 05:00 PM
Klan Captain. Aryan Strike Force. Multi state militia [infantry/mountain warfare] Phineas priesthood [Yehwahs army] Separationist Security Klan. Skinhead nation.

kinvolk
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 05:03 PM
Hitler Youth perhaps? lol ;) Hitler Youth, Boyscouts same thing, except the Boyscouts omit the racial part, lol. ;)
Can I ask how old are you?

You sound like I was at your age as well as the TENS of MILLIONS of other Germanic men over the centuries that have been OBSESSED with it too...I still say all Germanic men have a 'war' gene, it just manifests itself more in some than others, lol. ;)


Yeah, I hear ya', besides who the hell in their right minds would want to spend YEARS in Iraq socializing with Iraqis? because that is likely what you would end up doing right now were you old enough to join. :|


The Swiss Army, NO BODY f-s with the Swiss Army...even Hitler was TOO AFRAID of it!!! LMAO :D

I doubt any 'militia' in the U.S. would take you due to your age (legal problems). JROTC might be good for you...good for shining shoes/brass, marching around in circles, teaching you manners, etc. lol ;) My nephew is currently in JROTC in the same military high school I attended at one point in my younger days...I was SHOCKED to learn from him recently that they no longer train in marksmanship (we did when I was there); imagine that, the U.S. is SUPPOSEDLY at 'war' and the kids in JROTC programs aren't even practising on the rifle ranges!?!? These are mind-baffling days to say the least.

+Suomut+
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 09:13 PM
Can I ask how old are you?4 years YOUNGER than you! :P Ahhhhh, it feels SO GOOD to be YOUNG!!!! LMAO :D ;) <Joshing around, of course, but serious about my age :)>

blut-ehre
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 03:01 AM
A private militia where some of the members have recent military training would be best.

Yeah , I don't want to train at any of that American Pride; salute the flag and feel proud to be an American shit... I just want to go through the training and what not. So i'll look for a militia program.



Hitler Youth perhaps? lol Hitler Youth, Boyscouts same thing, except the Boyscouts omit the racial part, lol.
Can I ask how old are you?

<---- it's over on my little description, i'm 14



You sound like I was at your age as well as the TENS of MILLIONS of other Germanic men over the centuries that have been OBSESSED with it too...I still say all Germanic men have a 'war' gene, it just manifests itself more in some than others, lol.

lol, I agree with you there. On the history channel they said,'the heart of a viking beats strong'. Though i do not have a nordid complection; the rule applies for all northern Germans in that instance, but the rest of them i'm sure it is just as strong, perhaps even more of a struggle ; seen in history.


Yeah, I hear ya', besides who the hell in their right minds would want to spend YEARS in Iraq socializing with Iraqis? because that is likely what you would end up doing right now were you old enough to join.

Seriously , I think u.s should bomb the place and pull out... u.s got what they wanted, saddam and the oil fields.


I doubt any 'militia' in the U.S. would take you due to your age (legal problems). JROTC might be good for you...good for shining shoes/brass, marching around in circles, teaching you manners, etc. lol My nephew is currently in JROTC in the same military high school I attended at one point in my younger days...I was SHOCKED to learn from him recently that they no longer train in marksmanship (we did when I was there); imagine that, the U.S. is SUPPOSEDLY at 'war' and the kids in JROTC programs aren't even practising on the rifle ranges!?!? These are mind-baffling days to say the least.
True, my friend joined young marines that is just a summer program and that sounds good but i don't know where it is or anything...That is shocking ! What kind of rotc program doesn't have a marksmanship program :~(

+Suomut+
Tuesday, March 16th, 2004, 04:40 AM
<---- it's over on my little description, i'm 14I knew that, dude, I think Kinvolk was asking ME that question...perchance it was for you, though, lol. ;)

kinvolk
Wednesday, March 17th, 2004, 08:35 PM
It counts. You are counted as part of the personnel for logistical and services :D
I'd call it support services . VITAL support services. Good for you!!

+Suomut+
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 03:49 AM
I'd call it support services . VITAL support services. Good for you!!Yeah...not logistics but 'vital support services.' lol Let's just say in the American example she's in the 'USO.' lol Now, fella's what's her rank?! I say commission her 2nd Lt., then we can all promote or demote her based on performance! LMAO ;););)

kinvolk
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 09:40 PM
like its said; If you cant be an athelete, Be an athletic supporter!

Abby Normal
Saturday, March 20th, 2004, 07:15 AM
hmm... i used to be in something like boyscouts :shrug don't know what the hell it was called lol.
I did Girl Scouts: The wimpy version where you talk about your feelings instead of learning to tie knots and use knives. ;(

Abby Normal
Saturday, March 20th, 2004, 07:18 AM
I don't have any military experiance. Most I've had was with my friends when we formed a paintball team along military-like lines. I was declared unfit for duty because of some respiratory problems I have(not major though). So now I'm studying to go into law enforcement. Despite my lack of direct experiance, I do have considerable amounts of knowledge on military affairs.
Heeheehee. That sounds like you to be declared unfit for duty due to respiratory problems (coughgirlymoncough) :inlove.

You're going into LAW ENFORCEMENT? ;) Hmm... "Police Officer Pushkin." Somehow I just don't think that's going to work! :P :D :D :D

Taras Bulba
Saturday, March 20th, 2004, 05:57 PM
Heeheehee. That sounds like you to be declared unfit for duty due to respiratory problems (coughgirlymoncough) :inlove.

Yes, thats right. I have asthma, and that makes you unfit for service here. Although I don't know why, many people with asthma join anyways and they often do better than most people.



You're going into LAW ENFORCEMENT? ;) Hmm... "Police Officer Pushkin." Somehow I just don't think that's going to work! :P :D :D :D

We'll see about that! :D

Vestmannr
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 06:01 AM
6 years Army National Guard, with one year of that Active. 2 years Reserve. Irregular Militia for 4 years. Could check the other category as well for what I did as a youth.

Loki(White_Osiris)
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 01:24 PM
I served in the US military for a number of years. I was in Air Assualt and Airborne. I still fire an AK-47 a couple of times a month and I have a license to sell firearms to other Americans;) Still, in pretty good shape! I'm working on being able to build AK-47's from pieces, to fire at the gun range, and up north. In the woods;)

Prince Eugen
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 06:18 PM
I served in the US military for a number of years. I was in Air Assualt and Airborne. I still fire an AK-47 a couple of times a month and I have a license to sell firearms to other Americans;) Still, in pretty good shape! I'm working on being able to build AK-47's from pieces, to fire at the gun range, and up north. In the woods;)
101 or 82nd Airborne?

