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Northland
Saturday, June 28th, 2003, 07:03 AM
Originally posted by ladygoeth33
Lebed is 1/2 Siberian, 1/2 Ukrainian and Bodrov is 3/4 Russian, 1/4 East Siberian. Yeah, they both look partially mongoloid, but they are phenotypically Uralic and hence, "white."

Don't make me puke with your posting of mongrel men. I just joined but as far as I know this is a forum for whites only.

:dot

Nordhammer
Saturday, June 28th, 2003, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Nordland
Don't make me puke with your posting of mongrel men. I just joined but as far as I know this is a forum for whites only.

:dot

Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.

Loki
Saturday, June 28th, 2003, 04:31 PM
LOL @ Nordhammer. :D


Originally posted by Nordhammer
Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.

Thorburn
Saturday, June 28th, 2003, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem. Correct.

This is a European discussion forum and not Lebensborn. As long as people have something positive to contribute to European anthropology, art, culture, history, philosophy, or politics, and support the self-determination of Europeans, and the preservation of our kind, civilization and way of life, they are welcome.

In fact, I am, amongst others, actually interested in the perspectives of Indics or Orientalids, and would rather have them as our friends than as our enemies.

Due to the anonymity of the Internet, there is no way to screen users racially anyway, even if one so desired: everyone can pretend to be a 6'6" blonde, blue-eyed Nordish giant. Then I rather choose the way that does not encourage lies, deception and hypocrisy.

Quiet a few users here would actually be surprised, if they knew of their real racial makeup; and the question what is "white" and how much admixture of which non-"white" (sub-)races is permitted in order still to be considered "white" is undecided, too — and should be left that way.

I would definitely not approve of otherwise productive and loyal users being banned or not admitted, because they allegedly had Amerindian, Oriental or Uralic ancestors in the early 1800's; or for posting images that illustrate the anthropological periphery of Europe.

If that makes me a "race traitor", send me a t-shirt.

Kind regards,

- Thorburn

Nordhammer
Sunday, June 29th, 2003, 01:13 AM
Originally posted by Thorburn
Correct.

This is a European discussion forum and not Lebensborn. As long as people have something positive to contribute to European anthropology, art, culture, history, philosophy, or politics, and support the self-determination of Europeans, and the preservation of our kind, civilization and way of life, they are welcome.

And this is why I said what I did. The sensibilities of most people are incapable of discrimination, except when it comes to bad behavior and criminality. Hence the high IQ Asian is more valuable to people than the low IQ white, or the athletic Negro is more valuable than the white dork. Race is really very low on the totem poll. Whether online or in real life. What matters is what people can contribute and what people can get from each other.



Originally posted by Thorburn
In fact, I am, amongst others, actually interested in the perspectives of Indics or Orientalids, and would rather have them as our friends than as our enemies.

Tis true, multiculturalism/multiracialism is exciting and wonderful, very stimulating. Having the opinions of Indics, Orientalids, Negroes and everyone else is so much more enlightening than just from Europeans.


Originally posted by Thorburn
Due to the anonymity of the Internet, there is no way to screen users racially anyway, even if one so desired: everyone can pretend to be a 6'6" blonde, blue-eyed Nordish giant. Then I rather choose the way that does not encourage lies, deception and hypocrisy.

Quiet a few users here would actually be surprised, if they knew of their real racial makeup; and the question what is "white" and how much admixture of which non-"white" (sub-)races is permitted in order still to be considered "white" is undecided, too — and should be left that way.

I would definitely not approve of otherwise productive and loyal users being banned or not admitted, because they allegedly had Amerindian, Oriental or Uralic ancestors in the early 1800's; or for posting images that illustrate the anthropological periphery of Europe.

"I have a dream that we will one day live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character."


Originally posted by Thorburn
If that makes me a "race traitor", send me a t-shirt.

Kind regards,

- Thorburn

So nice of you to stick up for the nonwhites, I'm sure they appreciate it.

