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Saoirse
Tuesday, July 8th, 2003, 02:23 PM
Internet -- That time of month has come, Hal Turner has gone back into the hospital, and his listeneres are becoming suspicious that his real health problem is in his pocketbook.
On and off since the beginning of the year, when it was first brought to LSN's attention, and possibly before, Hal Turner has shut down his show, claiming the flu, a heart attack, hospitalization, or other health disaster, just about a week into the start of a new month. Several months ago, Hal Turner listeners started writing in saying that he was shutting his show down not because of health issues, but because of failure to pay the bill, and with the announcement that his radio network would be down again, more and more, nationalists are growing suspicious.

Turner's radio network is one of two major streaming audio providers to the white nationalist community. Turner hosts groups like the National Alliance, while his competitor, WhitePlanet, hosts the White Aryan Resistance, the National Socialist Movement, and Resistance Records.

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This bastard is only a scam.

Evolved
Thursday, July 10th, 2003, 07:19 AM
It probably costs a few thousand dollars if not more to broadcast each episode. I don't understand how not being able to pay his bills or possibly being sick makes him a "faggot" and a "scam." Even if he's using illness as an excuse, so what? Maybe he's spending his away time trying to get more money together to put the show back on. :worried

Loki
Thursday, July 10th, 2003, 07:49 AM
I agree with what ladygoeth said.

Irish Ben, there is a time and place for everything. Posts like these are more regular at places like Stormfront. It looks out of place here, and therefore I am locking this for discussion.

Sigrun Christianson
Thursday, July 10th, 2003, 02:20 PM
Excuse me, but aside from his generous use of bad English, I'm glad that he posted this.

I agree that Hal Turner's 'health problems' are very suspicious and I stopped listening to him after the first financial heart-attack incident. He reminds me of one of those TV Holy Rollers asking that the audience send him money or Gawd will strike him down. His constant begging for money is lecherous.

Lying about being sick to get money doesn't make him a fag, obviously, but it does make him a scammer if he's telling his audience that he is deathly ill to garner sympathy and get more money. He's holding his show for ransom. Ja, I trust this guy.

NOT.

Loki
Thursday, July 10th, 2003, 06:16 PM
Originally posted by Sigrun Christianson
Excuse me

You are excused.

Sigrun Christianson
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 05:57 AM
You are not.

Loki
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by Sigrun Christianson
You are not.

LOL. ;)

Okay, because of popular demand, this thread is now active for discussion again. Ms Christianson made some comments about the topic, and I'm sure someone would like to respond.

Regards,

Loki

Sigrun Christianson
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 07:19 AM
There is no excuse for you, Loki. ;P

And it's Mrs. Christianson, thank you. :P

Sigrun Christianson
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 07:28 AM
IrishBen does need to watch his potty mouth...

Loki
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by Sigrun Christianson
There is no excuse for you, Loki. ;P

:scared


And it's Mrs. Christianson, thank you. :P

Here in England, we normally use the politically correct version. It is "stereotypical" to assume that every woman will be married. LOL. ;)

Nordhammer
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 08:59 AM
There's a lot of speculation and gossip going around about Hal Turner, however NONE of it has ever been substantiated. So again, I know many people don't like when rumors are spread about them, so they should kindly refrain from the same behavior.

I think Hal provides a good service, a LOT of people like his show/network, I'm one of them.

My simple rationale: you like his show, you pay for it. Just like you would a movie or TV.

The only thing I fault Hal on, is I think he spends beyond his means. I really think having debts into the thousands of dollars every month can be avoided.

Demigorgona
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 09:56 AM
I have met Hal Turner in person and he was not only extremely intelligent but he was extremely nice...and not in a fake kind of way.

I do not think he is faking his health problems or in it for the money.

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:24 AM
I think Turner is creepy and I don't trust him. Nordhammer & Demi don't, but we aren't calling each other names. See how nice we can be, Loki, even when we disagree? :D

BTW, Nordhammer, you're the last person who should get on the 'don't spread rumors' soap box. Practice before you preach.

