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Von Braun
Thursday, July 3rd, 2003, 01:24 AM
Analyzing the "Sex and the City" Woman

by John Allington

Myth: High achieving, college educated women have a difficult time finding husbands because of shortages of compatible males. This view was given a big boost recently by Barbara Dafoe Whitehead’s book, Why There Are No Good Men Left.

Reality: The book and its premises are confused nonsense. These women may be having a hard time finding a mate, but then children often have a tough time deciding what toy they want in Toys ‘R’ Us. This doesn't imply shortages of either toys or Good Men—but does perhaps provide a glimpse into the psychology behind the female notion of scarcity.

I dislike anecdotes because they tend to be unreliable, but this one is a bit different. Unlike Whitehead, who merely interviewed some whiny thirty-something women, I actually did some research on this topic. Having recently become single, I decided to try my luck on one of those online dating sites—in fact the biggest one. There were lots of pictures of attractive, college educated women on this popular site. Since I happen to be in the middle of the corresponding demographic group that supposedly contains ‘shortages’ of eligible males for ‘high-achieving’ females, it sounded like a good way for a busy guy who works in a male-dominated field to meet a compatible woman.

Think again! What I found was a collection of shallow, rude, spoiled females who claimed to want contradictory things. Because of my poor initial success and instead of blaming others, I assumed that the problem was with my approach. Perhaps my profile was poor or my messages were written badly.

So I decided to conduct a little experiment to determine if my approach was the problem and if so, how I could improve it. I constructed 4 or 5 bogus female profiles which I then posted on the site. I used slightly modified face shots of some lingerie models and a couple of pictures of more average women from a Russian mail order bride internet site. I riddled these bogus profiles with all the standard narrative clichés taken from real profiles in other cities, in an attempt to make them culturally and demographically similar. I also constructed some bogus male profiles to see if women ever initiate contact. I made these male profiles to be more enticing than my original profile. I was careful to make all of these profiles sound plausible and not “too good to be true.” The bogus profiles were all in their late twenties or early thirties, had bachelors or masters degrees and worked at professional-type jobs.

My experiment provided the following information and conclusions:

· The bogus female profile that received the most responses from men was one of the Russian women, not one of the lingerie models. This surprised me! The Russian woman had long, light brown hair, green eyes and was in no way glamorous—just presentable. I conclude that men aren’t looking for glamour so much as they are looking for an attractive version of the girl next door.

· Twice as many men as women in the 25-35 year old college-educated demographic group were posted on the site. Those lopsided numbers tend to dispel Whitehead’s basic thesis. In addition, there were apparently lots of additional men who subscribed to the site but who concealed their profiles. Maybe those men were married or maybe they thought that they would have better luck in contacting women if the women hadn’t read their profile in advance—i.e. they would be perceived as more “mysterious.”

· I was surprised to learn that a significant percentage of women who posted profiles didn’t even subscribe to the site. These sites typically allow individuals to post profiles for free but pay to be able to send or reply to messages. Therefore, these women probably figured that if their perfect ‘soulmate’ wrote to them, then they would pay the $25 in order to reply to him. In the mean time, they would just waste a lot of the male subscribers’ time.

· In a metropolitan area of several million people, an attractive woman in the 25-35 year old age group with a college education and no children will receive between 100 - 200 messages in the two weeks after she posts her ad. About half of those messages will not be from demographically compatible men. For example, some will come from different cities from guys searching the whole country. However, between one-quarter to one-half of the messages will be decent, thoughtful replies by successful, local, demographically compatible men. Doctors, computer engineers, an airline pilot, business owners, college professors and other professionals responded to my cliché-filled, bogus ads.

· In my demographic group, the ‘high-achieving’ women simply didn’t initiate contact. This supports my belief that women are reactive rather than proactive. The other possibility is that they read this book because they’re not inclined to think for themselves. This rule book for chicks was—get ready—written by a Jewish woman. Jewish radical feminism alienated women from men and now other Jews step in to profit from it by writing ‘rule’ books, making meeting even tougher.

· There are a surprising number of lonely, successful men—and by extension, I suppose—lonely women out there. This is clearly not related to a lack of effort on the part of men—who are wasting tons of time trying to get the attention of these women.

· Everybody seems very busy with their jobs, working out, socializing with their friends, etc. The successful men appear to be cynical and frustrated; the successful women appear to be jaded and suspicious.

· Because of the anonymous nature of the online dating site, the women felt free to exhibit high levels of incivility. There exists a messaging function that allows men and women to “instant message” each other in real time. Probably three quarters of the women whom I attempted to “instant message” rejected the conversation when I tried to initiate it. Of the one quarter who did accept the conversation, all but one—after reading my profile while chatting—exited the conversation. Their exit was not preceded by a “gotta go,” or “sorry not interested.” They would just close their message box in the middle of the conversation with no explanation.

