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Gareth
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 04:38 PM
Kazan Tartars (both high in I and R1a):
http://img123.exs.cx/img123/812/p62500195ga.th.jpg (http://img123.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img123&image=p62500195ga.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/2623/solntsev3lm.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=solntsev3lm.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/7554/1485rom5kk.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=1485rom5kk.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/8388/0273ay.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=0273ay.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/6278/00409rh.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=00409rh.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/4245/1476outkazan3wn.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=1476outkazan3wn.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/6385/tartarstanpa2300590wd.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=tartarstanpa2300590wd.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/7923/perm10080480hc.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=perm10080480hc.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/1954/pasha13vv.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=pasha13vv.jpg)http://img175.exs.cx/img175/8735/nchinarov0kq.th.jpg (http://img175.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img175&image=nchinarov0kq.jpg)http://img161.exs.cx/img161/9117/anton13lm.th.jpg (http://img161.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img161&image=anton13lm.jpg)http://img161.exs.cx/img161/7936/russianabokov3hisfarancestorwa.th.jpg (http://img161.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img161&image=russianabokov3hisfarancestorwa.jpg )http://img161.exs.cx/img161/7039/dscn12749yx.th.jpg (http://img161.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img161&image=dscn12749yx.jpg)http://img161.exs.cx/img161/3396/renn6xn.th.jpg (http://img161.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img161&image=renn6xn.jpg)http://img115.exs.cx/img115/1280/al000054qt.th.jpg (http://img115.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img115&image=al000054qt.jpg)http://img115.exs.cx/img115/6762/p40500031nz.th.jpg (http://img115.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img115&image=p40500031nz.jpg)http://img115.exs.cx/img115/1904/tatar4zn.th.jpg (http://img115.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img115&image=tatar4zn.jpg)http://img45.exs.cx/img45/3743/tatarpic272um.th.jpg (http://img45.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img45&image=tatarpic272um.jpg)

Tajiks (high frequency of R1a):
http://img47.exs.cx/img47/627/tajikmomson7vl.th.jpg (http://img47.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img47&image=tajikmomson7vl.jpg)http://img223.exs.cx/img223/9486/46tadjic5li.th.jpg (http://img223.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img223&image=46tadjic5li.jpg)http://img47.exs.cx/img47/605/tajic1ub.th.jpg (http://img47.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img47&image=tajic1ub.jpg)http://img61.exs.cx/img61/3268/tajiklady8yx.th.jpg (http://img61.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img61&image=tajiklady8yx.jpg)http://img168.exs.cx/img168/2757/tajikangels4co.th.jpg (http://img168.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img168&image=tajikangels4co.jpg)http://img168.exs.cx/img168/2569/tajikwomen9nl.th.jpg (http://img168.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img168&image=tajikwomen9nl.jpg)http://img168.exs.cx/img168/6343/tajikjabal6ob.th.jpg (http://img168.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img168&image=tajikjabal6ob.jpg)http://img61.exs.cx/img61/2720/tajikistan27uo.jpg

Appalachian
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 05:53 PM
Just because someone lives in Kazan, it doesn't mean they're a Tatar. How do you know those people are indeed Tatars?

Agrippa
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 05:58 PM
Most are Europid in this collection of various subraces but with Mongolid admixture.

Gareth
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Just because someone lives in Kazan, it doesn't mean they're a Tatar. How do you know those people are indeed Tatars?
They have Turanid features on a low level. They could be assimilated Russians and most likely are to some degree but not only. Russians also tend to look more Neo-Danubian/Osteuropid than the depicted Tartars which is strange.

Here's an excerpt from my new list of features (on every Caucasoid subrace) excluding the parts about other subtypes (East-Baltic, Neo-Danubian/Osteuropid, Lappid and Wjatkid) because the part about Lappid isn't finished yet. I also believe that both Neo-Danubians/Osteuropids and Lappids are a complex mix and not only of one or two origins.

Lapponoid races
- smaller stature, endomorphism, short legs, long arms in absolute values, long trunk (Vogel)
- head square to oval in shape seen frontally, globular seen from top, tendency to keeling of the vault, top of the vault roundish tent-shaped in profile (Coon)
- protrusive zygomatic arches (Vogel) that rise in height and project towards the hindpart, broad-boned head, face has a massive effect compared with the cranial portion (Guenther), flaring gonial angles, steep crescent to some apex seen in profile (Frans)
- wide deep, heavy lower jaw (Guenther), sometimes vertical chin (Guenther)
- slightly sloping (Guenther), towards the temples constricting forehead
- roundish snubnose, often markedly uptilted, flattish rooted with broad cartilage, cranial opening smaller (Guenther), somewhat asymmetric (Guenther, Coon)
- short feets and hands small (Guenther), rugged structure, crooked fingers
- late onset of puberty
- angles of the mouth point downwards, the lips appear pink
- pinched features in front of the temples at the eyes (Schwidetzky, ~Finns)
- tendency to retrognathy (Guenther, Coon)
- bones of the whole skull and the whole skeleton are more delicately made (McGraw Hill)
- maxilla narrow (Guenther)
- often characteristic ear-shape, earlobes attached in a diagonal line followed by a bent upwards (Lundman, Coon), top of the ear pointed or angular bent at the top contour, will remain intermediate in mixes
- expression often sullen, not seldom it is gloomy, but withal strong or at least hard (Guenther), solid pose (Hildebrandt)
- skin fair, greyish undertone (Hildebrandt), less contrastful texture
- eyes grey-mixed (Hildebrandt), grey-blue or brown, in some cases yellow, squinty, interorbital distance extended, large median eyefold, lid-openings slightly almond-shaped (Lundman), eyebrows obliquely pointed or having a jagged edge (Guenther, Lundman), eyeballs small, glancing sideways is a typical expression (~Finns), browridges absent or if present rounded and narrower than normal, meeting between the supraorbital area, one orbit slightly greater in height than the other (Guenther, Glowatzki), one sidewing of the eyebrows inclining downwards in an angular way while the other one does not (Lundman)
- hair straight (Guenther), color ranging from platinum blond and dark ash-blond to brown, receding hair-texture, widow's peak, noticable hairless space above the ears