I served 2 years in Hellenics Army Special Forces i commisioned as 2nd Lt and right now i'm 1st Lt at reserves!I gratuated at infantry OCS,Hellenic Rangrer Course for reservist officers,i specialized in antitanks weapons and i won a parawings(i didn't serve in a paratroop unit but in a seaborn one)!
Also served in another army exept the hellenic(not a NATO one)!

Loki(White_Osiris)
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 06:48 PM
101st, but I took airborne training, as well;) Normally, you just get AirAssualt!

Strengthandhonour
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I am only 17 and I don´t have any military training. However, I am pretty good with rifles. My family has a military history in the Italian army for over a 100 years now. My greatgrandfather,my grandfather,my uncles,etc they all been pretty much in the army. Nothing would make them happier to see me join the military service.
Which I consider. But I am not very sure at this point. I would probably do it though.

Prince Eugen
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 07:06 PM
101st, but I took airborne training, as well;) Normally, you just get AirAssualt!Did you pass a ranger course?Is it possible to have some infos about your unit?

Ross
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I'm an officer.

Loki(White_Osiris)
Tuesday, August 10th, 2004, 07:46 PM
Did you pass a ranger course?Is it possible to have some infos about your unit?
Nope, but my friends did;) I'm not sure about posting a pic, for racial identification, let alone give out a unit list:D

Dr. Solar Wolff
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 05:53 AM
I served in the US military for a number of years. I was in Air Assualt and Airborne. I still fire an AK-47 a couple of times a month and I have a license to sell firearms to other Americans;) Still, in pretty good shape! I'm working on being able to build AK-47's from pieces, to fire at the gun range, and up north. In the woods;)

Are AK 47s illegal were you are? I know they are illegal in California. I would comment further but, you know, the old Randy Weaver thing still haunts me.

Phlegethon
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 12:30 PM
Also served in another army exept the hellenic(not a NATO one)!
Haha, let me take a wild guess. ;)

Loki(White_Osiris)
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 01:11 PM
Are AK 47s illegal were you are? I know they are illegal in California. I would comment further but, you know, the old Randy Weaver thing still haunts me.
Single shot ok, I have heard conflicting stories about fully auto, with an FFL license..

Alkman
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 04:44 PM
I served 18 months in Greek Army as an M60 A3 tank shooter.15 months,out of this 1,5 year,I served in the island of Samothrace,1000km away from my home in Athens,a few km away from Ionian(West Turkey) coast,populated from a few hundrend people.
I never complained



Also served in another army exept the hellenic(not a NATO one)!Cypriot or Serbian? ;)

Prince Eugen
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 08:55 PM
I'll pm my answer!

Nightmare_Gbg
Sunday, November 14th, 2004, 03:01 AM
Former squadleader here,now serving as an small arms instruktor in the n.g.

Nothing fancy just you'r regular groundpounder.

Thorn
Sunday, November 14th, 2004, 04:24 PM
<--- Hochgebirgsjäger


(I cant translate it, but i remember a lot of snow ;))

Mjölnir
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 12:56 PM
I serve 8 Months by the "Jgdko" in the Austrian Army.
Experience in

climbing
diving
hunting
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Verslingen
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 03:27 AM
I was training to be a mountie prior to going to college. Even after college the detachment in Forteau still sought after me. My brother joined up. Heh I missed out on those damn nifty red outfits. My buddies myself,and two of my brothers are re-enacters we practice operations like a real Gebirgsjagers unit.


It is good stuff it keeps me fit and fun.

:D
Verslingen

leonidas
Tuesday, March 28th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Did you serve or you still serving at your nation's Armed Forces?
I served 2 years in Hellenic Army S.Forces as officer reserve!The unit i served was a seaborn unit!I was traing in Infantry Reserve Officers School for 14 weeks ,6 weeks advanced Ranger training ,and for 1 mounth i was training to parachute basic training i was also training as an antitank platoon leader!My rank during my service was something between warrant officer and sublieutanant and i was commisioned as 2nd LT 3 weeks before i was discharged!Now i'm 1st Lt of the reserves and i'll be captain in 4-5 years!
All males up to 18 they must serve in the Army and i became officer because i have university education!

leonidas
Tuesday, March 28th, 2006, 07:07 PM
For those who interesting in hellenic army use this link:
www.army.gr

Ryan Kirk
Tuesday, March 28th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Not yet, I'm joining the infantry reserves next fall though. Hell, why not? They pay you to learn survival and combat skills and you get free weekend trips to different areas for training and survival trips into the wilderness.

Gorm the Old
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 02:00 AM
I joined the U.S. Naval Reserve as an enlisted man in 1948. I was commissioned an Ensign in the Naval reserve in 1952. I served for two years on active duty, one year teaching in a Navy school in Maryland and one year aboard an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean. From 1954 to 1962. I was a member of the standby reserve. I then resigned my commission.

Gagnraad
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 03:51 AM
I am too young to join;)
About 4 years till I can join, can't wait!
My family have always been into the army, and army-stuff. My father is in the army as we speak.
Ah, can't wait untill I join it! :)

Sigrid
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 06:42 AM
You don't strike me as the army type, Gag.

ikki
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 07:50 AM
You don't strike me as the army type, Gag.

Why is that?
Just curious what you think is part of being a soldier, and what isnt :)



Did mine already, officially a coast ranger.. but with medic training, im a honorary MP, sniper, signalist and artillerist aswell (got to go on just about every camp there was).

Sigrid
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 08:48 AM
Why is that?
Just curious what you think is part of being a soldier, and what isnt :)

This is a big issue, at least it was a while back. It still is among certain kinds of people. Nationalists tend to be fond of the military perhaps because they see defending their country and learning skills related to this as a noble venture. Which it is, provided that what they are defending is worth defending and that the things they are going be commanded to, not asked to do, are within the range of honour.

The world has changed. Ask any American soldier.