Thorburn
Sunday, June 29th, 2003, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
And this is why I said what I did. The sensibilities of most people are incapable of discrimination, except when it comes to bad behavior and criminality. Hence the high IQ Asian is more valuable to people than the low IQ white, or the athletic Negro is more valuable than the white dork. Race is really very low on the totem poll. Whether online or in real life. What matters is what people can contribute and what people can get from each other. Discrimination means really just distinction or discernment and can be justified or unjustified, depending on the nature or the purpose of an issue in question. The purpose of this board is to protect the freedom of ideas and to exchange information on European issues, with the more distant goal in mind to educate, to lead people back to their roots, to contribute to a European renaissance in values, mind and spirit. I fail to see how a one-drop-rule-discrimination would be helpful in that regard. Discrimination based on the criteria of being knowledgeable, polite and well-mannered, or goal-oriented is helpful. If someone that is not exclusively Europid would desire to support, let's say, Nordish preservation, why should he be turned away?


Tis true, multiculturalism/multiracialism is exciting and wonderful, very stimulating. Having the opinions of Indics, Orientalids, Negroes and everyone else is so much more enlightening than just from Europeans. That depends really on what they have to contribute. We had and have people here whose ancestry was or is presumably not 100% Europid. All these people I have in mind contributed and contribute umpteen times more to the aims of this board and to the understanding of European elites (and to my personal understanding) than the average 100% Europid 1488 shouter.


"I have a dream that we will one day live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin but by the content of our character."
Martin Luther's ghost writer, whoever he was. Brilliant. But, honestly, I could live by this if necessary. The multi-racial, pluri-ethnic society does not fail because of people like me, but because in most people instincts, feelings and emotions dominate over (or at least distort) reason most of the time. That's simply a fact and is not going to change.

The only way to eliminate unfair discrimination and oppression based on race, ethnicity or religion as far as possible, is by homogenizing the society. That's actually the strongest argument for exclusivity. Whoever, like MLK and today's architects of the NWO, unnecessarily heterogenizes ("multi-culturalizes") society and then tells the people to be nice to each other and to behave reasonably, ignoring that the people's nature and state of development does not allow it, creates havoc, conflict and evil.


So nice of you to stick up for the nonwhites, I'm sure they appreciate it. Everyone appreciates justice.

Kind regards,

- Thorburn

Nordhammer
Monday, June 30th, 2003, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by Thorburn
The purpose of this board is to protect the freedom of ideas and to exchange information on European issues, with the more distant goal in mind to educate, to lead people back to their roots, to contribute to a European renaissance in values, mind and spirit...

...We had and have people here whose ancestry was or is presumably not 100% Europid. All these people I have in mind contributed and contribute umpteen times more to the aims of this board and to the understanding of European elites (and to my personal understanding) than the average 100% Europid 1488 shouter

A multicultural, multiracial model no doubt.

This sounds very much like the Jewish American nationalists who want intelligent nonwhite elites to assimilate with whites, while disparaging the average and lower class whites.


Originally posted by Thorburn
Nordish preservation, why should he be turned away?

Name one who is like that and marries his/her own people? The general motive is they want to assimilate.


Originally posted by Thorburn
The only way to eliminate unfair discrimination and oppression based on race, ethnicity or religion as far as possible, is by homogenizing the society. That's actually the strongest argument for exclusivity.?

Ah, now we see, race is meaningless, it's only a bother because people are not treated as equals. So the only reason to separate is so we can have more justice. If people treated each other equally and intermarried, that would be wonderful.


Originally posted by Thorburn

Everyone appreciates justice.

There's no doubt about that. The millions and millions of 3rd world people are loving European justice and welfare. Let's share our wonderful culture and wealth with them, as well as our women. Ain't life grand. :)

Thorburn
Monday, June 30th, 2003, 05:23 AM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
This sounds very much like the Jewish American nationalists who want intelligent nonwhite elites to assimilate with whites, while disparaging the average and lower class whites.You got me, I am a Jewish American nationalist.

Nobody is excluded on the grounds of class. People get booted for repeated illegal or uncivil statements, regardless of class.


Name one who is like that and marries his/her own people? The general motive is they want to assimilate. This board cannot prevent that a single person comes to Europe, enters the fold of Western culture, assimilates, and marries a Europid woman.

