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Siegfried
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 11:27 AM
Milk sucks (http://www.milksucks.com/)

"There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today."
-Dr. Frank A. Oski, Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University

Lissu
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 01:09 PM
Milk sucks (http://www.milksucks.com/)

"There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today."
-Dr. Frank A. Oski, Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins UniversityThis old news, and somewhat correct.

However... milk s good anyway, and a source for calcium even if it is not in the best possible form for humans and thus doesn't absorb as well as it could.

Then... the system of the Nordish peoples is somewhat used to milk during the numerous centuries people have been drinking it. We have less lactore intolerance than other peoples, Asiatics for example about 100 % of people have lactose intolerance, while we have something like 20%, and lactose intolerance usually comes in the older age. I know that after couple of decades I will propably be able to use only low lactose or lactose free milk products.

Agrippa
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 04:19 PM
It depends whether you are Lactose tolerant or not, in groups in which LT is very high, you can assume that they wouldnt have survived a certain period of time without it. Thats true for the Scandinavian Nordids f.e.

Scholar
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 04:32 PM
Well Seigfried, you have just brilliantly pointed out that there are in fact insane pediatricians out there. No wonder he's a "Former Director of Pediatrics, Johns Hopkins University". Milk is good for you, I drink as much milk as possible every day and I am happy that my body can easily break down the lactose.

I love milk, milky milk milk, here it goes down, down into my belly. :P

Scholar
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 04:38 PM
Oh, not only is cow's milk delicious, but goats milk really does the trick. Who could live without feta cheese?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/summer/mcintyre/images/feta.jpg

Thusnelda
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 04:50 PM
I cant live without milk! Kakao, Yoghurt, Honeymilk, Chocolate, Cheese, Icecoffee, with Corn Flakes...I think I drink around 6-7 liters milk a week! :) So Im definately lactose tolerant...*g*
Milk is good for the bones, tastes delicious and is flexible in usage.

Scholar
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 05:04 PM
You can not only survive drinking solely milk, but thrive.

Siegfried
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 05:37 PM
in groups in which LT is very high, you can assume that they wouldnt have survived a certain period of time without it. Thats true for the Scandinavian Nordids f.e.

True.


Milk is good for you

Which elements of your physical health require the consumption of milk?


Milk is good for the bones

Not according to this site; http://www.milksucks.com/osteo.html

On a side note, I consume lots of dairy products myself (cheese f.e.).

Ewergrin
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 05:43 PM
It's PETA, and therefore invalid by default. PETA SUCKS.

Siegfried
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 05:44 PM
It's PETA, and therefore invalid by default. PETA SUCKS.

I'm not familiair with the organisation.

QuietWind
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 07:06 PM
I agree with how the article points out other sources of calcium other than Milk. Everything good that is in Milk you can get from other sources. For example, whole milk is recommended for toddlers through their second year because the extra fat is found to be needed for brain development. Whole soy milk offers the same extra fat content. Breastmilk is still the best thing for a child and for brain development even at that age. These days, soy milk has improved greatly. You can buy the most delicious soy milks. I doubt that Milk is necessary for life, but I wouldn't say that it is harmful either. It certainly taste good and some recipes just wouldn't be the same without it. Soy products have evolved, but not enough to totally replace milk in the taste department, and I have never like tofu products at all.

Agrippa
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 07:09 PM
Milk is not that important for me in pure form, as it isnt nowadays for most people around, but just think in how many recipes it is, and most things doesnt taste as good without it.

Imperator X
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 08:13 PM
Are these people serious? Yuk.

Yeah, really! Gross! What is it with these Vegans? You know there are humane ways to extract milk and cheese, and it's not unhealthy for you. I don't see the appeal of living on roots and toobers for the rest of your life.:stop

I am pisco-vegetarian not vegan.

Northern Paladin
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 08:32 PM
What's insane is PETA. They would sooner see people starve to death than a chicken lose a feather.

Imperator X
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 10:46 PM
What's insane is PETA. They would sooner see people starve to death than a chicken lose a feather.

PETA also has no concern for when domestic cats kill off natural indigenous wildlife. :thumbdown

Agrippa
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 11:03 PM
PETA also has no concern for when domestic cats kill off natural indigenous wildlife. :thumbdown

Animal welfare can be a problem for protection of species too, thats right. Extreme animal welfare is just irrational and sentimental in a negative sense.

Imperator X
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 11:18 PM
I'm not familiair with the organisation.