The warrior and warriorcraft of long ago is dead. It died some while ago, when they invented the long range missile and it breathed its last when they started engaging in digital technology as a weapon. They started to use these weapons inappropriately and in the digital context they are now using them against the civilian population. But this is all evolutionary and related to the way societies have become diversified as well as united. Humanity is now a complex soup and the world is a global village, so when you need to control masses and fight against rival masses with diverse populations as your canon fodder you need a military that has redesigned its methodology and focus to cope with the new state of affairs.

My view of the soldier is as a servile pawn. I hate uniforms because they signify a stripping of his individuality and I baulk at the prospect of being told what to do and being forced to obey commands that would interfere with any individual's innate sense of justice and honour. I'm not talking about the army as a place where you can learn cool skills here, or feel a sense of comradeship with your fellows, I'm talking about the army in its real aspect, as a machine that turns people away from their freedom to think for themselves and towards the mentality of a group where that group mentality is dominated and directed not by the members but by an external autocratic authority and where the punishment for dissidence is dishonour.

My father was in WWII and told me that the soldiers became callous. Once they put into practice what they had been taught they started to lose their sense of moral discrimination and became as animals and removed from ordinary society. When they returned to civilian life he told me that many could not adjust. They were fidgety, unable to relate to their wives and children and families and many were traumatised and angry and generally disoriented. Besides the fact that many were dead and many were crippled for life in various ways. So, in the sense that the army is a preparation for war and that war is not always very successful in solving problems and often causes extra problems that didn't previously exist, I have the ex-soldier's word for it and after knowing many of his friends I don't think they are lying.

So a home guard kind of army is different to a wartime army. And a recruit who volunteers is very different from one who is conscripted. If you have a voluntary standing army you will have a certain number of people in society who like to be told what to do and who like to wear uniforms and who have a sense of duty to the state and people that works very well. Such an army life can be a very rewarding one for people who don't put a high priority on individuality or personal freedom. It usually suits socialists very well, as does the bureaucracy, which is why so many national socialists also like the idea. All socialists like the idea.

I come from a country that forced its white recruits into the army. That killed many of those recruits in excessively brutal training camps and that was on the point of conscripting women when it fell apart from its own corruption and oppression. I am possibly not the best person to sing the praises of the military. I saw it in its unpleasant side. I saw too many young soldiers crippled and traumatised for nothing. They exist to this day but no one knows about them or gives a damn. I personally hate with a vengeance military societies and will leave them and refuse to support them. I have no wish to reproduce my youth in those days where my people were herded around like animals even though they were white. That causes populations to grow angry and violent and the wounds to be incapable of healing. militarism doesn't work in the long run.

On the other hand any country must have a powerful defence force and military deterrent or it will be vulnerable. How it uses this is what makes the difference. The way in which soldiers are treated and the way in which they treat the public makes a big difference. If the public end up fearing their own soldiers or mistrusting them or just plain hating them then the military system has failed at grass roots and the country will fall to an enemy who takes advantage of the crack in the wall.

Militarism is a complex thing. It is wide ranging as well as locally based. It can be glorious in defence or the opposite if it acts offensively. And every soldier inherits the consequences for every decision taken from afar. In the end it is as though every bullet comes from a single gun and every village is burned by a single man and every orphan is going to curse one soldier. The universal soldier, I suppose, of popular mythology. The one who does the killing on command and then takes the blame or the glory.

I think that before anyone enters the military they should be fully aware of what this may mean. This isn't to say that armies must cease to exist, it is to imply that the governments who give them their orders should perhaps cease to exist and be replaced by ones that have more honourable ambitions.

Eisenmann
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 09:08 AM
very confronting post there...
may I ask what country you're from, so I can adjust to and understand your post better? :)

Gagnraad
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 09:18 AM
']very confronting post there...
may I ask what country you're from, so I can adjust to and understand your post better? :)
She's from South Africa. :)

Sigrid
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 09:47 AM
Thank you, stormann Gag.

Very important, though, I am not confrontational, I am defensive. I am folkishly defensive. I am English. I am a product of my genes and my experience. I am never willing to discuss whether or not Hitler had more than one testicle or slay any kin over something that has nothing to do with me or the world as it now is. My people are the only thing I care about enough to go to war over, whether figuratively or literally. But only defensively. Not ever offensively.

Weg
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 10:58 AM
"No, I don't want nor I plan to serve."

Fortunately, I haven't for I didn't have to, given that the compulsory military service has been supressed in 1995 here.

Siegfried
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 11:10 AM
No, I do not have any military experience, nor do I wish to serve except in case of emergency. Pacifism is nonsense.

Pellonpekko
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 11:29 AM
I´m joining the army in July 2007. Going to be a MP

Sigrid
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 01:25 PM
No, I do not have any military service, nor do I wish to serve except in case of emergency. Pacifism is nonsense.

Agree that pacifism is nonsense. It is also a form of surrender. And so in some ways could become a form of treason.

Alkman
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 02:09 PM
18 months service in the Greek army, as all males do here.

leonidas
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 06:10 PM
All the modern European armies are not serving Nation or Race but New World Order(the god's chosen ones)!But military training and service give us an advantage for the future!It is good to have military training especially light infantry,military intelligence,MP and ofcourse the better Special Forces training(para,marine,combat diver etc)!You learn about survining,selfdefense and many other subject can be useful in the future!
So in my humble oppinion military training is not about to serve our corrupted democracies but for the future!

Ryan Kirk
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 07:34 PM
Sigrid:

Even in ancient times warfare was a messy thing. It's easy to romanticize that the coming of technology has destroyed the honour and that now it's simply a point and click at the cost of civilians, but it's important to look at the history and see that this clean cut and honourable warrior against warrior scenario never existed.

I would argue that, if anything, less innocent civilians are being killed today then ever when you look at things in proportion the size of the wars and the weaponry involved. It's true that civilians do die, but for an invading army to lay siege to a city and wait for the majority of the population to die in their own waste of starvation and disease is no longer tolerated by the international community. If you look at a situation like Iraq, where an occupying force is being harried by a popular revolutionary group, it is also being handled very differently then it might have been in the past. In previous times it would have been nothing at all for the occupying force to simply round up all the men of the country they occupied and send them off to slave labour or simply execute them. In our time though that can't happen. It wouldn't be tolerated by anyone.

Even invasive forces such as the US Army are currently providing some, if not enough, aid to the civilians of the nations they fight in. There are also many NGOs working today for the same reason. A thousand years ago this would not be happening, the civilians of the conquered empire were not worth saving, and if they were it was simply because they could pay taxes and do slave work for the conqueror.