Fact is that they are here, on this board, and not on some egalitarian, integrationist, anti-European board. This can have two reason: either they want to provoke and disturb our discussion, in which case they will be removed, or they feel, regardless of the fact that they might not be 100% Europid (a large minority amongst Europeans and white Americans is not 100% Europid, by the way), a general concern for Europe, its survival, and the preservation of its culture, values and stock — like the users I had in mind earlier.

So why should such people be excluded?



Ah, now we see, race is meaningless, it's only a bother because people are not treated as equals. So the only reason to separate is so we can have more justice. If people treated each other equally and intermarried, that would be wonderful. More justice, more freedom, higher standards, more solidarity, a higher degree of identification, &c.; yes, that's one of the primary reasons, although not the only one.

If for the people in all races race would be no issue — neither consciously, nor unconsciously —, and if there were also no other differences or reasons that would rationally justify seperation (such as a significantly lower IQ average, a higher tendency to crime, different system characteristics producing and requiring a different cultural and social order, preservation of phenotypes, continuation of the divergent evolution, &c.), then there would be little reason left to seperate, because there would be nothing left that characterizes race. We would all belong to the same race. ;)


There's no doubt about that. The millions and millions of 3rd world people are loving European justice and welfare. Let's share our wonderful culture and wealth with them, as well as our women. Ain't life grand. :) I do not see the connection between permitting pro-European opinions on a message board and "sharing our wealth and women with the 3rd world" (not that I would own any women). But probably there is none, and you are just agitating.

Regards,

- Thorburn

Nordhammer
Monday, June 30th, 2003, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Thorburn
You got me, I am a Jewish American nationalist.

Nobody is excluded on the grounds of class. People get booted for repeated illegal or uncivil statements, regardless of class.

That wasn't the implication, merely that your statement or belief is similar to them.

We weren't talking about exclusion from this board, you stated you preferred intellectual nonwhites over average whites.



Originally posted by Thorburn
This board cannot prevent that a single person comes to Europe, enters the fold of Western culture, assimilates, and marries a Europid woman.

And I doubt this board would, considering all that has been said already.


Originally posted by Thorburn
Fact is that they are here, on this board, and not on some egalitarian, integrationist, anti-European board. This can have two reason: either they want to provoke and disturb our discussion, in which case they will be removed, or they feel, regardless of the fact that they might not be 100% Europid (a large minority amongst Europeans and white Americans is not 100% Europid, by the way), a general concern for Europe, its survival, and the preservation of its culture, values and stock — like the users I had in mind earlier.

So since some have a small amount of nonwhite ancestry, then we must open the floodgates.

I see no nonwhites with a general concern for Europe, only as it relates to them. If they weren't getting something out of it, they wouldn't care. It's like the much ballyhooed David Horowitz. Oh the American Renaissance goyim just love him! He's their hero, even though he calls Jared Taylor a racist. lol Oi! But he fights the black militants and calls them racists! He must be one of us! Judeophilia is really a marvel to observe.


Originally posted by Thorburn
So why should such people be excluded?

They shouldn't. They should all be made moderators.



Originally posted by Thorburn
More justice, more freedom, higher standards, more solidarity, a higher degree of identification, &c.; yes, that's one of the primary reasons, although not the only one.

But what an injustice you would be doing them and yourself, depriving yourself of the enlightenment that multiculturalism and multiracialism brings, as you've outlined for this board and your own personal wellbeing. You wouldn't subject our people to a miserable, boring, stagnant, and backwards culture as that would you? Oh the humanity!



Originally posted by Thorburn
If for the people in all races race would be no issue — neither consciously, nor unconsciously —, and if there were also no other differences or reasons that would rationally justify seperation (such as a significantly lower IQ average, a higher tendency to crime, different system characteristics producing and requiring a different cultural and social order, preservation of phenotypes, continuation of the divergent evolution, &c.), then there would be little reason left to seperate, because there would be nothing left that characterizes race. We would all belong to the same race.

Well, people do have a REAL problem with racial survival purely on racial grounds. It just doesn't seem important enough, as I have stated and you have proven true as well as so many others here and elsewhere. Personality and intelligence are so much more important than race, as well as getting rich. Above-average nonwhites are better than average whites, as you said.


Originally posted by Thorburn
I do not see the connection between permitting pro-European opinions on a message board and "sharing our wealth and women with the 3rd world" (not that I would own any women). But probably there is none, and you are just agitating. .

