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Loki
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 10:19 AM
Utgard-Loki wrote:


By the way do you know were the Dinaric Type comes from ?I will give a few quotes and pictures from Coon's Races of Europe in an attempt to clarify.

Plate 35

THE PRINCIPLE OF DINARICIZATION

From France to Macedonia, and from Istanbul to Samarkand, are found populations in which the majority of persons present a characteristic morphology of the head and face: with a brachycephalic skull, often flattish in the occipital region, the foramen magnum and auricular passages set disproportionaly far to the rear, the forehead often sloping, the face frequently elongated, and the nose salient and frequently convex. People who possess these characteristics have been lumped together into one or more races; the Dinaric in Europe, the Armenoid in Asia, and the Noric to include the blond varieties. It is biologically unsound, however, to postulate any historic unity for individuals of these so-called races, since they are products not of an historical association but of a biological principle. That principle is as follows: A mixture of a Mediterranean stock with a 33 per cent, more or less, solution of Alpine may bring about a differential inheritance in the majority of the offspring; from the Alpine side is inherited brachycephaly, often greater than that of the Alpine ancestral factor; the dimensions of the pre-auricular part of the head are derived from the long-headed strain, hence the posterior position of the ear; the breadths of the median sagittal sector of the face are inherited from the narrower-faced ancestor, often in exaggerated degree, and this applies especially to the width of the upper segment of the nose and to the interorbital distance; meanwhile the face becomes longer than in either parent stock, and the nose, in response to the shortening of the antero-posterior length of the entire head, becomes salient. This process occurs in varying degrees with individuals and with local racial entities of different origin. If the solution is saturated either with Alpines or with Mediterraneans, phenotypically pure members of whichever stock is predominant appear in considerable numbers. If the solution is correct, apparently pure individuals still occur, but with relative infrequence. this principle, studied in this work in reference to whites, applies to hybrids of other races as well.

It may readily be seen that the Dinarics, Norics and Armenoids have no ethnic or historic unity, but are for the most part paralell results of the same process repeated with similar materials in different places. they are related only insofar as the parent stocks are related. There is one important exception to this rule, however; during the Bronze Age Dinaricized Mediterraneans spread with the knowledge of metal from an eastern Mediterranean source to the western Mediterranean Countries, to central Europe, and to the British Isles. In this instance Dinarics of a Near Eastern variety did actually invade Europe, and their descendants may be distinguished today in countries lioke England where, owing to the absence of an Alpine substratum, the process of Dinaricization has not been locally at play.

In this and the following plates, an attempt will be made to illustrate degrees and types of Dinaricization throughtout the white racial area of the old world.

Coon, Carleton (1943). The Races of Europe.

Loki
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 10:25 AM
FIG. 2 (3 views). A Noric from Berlin; the shallow nasion depression, and the great height and salience of the nose are especially noticeable here. Norics are extremely common in eastern Germany.

Loki
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 10:27 AM
FIG. 3 (3 views). A Noric Pole from Galicia. This type is characteristic of many of the southern and western Poles.

Loki
Sunday, July 6th, 2003, 10:29 AM
FIG. 4 (3 views). A Komi or Zyrian, member of the northernmost of the East Russian Finnish tribes. This individual illustrates the essential Nordic character of the Finns, brachycephalized by some unknown agency.

Väring
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 05:45 PM
FIG 2 (3 views). A Noric from Berlin; the shallow nasion depression, and the great height and salience of the nose are especially noticable here. Norics are extremely common in eastern Germany.

Age ................33
Stature .........172 cm
Weight .........149 lbs
Head L ........187 mm
Head Br. ..... 154
Min.Fr. ........ 111
Bizyg. ..........138
Bigon. ..........104
T.F.Ht. ..........125
U.F.Ht. ............74
N.Ht. ...............64
N.Br. ...............33
Biorb. ..............96
Interorb. ..........32
C.I. ................. 82.4
F.I. ..................90.6
U.F.I. ...............53.6
N.I. ..................51.6
Hair ........#7 Med.-Br.
Eyes ............Blue-Br.


FIG. 3 (3 views). A Noric Pole from Galicia. This type is characteristic of many of the southern and western Poles.

Age 44
Stature 180 cm.
Weight 168 Ibs.
Head L. 182 mm.
Head Br. 154
Min. Fr. 110
Bizyg. 137
Bigon. 110
T. F. Ht. 123
U. F. Ht. 74
N. Ht. 53
N. Br. 34
Biorb. 91
Interorb. 32
C. I. 84.6
F. I. 89.8
U. F. I. 54
N. I. 64.2

Hair #8 Brown
Eyes Blue

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:25 PM
Is "DINARICIZATION" not also found in Nordics?

Bell Beaker component of the Göta type.

Triglav
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Is "DINARICIZATION" not also found in Nordics?

Bell Beaker component of the Göta type.
What about it? Isn't there rather an Atlantid component in the Göta type?

Nordhammer
Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, 04:27 AM
Is "DINARICIZATION" not also found in Nordics?

Bell Beaker component of the Göta type.

It's actually also found in non-whites.

Väring
Thursday, August 18th, 2005, 05:17 PM
Is "DINARICIZATION" not also found in Nordics?
Bell Beaker component of the Göta type.Nordid is very different from Taurid, so i want think that it is not so. Coon meant that the Nordic race had absorbed Dinaric Bell Beaker blood but i think he was talking about the Keltic-Nordic sub type. Lundman found no such admixture among the Göta.

SouthernBoy
Thursday, August 18th, 2005, 08:03 PM
It's actually also found in non-whites.
Yes, but, in my experience, it's rather rare among non-caucasoids.

Nordhammer
Friday, August 19th, 2005, 02:56 PM
Yes, but, in my experience, it's rather rare among non-caucasoids.

And the point? Are you suggesting there is some kind of progressive association with Dinaricization?

Nordhammer
Friday, August 19th, 2005, 03:03 PM
Coon:

Dinaricism is not a quality pertaining to a single race, it is a condition. This condition is common in Europe; it is also common in western Asia. Furthermore, it is not confined to the white racial stock; the principle of hybrid inheritance which produces Dinarics in Europe has also produced Papuans in New Guinea, the Arii aristocrats in Polynesia, and many American Indians.

There is one dominant set of characters which pervades the Dinaric group; high brachycephaly, nasal convexity, occipital flattening, and a tendency toward the attenuation of extremities.

SouthernBoy
Friday, August 19th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Are you suggesting there is some kind of progressive association with Dinaricization?
No, but there is a strong association, atleast if one is speaking about neomorhpism.

Agrippa
Friday, August 19th, 2005, 04:15 PM
If Coon was right is hard to determine, but I think that a brachycephalised Cromagnid (best example is Borreby) type with leptomorphic (Nordid or Mediterranid) influence might produce a mixed population out of which BY SELECTION and for sure not pure mixture, a Dinariomorphic type can come up.