I'm not trying to justify today's wars, but it isn't as if there was a golden age of clean, beautiful, honourable warfare which has passed with the coming of technology. People have always been cruel, violence has always been horrific, and the mob mentality that pushes groups to do things they would individually object to has always existed.

One final thing, the idea of uniforms and suppressing the individuality of the combatant is one of the keys to the performance and functionality of any armed force and it is also as old as conflict itself.

ikki
Thursday, March 30th, 2006, 09:27 PM
;)


Afterall, if the population protested about their new masters, the competent general-warlord would wipe out the entire civilian population.
So did all the truly great ones: Alexander, Temujin & Temur.

Sigrid
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 06:32 AM
Ryan, yes that is true, but I am not a romantic. I hate war for what it is, a brutal business, no matter whose side you are on. I am not one of those dreamy eyed archaic revivalists who think the ancient warriors were performing some kind of sacred ritual when they went at each other with battle axes. We have the skeletons to prove that warfare then was grotesquely brutal. Life in general was this way which is why it has been described as "nasty, brutish and short."

However when people say "we" today they mean the west. When they say "the international community" they usually mean the group of nations following agreements made and signed by liberal and social democratic countries, that harbour aspects neither liberal nor democratic. In the so-called "developing" world, warfare is still as barbaric as ever it was. If you look at a place like Somali and what is happening to the civilians there you are shot straight back to the middle ages but with the technology of modern artillery. And this is often mixed and matched with the old favourites of machetes and clubs. Rape, torture, starvation, burning, and slavery are all still alive and well and living on the same planet. When "we" go into these countries our soldiers are often unable to compete with this kind of warfare. There is a dichotomy. They aren't party to the "agreements" we have made with one another. This can be very messy indeed. And archaic warfare can be very successful on account of its sheer brutality and lack of libertarian rules. I live in a place where this kind of antagonism between ethnic factions can erupt at any time into barbaric killing as one tribe or group gets it in for another and you have blood and gore all over the place. I have heard reports from African workers that returned from Christmas holidays in their homelands and had seen people moving about without heads. The same way chickens do for a while after you chop off their heads with an axe. These people are living in two worlds whereas most of "us" are only living in one. When these two worlds are interrelated because certain people allow certain others into advanced communities you often have the running gun battles in the street and the brutal rioting and killing and raping sprees seen recently as gangs fight it out under our noses, in our neighbourhoods, or after a hurricane or tsunami.

Still, the ancients of all races had codes for fighting. The Africans had the washing of the spears and so did we in that we placed war weapons into rivers as post war gifts and ceremonies for the dead. If important enemies were killed it was by ceremony as some of the "bog people" seem to show. Opponents were dedicated to Odin or other native gods. Warfare was a terrible fact of life and survival and because it was hand to hand it had an immediacy that modern warfare does not have. It served to make people ultimately more realistic whereas today I find a lot of people quite removed from warfare, quite unaware of killing. They seem to see it through their politicians' speeches and their televised concepts as a kind of righteous act that doesn't hurt anyone and the blasting to bits of children as unfortunate accidents or "collateral damage". Long ago there were no euphemisms for death and destruction. At least people were honest about what they were doing. It was an eye for an eye. Horrible, traumatic beyond belief and savage but nevertheless unlikely to be taken as a nice walk in the park to remove unwanted people from the path of glorious democracy and the highway to lots of uncomplicated oil.

The army as standing affair where people learn certain skills is not the same as the one that goes to war. The idea that you will be able to just turn on the home government and fight in the streets is also a very romantic one. The government is far better prepared for this than anyone imagines. In fact it's any government's greatest fear so they have things in place whereby the ordinary soldier is not going to be in any position to do any such thing.

Civilians can learn survival skills and self defence as well. We all do where I am. But it's not to fight the government it's to fight the gangs of criminals. They are our constant threat. Every day the civilians in my country have to arm themselves with whatever they can lay their hands on and do battle with the enemy on the streets, in their homes, everywhere. The government never sees any of this action. It is protects itself from the people it in turn is protecting. So I am really reduced back to the ways of the old bygone world (and so are a lot of people in multicultural societies today) where I cannot relax for a second and must live behind bars and spikes and alarms and carry weapons and learn self defence and keep big dogs. I have to understand that death can come at any time day or night and I must accept this and be prepared for it because it is a constant reality. That and, if you're a woman, rape.

While the soldiers are all way over in some third world cesspit fighting for a couple of mad religious zealots' desires to democratize the Middle East the home populations are left open to abuse and violence by roving gangs of criminals that are becoming braver and more adept every day. Soon this will filter out into all communities and it won't just be a"third world thing". It is in fact being exported by means of uncontrolled immigration and borders are left untended while soldiers are elsewhere or not permitted to act.

In ancient times this would have been unlikely to happen. They fought and died but they were seldom asked to stand back while their communities were fleeced and abused by resident hordes of aliens who had the status of royal game. Even Boudicca of Britain made a stand and very nearly was successful. She was thwarted by flunkies as we all will be.

That is why I have little faith in any military today. And no romance in me whatsoever for the past. Life has never been particularly good and never for any length of time before something came along and threatened that peace and order. It is the curse of living on this planet with so many others. Nature, if observed realistically, is a constant effort of one life form to keep itself alive and well in the face of an onslaught on various fronts by a range of enterprising opponents. The creatures that do survive are magnificent and strong. Each one an aristocrat and each one a hero. Unlike humanity that is now filled with half cast ill bred scum that have the status of those aristocrats in nature but none of their ability to maintain that status other than through the liberalised laws of socialists, religious fanatics and liberal extremists.

Nature is no longer their mirror. They quail at the sight of the tiger glaring haughtily at them from its proud and unsullied being. They envy the elephant's family unit and strength and loyalty. They cannot understand the mountains and their endurance, or the sea and its ability to cleanse itself. They hate the shark but want to engage with his jaws, they want to swim with him and they masochistically desire to be eaten by him as they tremble in their little wire cages in the shark's domain, dangling bait at him, hoping he will open his mouth and show them his glorious evolution.

They would, I suspect, like to put nationalists into cages and poke at them with sticks to see if they will fight back. They will, I am certain, thrill at the display of pride and fighting spirit. It will be just like swimming with sharks or getting up close and personal with the tiger or the buffalo, through bars.