Yes, I'm sure most would offer no objection to allowing their family and friends to be with a nonwhite. You don't want to be considered racist and sexist afterall, who are you to tell anyone how to live their lives!

Me? Agitating? Now that's something very unlike me. ;)

With so many other agitators and agitants, I don't want to feel left out.

Loki
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 12:29 AM
Nordhammer,

Your last few posts to this thread have been quite entertaining and funny, but I think it is reaching the limit now.

Your criticism of Thorburn's "civilized" behaviour is unrealistic and irrational. As Thorburn has already pointed out, this is a website only - not the real world. No-one here is going to encourage miscegenation. But rather than focusing on the negative (such as throwing slurs at non-whites, swearing at non-whites, showing them how "tough" we are, ect), we are focusing on the positive. The positive is revelling in our European culture, racial heritage, rich history, and the like. If others (non-whites) want to read up on our culture and history, and even dare discuss it with us, it will only be to our benefit.

There are enough people out there who are trying to portray all preservationist Europeans as "Nazis", "racists" and more. This image is not helpful, and if we keep on acting like true bigots, then I can see no real future for the cause of European preservation. No-body will even attempt to see our point of view. But if we adopt a softer, more just approach, we might even attain something remarkable. Please do not read into this that we want to miscegenate or share our culture with others. That nobody here wants. Especially not Thorburn.

Regards,

Loki

Thorburn
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
That wasn't the implication, merely that your statement or belief is similar to them. I do not know which particular belief is in question, but possible. There are beliefs which I share with Karl Marx, Noam Chomsky, David Duke and Marcus Nordhammer. I form my opinions by observation, reason and logic, and not by application of some ideology or faith. Who else holds them or not is rather irrelevant to me. As nobody is wrong in everything, it's rather self-evident that I will share certain opinions with American Jews - or with you, for that matter.


We weren't talking about exclusion from this board, you stated you preferred intellectual nonwhites over average whites. We were talking the whole time about which users this board admits or should admit.


And I doubt this board would, considering all that has been said already. If the admission to this board would include a residential permit, believe me, it would. Fact is, it doesn't.


So since some have a small amount of nonwhite ancestry, then we must open the floodgates. Who talks about opening the flood gates? There is simply no reason to exclude them from this board, if they support the preservation of Europe, its stock, culture and values.


I see no nonwhites with a general concern for Europe, only as it relates to them. I see a couple of users on this board who might not be exclusively Europid, but who have a general concern for Europe, its stock, culture and values.


They shouldn't. They should all be made moderators. I note that you could, apart from sarcasm, not name a single argument, why such users should be barred. So why complain?


But what an injustice you would be doing them and yourself, depriving yourself of the enlightenment that multiculturalism and multiracialism brings, as you've outlined for this board and your own personal wellbeing. You wouldn't subject our people to a miserable, boring, stagnant, and backwards culture as that would you? Oh the humanity! Firstly, Europe is a multi-cultural entity, and I have no problem with it, indeed. Secondly, this board is not a culture society either, but simply serves as a vehicle to exchange factual information. Facts remain facts, and are either true or not, regardless who utters them. Ethnic, cultural or racial characteristics of the person that presents them don't affect their quality or correctness and are irrelevant.

Would it thus make sense to exclude someone who is, let's say, very knowledgeable in anthropology and from whom many people can learn, simply because some of his ancestors come from the Middle Eastern region?


Well, people do have a REAL problem with racial survival purely on racial grounds. It just doesn't seem important enough, as I have stated and you have proven true as well as so many others here and elsewhere. Personality and intelligence are so much more important than race, as well as getting rich. Above-average nonwhites are better than average whites, as you said.That simply depends on the nature or purpose of the issue in question. It is irrational to make race the #1 priority where it systematically isn't. What you advocate is a form of racial affirmative action. I'd rather fly with a trained pilot that is not 100% Europid than with a Europid who can't fly. Similarly, I rather learn from someone that is not exclusively Europid and has knowledge in his field, than from a Europid who knows less about something than I.

For a board like this, as long as they support our aims, people that behave civilly, are educated, and intelligent, even if not exclusively of Europid heritage, have more value than an exclusively Europid person who can't write two posts without slurs and insults and who has not much more to contribute than mystical number combinations.