· Whitehead asserted that young, single women are too busy making their mark on society, to find a mate. Well, isn’t it funny how men who built space ships, designed computers and conquered the Western Hemisphere somehow made the time to find mates and have children? These women, busy making their “mark on society,” certainly seem to have enough free time to clog up the shopping malls. Anyhow, I uncovered no indication that any of these internet dating site women were on the verge of discovering a cure for cancer or anything of similar importance. Most were just slightly above average IQ types with typical, 40-hour-per-week cubicle jobs. Many were teachers and obviously have a lot of free time during summers.

· After an absence of many months, I revisited my former dating-turned-research project. About 10 – 20 percent of the women who were on the site 5 – 6 months ago still had their profiles posted and active! Imagine a semi-attractive female having hundreds of demographically compatible guys writing to her over the span of 5 – 6 months and not one of them will satisfy her requirements! Yeah, there are no good men left… What precisely, would a man be called, if he had hundreds of attractive, quality women pursuing him and he found none of them to be acceptable? He’d be called a fool. Yet we are supposed to feel sorry for women in the identical situation. Social historians document their alleged plight in fuzzy narratives.

· Whitehead’s contention that for men, timing of marriage is rather incidental, is largely untrue. While it’s true that men can marry women 20 years younger, such marriages are rare. I’ve only seen this common in one place before—at an expensive overseas resort frequented by rich men and their ‘trophy’ wives. Most men and women need to be within a reasonably narrow age band in order for them to relate to each other. In theory, a 39 year old bachelor can court a 21 year old woman, but unless he’s got a great deal going for him, the 21 year old woman just isn’t going to be interested in him and he is going to have a tough time relating to someone almost a generation younger. The ads I studied indicated most women were looking for men (at most) five years older. A few would consider a ten year age difference. The latter group of women appeared to be looking more for financial security. In any event and despite the propaganda to the contrary, there are more high-achieving males than females in nearly every age group. So Whitehead’s claims don’t pass a second grade math test. She assumes that unlike the so-called ‘high achieving’ women, ‘high achieving’ men aren’t choosy and will look to marry the first female who comes along. She fails to acknowledge that there is a difference between the woman a man will **** and the one he’ll marry. That so many newspapers and magazines took her book seriously shows just how retarded and isolated from reality our New York print media with its Jewish cultural milieu has become. Those people have little understanding of how things actually work in ‘flyover’ country.

In retrospect, none of this should have come as a surprise to me. Sometimes you have to waste a lot of time to discover the obvious. Unlike a man, a young attractive woman is hit on all the time. She can’t go to the grocery store, park, shopping mall or even to work without guys periodically hitting on her. The only variables are the when and where, not if. So why would she have to put an ad online unless she is maladjusted, jaded or a bitch?

Our society creates high expectations among all of its members. But among no group are expectations as high as among young, educated women. They expect that at some point a man will support or subsidize their lifestyle, so they are free to spend virtually their entire incomes on themselves in the present. They travel and expect to be entertained. They want a career. They want a baby (but often at some point in the distant future). And they want to be the center of some man’s attention. But what are they willing to give? What is expected of them? What is their responsibility? How will they contribute? These questions are considered inappropriate. The longer these women are single, the more accustomed they become to having no responsibility outside of their ‘career’ and caring for their ubiquitous cat. They live exactly how and where they want with no non-economic compromises. A series of men at six month to one year intervals fund their weekly entertainment and occasionally pay for their travel to tropical destinations.

Does this sound like the training ground for a submissive—or even compromising—wife? The feminists talk about what these women ‘have to offer.’ The fact is, their most important attribute—their fertility—wanes after age 27. That they’ve been to Italy twice, know a little French and have 45 pairs of shoes doesn’t change that fact. This fertility is their primary link to the future. Other than that, these women offer upper middle class snobbery, expectations for expensive travel and female luxuries, and habits evolved outside of the need for compromise. A woman who displays a willingness to postpone or forgo her biological imperative (children) and postpone establishing a lasting, monogamous relationship with a man for a middle class wage and her employer’s benefit is someone who clearly lacks an appreciation for life’s “big picture.” Indeed, she has been programmed by society to subordinate her own evolutionary interests to support the short-term production and consumption imperatives of corporate America. Her altruistic tendencies have been redirected towards ends not in her own long term best interest.