It's the bars that will make them secure, like the laws that stand in for the bars on us now. They tease us through the bars of our cages, unable to resist our seemingly unconquerable ability to fight back when cornered. It's a dangerous game sadomasochists love to play. They do it to cover their intrinsic envy, the corrosive hate that eats them up every time they see the tiger or watch the mountains looming over the plains. How they would love to blast them to bits and lay their ancient forms flat as a pancake on the incumbent land. What fun! They can use some of those almighty weapons they have discovered. They can use technology to destroy the old natural world and its now small cache of aristocrats. Even the shining beetles annoy them, with their suits of armour and their insectile traditions. They even want to make the beetles, mighty in their world, black knights of iron armour and sharp claws, submit to their will. They want to have liberal beetles and they want to snip off their blade-like claws and force them to dance with the butterflies and have offspring that are neither beetle nor butterfly and they want to look upon their mad pseudo creation and say that it is good. And they want to drift across the black waters, like God, and look into the depths for any monsters and they want to haul them up and place them on the thrones of the world and worship them and call them denizens of democracy.

How did all of this happen? How did the mighty tigers and buffaloes and elephants, the proud shining beetles in their black armour and the eagle warriors of the sun become the caged prisoners of the muck raking, mud eating pseudo creators who put them behind bars? Through armies and warfare. Which is why I hate armies and warfare. These have killed millions upon millions of our people through the ages and laid the best strongest and most courageous men in their graves and caused their women to be sold to the misfits who didn't fight, who waited sneering up their sleeves until all the warriors were dead then offered starving women and their children the hand with bread and gold in it. They took their children and put them to work in their universal systems. They mated with the women and created populations of weak, offspring and they finally came to power as a globalised force. They are still knitting up the seams of their coat of many colours, which is nearing completion. They need this motley crew for more wars. There are still untamed uncaged ones out there and they must conquer them all and bring them all to heel and mate with their women so that the entire world is one large family of beggars and worshippers.

Fortunately, they are not succeeding. The gene has a habit of surviving through almost any devastation. Inside the citadel of the gene is a heart and a mind yet unknown to science. There is the think tank of the generations. While catastrophe reigns in the world outside the citadel, the gene plans its counter attack and when almost everyone has forgotten about what once was, the tiny, indestructible lord of the creative furnace and king of ages steps out of the citadel and appears among the species, clad once again in bright armour and fur and feathers and claws. And the beasts and the heroes return, seemingly from nowhere, as though they had been hiding under the floorboards of new buildings constructed on ancient ruins.

Even if you have lost faith in everything else in the world, never lose faith in the gene. It is as close as breathing and as far as a distant galaxy. It has all its wisdom in a minute structure that hardly seems to exist. It knows what to do and it is immune to bars and ideologies and religion. It laughs at bullets and fire and compost. It is the tiny warrior who always returns, no matter how many times he has been thwarted. Look out for him, and her, of course, there is always also a queen and a lady. They are living inside us now, and they are wearing their ancient skins and preparing to step out and confront the usurpers of civilization. Their weapons are simply their reality. They undo damage with their eyes. They never really leave even though they seem to become invisible. They belong to Orlog and are Orlog's most powerful weapon of regeneration and renewal. They are Orlog's sword of justice. And they are feared by everyone who hates what is beautiful, honourable, brave and good.

newenstad
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 12:50 PM
I´m a reservist but I´m spending a lot of time in the army instead of continuing my studies...

I served my eight month compulsary military service as an armoured infantry man. After that I joined the Army for several months. After finnishing my contract I become a reservist and I´m doing a lot of "voluntary weapon drill" like border control or drilling servicemen or doing special courses for earning money, improve my skills and just for fun...

I´m a proud non commisioned-officer with armoured infantry and alpine training, tank driving license and some special trainings but I´m not authorised to talk about them ;) ...

Ewergrin
Tuesday, April 4th, 2006, 06:02 PM
No. I have never been a memeber of any military organization, and I never will.

Bodi_Donarsson
Wednesday, August 16th, 2006, 06:57 PM
I was in the Marines, back in the 90's. I was an 0311/infantryman, and Sigrid, I can tell you that no matter how point and click things get, there will always be a need for infantry. Always.

As for whether or not service in the military is a good thing, or the horrors of war, know that these things have been debated for millenia, and will probably continue to be, long after we are gone. There will always be differing opinions, and there will always be two sides to the story.

Personally, I find war to be naturally inevitable. I read somewhere once that in the past 2,000 years, there have been less than 250 years of world peace. So it would seem that peace is the aberration, not war. Are we ever going to learn our lesson and stop fighting? Probably not. Would I like to add to those 250 years? You betcha.

Varis
Monday, November 13th, 2006, 04:20 PM
12 months of service and nowadays a reservist NCO. I've gone through one refresher course (a mandantory one) and plan to participate in others in the future.

Rongoteus
Monday, November 13th, 2006, 06:25 PM
A(n) short answer. Yes. It happens to be my profession.

Desert Fox
Wednesday, January 31st, 2007, 03:10 AM
I am only 17 and I don´t have any military training. However, I am pretty good with rifles. My family has a military history in the Italian army for over a 100 years now. My greatgrandfather,my grandfather,my uncles,etc they all been pretty much in the army. Nothing would make them happier to see me join the military service.
Which I consider. But I am not very sure at this point. I would probably do it though..

I would strongly urge you NOT to join the US Army or the army of another state allied with the US.
I served in the US Army in the early 1960s. That was before I found out that the jews are in command of the Senate, Congress and that the CIA, the White House is completely in their hands. Which means that as a US soldier you will be used as cannon fodder for Israel.
No, thanks!
Learn good survival skills which includes the use of battle proven weapons.
The time will come when a race war will ravage the USA


<--- Hochgebirgsjäger


(I cant translate it, but i remember a lot of snow ;))
Hochgebirgsjaeger =:thumbup
Mountain troops trained to fight and survive in the high mountains....


And militarily that charge was complete insanity. ;)



Happened to them quite often in that war.



Does that surprise anyone here?