On the other hand, when it comes to the preservation of the genetic basis of our civilization or of rare phenotypes, the average Nordish person will be of greater value than the intelligent non-Europid.


Yes, I'm sure most would offer no objection to allowing their family and friends to be with a nonwhite. Of course not. Why should they?

Addendum: I was informed by two higher authorities of the English language that "be with" refers to sexual relationships rather than to acquaintanceships, occasional neighbor or business relationships, and the like. Naturally, I discourage the former.

- Thorburn

Ederico
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
Nope, this forum welcomes Indics, Middle Easterners, North Africans, Egyptians, and all manner of whites, semi-whites, and probably nonwhites as well. As long as they're wellmannered and our women find them goodlooking, their nonwhite ancestry is no problem.

Welcome is probably a huge word, we do not necessarily throw roses or petals in their path. If they get too much I would be the first to be disturbed. Yeah, but lol at the women thing.

Besides, there are no Middle Easterners, North Africans, or Egyptians, at least amongst the posters, unless someone is lying.

EDIT

After reading the whole thread I noticed that there is some indirect criticism being expressed. Currently the board has seen some improvement in discussions, even though in the last few days I noticed a decrease in posts or at least in posts that interest me, or it just might be that I am not much into it due to this damn Mediterrenean heat (yes it is damn hot). Whatever criticism you might have please expose it to me through a PM or email and I will see what can be done to improve the situation.

Frankly, I would not be pleased with a horde of non-Europids being present at this board no matter there intellectual level, I prefer to associate with Europeans and preferably with Europeans sharing like-minded beliefs, in fact I do not even invite Communists and the like to not cause turmoil, even though I would like to discuss with them.

Eventually if the amount of non-Europids gets to a certain levels we will create areas with restricted access, I want to have some isolation myself. Eventually if non-Europids cannot offer some brains they have no reason to be registered here in my opinion, and if they are our opponents they will not be here unless they do have brains and behave decently without disturbing our discussions.

That is all, and that is what I think, if you have any problem send me a PM or email.

Nordhammer
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by Loki
Nordhammer,

Your last few posts to this thread have been quite entertaining and funny, but I think it is reaching the limit now.

Your criticism of Thorburn's "civilized" behaviour is unrealistic and irrational.

Regarding civilized behavior, you should mind your own business and stay out of conversations you're not a part of. Being moderator doesn't make you god, don't be so pretentious.

Strνbog
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 10:54 PM
Are you one to throw stones about pretenses and condescending attitudes? You've irritated others here in the past...

Ederico
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 10:56 PM
Loki is one of the Moderators of this Forum, what happens in this Forum is his business. Moreover if the conversation happens in the Forums it is public and anyone could intervene, if you want a private conversation, go ahead and use the PM System, otherwise other people will intervene, and most probably Moderators will intervene as well.

Loki
Tuesday, July 1st, 2003, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
Regarding civilized behavior, you should mind your own business and stay out of conversations you're not a part of. Being moderator doesn't make you god, don't be so pretentious.

Indeed, Iovvs is right. This conversation you are having with Thorburn is very public. Expect comments and/or criticism.

Thorburn
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 08:52 AM
This whole discussion is absolutely superfluous. There is nobody on this board who would be to a significant degree non-Europid, not to mention "North Africans", "Egyptians", "semi-whites", "non-whites", or a "horde of non-Europids".

Nor are "Communists and the like" causing "turmoil" or a single other anti-human represented here.

Debating intelligibilities is simply a waste of time.

- Thorburn

Nordhammer
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
Loki is one of the Moderators of this Forum, what happens in this Forum is his business. Moreover if the conversation happens in the Forums it is public and anyone could intervene, if you want a private conversation, go ahead and use the PM System, otherwise other people will intervene, and most probably Moderators will intervene as well.

Quality of moderation is directly related to the quality of people who are moderating. This forum is going the way of Stormfront. Moderators get to decide what is appropriate based on their emotional whim. You think you get to decide what people think and feel, get over yourself. Just because something is witnessed in public doesn't mean you have the right to intervene, take your ego down a notch.

Nordhammer
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Thorburn
This whole discussion is absolutely superfluous.

