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Ewergrin
Saturday, July 5th, 2003, 11:31 PM
I have no idea of her ancestry, though I have a few guesses.

CelticLover
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 01:36 AM
Is that Tori Amos? If not, it sure looks like her!

Ewergrin
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 01:40 AM
Yes it is, in fact, Tori Amos.

Milesian
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 01:53 AM
Hmmm looks a bit Slavic to me.

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 01:34 AM
I don't think she looks Slavic at all although I'm not really sure what a Slavic racial type looks like.


Anyway, she's very pretty. You have excellent taste in women, kriegsmaschine. :glasses

Ewergrin
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Sigrun Christianson
I don't think she looks Slavic at all although I'm not really sure what a Slavic racial type looks like.


Anyway, she's very pretty. You have excellent taste in women, kriegsmaschine. :glasses

Thank you very much, Sigrun. I try. I find almost none of todays women attractive. The only ones I can think of are Tori Amos and Laura Prepon. I will attach a picture of Laura Prepon:

Saoirse
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 02:22 AM
That's a Jew above who dyes her hair red from black.

Ewergrin
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 08:14 AM
Originally posted by IrishBen
That's a Jew above who dyes her hair red from black.

Substantiate this claim.

Zimmer Mann
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 08:38 AM
She's half Irish, half jewish.

Saoirse
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 11:48 AM
I saw an interview with her and she says shes a total mutt of Irish catholic, Russian and Jew.

mav0ric
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by kriegsmaschine
Substantiate this claim.

She is not White. She is a jew. I had seen a tv interview with her talking about her jewish roots and I was in shock. I would never have guessed personally.

Here is her www.jewhoo.com entry;

Laura Prepon - Attractive young actress who plays the "sassy" redheaded neighbor, Donna Pinciotti, on, "That '70s Show". In the January, 2001 issue of "Maxim" magazine it says: "Born on March 7, 1980, in Wacthung, New Jersey, of Irish Catholic, Russian Jewish heritage...".

Ewergrin
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by mav0ric
She is not White. She is a jew. I had seen a tv interview with her talking about her jewish roots and I was in shock. I would never have guessed personally.

Here is her www.jewhoo.com entry;

Laura Prepon - Attractive young actress who plays the "sassy" redheaded neighbor, Donna Pinciotti, on, "That '70s Show". In the January, 2001 issue of "Maxim" magazine it says: "Born on March 7, 1980, in Wacthung, New Jersey, of Irish Catholic, Russian Jewish heritage...".


I certainly would not have guessed it at all. She has been x'ed off the list. By the way, her hair is naturally red, though it may have been dyed in the picture I posted. Are you sure her family are not converts?

Scáthach
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 06:40 PM
the red hair is probably from the white irish side of her heritage :)

Saoirse
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 06:54 PM
Her hair is not natural, someone else in a "That 70's show" thread posted her real picture of black hair. Jews dye their hair.

hardcorps
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 07:18 PM
@kriegsmaschine

LOL I went through a similar 'crisis' on learning of Alicia Silverstone's Jewishness. Her surname, though, should've given it away to me.:drsuess

Milesian
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 07:24 PM
Yeah, sometimes the truth can be tough:stop

Azdaja
Monday, July 7th, 2003, 09:45 PM
Based on the pic you posted, I'd say Tori Amos looks predominantly alpine, with some slight 'nordish' strain.
Is there a profile shot of her you could post?

dehook
Monday, May 17th, 2004, 05:20 PM
Tori Amos is attractive...far from the most beautiful in the world, but each to their own.

She is a quarter Amerind. Her father is from a Scottish/Irish background (?) I think, and her mother is half Amerind. I'm not certain about anything other than the Amerind.

Agrippa
Monday, May 17th, 2004, 07:44 PM
I think she is mostly a gracialized Borreby-Nordid with possible although not really visible other admixture.