They have no concern for the fact that domestic cats are killing off indigenous natural wildlife. :thumbsdow

Nordgau
Sunday, August 21st, 2005, 11:45 PM
Heil Milch! :worship

Esther_Helena
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 03:58 AM
These people are just.... wow.
I don't like plain white milk. I do like chocolate and strawberry milk, and milk in cereal, and in food.
Maybe I'm the odd one out, but I'd MUCH rather drink cow or even goats milk than human. Ewww. When I was a baby, of course. As an adult? Hell no. Cows please.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 06:34 AM
The retention of the ability to digest lactose as adults is probably the most basic of Indo-European mutations. It is the first Neolithic mutation. It opened up a whole new resource of food for these people which the older hunting-gathering peoples did not have. Because of this mutation, our ancestors (or at least some of them) spread all over Europe because their food supply was mobile. This is our big genetic advantage over other peoples of the world.

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 12:19 PM
Heil Milch! :worship
Heil mjólk! :thumbup

I really like milk. I can drink more than a liter of milk every day. I can drink it like water, I dont find much taste when I drink milk I almost dont find any taste, since I have drunk so much milk in my life it has almost become a neutral taste for me. I can even drink lots of warm milk.


"There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life. It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today."
It was not designed for humans. Of course not! What natural product was designed for humans? None I would think, since nothing natural is designed. Pherhaps he thinks there is some being (Jehova perhaps?) that designes everything in nature? What a silly idea. :thumbdown

Thusnelda
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 02:26 PM
Soy products have evolved, but not enough to totally replace milk in the taste department, and I have never like tofu products at all.
A friend of mine is totally into soy milk and products. :D It nerves as hell. One time I had to try a Soy milk kakao...I can say that soy milk dont tastes like real milk, and you cant cook typical milk meals with soy milk, for example Auflauf, Küchl, Pudding and so on.

Milk isnt harmful, either...at least not for lactose tolerant people like us Europeans or European-americans.

But people are allowed to choose free what they want to drink or not. I dont drink goose milk, anyway...;) Only cow milk.

(While talking about this, it reminds me on a boy at my former school. He was total anti against anything. As we talked about milk and veganism one time, he tried to be extravagant and sayed "Cow milk may be good, but bull milk is way better!" ...*g* :D Oh my, we laughed so loudly about him...

Zyklop
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 03:17 PM
(While talking about this, it reminds me on a boy at my former school. He was total anti against anything. As we talked about milk and veganism one time, he tried to be extravagant and sayed "Cow milk may be good, but bull milk is way better!" ...*g* :D Oh my, we laughed so loudly about him...
In other words, you bullied him?

(ok, that was lame... :D)

Agrippa
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 03:21 PM
he tried to be extravagant

If males try to be extravagant... :D

Gorm the Old
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 03:58 PM
I'll say one thing in favor of milk. Nothing I heve ever encountered soothes heartburn faster.

Thusnelda
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 04:12 PM
In other words, you bullied him?

He deserved it sometimes! :D

Ewergrin
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 04:14 PM
They have no concern for the fact that domestic cats are killing off indigenous natural wildlife. :thumbsdow
Such as? Rodents and insects?

Sigel
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 04:23 PM
It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today."
I'm sure lots of Asians would agree.

Ewergrin
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 04:39 PM
It was designed for calves, not humans, and we should all stop drinking it today."
I am sick to death of this illogical way of thinking.

There is no such thing as a life without risk. According to his logic, I guess we should ban any food that contains peanuts because a handful of humans who walk this earth are severely allergic to them. While were at it, I guess we should keep people from fucking, because that's how babies are made, and the only way to protect ourselves from death is to not exist at all! The idea that everyone should refrain from things like milk, because it can have adverse affects in some people is assanine. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but thousands of years of human existence negates virtually everything this guy has to say. We are milk drinkers. The lunatic fringe are trying to challenge the very basic, fundamental way that mankind sustains its existence. And for what? To add a few years to our very short lifes? Mankind was not meant to live forever, or even more than 80-90 years. At that point, life usually becomes miserable and people wish for death. Stopping mankind from drinking milk isn't going to change that. We will still die, and we will still be plagued with disease and sickness.

Milk or no milk, we will still be dead in the end.

Sigel
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 06:04 PM
I am sick to death of this illogical way of thinking.
There is no such thing as a life without risk. Milk or no milk, we will still be dead in the end.
Damn right. North Europeans have also evolved to take milk and alcohol. Other races have trouble with these substances.

It’s evolution I guess.

Draco
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005, 03:41 AM
Without cheese, be it feta, helvarti, gouda, gorgonzola, muenster, American, monterey jack, parmesan, mozzarella, and the like life becomes less enjoyable.

Yogurt, milk, and cream has uses in cooking too.

Mistress Klaus
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005, 01:55 PM
I am sick to death of this illogical way of thinking.
While were at it, I guess we should keep people from fucking, because that's how babies are made,

;) Yes and why not...without being outright racist...I could think of many races that would benefit from this non sex policy...

Scholar
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by Siegfried
Which elements of your physical health require the consumption of milk?