Demigorgona
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:26 AM
I'm not calling you names because I am too busy plotting your overthrow ;D

hehe why do you think he is creepy?

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:38 AM
Hehe.. good luck, Demi. :evilking


The way he begs & pleads for money irritates me. If he can't afford to do this without feigning illness and holding his show for ransom, then maybe he shouldn't. Skadi costs quite a bit of $$ to maintain, as do other sites & shows, but we don't whine for money like some lecherous TV Evangelist who exits the stage between $5.00 prayers to molest his secretary.

Now, is that were my only problem with him, I could have stomached it, but having heard a recording of how he spoke to wife, supposedly off the air, made me ill. I can't guarantee 100% that it was indeed him on the recording, but it sounded just like him in tone and grammar and I trust the source of the recording.

Anyway, those are my reasons. Opinions are like :butt 's and this is mine.

Demigorgona
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:41 AM
You'll see I shall succeed :D

eh well I don't like how he begs for money, hell I don't even listen to Hals show anymore...too much porn on the ads...not very tasteful.

Well in any case...Hal has gone a long way from the conservative he once was. His asking for donations is no worse then Stormfront doing so.

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:53 AM
I don't like the way SF does it either. The only time I have ever requested money from comrades was when Christine was arrested. If people want to donate, that's great. I wish more would support the mediums we all use.

I care a lot about the work of Revisionist historians so I send my donation every month without having to be pestered. If this particular person/publisher to whom I donate would start to use tactics like Turner, threats & guilt, my checkbook would close to him, too. I am also positive that my pet WN charity uses the money for research & publishing. He doesn't live & spend beyond his means.

I'm don't mean to convey that I think it's horrible to solicit donations for a good project, but Turner goes overboard. It's undignified and it makes me not trust him.

-Sig

Loki
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Sigrun Christianson
See how nice we can be, Loki, even when we disagree? :D


;P

Nordhammer
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 05:44 PM
I think you have that backwards, Sigrun. You're spreading gossip about Hal here, not me, and you're also into demonizing Von Braun. While he might not be a very likeable fellow, I think people have shown their truly malicious personality on here. Who's next on your blacklist?

If you don't like Hal, don't support him, simple as that.

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 06:44 PM
I didn't 'spread' a damn thing. I stated my opinion of Hal Turner. I'm allowed to have those, remember? I don't have to like everyone you like, do I? But if it should pass that I don't, I should just keep those opinions to myself, huh? That's not going to happen. Why have a freakin' webboard if one can't express her unpopular opinions?

I don't like Hal or a lot of other people and I don't have a problem expressing my dislike and stating why. No one is above criticism. You certainly have no problem insulting anyone and everyone who disagrees with you so don't act all self-righteous. The things you have spread about people on the net are way, way worse than anything I have ever said. You'll have much more success trying your sanctimonious bullshyte routine on someone who doesn't know how you really are.

And don't you dare try to blame me for the Von Braun fiasco. I didn't start the thread; I'm not the one who spilled his private thoughts in public; I'm not the one who banned him; I'm the one who clarified the situation and then closed the damn thread so that it could die and everyone would just shut up about, lest you forgot.

If I indeed had a blacklist, you'd be Numero Uno for sure, but I don't have time for petty, revengeful crap. Get over it already.

-Sig

Nordhammer
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 11:01 PM
:D I'm numero uno on your list huh? Well at least I'm number one with you on something.

I have no idea what you're talking about with me "spreading tons of gossip" about people. Where have I spread this horrible gossip? Surely not in this forum. I'd like to have some evidence of this. Again, you're making a huge claim, just like you are against Hal, with absolutely no proof.

I'm not criticizing your choice of not liking me, Hal, or whoever else... the criticism is you defaming his character and saying he's scamming everyone and faking his illnesses - again, with no proof. I thought you were someone who enjoyed the truth and evidence, without being prejudiced. Sure you can have suspicions, and not like someone for whatever silly reason, but the aforementioned is really in poor taste I think, especially considering he is on our side.