True, but that really is no big deal. I was on a lot of maneuvers with NATO troops from the Netherlands, Belgium, the U.K., the U.S., Denmark and France - and even the Dutch were much more qualified than the G.I.s. And if you have ever seen a Dutch bataillon you will understand what that means. We all collectively made jokes about the yankees who always were looking for stuff they had lost, including trucks, fuel, firearms, ammo, soldiers, food. It was sooooo funny; you should have been there too watch.



Are they? Cool. Where do I have to sign? ;)


Great! I bet you have seen a completely Africanized US Army, well, with lots of Hispanics mixed in as well as faggots.(Hinterlader) and, of course,
lesbians.... :thumbdown
Watch out, the Germans always copy what is coming out of judaized America... :thumbdown
I was in the US Army, active duty for three years over 40 years ago and it was bad then. Now it is even worse. :(
The best US troops are those with the least non-Whites: US Marine Corps, Rangers, para-troops......
Is it any wonder that the US military is NOT doing well in Afghanistan and Iraq?

anthropos
Friday, February 9th, 2007, 12:09 PM
Yeah, it is esier to slip into the cadet program there, because the army is even more chaotically organized. In the German army since 1990 all applicants get screened automatically by the military intelligence. Otherwise I'd be captain by now - though in an increasingly multi-culti army. ;)

It is insulting to see real german patriots being sidelined from their army.

Are they calling turks to become officers?

fonze
Friday, February 9th, 2007, 03:08 PM
US Marine Corps, Rangers, para-troops......
Marines are full of hispanics and blacks. The Army is negro galore.

The only place you won't find too many niggers are all the Special Operations units (Army SF, Rangers, SEAL,PJs etc) and the Air Force. Usually, in areas where intelligence and effort is required, there will be an absence of niggers.


Yea and our Army has never lost a war. Can't say that about yours now can we :)
Canada has women in it's infantry.....can't say that about us can we?

But no one would notice the difference, so it doesn't really matter.

Papa Koos
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 11:32 PM
After spending (wasting) 4 years in an American military school which was under the US 3rd Army I came to the conclusion that I wanted no part of "the stupid leading the naive". Right out of school ROTC confirmed my conviction and immediately Viet Nam cemented it.

I'm with you Gotterschicksal "Give me a land to fight for" and I would add "and a cause worth defending". I've had neither.

Pro-Alpine
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 11:54 PM
The military of Hungary occasionally sent recruiters to the educational institution were i studied.

I always kindly rejected thier offer a long with my friends because this is Hungary, the only war that might take place here will be caused by a politician who hates Serbs or has a selfish desire to obtain territory or wealth.

Theudiskaz
Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 12:26 AM
No military experience here. Although people tend to think I'm in the Marine Corps or something, for one reason or another. I would really like to have some military experience of some sort, and I have been thinking about going to Marine Officer Candidate School in the summer, which does not require any further service, but should one enlist in the Marines they would automatically be promoted to lieutenant. My rank as Eagle Scout would most likely get me promoted to a higher rank upon entry into the military. One of the benefits of sticking with that program.;)

Ideally, every able bodied man should serve in the military. It gives men self-discipline, skills to defend home and fatherland and many other things, develops character, and makes for a more orderly society in general. So it troubles me that the military which I would otherwise serve in is being used for such devious purposes at the moment. Too bad there aren't any foreign legion armies left (other than the French one, of course.:|)

fonze
Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 07:08 AM
I want to do at least 3-4 years in the Army and go Marine officer in the Reserves after that.

Jäger
Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 08:58 AM
I was a Jäger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_%28military%29) in the German Army :) It was a really great time, although I had to spent my time with many "Russians", there are lots of "Russians" in the German fighting units, I guess it is like fonze said with Blacks in America. ;)

But since I was a conscirpt, I never was faced with the decision to go into a war of the FRG.

Desert Fox
Monday, February 12th, 2007, 10:29 PM
I was a Jäger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%A4ger_%28military%29) in the German Army :) It was a really great time, although I had to spent my time with many "Russians", there are lots of "Russians" in the German fighting units, I guess it is like fonze said with Blacks in America. ;)

But since I was a conscirpt, I never was faced with the decision to go into a war of the FRG.

Just curious: were those the so-called "Russians with German ancestry" or true ethnic Russians? How well did your Kameraden get along with them?

The WWII Russian divisions fighting with the German Army did OK basically from what I understand. That includes other Slavic units such as the Ukrainians ("Galicians") and White Russians/Belorussians.
And it cannot be denied that even the Red Army in WWII had some excellent fighters and some of them were not of the typical raping, looting and killing of civilians as encouraged by that Jew Ilya Ehrenburg.

Jäger
Tuesday, February 13th, 2007, 09:01 PM
Just curious: were those the so-called "Russians with German ancestry" or true ethnic Russians? How well did your Kameraden get along with them?
The first, supposedly with German ancestry. However, it was a time which supported all stereotypes I knew about them, from roughly 200 "Russians" I met 5 or 6 who I didn't recognize as such, and would have no problems to accept them as my kin. The others refered to themselves as Russians, and they "looked" like it, maybe they looked Ukrainian, I don't want to argue with Nicola or something :D, anyway not German, everyone could spot them miles away as Non-German just from their looks, so I refer to them like this too.

During basic training, it was OK, not so many "Russians" actually, with the few I got along quite well, although one kept telling me about how he does Coke and goes into Brothrels etc. He was a good fighter nevertheless.
It was on purpose to split the Russain recruits in diverse Züge [Platoons?], normally recruits just are split based on their last names, alphabetically, but with "Russians" they took care that not too many got in one platoon. I guess out of bad experience.
Later we were merged with Panzergrenadiere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzergrenadier) where basically everyone was a "Russian", and we kinda got in some fights with them, once just two of us, and later the whole company.
Luckyly our Feldwebel [Seargant] had the right attitude, if you know what I mean ;)

Turso
Wednesday, February 14th, 2007, 07:40 PM
Not yet, but I will have some (hopefully lots of it) after two years or so.

Gorm the Old
Sunday, February 25th, 2007, 01:23 AM
Yes. I joined the U.S. Naval Reserve in 1948 so that, if drafted, I would serve in the Navy, not the Army. This enabled me to complete my college education under less stress than many others.

In 1950 and 1951, I took part in the Reserve Officer Candidacy School (ROCS) program, and upon receiving my B.S. degree in 1952, was commisioned an Ensign in the Naval Reserve and immediately ordered to active duty.