Well, I'll tell you from my personal experience. I like lifting weights and I always drink a milk shake after. The fat helps cushion the joints, the "liquid" protiens arrives to my muscles faster and I recover much faster. The vitamin D and the calcium help build my bone strength due to iregular stress I add to them. So I'd say that milk is my best friend when it comes to physical health.

Blood_Axis
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005, 03:43 PM
I don't like the taste and smell of milk at all, and therefore I only drunk a few glasses of milk in my life.

Now I regret, as my bones are not as strong as I'd wish.

My mother who also hated milk, is 50 years old and already she suffers from a pre-osteoporosis stage. She has to be taking supplements and has severe back problems.

I try to at least eat cheese and yogurt to compensate for the loss now.. :shrug

Agrippa
Tuesday, August 23rd, 2005, 03:50 PM
Without cheese, be it feta, helvarti, gouda, gorgonzola, muenster, American, monterey jack, parmesan, mozzarella, and the like life becomes less enjoyable.

Yogurt, milk, and cream has uses in cooking too.

Sure, you see it in the Asian cuisine, it is delicious, but it just lacks certain things we have, and one of the most important is definitely cheese & Co. Of course Lact. Int. is much stronger there, but cheese (esp. Swiss method) is better to digest than milk.

Landser
Wednesday, August 24th, 2005, 02:58 PM
Such as? Rodents and insects?

They kill off many exotic birds, especially on isolated islands where the birds have never had any predators and do not have the run-away instincts.

Esther_Helena
Sunday, August 28th, 2005, 06:48 PM
I actually went to the site.
Delicious and soy are two words that should never be used in the same sentence.
Also, I'm all for proper treatment of animals, but why worry so damn much about a COW. What about all the impovershed PEOPLE? Hmm? What about the child who has to scavenge for food? I think cows are kinda cute, and damn tasty too. I think the whole go veggie and save animals is retarted. What do they think carnivores do? What a bunch of reerees.
People have been drinking milk for generations upon generations, and what do ya know? No one died from it. (Unless they were lactose intolerant I guess.). aaand I'm rambling.

Agrippa
Sunday, August 28th, 2005, 08:43 PM
I actually went to the site.
Delicious and soy are two words that should never be used in the same sentence.
Also, I'm all for proper treatment of animals, but why worry so damn much about a COW. What about all the impovershed PEOPLE? Hmm? What about the child who has to scavenge for food? I think cows are kinda cute, and damn tasty too. I think the whole go veggie and save animals is retarted. What do they think carnivores do? What a bunch of reerees.
People have been drinking milk for generations upon generations, and what do ya know? No one died from it. (Unless they were lactose intolerant I guess.). aaand I'm rambling.

I can just agree with you, the world they believe in never existed and will never exist, its a hypersensitive illusion. You dont die of LIT, you just can't use milk as efficient as LT people and have digestive problems.

simplex
Monday, August 29th, 2005, 07:16 AM
Heil mjólk! :thumbup
I really like milk. I can drink more than a liter of milk every day. I can drink it like water, I dont find much taste when I drink milk I almost dont find any taste, since I have drunk so much milk in my life it has almost become a neutral taste for me. I can even drink lots of warm milk.

Dont find much taste? Try leaving it out a few days :D.

Dorpmuller
Monday, October 17th, 2005, 10:06 PM
Well, from the time I was an infant I was lactose intolerant... so I've always hated the taste and smell of straight milk-sets off my gag reflex.

However, I'm OK with it in cheese and other dairy products... I can't imagine not eating cheese! :~(

Soy milk is good but you have to know what to use it in... I use vanilla flavored on cereals and cook hot cereals with it and they're good. Forget drinking it straight. Tried it in coffee once when I ran out of regular milk...:thruponsb (!!)

Used to be a total vegetarian but I missed seafood too much. I try to stick to the NS ideal of diet but don't succeed lots of the time.

Check out this article I found... forgot where though.

Rich


The Aryan Diet






"You are what you eat."

We've all heard the slogan a thousand times, and probably haven't given it much thought as to what it really means.

The modern "American" diet is a daily regimen of crap and junk. This diet is foisted throughout the world, too, by monolithic icons of Americanism like McDonald's and Coca-Cola.



Adolf Hitler prescribed a healthful diet for himself, and for his followers. (file:///C:/NS_Frames/Nazi%20research%20on%20cancer%20and%20pu blic%20health.htm#diet)

He avoided the ubiquitous poisons of tobacco and alcohol, and eschewed meat, preferring simple, more nourishing food. Yet, if we consider the habits of most Aryans (and so-called "Aryans"), few there are who understand Hitler's lifestyle, let alone practice it!






Most enlightened Aryans recognize Jewish television as the mind pollution it is, and restrict or eliminate it from their families' lives.





Nearly all enlightened Aryans recognize race-mixing as genetic pollution fatal to our kind. Unfortunately, body pollution is a nearly equal threat to our Folk's well-being, and indeed, it fosters embrace of the former two pollutants by diminshing bodily strength and resistance, and mental and spiritual stamina and insight.