I won't reiterate one instance of what you told me about Von Braun, but okay, maybe you weren't going along with the whole thing. Still, it is directed at others, I think it's a shame people can be so mean. He is a human being afterall.

As far as what I say to people on here, including you, it's merely in retaliation for what I must endure from them. I'm not the one who initiates it.

Come on Siggy, let's get the mirror out shall we... I'm not the big bad Queen Moderator, you are... I'm not the one who gets to grandstand and end threads and tell people "bans are coming if they don't straighten up." lol

Just like in this thread, I didn't even mention you, yet you begin to personally attack me. You're fooling yourself, not me. There are lots of people who like to gossip about Hal, why do you think I was talking about you? Everything isn't about you, you know. ;)

I don't know what you'd have to be vengeful about with me anyway, if anything, it is I who has something to be vengeful about.

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 01:56 AM
Number one with me on something?? I knew that that's what this is all about. You never change.

My opinion of Hal is just that, an opinion. It's no different than if I express an opinion about how sleazy I think Morris Dees is. It's an opinion based on my admittedly limited knowledge of the person and my experiences and perceptions with people exhibiting similar behavior. I also clearly stated my reasons for distrusting him. I never claimed to have any proof of anything; I simply expressed my opinion and how I formed that opinion.

And please, I don't go around threatening anyone with bans unless it is absolutely necessary so donít try to make it sound like I do. People can duke it out and argue all they want as long as it remains within the guidelines. I don't Lord anything over anyone - no one gets a ban simply because I don't like them. If that were the case, you'd have been banned a long time ago. Anyone is free to post as they wish within the guidelines. Our guidelines (Yes, OURS, not YOURS) are pretty damn easy to follow.

I know you wanted to be made a Moderator and I'm sorry you werenít and that you feel left out, but don't take it out on me - it's not my decision. I'm practically just a member and I possess little more power than you or any other member.

Your sympathy for Von Braun is ultra transparent. You only feign to sympathize because you have axes to grind with others about how you badly you think you've been treated. And, interestingly enough, you're still hung up on things that happened years ago... perceived slights & authentic insecurities, just like Von Braun. I'd really rather just let all of this silliness go and not have to look at it anymore, but you don't want to let go. I really wish you would move on, Markie.

Nordhammer
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 03:59 AM
The numero uno thing was a joke. I'm over my past infatuation, and I see what a mistake it was. Live and learn.

Apples and oranges though... Turner is not an anti-racist sleazeball who sues prowhite people and organizatons for a living. I don't like some things about Hal, but they're minor. Whatever quirks he may have, are they really that different from the average white person?

I didn't want to be a moderator, you misunderstood that conversation. It was only a matter of why certain people are moderators over others. Actually I don't think I would want to be even if it was offered to me then, or if it is now.

You're assuming again, I thought you took a big issue with anyone assuming anything? :) My defenses for VB are not superficial. We don't communicate anymore so you can't know my real reasons for it, and no they aren't because I just want to get back at you or others on here. I generally feel sympathy for someone who is cruelly attacked by the pack.

What am I hung up on that happened years ago? I can't think of anything. Sounds like more petty defamation to me.

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 05:55 AM
I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I made myself crystal clear.

Nordhammer
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 08:09 AM
There's nothing to argue about since we know you're always right. ;)

Evolved
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
I generally feel sympathy for someone who is cruelly attacked by the pack.

I agree. I find Von Braun to be a nice guy with problems, he really didn't do anything to deserve all the cruel jokes and poems about him being psychotic and suicidal. That was in really poor taste.

If you were ever made fun of in school by groups of kids you would understand how it makes you feel. You start to feel like shit about yourself, and there's nothing you can do to make them stop. That doesn't change just because you're older and supposedly more mature. People still want to be accepted and treated decently.

Anti-racist people who come here just get banned without much comment. It's a little sad that they are afforded more dignity than Von Braun. I'm not saying he should not have been banned, if he's talking seriously about sexual assault I can understand banning him! I'm just saying people making a joke out of his very serious personal problems is not appropriate either.