Lots of things may be deemed a waste of time compared to other productive things we could be doing. If it's such a waste, then why bother replying at length? There must be some worth in it or you wouldn't use so much of your time.


Originally posted by Thorburn
There is nobody on this board who would be to a significant degree non-Europid

What about Rahul?

What is a significant degree of nonEuropid to you?

Apparently for some of the women here, 1/2 and 1/4 Mongoloids are sufficiently Europid to find them attractive and worthy of praise. Not to mention placing Nordish males in Mediterranean categories.

Ederico
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
Quality of moderation is directly related to the quality of people who are moderating. This forum is going the way of Stormfront. Moderators get to decide what is appropriate based on their emotional whim. You think you get to decide what people think and feel, get over yourself. Just because something is witnessed in public doesn't mean you have the right to intervene, take your ego down a notch.

If there is someone with an ego problem here it is someone that has an apparent influx of arrogance within himself that has decided to show it to our community. Take your ego down a notch.

We do not decide what people think or feel, but this is a board run by its Staff, we certainly define the limits to what is permissable, and I think we are broad enough in this. No one is telling you what to believe here, but certainly we won't go towards Anarchy and leave everyone do as they please, this place does not serve that purpose.

So tell me, when do I have the right to intervene in a public discussion in a board where I happen to be a Member who is also an Administrator? I intervene where I like and when I like, and unless I am being off-topic there is nothing wrong with that, and for what matters everyone can intervene in public discussions. If you want a private discussion use the PM System, that is all there is to it.

Thorburn
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by Nordhammer
Lots of things may be deemed a waste of time compared to other productive things we could be doing. If it's such a waste, then why bother replying at length? There must be some worth in it or you wouldn't use so much of your time. Yes, the hope a well-elaborated reply would motivate you to reason. But as you merely uncharge personal frustrations, it will be in vain, and I shall keep myself short.


What about Rahul? I do not know about him. Do you? Or do you just presuppose?

There won't be DNAprint tests on members (not on you either). It is assumed that you are Europid, and by the same patterns it is assumed that he is.

Fact is that he knows more about Aryavarta and the Aryan history, faith and culture than you ever will; that he belongs to the best mods this board ever had, that he is well-respected, and nobody ever had a problem with him. — Do you?



What is a significant degree of non-Europid to you?We discussed this in length more than once.


Apparently for some of the women here, 1/2 and 1/4 Mongoloids are sufficiently Europid to find them attractive and worthy of praise. Not to mention placing Nordish males in Mediterranean categories.
And that frustrates you, because they do not praise you, I know. —

Like all others, I missed the part of "praising" them anyway. Some described honestly their impressions. That does not mean that they will act upon them. Shall we call them "race traitors" now? Or reprimand them? Really, we don't need a hypocritical thought police.


You think you get to decide what people think and feel, get over yourself.
Seems to me you want to decide what people have to think and to feel when they see certain peripheral types, or into which sub-racial categories they have to place certain males.

You have the right to utter your opinions and so have others. Does this disturb you?

- Thorburn

Nordhammer
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
If there is someone with an ego problem here it is someone that has an apparent influx of arrogance within himself that has decided to show it to our community. Take your ego down a notch.

I have never broken any rules, only being judged by some moderators on a power trip. It's the same wherever you go. People get a little power and it goes to their head. You were the same one who in a fit of rage sent me a personal IM whining about how you don't like me saying things about Mediterraneans. Get a life.



Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
So tell me, when do I have the right to intervene in a public discussion in a board where I happen to be a Member who is also an Administrator?

You have the right to intervene when rules are broken, and none have been. Unless you want to rule by emotional whim like a despot.


Originally posted by Iovvs Optimvs Maximvs
I intervene where I like and when I like

I rest my case.

Ederico
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 06:18 PM
If you want to direct any complaint direct it to the Suggestions & Complaints Forum. This thread has been ruined by your sudden burst of discomfort. You should have talked it out in private instead of creating a case out of it.

I do get pissed off with idiotic behaviour, and that is the reason for my little message sent to you a while ago. I guess we should moderate your arrogance perhaps what do you think? Oh wait! That could possibly be power-tripping, so we cannot do anything otherwise we are evil despots, and no we do not want that do we.