We enlightened Aryans stand for Nature and Her Laws, and their application in our lives. Yet, our typical diet is as distant from Nature's whole foods as race-mixing is from natural mating. The mass-production, profit-generating, convenience-oriented diet is artificial and adulterated, bastardizing Nature's Bounty with preservatives, pesticides, sweeteners, colorings, nutrient-reduction (i.e., white bread & rice), and most recently, genetic engineering. It is, to paraphrase Hitler, "a diet for untermenschen," but not for a Folk that claims to strive for higher consciousness, higher evolution.
The German government of Adolf Hitler made well-known advances in scientific knowledge, giving Germany (and the world) amazing technological breakthroughs. Less well-known are the Hitler Administration's efforts to encourage Aryans to utilize Nature's strengths inherent in real, whole foods, and its research and educational campaigns to properly understand and root out diseases of all types. Positive preventative health measures, from the world's first promotion of breast self-exams to production requirements for whole-grain breads were developed in the Third Reich. Apple cider was to be the National Socialist Volksgetrank (People's Drink), with both soda pop and booze accurately identified as poisons to be avoided. This wisdom was promoted decades before the health and nutrition trends of America and "the West." *

In addition to diet, the Hitler Administration promoted natural means to cure ailments. Heinrich Himmler was an outspoken advocate of herbal remedies as well as vegetarianism, and production of herbs and research on what we today call "alternative" therapies were undertaken, and sometimes pioneered in Hitler's Germany, often by the SS. Himmler nurtured naturopathic medicine, and prefered raw, whole foods for himself -- *and* his Schwarze Korps!



Racial pollution comes in several forms. It is undeniable that consumable poisons represent an unnecessary, sadly voluntary, and critical threat to our Folk's health and probability for perpetual survival. It is the *duty* of all Aryans to educate themselves about the problem, and take *immediate* steps to reduce, and then eliminate the problem. "Fast food" is overpriced and toxic, and popular drinks merely serve to inebriate and debilitate (this includes mass-produced beers). The money spent on one "happy meal" [sic] could purchase two or more high-quality, nutritious, and yes, delicious whole foods meals.


Healthy eating and "alternative" medicines and therapies are not "progressive" concepts borrowed from the counterculture of the libertine "liberals" and race-mixers. They are *our* heritage from our ancestors. Capitalism seeks profit, not health, with most packaged or quickly prepared foods; if it comes in a paper wrapper or a plastic bag, it probably isn't good for you, or your wallet. It is our choice to follow multinational, "multicultural" megacorporations like McDonald's, Coca-Cola, and RJR Nabisco, or, to follow Mother Nature. If we choose to eat trash, we are, indeed, what we eat.


Whole Food - Pure Water - Wholesome, Pure Aryans.

* For an excellent accounting of the topic, read Robert Proctor's "The Nazi War On Cancer," particularly chapter 5, "The Nazi Diet."

Vanir
Saturday, October 22nd, 2005, 10:41 AM
I'm sure lots of Asians would agree.

:thumbsup I could not live without Milk, I drink about 1litre every day. My better half drinks even more than me too!

Never trust the lactose intolerant.

Zyklop
Saturday, October 22nd, 2005, 03:37 PM
Never trust the lactose intolerant.Best slogan ever! :D

Siegfried
Saturday, October 22nd, 2005, 03:53 PM
I could not live without Milk, I drink about 1litre every day. My better half drinks even more than me too! Never trust the lactose intolerant.

I've disliked milk for as long as I can remember, and stopped drinking it many years ago. As far as I know, this has nothing to do with being lactose intolerant, as I do eat a lot of cheese (me being Dutch and all ;) ) and other products derived from milk.

Land Monster
Thursday, November 24th, 2005, 12:06 PM
I've disliked milk for as long as I can remember, and stopped drinking it many years ago. As far as I know, this has nothing to do with being lactose intolerant, as I do eat a lot of cheese (me being Dutch and all ;) ) and other products derived from milk.

I agree with you there. I couldn't stand milk for a long time until I tried non-homogenized milk, it just tastes so much better.
http://www.bdfarmpariscreek.com.au/

Ása
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 05:16 PM
It's PETA, and therefore invalid by default. PETA SUCKS.

Ugh I can't stand that organization. Its propaganda.


PETA claims animal research is useless to the medical field, but their Vice President, Mary Beth Sweetland, has no problem injecting insulin to help control her diabetes. She claims that she is not a hypocrite, but she needs her life to continue fighting for animals.

juno
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 05:23 PM
Never trust the lactose intolerant.

mmmm i'm lactose intolerant:mad:
sadly i really like milk but not enough to drink it and get sick,
the same with chees :(

leonidas
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 05:45 PM
I like milk !I drink coffee or tea with some milk!