So what’s the point of this essay? Just more gratuitous bitchin’ about women, right? No. I’m assuming that many of my readers are males in their early twenties: You readers need to understand that your opportunities to find a mate will not improve as you age. You will be choosing from a shrinking pool of available women. As you age, you may have a lot more money which you reason will compensate for your age, but you will also be a lot busier. Your job will put additional expectations on you for longer hours, more duties and maybe business travel. You may become a manager, which will require yet more time. As your obligations and responsibilities increase, your energy level will decline. So, say you spend your twenties screwing off, having a good time, relishing your independence. You buy an SUV or a sports car. You acquire some expensive hobbies. You focus on your ‘career.’ You buy a house and fix it up. You put in a hot tub—or whatever. And now, in your late twenties or early thirties, you want to settle down. And what awaits you? The type of women described above: a high-maintenance, unpleasant, jaded, desperate, neurotic pain in the ass. She will be your reward for your hard work. She’ll want a 30K wedding and to boss you around like you’re an incompetent accessory. She’ll be a leftover, past her prime, the one the other guys said ‘no thanks’ to. Enjoy!

The happiest couples I know are young. They got married in or just after college. They now have two or three children. The women are intelligent, educated, well-adjusted house wives. They take care of the home front while their husbands, whom I work with, can more closely focus on their demanding jobs (notice I didn’t say ‘careers’). These couples’ lives are orderly and prosperous. There is an effective division of labor that reduces stress on all involved and provides a home environment in which children will flourish. They eat real food, not drive-through fare. Their children will never see the inside of a day care center. Many will also never see the inside of a public school classroom. The sophisticated, materialistic, urban Jews and their media tell you this family type is a relic. They mock it. Well, these Jews and their media are lying to you. It takes 60-70K per year in a moderately priced city to be very comfortable. It can be done. It’s down the street from me. But you have to find the right woman to make it work. And I’m telling you that type of woman marries way before she reaches the age of 30. So if you’re still in college, you will probably never find a better environment in which to meet a potential wife. And I don’t think I need to tell you that this type of women isn’t hanging out with the lesbians at the campus ‘Woman’s Center’ or majoring in English Literature, decoding phallocentic passages in Shakespeare. Nor does she yearn to be like the insufferable, mediocre bore, Carrie, in Sex and the City.

So turn off the damn computer and go find a nice, normal, well-adjusted woman in her early twenties who wants to do something truly radical. You know, marry and have children. Don’t be afraid of it! It is what life is all about. The suckers are the ones who never have children. When they die, nothing will remain in this world of them, no matter how important their ‘career.’

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Von Braun
Thursday, July 3rd, 2003, 01:37 AM
Women: what can young single white men do to circumvent the hoardes of confused young single white women who contradict themselves (say they want handsome professional men but then after 2-3 dates, ignore all future phone calls with no explanation), are liberal/pc, feminist, arrogant, etc.? Believe me, it is a tough road to follow to be a white man who is aware of the big picture (which extends beyond even race) and who wants what the simple things (a nice white family) that the many white generations of the past had and took for granted, even if he is in college.

There are certainly barriers that have been put in place by the powers-that-be. Women have been made to distrust men. Every handsome man is a potential stalker or Ted Bundy (talk about self-flattery). :rolleyes: Many white women seem to think of babies as nuisances, or perhaps cute but less important than their careers. Chivalry (down to the level of holding the door open) is seen as oppressive. :rolleyes: I hold doors for people of both sexes, and young white women have been the most rude to me (and my friends when they did it) when I have done this.

I realize that fully racialist women are hard to find, but where can I and other young single white men go to find women who are at least traditional and in touch with their insticnts: they appreciate love and chivalry from their mate, they want babies sooner rather than later, they respect what works, deep down they frown on many of the things that we as racialists frown on, etc.? Many of the women who post at Stormfront Talk have problems of their own. Some of them have male complexes and want nothing more than sex when they're young, making them different than sorority white lemming ***** only in that they are at least racialists.

Von Braun
Thursday, July 3rd, 2003, 01:42 AM
I realize that fully racialist women are hard to find, but where can I and other young single white men go to find women who are at least traditional and in touch with their insticnts: they appreciate love and chivalry from their mate, they want babies sooner rather than later, they respect what works, deep down they frown on many of the things that we as racialists frown on, etc.?

By the way, I was referring to white women who meet those requirements but are not judeo-christian (as it seems many of this type are in fact judeo-christian). :[]!!