If there is something Amerindian about her, I dont see it.

dehook
Monday, May 17th, 2004, 10:06 PM
"Born in Newton, North Carolina, 32 years ago, daughter of a Methodist minister of Scottish origin and half-breed Cherokee Indian, Tori Amos is one of the most representative figures of American songwriters."

I agree, she doesn't look Amerindian. The only visible traits I can see lie in the shape of her head. Her facial features have a classic European look, even more so than many "pure" Europeans.

dark feelings
Tuesday, May 18th, 2004, 09:58 AM
She is not White. She is a jew. I had seen a tv interview with her talking about her jewish roots and I was in shock. I would never have guessed personally. most of the jews are white, but both jews and irish were thought to inferior before 100 years in the u.s.

Siegfried
Tuesday, May 18th, 2004, 10:16 AM
most of the jews are white

Only true if you define White as predominantly Caucasoid. To me, Whites form an ethnoracial group, from which Jews are excluded.

dehook
Tuesday, May 18th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Agreed. If you define "white" only in terms of skin color, then Jews are white. However, it has been said that facial features are what defines a race, and in that aspect, Jews are definitely not white as they have features that distance themselves from Europeans.

I do think that half-Jewish people (such as Gwyneth Paltrow, Alicia Silverstone) don't look obviously Jewish. But then again, some mulattos have been passing for white for a long time.

dazed&confused
Tuesday, May 18th, 2004, 03:22 PM
I saw a significant number of red-haired (and red-bearded) jews during my vacation in Israel.
They were dressed up like orthodoxes so they were undoubtedly ashkhenazi jews, surely with slavic and german ancestors.

Evolved
Wednesday, May 26th, 2004, 03:21 PM
She is pretty. I think you can see mongoloid traits in her more clearly from her younger pre-fame photos. I have many of her CDs, she seems like a cool person- read some of her quotes (http://www.angelfire.com/md2/simianline/QuotesToriamos.html). :P

dark feelings
Wednesday, May 26th, 2004, 08:18 PM
Jews dye their hair.and irish not?
so what if it isn't her natural hair color? i've seen many blonde irish women, and most of the irish men are dark haired. so they dyed their hair too, so what?

Stephen
Wednesday, May 26th, 2004, 08:21 PM
Jews...I was in Israel as well, and I've seen totally different people anatomically.
Big head, small head, big nose, small nose, hook nose, white skin, brown skin, red hair, black hair etc. etc.
I think there isnt a specific jew head at all. They are so different.

Tori Amos..I dont find her that beautiful, in fact 5/10 if I must score. :D

Theudanaz
Thursday, May 27th, 2004, 08:10 AM
BTW Amos should be a dead giveway. Hebraic if I've ever heard it. I mean, it's only a book of the OT. Her head shape could have UP/borreby influence as Agrippa suggests, but perhaps this is thru Mong/Ladog. chrysalis? As for Alicia & Gwenyth, their Non-caucasoid genes will eventually (if they haven't already) be bred out. But since "Jewishness" is tradition, passed on, it cannot be "bred out" per se, only rejected.

-Thiudans

Theudanaz
Thursday, May 27th, 2004, 08:22 AM
Apropos of the thread, I would have to amend and say that the most beautiful woman on earth (IMO) would have to be Ingibjörg Stefánsdóttir, from Viking Sagas the terrible beautiful Ralf Moeller vehicle. Sorry I couldn't find any better pics. She is most beautiful when burying an ax in a guy's skull, as in the movie.
http://www.actors-union.is/felagar/IngibjSt.jpg

Newgrange
Saturday, July 10th, 2004, 05:37 AM
in one of Tori Amos's songs,she has some angry comments directed at film director Oliver Stone. Does anyone know what that is about ?


is it bacause he is a jew :D

Imperator X
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:11 AM
I think she's Scotch-Irish with a bit of Cherokee. She lives in Cornwall now. U/P? Keltic-Nordic? Perhaps a touch of Americanoid too, hard to tell with some of these Southern Scotch-Irish.

http://www.toriamos.com/imgs/002.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:window.close();)

Imperator X
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:32 AM
Bump.