Weg
Friday, March 31st, 2006, 10:28 PM
I love milk! Milk rules!

newenstad
Saturday, April 1st, 2006, 08:57 AM
I like milk in my coffe or when I´m drinking hot chocolate...

Innipunn
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 02:24 AM
Nah. I drink more milk than I drink water. Milk is good!

Ewergrin
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 02:32 AM
I drink a lot of skim milk. I can't even handle 1% milk, it's just so thick feeling. Just last night we ate dinner at my wifes parents home, and her mother only had 1% in the fridge. I feel as if I am drinking half and half or straight cream when drinking any milk besides skim.

Other than water, which I drink mass quantities of daily, I only drink either skim milk or tea. I never drink soda or any carbonated beverages.

Gagnraad
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 02:34 AM
I drink many litres of water a day. And sometimes I drink more than two litres of milk a day.

Sometimes, I drink beer all the day. :D

freya3
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 03:11 AM
I drink a lot of skim milk. I can't even handle 1% milk, it's just so thick feeling. Just last night we ate dinner at my wifes parents home, and her mother only had 1% in the fridge. I feel as if I am drinking half and half or straight cream when drinking any milk besides skim.

Other than water, which I drink mass quantities of daily, I only drink either skim milk or tea. I never drink soda or any carbonated beverages.


I can taste the fat in the milk even 1% :eek YUCK, so I too drink lots of skim milk( about a gallon every 3 days). I drink my 8 glasses of H2O a day too. I wasn't drinking cola until after Jena was born, but I now drink 1-2 Vault Zeros a day to keep up w/my babies!!

Sifsvina
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 03:28 AM
That's funny, I'm the opposite, I can't stand anything but whole milk, I'd rather drink straight 1/2 and 1/2 (yumm!) than anything less. The quality of the milk can matter alot, it varies from brand to brand and organic is always better. I try not to do much dairy (sensitivities) so it's mostly just the occasional 1/2 and 1/2 latte for a treat. Hazelnut milk is really delicious but it's too strongly flavored for a good milk substitute in things. I use almond or rice milk for cereal, when you get the right brand with the right cereal it can be quite good. But it's not real milk!

Northerner
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 05:12 AM
I love milk.

When I was growing up on the farm, I drank lots of whole, fresh milk and made butter from the cream. Unfortunately, I am a long way from my rural roots living here Salt Lake City.

Mathieu
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 09:50 AM
What is skim milk? Milk without fat?

I can't drink milk that is below 2%, then it is just coloured water. I just love cream, milk, butter and cheese, I would be quite sad without all this :)

freya3
Tuesday, August 15th, 2006, 12:10 PM
Skim milk has no fat, and it does taste watery @ first. The thing is once you drink it and get used to it, other milk tastes bad :P at least to me it does...

Ewergrin
Wednesday, August 16th, 2006, 02:59 AM
Skim milk has no fat, and it does taste watery @ first. The thing is once you drink it and get used to it, other milk tastes bad :P at least to me it does...
I agree with this.
It's not that I dislike whole milk, or 1-2% milk, it's just that it makes me ill to dink it when it's beyond skim, because my body just can't handle the ultra rich stuff anymore.

nordicdusk
Thursday, August 17th, 2006, 09:19 AM
I never drink milk at all i just dont like it.Use to drink it when i was a kid but i just stopped liking it.

saga
Thursday, November 9th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Rarely do I ever drink milk, except for what I put in my coffee. I just don't like the mouth-feel of it...however, I am really into cheeses of all sorts, especially artisanal, home-crafted types and those aged cheeses made with raw milk. I like yogurt, too. Dairy products rock!

Willow
Thursday, November 9th, 2006, 10:23 PM
I like milk chocolate though, hard to give up.

Willow
Thursday, November 9th, 2006, 10:25 PM
I, myself, am not a baby cow and so have no need of cow's milk....

Přrdy Mountain
Thursday, November 9th, 2006, 10:34 PM
As my grandparents used to run a farm, we were forced to drink fresh milk from time to time.. Yuck. It was so thick that I barely was able to swallow it, but we still had to drink one glass a day.. "It's good for your health," my grandmother said with a great deal of nodding to prove her statement. :doh Well, I say no.

However, I do drink skim milk, so she hasn't ruined me or my taste for milk completely :)

Gagnraad
Tuesday, November 14th, 2006, 07:15 PM
As my grandparents used to run a farm, we were forced to drink fresh milk from time to time.. Yuck. It was so thick that I barely was able to swallow it, but we still had to drink one glass a day.. "It's good for your health," my grandmother said with a great deal of nodding to prove her statement. :doh Well, I say no.
I remember that, and I liked it. I loved milk then, and I love it now. :)

Walvater Wotan's Son
Wednesday, November 15th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Milk with breakfast especially cereal, Milk with spicy food, Milk with pb n j, Milk with beef stew, Milk with cookies! Milk is great!