I served one year as an instructor in physics at the Naval Academy Preparatory School and then was ordered to sea duty. I then did something unprecedented. I went to the Pentagon, to the Bureau of Naval Personnel and requested the type of ship on which I wished to serve: a Midway-class (CVA) aircraft carrier. I was assigned to the USS Midway, then in drydock in Virginia.

I served first in engineering and then in communications in the Mediterranean Sea. Owing to an "elastic clause" in the Naval Reserve Act of 1950, I was obligated only to 24 months active duty instead of the usual 36 months. I was released from active duty to the Standby Reserve in 1954.

In 1960, I had served 8 years in the Naval Reserve as an officer and could, if I wished, resign my commission. We had for a president, then, a former naval officer who had lost his ship in World War II. After seeing how he botched the Bay of Pigs operation, I decided that I did not wish to serve under that man and resigned my commission.

Grimsteinr
Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 01:40 PM
Yes. I have Military training of sorts.
I was in the Air Force, as support troop.
I served my time. And, I spent my time in Reserves.

It's a very different World, since 1965, when I finished Service.
However, I do believe there are "Real Warriors", even today.
I have, over the years known a few. One Family of my Cousins,
younger than myself, had 4 Volunteers, of 4 Sons. 3 of them, as
Marines, served in Viet Nam, a sad Sad War. One of my Cousins,
distinguished himself, at 18 yrs. old, as Recon. in CQC.
His FireBase was overrun. He saved a few Friends . And, was
Awarded the Medal of Honor, posthumously.

I've had other Friends & Family who went to Special Forces
and Marine Corps.Yeah, they practice as Snipers, & with Heavy
weapons, Saw-Guns, too........But.......
They train extensively in CQC, "close quarters Combat".
That's the Kind where you get your hands all "bloody",
up close & personal.
Of my 7 brothers, 3 others served. 2 in Viet Nam, with
4 Purple Hearts, between 'em, the real kind.

Guess I remember that old saying, "If you don't Stand up for
Something, you'll fall for anything."
Not sure what that means exactly. There's a meaning in there,
somewhere.
I still own & practice with firearms. Not required by my
Government, as by some.

An Old Poem, English I think, from the 1st World War...........

Every Man Should have a Rifle


So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions "over yonder" of the war I know must come.
In the corner - not a vision - but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.

No - no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss -
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in store!

Henry Lawson

Sorry, Y'all, I'm old & I ramble on.
Take Care.

vonMilikowski
Thursday, March 1st, 2007, 02:55 PM
I did my 8 years for this forsaken country. I have seen a lot and learned a lot. If my children think of signing their death warrants then I will break their thighs so they cannot get in. I am no pacifist, not by any means of the word. If you want to know what the service gave me - a box of useless junk that I use as a way to keep people I care about far away from wanting to join.

Combat is combat. Yes, it becomes robotic after a while - but any job becomes automation if you do it long enough. No matter how you glorify it, it is a job. There will be those who love their jobs and those who hate it.

Defending your homestead is one thing, bullying other countries to conform to what you think is right is totally wrong. If the US was more worried about US issues instead of "fixing the world" I might be singing a different tune.

Those who know me elsewhere know my views and opinions.

Rongoteus
Friday, March 2nd, 2007, 12:47 AM
I did my 8 years for this forsaken country. I have seen a lot and learned a lot. If my children think of signing their death warrants then I will break their thighs so they cannot get in. I am no pacifist, not by any means of the word. If you want to know what the service gave me - a box of useless junk that I use as a way to keep people I care about far away from wanting to join.

Combat is combat. Yes, it becomes robotic after a while - but any job becomes automation if you do it long enough. No matter how you glorify it, it is a job. There will be those who love their jobs and those who hate it.

Defending your homestead is one thing, bullying other countries to conform to what you think is right is totally wrong. If the US was more worried about US issues instead of "fixing the world" I might be singing a different tune.

Those who know me elsewhere know my views and opinions.

I can understand You quite clear. There is a clear difference between two things. It is different to serve one´s own nation, as a part of homogenous national defence system, versus serve a multicultural nation, as a part of the tool of imperialism.

Kith of woden
Friday, March 2nd, 2007, 04:15 AM
I served for 10 years in the British Army .1st batt Kings own royal Border Regiment(infantry). After spending my first 4 years in a rifle platoon i was selected for recce and then Close observation platoon(all the sneaky stuff!).I am proud of the work i did, but wouldnt serve todays theatres as im against the wars were involved in. I am beggining to think more and more like Don(last post) these days. I dont want to go a meddling in other countrys affairs.

Kith of woden
Thursday, March 8th, 2007, 09:13 PM
I served for 10 years in The Kings Own Royal Border regiment, which is an infantry regiment in the British Army. It was made up of an amalgamation of the 4th and 34th of foot.This makes it 300+ years old and the 4th oldest in the British Army.

Taras Bulba
Wednesday, March 14th, 2007, 11:27 PM
I was declared unfit for duty because of some respiratory problems I have(not major though).

Well that was the issue then. The current problems with my one eye would definately disqualify me for service as well. So I guess Im safe if they ever reinstate the draft.

I will admit it took me some time to get over being rejected. Although Im always told by people in the military and veterans that Im not missing much.

Susisaari
Wednesday, March 14th, 2007, 11:56 PM
I served for 10 years in The Kings Own Royal Border regiment
...
This makes it 300+ years old and the 4th oldest in the British Army.


I was stationed in a regiment in the Finnish Army founded in 1626.

Aptrgangr
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 01:12 AM
http://www.llpikp260.de/uploads/pics/heeresflieger.jpg

I was drafted and sent to the Heeresflieger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Army_Aviators_Corps). I volunteered because I was in a home defense brigade, and was there 2 years in total. Basic training was surprisingly harsh, marching over snowy hills where a cold wind blows and scouring through woods and fields under combat conditions was instructive nevertheless. After 2 month basic training I was sent to my unit and served in the flight safety. It was an office job in fact, but of course I loved the flight maneuvres with the good old Bell UH-1D Iroquois (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UH-1_Iroquois) "Huey" (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/uh-1.htm) - we called them Teppichklopfer (http://rth.info/typen.uh1d.htm) (carpet beater, because if the rotor blades' sound)- most, they were a nice change :D

hodekin
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 09:57 AM
Royal Green jackets, then Rhodesian Light Infantry.