Besides by intervene, I simply meant post, and in a public forum I post whenever I like.

Complaints belong in the Suggestions & Complaints Forum. That is all.

Nordhammer
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2003, 06:40 PM
Originally posted by Thorburn
Yes, the hope a well-elaborated reply would motivate you to reason. But as you merely uncharge personal frustrations, it will be in vain, and I shall keep myself short.

You being short and civil isn't the case now nor in the last few posts. Just like you are discharging your personal frustrations now with insults. The gentlemanly facade comes off rather quickly doesn't it?

Reason... reason... oh yes, everything that you don't like just must be irrational and insane. So ridiculous was what I said that you had to make long elaborate posts, and still do.

I merely spoke the truth, which you have confirmed yourself, yet you still feel the need to "reason" with me.

I had more to say about the last post but really, it takes a lot of time and energy and I just didn't feel like it.

Let me summarize your grand reason... no physical miscegenation or hybrid birth can possibly take place over the internet, therefore any insignificantly nonwhite, significantly nonwhite or fully nonwhite individual is no threat. Furthermore, we can learn from their knowledge and unique perspectives and be better people for it. True?


Originally posted by Thorburn
I do not know about him. Do you? Or do you just presuppose?

Aha. So now faced with the fact that there might be a significantly nonwhite member, and in this case super moderator, then you fallback to "well we can't prove it, neither can you, or anyone else, so why bother." But what if it's true? What if he's a dark Indic? What if there are coal-black Negroes that start coming on here and are intellectual and you find them interesting? That race is confirmed... you still wouldn't do anything about it. So why bother even talking about race or proving whether someone is or isn't, it doesn't matter to you anyway. Because as you said, no real miscegenation can take place... so no harm done. Just like being friends with nonwhites is no threat either. Or a white girl having sex with blacks but always using condoms... hey it doesn't really count, no harm done.


Originally posted by Thorburn
There won't be DNAprint tests on members (not on you either). It is assumed that you are Europid, and by the same patterns it is assumed that he is.

Fact is that he knows more about Aryavarta and the Aryan history, faith and culture than you ever will; that he belongs to the best mods this board ever had, that he is well-respected, and nobody ever had a problem with him. — Do you?

I have never claimed to know more than a native Indian about their own culture.

I would agree that he is a better moderator than the ones I've witnessed in here, and that's because he doesn't intervene where he shouldn't.

Do I what? Have more respect from people here than a nonwhite does or could? Probably not, but this doesn't surprise me. As I've said, people are inherently opportunistic and go with whatever benefits them the most regardless of ideology.


Originally posted by Thorburn
We discussed this in length more than once.

But I can't recall, and you may have changed your mind. So it would be nice to have an updated version of your belief. You may not feel comfortable in making such a statement in public though.


Originally posted by Thorburn
And that frustrates you, because they do not praise you, I know. —

hehe No, I'm beyond that, really. I don't require praise from anyone here. I do find the hypocrisy of it disgusting though, but that's the kind of people we have now.


Originally posted by Thorburn
Like all others, I missed the part of "praising" them anyway. Some described honestly their impressions. That does not mean that they will act upon them. Shall we call them "race traitors" now? Or reprimand them? Really, we don't need a hypocritical thought police.

I grow weary of these semantic games. It's so feminine. I'm sure you would use that same argument if you had a girlfriend who talked about how much she liked black men and fantasized about them all the time. That's okay though because she wouldn't act on it.


Originally posted by Thorburn
Seems to me you want to decide what people have to think and to feel when they see certain peripheral types, or into which sub-racial categories they have to place certain males.

You have the right to utter your opinions and so have others. Does this disturb you?- Thorburn

Oh, and I remember you agreeing with me in IM and saying how it disturbed you as well and you stopped reading the thread once you saw that. But now you're defending it... typical.

People can be as sickminded as they wish, I'm not trying to stop them. I am expressing my opinion, my ideas of right and wrong... hey, if you think it's wonderful for white women, your female friends, your mother or sister to talk about how much they like nonwhite men... go for it, maybe you enjoy that kind of thing. I don't, I think it's disgusting.

I'm not trying to stop people from expressing their true selves, their innermost desires.