I dont think its good for inactive "lazy" people cause then youll just get overwieght.:doh

Vikingland
Monday, November 20th, 2006, 09:47 PM
Me, when I was 13. "I've been trying to gain weight, except I want to avoid looking like the average obese teen in my area. I can eat like a bottomless pit and I work out everyday." (Martial Arts, Sports etc)
My wise grandfather's response (he doesn't speak often) "Drink milk and lift weights, even at the same time, your bones will grow strong and you will gain weight." Was I supposed to turn down that offer? No, and he was actually right. The only downside to drinking milk, that I have experienced, is the effects on your skin and the fact that after I drink, even a large quantity, I'm still thirsty.

Uí Fiachrach
Tuesday, November 21st, 2006, 03:52 AM
I drink beer(Reinheitsgebot produced beer) and water(Fresh spring water), The only time I drink milk is when it is fresh from the cow, I simply cannot understand how anybody can classify pasteurized/skimmed milk as being..well milk, it's not, that's akin to saying "Mountain dew" actually tastes like the dew found in mountains.

Ausswolf
Thursday, January 4th, 2007, 04:59 AM
Damn right. North Europeans have also evolved to take milk and alcohol. Other races have trouble with these substances.

It’s evolution I guess.

Exactly what a genetics professor I had said and I think I'll believe him over what PETA says :runaway Without meat and dairy their would be no northern european race.

I believe the fact that the dutch are now the tallest people followed by scandinavia has been attributed to them having the highest dairy intake in the world respectively. Also the tallest most advanced subsaharan africans are the Masaai which drink a cows milk + blood concoction.

Spirit of Fire
Sunday, January 7th, 2007, 07:27 AM
I hate milk but I love dairy, especially cheese and ice cream. Cheese is the best thing on earth, imho. Kudos to Ausswolf for making an excellent point!

Aeternitas
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 08:06 AM
I didn't always like it, but I occasionally drink milk and actually, the "it's healthy" some of us heard as kids isn't far from the truth according to what I've read. Here's a recent article:
Milk keeps men healthy (http://www.health24.com/news/Healthy_eating/1-919,41142.asp)

Bridie
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 09:17 AM
the "it's healthy" some of us heard as kids isn't far from the truth according to what I've read. Here's a recent article:
Milk keeps men healthy

Strange how it only seems to apply to men. :scratch: Does anyone know why?

Ausswolf
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 10:19 AM
Strange how it only seems to apply to men. :scratch: Does anyone know why?

Because the study only involved men I believe. I'd say there's a pretty good chance it applies to women too though haha

Aeternitas
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 10:51 AM
I think it's because the study involved only men as well.

There are other sources I've read about the health benefits of milk which aren't gender based. The article on men was just the most recent news I came across. :)

Here's another link:

http://www.milkdelivers.org/vending/healthbenefits.cfm (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.milk delivers.org%2Fvending%2Fhealthbenefits. cfm)

According to the National Academy of Sciences, children and adults should drink 24 oz. of milk each day. Teens should drink even more — at least 32 oz. of milk a day.

[...]

Why milk?

We all know that the calcium in milk helps build strong bones, but milk is loaded with eight other essential vitamins and minerals.

Calcium: Helps build and maintain strong bones. It's also vital for nerve function, muscle contraction, and blood clotting.
Protein: Important for a number of bodily functions — vital to brain development and the growth of body tissues.
Vitamin A: Maintains normal vision and skin. Helps regulate cell growth and integrity of the immune system.
Vitamin B-12: Essential for the growth and health of the nervous system. Linked to normal activity of folic acid and is involved in blood formation.
Vitamin D: Promotes the absorption of calcium and phosphorus, and influences bone mineralization, the strengthening of bones.
Potassium: Regulates the body's fluid balance and blood pressure. It also is needed for muscle activity and contractions.
Phosphorus: Helps generate energy in the body's cells and influences bone mineralization, the strengthening of bones.
Niacin: Keeps enzymes functioning normally and helps the body process sugars and fatty acids. It is also important for the development of the nervous system.
Riboflavin: Helps produce energy in the body's cells and plays a vital role in the development of the nervous system. [...]

Thusnelda
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 02:34 PM
I love milk, I drink milk regurarly every day! Milk is fine! :D

It begins in the morning with my corn-flakes in milk and kakao. With sweet meals, I always drink a glass (or two) of milk. For example with Pancakes, Jam Bread, cookies and so on.

Oh, and I only drink Milk with 3,5% fat since my birth. Milk with less fat does taste bad for me.

Ewergrin
Thursday, July 19th, 2007, 02:51 PM
I can only stomach skim milk. The rest tastes like pure cream to me. I only have milk with cereal these days, which is not often, maybe twice a week. Millk has a lot of calories and can produce a "milk gut" if injested obsessively.