Both sadly no more.

Veritas Æquitas
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 10:39 AM
I will be joining up with the Royal 22e Régiment (Van Doos) soon if I do descide to move out here, or with the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry(Airborne) back home. Probably sometime this year. Anxious to go and kick Haji's ass and get some battle experience.

I used to be an Air Cadet (13-18 yrs of age) so I've been through all the Air-Crew survival stuff, been in the air alot (No, never got to fly anything myself :( .. ) , (met my first *real* girlfriend at camp :p ) , was on the senior drill-team (we won second best in the country when I was about 16) and retired Warrant Officer II, but I always fancied the obstacle courses, running, shooting.. It was my mother's idea to put me in Air Cadets, she desperately wanted me to be a pilot... lol. But I'd much rather have my feet planted on terra firma..

I was a Security Guard for a couple years and got some minimal 'full body contact' training. I lived in a rough area full of blacks with illegal guns so we were urged to wear level I vests, batons, mag-lites, cuffs, slash-resistant gloves, and K-9.

Hu-ra.

Atlas
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 12:39 PM
I have served briefly in a National Defense after messing up my studies, I thought for a while this would be my new thing. I was quite disappointed. No front, just being in your camp in the motherland most of the time at the order of such and such and getting wasted every night to forget the boreness. I resigned after six months, despite the Colonel first refusal who didn't find me that stupid or a bad soldier and proposed to give me a new job. Too late, I was just tired of it. No regret.

Blood_Axis
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 12:54 PM
I have been skinhead/policeperson/or security guard etc

What an idiotic option!

Since when beer drinking and s i e g heiling is a proffession or counts as military experience? :D

CharlesDexterWard
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 01:01 PM
I was a soldier in training, a service that included a shorter time of actual service as armed patrol on the military premises as well as medical training, partly in a real hospital with real patients.

My time in the army also included truck driving and leadership.

Death and the Sun
Tuesday, March 20th, 2007, 01:21 PM
Eight months' service in Finland's national defence force, Salpausselkä anti-aircraft artillery regiment.

Rank: cannoneer.

Choroy
Thursday, March 22nd, 2007, 10:50 PM
I've been security guard in rich kids parties a few times.

and I hunt pichons in the farm.

Engelbrecht
Friday, March 23rd, 2007, 10:44 PM
I have served as sergeant in the swedish regular army, private in the home defence and two years as a security guard.

Reiver
Saturday, March 24th, 2007, 07:54 AM
Yes, thats right. I have asthma, and that makes you unfit for service here. Although I don't know why, many people with asthma join anyways and they often do better than most people.



We'll see about that! :D

A friend of mine died in basic training with Asthma. In the military you can eat a hell of alot of dust and pollution. All that deleted uranium did nothing for Desert Storm vets.

Frankish Philosopher
Monday, March 26th, 2007, 04:32 AM
I am currently enlisted in the US Army. As of now, I've been in for about 1 1/2 years and am still in training. I'll be graduating from DLI, where I study Chinese, in about a month.

Folkist
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 06:14 AM
I'm a law enforcement specialist in the U.S. Navy. I'm probably going to get out soon and join the Naval Reserves as a master at arms.

Edenkoben
Monday, May 14th, 2007, 02:45 PM
I was a member of the Fire Service for 15 years--as a firefighter/paramedic and later as Lieutenant, training officer and fitness coordinator. A typical 'tour of duty' lasts 24 hours, followed by 48 hours off (plus overtime), year after year.

We defended people against, well, often their own stupidity, but more to the point against fire, accident and life-threatening illness. I've seen a whole lot more gunshot wounds than the typical (non-combat) soldier.

The US fire service command structure is a hybrid of strict military (on the fireground) and business hierarchy (during other times); a contemporary firefighter may spend 8 hours a day in training, may develop the purchasing specifications for the engine that he will eventually operate. And he may find himself under the absolute tactical command of an Incident Commander in the next moment.

My training included 8 months as a paramedic, an initial 2 months as a firefighter (and then cumulatively a year specializing in fire command tactics and strategies, urban search and rescue, high angle rescue, swift water rescue [I did not like that], hazmat, trauma management, Mass Casualty Incident tactics) as well as Company Officer Development.

There are ways to serve and defend one's country that do not involve shooting people in foreign lands and I would put the average firefighter's dedication to service up against the average soldier's any day.

To VonMilikowski: I was coming of age during the late stages of the VietNam war. I announced to my family that I intended to enlist in order to follow in the footsteps of my two older cousins (one of whom was dead). His brother, the living cousin, announced to me that he would knee cap me (by gunshot).

He was no pacifist, an Army Ranger with 3 tours of duty all on forward fire bases. But he knew that he had not defended America nor had his brother died in its defense; he was, however, going to defend me from my own stupidity. My knees, I'm happy to say, are intact as is my respect for both cousins. Your promise to your family carries much weight and they are fortunate to have you leading them as you have.

shauger
Tuesday, June 10th, 2008, 08:34 PM
4 years in united states marine corps, 18 months in viet nam and 1 year recovering froms wounds recieved in combat. Take my word for it theres nothing gloorious about modern warfare

Pellonpekko
Wednesday, June 11th, 2008, 10:04 AM
I´ve been back to the "civilian life" for a few months now. Done the mandatory service (in the military police company) and didnt stay for any more. Working in the security business now so I´m making some use of the training here in the civilian world aswell.

Papa Koos
Wednesday, June 11th, 2008, 03:55 PM
I was in the US Army for a very long 54 months back in the 60s (not counting wasted time in ROTC).

I learned discipline, military history, tactics, drill, weapons, etc. I also learned that I will never trust the men who rise up through the ranks to "lead". Most of them are idiots.

The positive side is I know I could and would fight hard and well if my community and people were attacked.

Maccuswæl
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 02:18 PM
Three years as a U.S. Army infantryman. Served during Clinton's second term, so no combat experience. I was a heavy weapons specialist and I loved my job. Not the BS "garrison politics, mind you, but all the MOS related activity.

Gagnraad
Tuesday, June 17th, 2008, 09:03 PM
Well, I just checked my physical and psychological health, the mandatory tests as to wether or not they will have me join the army.

Because of my back-injury, I wouldn't be suited for modern warfare, which pretty much suited me fine!

Shauger1: May I ask what happened during your time at war?