Thursday, July 3rd, 2003, 10:17 PM
i read most of the article and your comments on it and again i have to say that it seems to be a bit melodramatic.
finding nice WN/NS/Intelligent men isn't as easy as its being made out to be - maybe thats because im in such a small area i dont know but i think the overall presentation of women as PC/Feminist is unfair, using the same stereotype i can identify all men as wannabe negroes, and believe me there are a LOT of them over here.
as for asking why women may not want to see a supposedly handsome intelligent man after 2 or 3 ''dates''' is fairly obvious - regardless of how handsome or intelligent the man may be if there is no ''spark'' between them it is ridiculous to expect her to go on seeing him and making life into a facade for them both - perhaps she is choosing not to see him again so both of them can get on with life and find ideal partners rather than settling for each other....
im not in the mood to completely respond accurately to all of this to be honest so im really just musing here but it seems the idea of men wanting the ''girl next door'' rather than the ''model'' is a bit untrue, in my experience at least. as for chivalry, yeah it does seem to be dead in many respects which is a pity but for me atleast, men still hold open doors and treat far more politely than they do other men and i like that :) im not and never have been looking for equality - being respected by a man doesnt have to equate with being seen to be like him in any or every respect, regardless feminism thesedays is about superiority not equality.but yes it is a pity that most women dont seem to want babies so much anymore, i cant say that describes me though i definetly want some but at a later stage in life.....maybe late 20's early 30's i cant say its something ive thought seriously about and the same could be said for many other females...

Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 09:00 AM
I realize that fully racialist women are hard to find, but where can I and other young single white men go to find women who are at least traditional and in touch with their insticnts: they appreciate love and chivalry from their mate, they want babies sooner rather than later, they respect what works, deep down they frown on many of the things that we as racialists frown on, etc.?
If you're really not happy with American women, might I suggest you broaden the scope of your search to include Europe -- specifically Eastern Europe. I'd be lying to you if I told you that intercontinental, cross-cultural relationships are not problematic, but there are definite advantages. The lack of exposure to other races has preserved in Eastern European women a natural predisposition towards racialism.

The best advise I can give you is know yourself first, then ask yourself what you want in a mate. As the saying goes: "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

There are a lot of truly deserving women out there, just as there are plenty of harpies and gold-diggers. If you keep your wits about you and remain persistant and true, you will persevere.

Good luck.

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 12:34 PM
The best advise I can give you is know yourself first, then ask yourself what you want in a mate. As the saying goes: "be careful what you wish for, you just might get it".

There are a lot of truly deserving women out there, just as there are plenty of harpies and gold-diggers. If you keep your wits about you and remain persistant and true, you will persevere.

Good luck.agreed.

If you are a dominat person, you'll need a non graduate person (or non professionals).
There are a lot of in small towns.

Guys: Are you getting obsolete (useless)??:P

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 05:35 PM
Apparently, we are becoming useless.
Women got this idea in their head that they can do whatever the hell they want with their life(which is true, anyone has that freedom..) but the whole concept of marriage has changed drastically in this century. Before, the men needed the women for many things such as raising the children,cooking,washing the clothes,pleasure,etc. Now sex is easier to get and more acesible and you can just hire people to cook/wash/take care of the kids/etc. It's the same picture for the women, now they can go to college and learn and get a house of their own and most of them don't want a husband or a kid because it's too much trouble.
I think this is one of the things that makes the west decline the most, the desire of material goods over the concept of family. People prefer to work and buy more things instead of being married with a kid and having to pay more for that.

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 07:28 PM
I think this is one of the things that makes the west decline the most, the desire of material goods over the concept of family. People prefer to work and buy more things instead of being married with a kid and having to pay more for that.
I absolutely agree with this. However I don't believe all American woman are this way. Some of us still value family and understand that 'what works' is a mother who is IN the home and doesn't feed her children Mcdonalds every night and send them off to day care every morning. I'm not married yet nor do I have children- most of my peers seem to be single moms. Their children suffer most from their actions of stupidity. I'm still rather young but I'm educated and work not just to support my entertainment habits. I keep a certain amount for my future.. for my families future when it gets to that point. Though I can't say America has an abundance of females who might consider doing that unfortunately. :(

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 07:32 PM
Spend your money - for there is no future.

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 10:28 PM
Spend your money - for there is no future.
Why do you say this?

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Why do you say this?

Probably because he is a realist.

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 10:49 PM
I'll live in my own little happy land of 'Yes there is a future".. :) Though I'm not sure it's the greatest.

Monday, October 4th, 2004, 11:14 PM
Technically "no future" is a kind of future, too. What I meant is that the future will not be some kind of Eleusis but fall under the reign of Mars.

Tuesday, October 5th, 2004, 02:20 AM
Probably because he is a realist.

There is a fine line between realism and cynicism.

Tuesday, October 5th, 2004, 02:31 AM
I'm not *totally* pessimistic, or else I would have no reason to do anything in life. Our situation is certainly difficult, but not irremediable.

Phlegethon is not completely realistic, either, as his overinflated opinion of sp*cs demonstrates. ;)

Tuesday, October 5th, 2004, 12:11 PM
Being a realist automatically will make you a cynic. It's a natural law. Optimists just don't know the facts. Once you do you'll never be happy again.

Tuesday, October 5th, 2004, 09:09 PM
drastic cynic: "I'm worst than yesterday, and better than tomorrow".