Outdoorsman
Friday, July 20th, 2007, 12:07 AM
An alternate view...

http://www.realmilk.com/

http://www.rawmilk.org/

Leofric
Friday, July 20th, 2007, 12:20 AM
The rest tastes like pure cream to me.
Which is also a delicious drink!

I love milk. I get sick if I go even a week without it. And if I try to cut costs by drinking skim milk, it won't keep me healthy.

I also love to make my own dairy products. Nothing beats homemade butter!

Unfortunately, the cost of milk is going up all over the country right now as more and more corn farmers are fermenting their crop to sell as fuel instead of selling it to dairy farmers. The dairy farmers consequently have to pay more for feed and they pass on the the expense to us. To think that people are more in love with their SUVs than their own bones. Disgusting!

Plus, I was talking with an engineer about the whole thing and he was telling me he'd done some calculations and found that it would actually be more efficient to feed the corn to oxen yoked up to electrical turbines in a power plant than to turn it into ethanol for auto fuel. If they were making butanol instead of ethanol (which is done by culturing the sour mash with a particular bacterium), he says it would be more cost-efficient, but ethanol is apparently not as efficient a fuel source for cars as corn is for oxen.

I'd love the natural approach, myself. Let the corn feed the animals and don't share your beer with your BMW.

And then we could have more milk!

Ausswolf
Friday, July 20th, 2007, 04:08 AM
I agree Leofric. My protein just went up in price because of this :~(
I'm onto the pure stuff these days (milk protein concentrate and whey isolate) instead of the ones with all the added crap.

Bridie
Friday, July 20th, 2007, 04:16 AM
I hate milk as a drink.... makes me feel nauseous to even contemplate drinking it. :D Although I must admit I do use milk or cream in some cooking.... but more often I substitute coconut or soy milk for dairy. And I LOVE soy milk as a straight drink. (Don't even get me started on tofu! :P )

I'm one of those evil people who believe that humans are not supposed to consume homogenised, pasteurised dairy products ;) ... and even then, raw, natural dairy complete with all enzymes and bacteria to aid digestion, should only be consumed in moderation.

However, not all homogenised, pasteurised dairy is so bad in my eyes... yoghurt is definitely a health food due to the presence of the live yoghurt culture bacteria, and butter is the lesser of two evils when compared with margarine. :thumbsup I never buy margarine - too much artificial crap added to it.

Berserkergang
Monday, January 18th, 2010, 04:53 PM
The calcium thing is a garbage myth. Milk and other dairy products, especially cheese, have an EXTREMELY acidifying affect on the body. Just about as acidic as drinking coke. When your blood ph becomes acidic, it leeches calcium from the bones to help fight the acid/alkaline balance. And dairy is by far the most acidic food group. Thus any calcium in milk is totally negated. In fact you will more than likely have weaker bones if you consume dairy.

GermanJerseyGuy
Saturday, August 14th, 2010, 04:19 PM
I drink Milk almost daily but I limit to 8 ounces to not to spike my insulin too much. When needing to gain mass the GOMAD program works excellent for those who can tolerate it well, which I do.

Gallon
Of
Milk
A
Day

SaxonPagan
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 05:56 PM
This may have been mentioned previously (I haven't read all 80 posts) but goat's milk is supposedly much better for you than cow's milk. I decided to try some of this last year as I suffered from chronic catarrh/sinus/ear problems and it cleared everything up within just a few weeks! I also finds it tastes better and haven't drunk any cow's milk at all since switching over.

Hamar Fox
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 06:42 PM
There's no reason to drink cow's milk at any time in your life.

Except that it's delicious.

Vindefense
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 09:43 PM
I agree, milk is delicious but I stopped drinking it over 2 years ago. Since then I drink almond milk and not only do I feel more energetic I also can not honestly recall the last time I had any sickness. Honestly, what animal continues to drink milk after they are weened? No wonder the world is full of fat lazy bovines that never grow up.

Víđálfr
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 09:53 PM
I have a problem with drinking (cow) milk, so I avoid it, but I sometimes eat milk based products, like cheese and such. And I agree on the goat milk thing that Godwinson said a few posts earlier, I actually prefer products made of goat milk, excepting one particular type of cheese made of sheep milk, specific for my home country, which I like very much.

And, of course, I love soy/rice/almond milk, as far as they are 100% natural, and freshly made!

Anselm
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 09:55 PM
The calcium thing is a garbage myth. Milk and other dairy products, especially cheese, have an EXTREMELY acidifying affect on the body. Just about as acidic as drinking coke. When your blood ph becomes acidic, it leeches calcium from the bones to help fight the acid/alkaline balance. And dairy is by far the most acidic food group. Thus any calcium in milk is totally negated. In fact you will more than likely have weaker bones if you consume dairy.