Milesian
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:35 AM
She could pass as Scottish if it weren't for the native american mixture which makes her look weird. That facial bone structure is frightening :)

QuietWind
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:40 AM
This site has many pics of her throughout the years.

http://www.public.iastate.edu/~garden/years.html


I personally find her difficult to classify.

Milesian
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:43 AM
In the second last pic (almost profile), she almost has an Armenid quality that reminds me a little of Barbara Sterisand. In the more frontal pics, her face is of a generally non-Europid shape

QuietWind
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:44 AM
Amos can claim a cultural heritage by being one-16th Cherokee Indian, Her Cherokee should be practically negligible. Funny thing genetics are. ;)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/homeentertainment/story/0,12830,1099738,00.html

http://www.chico.mweb.co.za/art/2003/2003dec/031219-tori.html

Milesian
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:46 AM
Genotype doesn't always equal Phenotype, although they are obviously connected :P

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 02:36 AM
I can see Silvoid admixture in her facial shape, but I would say she is predominantly Nordid/Cro-Magnoid.

QuietWind
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 04:25 AM
I can see Silvoid admixture in her facial shape, but I would say she is predominantly Nordid/Cro-Magnoid. I don't see any Nordid. What is nordid?

Her height, for those interested, is only 5'2".

I do think she may have some UP. Possibly some Alpinid (or it could be the Amerindian influence giving the effect.) Not sure what else there is present. :shrug

Her face appears broad in some photos and in others it looks narrower-- could be makeup and hair effects. In three quarters profile her face has the somewhat flattened/broad look to it (and try not to read too much into my use of the word "flattened" as I often use adjectives differently than others do.) Her nose is slightly convexed. She has a slight dimple in her chin. Her chin is very small-- chin length from the mouth. Her lips are medium-full with the bottom lip slightly fuller-- make up effects amplify this in some photos. Her hair, judging from childhood pre-dyed photos-- looks to be a deep brown with a reddish tone. Her eyes look to be hazelish. In frontal, her cheeks and jaw are strong with her cheeks jutting out moreso than her jaw. Her eyes, in profile and three-quarters, appear to be more sunken in than in frontal. Ummmm, can't think of how to describe anything else right now.

Skildur
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 04:34 AM
She might be heavy mixed. I don't see much Nordid in her either. But she's good piano player. :D

Edwin
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 05:16 AM
She does fall within the Cro-Magnoid range, as also do many pure Silvids, like it or not.

When the Silvid mixes with Cro-Magnoid stock, it usually produces a modified though still recognizably Cro-Magnoid type, because there is no reduction.

However, with Capelloid stock, it creates an obviously mixed type, even in 1/4 or 1/8 proportion, because it is more robust.

Rhydderch
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 01:41 PM
Genotype doesn't always equal Phenotype, although they are obviously connected :PAnd, one might add, ancestry doesn't always equate well with pheno- or genotype. For example, someone could be 1/16 Negro in ancestry and have a distinctly Negroid influence in his appearance; or he could be 1/4 Negro and you might have trouble noticing Negro features in him. It just depends on whether he has inherited many genes from that particular forbear.

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 03:34 PM
Amos is a Jewish name isn't it? So perhaps she has Jewish heritage as well. Maybe it's because Silivid approxaminates Litorid. The close spaced eyes especially.

Appalachian
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Amos is a Jewish name isn't it?

According to the Oxford Dictionary of American Family Names, it's a fairly common name in Southeast England. Additionally, it was often adopted by Puritans & non-conformists in the 16th and 17th centuries.



BTW, don't forget that there is a search function:
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=29774&highlight=tori+amos
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3389&highlight=tori+amos (<-Note: references to the jew in this thread are to Laura Prepon, not Tori Amos)

Ljót-fulfr
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 09:45 PM
I've seen that same square jawed -- high cheek bones amoung Icelanders when I was in their capital. I wouldn't say she looked all that Southern to me which in the true full-blooded sense is nothing but Celtic / Anglo-Saxon blood anyhow. Typically the presense of Cherokee / Native American does not have that affect at all. Though she could be an a-typical example.