Exactly! Osteoporosis is caused by calcium loss.

"After looking at 34 published studies in 16 countries, researchers at Yale University found that the countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis—including the United States, Sweden, and Finland—were those in which people consumed the most meat, milk, and other animal foods. This study also showed that African-Americans, who consume, on average, more than 1,000 mg of calcium per day, are nine times more likely to experience hip fractures than are South African blacks, whose daily calcium intake is only about 196 mg. Says McDougall, "On a nation-by-nation basis, people who consume the most calcium have the weakest bones and the highest rates of osteoporosis. ... Only in thoseplaces where calcium and protein are eaten in relatively high quantities does a deficiency of bone calcium exist, due to an excess of animal protein."

Thusnelda
Friday, September 3rd, 2010, 10:11 PM
This may have been mentioned previously (I haven't read all 80 posts) but goat's milk is supposedly much better for you than cow's milk. I decided to try some of this last year as I suffered from chronic catarrh/sinus/ear problems and it cleared everything up within just a few weeks! I also finds it tastes better and haven't drunk any cow's milk at all since switching over.
Well, I´ve tried both goat and sheep milk but it gave me the creeps. :death I definately can´t stand the taste and the same counts for products who are made by goat milk, like cheese or yoghurt. So I´m definately a cow milk fanatic. :bcoffee There´s hardly a day in my life without any bit of cow milk. It doesn´t harm me and it tastes delicious, you can create so many drinks and meals with milk, it´s really awesome.

http://www.ludesch.at/albums/motive/Montafoner_Braunvieh_von_Walter_Zerlauth 4_07_Jutta_Soraperra.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3d/MU.Lünersee.Braunvieh.JPG/800px-MU.Lünersee.Braunvieh.JPG
http://kaesemarkt.eu/media/milchviehschau/kuh.jpg

There´s nothing better than milk from free-roaming cows of Bavarian and Alpine races (Braunvieh, Grauvieh, Pinzgauer, etc.). :thumbup

wittwer
Sunday, September 5th, 2010, 04:21 PM
I've had goat's milk as both milk and cheese. Not bad. Sheep's milk as cheese, also not bad. Both are rather tasty. Yet, both are rather expensive in my neck of the woods. As for cow's milk and it's products, especially cheese, drink it (at least the skim variety) and eat it all the time. Preferabally, I'll take a good cheese over meat any day. ;)

But when it's cold, dark, and wet outside and there is nothing better to eat, anything will do. Even C-Rats, M.R.E.'s and bug soup. :P

Reshki
Sunday, September 5th, 2010, 06:33 PM
I love milk.

Drink it.
Make cheese of it.
Make butter of it.

Mmm, mmm, good.

Caledonian
Thursday, October 21st, 2010, 06:46 PM
I only drink milk if it's chocolate, in a malt, or if it is boiled mixed with honey.

I never really liked drinking milk by itself.

flâneur
Thursday, October 21st, 2010, 07:03 PM
I know this is a bit off topic but i thought i'd mention it for a laugh.

When i joined the army years ago we had to sit a test,they arrange it at the end of the month so they could get a bunch of us together.
The army recruiting sergeant told us a couple of weeks before that it was a difficult exam and told us to swot up on science,some maths and also general knowledge.

One of the first question was....

What beverage do we get from cows.........:-O

I thought it was a trick question at first,and had a quick look around the room at the others only to be amazed that there was much furrowing of brows and scratching of heads going on......even guys peeking over their neighbours shoulder to cheat.
The rest of the questions were in the same vein......jesus anybody could get in the army back then.

Ralf
Friday, October 22nd, 2010, 03:12 AM
Makes sense to me what I read, that the milk industry is so industrialised that its one of the main reasons cancer is so prevalant in the West.

They feed all these growth hormones to cattle so they grow up bigger and faster, and they have these huge unnatural udders, well, all that growth hormone gets in you and feeds the cancer that is probably dormant in us all.

I too only drink Goats milk, hoping it is still a natural cottage industry in comparison.

What will milk do for us when it comes from these geneticallly althered cows?

Northumbria
Wednesday, December 29th, 2010, 06:23 PM
Apparently grains aren't entirely a natural part of our diet and yet form the bulk of it today so just because we didn't used to eat or drink something in the past there is no reason why we shouldn't now.

Cancel
Tuesday, April 12th, 2011, 08:15 AM
For any who cite we are the only animals that drink the milk of another animal after child-years...

I say we are (last I heard) the only habitual upright walkers, and the only creature to have such high technology(nukes, anyone?)

Here here, for milk!

Valkar
Saturday, May 21st, 2011, 08:48 PM
How can you say that? Milk is a superdrink for humans. Its no strange that babies drink milk. Milk contains a dozen of Vitamins, it contains calcium and proteins. Eating Rolled oats with milk in combination with a proper workout is very powerfull!