I would classify her as being the same type as the Icelandic singer Bjork: Give me your opinion. I am thinking she is Icelandic native stock with some Eskimo? To the left is Bjork and the right Toris Amos -- the rest are Bjork. Do you agree or disagree?
http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/Bjork-photo/48256C71003578A24825689C0017213C/$file/bjork.jpghttp://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=37539
http://14142.net/bjork/bjork.jpg

http://renard.pierre.free.fr/Bjork/Bjork_photos/bjork_3.jpg

Skildur
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 09:52 PM
I've seen that same square jawed -- high cheek bones amoung Icelanders when I was in their capital. I wouldn't say she looked all that Southern to me which in the true full-blooded sense is nothing but Celtic / Anglo-Saxon blood anyhow. Typically the presense of Cherokee / Native American does not have that affect at all. Though she could be an a-typical example.

I would classify her as being the same type as the Icelandic singer Bjork: Give me your opinion. I am thinking she is Icelandic native stock with some Eskimo?
http://photo.sing365.com/music/picture.nsf/Bjork-photo/48256C71003578A24825689C0017213C/$file/bjork.jpghttp://existenz.ch/bootlegs/covers/Bjork-Unplugged_cover.jpg
http://14142.net/bjork/bjork.jpg

I think she is pred Eskimo.

Glenlivet
Tuesday, August 9th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Björk look more Lapponoid. She is almost like a North Lapp, Kackid type, in phenotype closer to Samoyeds. Her phenotype (at least in those photos) look like a proto-Lapponoid or Uralic type.

Nordenstreng (1926) wrote that some Lapps must have been brought from Norway to Iceland. I think that is the most likely explanation to her exotic look.

Northern Paladin
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 12:05 AM
According to the Oxford Dictionary of American Family Names, it's a fairly common name in Southeast England. Additionally, it was often adopted by Puritans & non-conformists in the 16th and 17th centuries.



BTW, don't forget that there is a search function:
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=29774&highlight=tori+amos
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3389&highlight=tori+amos (<-Note: references to the jew in this thread are to Laura Prepon, not Tori Amos)

I guess it's not all that suprsingly considering Jewish first names are very common.

SouthernBoy
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 12:29 AM
Björk look more Lapponoid. She is almost like a North Lapp, Kackid type, in phenotype closer to Samoyeds. Her phenotype (at least in those photos) look like a proto-Lapponoid or Uralic type.

Nordenstreng (1926) wrote that some Lapps must have been brought from Norway to Iceland. I think that is the most likely explanation to her exotic look.
I believe she has Greenlandic ancesty, Glenlivet.

QuietWind
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 04:04 AM
I think Bjork has a Saami influence and it is more evident in some of her pics over others. I debated it in some length with a part Saami fellow one day who disputed it and in the end he agreed that in some of her photos it appears that she does appear to have an influence. (Either that or he got tired of me proving my pint and he just wanted the subject changed. I can be quite stubborn at times. ;))

Anyhow, I do not think that Bjork is at all the same type as Tori Amos. Totally different.

Frid
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 11:05 AM
There are no eskimos on Iceland. This she has clearly pointed out in an interview: "People are always asking me about eskimos, but there are no eskimos in Iceland. It is just an idea which people have formed."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2002/02/10/bmbjork11.xml

Her father's name is Gudmundur Gunnarsson and her mothers name is Hildur Hauksdóttir if anyone wants to try to find photos of them. I've only managed to find a photo of her mother. I have also found a photo of a Gudmundur Gunnarsson but I am not sure if it is really her father or just someone who happens to share his name.

http://www.severskelisty.cz/prirodai/hildur.jpg

http://umsjon.horn.is/pistlahofundar/Gudmundur-Gunnarsson.jpg