# Turanid
- slender (Vogel)
- wide skull, occiput uptilted and projecting in most cases, sometimes flattened, breadth of the vault flaring (Lundman)
- orthocephalic (Vogel), absence of Caucasoid overbite, facial flatness, edge-to-edge bite, round palate-shape acknowledgeable by the breadth of the mouth in profile, face very broad and very long at once (lg), zygomatic arches flattened and projecting to the level of the eye-sockets (Schwidetzky)
- Mongolian spot in the most far-fetched mixes, absent in Finnic Lapponoids
- cheeks, jaw and forehead straight-lined at the sides narrowing downwards, otherwise bulging cheekbones
- forehead low and steep, typically a restricting or expanding expression at the sides (Coon), frontal bosses if present slightly narrower-set than average (Schwidetzky)
- deep jaw (Coon, Eickstedt), small yet strong chin (Vogel)
- leptorrhine nose (Coon), slinky nostrils and tip narrow (Vogel), spine contiguous straight or convex, sometimes angular lines between the spine and the side wings, nasal captivity sometimes slightly expanding from anterior (Lundman), nasojugal grooves streching along the whole nose (lg, Eickstedt)
- part of the lower ear's surface flattened together, doubled or tripled connections within the ear's auricle
- tendency to furrows on the forehead
- conjunctiva of the eye somewhat yellow or brownish, narrow eye opening, absence of epicanthic fold (Kiszely), median fold and/or ptosis of the eyelids due to a deposit of fat in the upper lid especially during puberty,distance between the supraorbital margin and the eye-openings big (Lundman), straight-lined or arched eyebrows with coarse, yet sparse texture (~Tartars)
- thin skin, clear cut appearance, brownish, golden or moon-face-white skin color
- hair pigmentation varies, in few cases black (~Tartars), more often beard growth: 0, pilosity sparse (Kiszely, Vogel), straight-textured hair in cross section (Glenlivet)

More anthropologic plates of Tartars:
http://img107.exs.cx/img107/1905/tatarspic268ey.th.jpg (http://img107.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img107&image=tatarspic268ey.jpg)http://img107.exs.cx/img107/1045/tatarspic296xk.th.jpg (http://img107.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img107&image=tatarspic296xk.jpg)http://img107.exs.cx/img107/6907/tatarspic309ou.th.jpg (http://img107.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img107&image=tatarspic309ou.jpg)

If you scroll down on this site you can see that they share their clear cut faces with Ukrainian Nordics:
http://slavanthro.org/ukranians.html

Aistulf
Sunday, March 27th, 2005, 09:43 AM
I think someone once told me that only 30% of the population of Kazan is of actual Tatar ancestry, along with a small mixed percentage. I guess the person was right, I think a lot of the pictured people could pass for normal Russians... (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's quite amazing, when you think of it, "Tatar(stan) capital" is more Europid than, say, Amsterdam is; keeping in mind the histories of both cities.

Aragorn
Monday, March 28th, 2005, 08:05 PM
I can say from experience, as I have visited Russia several times, and on one of my visitings I was in Kazan, I can truelly say that Kazan doesnt look like an oriental muslim city. Ofcourse there are some mosques, but the main character of the city, in its architecture, its many Russian-orthodox churches it looks like as typical Europian-Russian city. The roads look like something as in Prague. Even the most inhabitans doesnt look like as the mongolide Tartars. In Tartarstan itself, the majority is of Russian heritage.

Wichmann
Wednesday, March 30th, 2005, 01:49 PM
Amazing! Isn't that Liv Tyler? ;)


http://img115.exs.cx/img115/1904/tatar4zn.jpg

Huzar
Wednesday, March 30th, 2005, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE=Wichmann]Amazing! Isn't that Liv Tyler ?


Imo, a refined example of Nordid- mongolid mix. (i've thought the same thing about her)

bharatgoel
Tuesday, October 18th, 2005, 07:22 AM
Most are Europid in this collection of various subraces but with Mongolid admixture.

How can the tajiks be so nordic looking-
http://www.pamirs.org/images/children/images/girls_blonde_and_dark_vanj.jpg

This is from-
http://www.pamirs.org/children.htm

Could the girl on the left really be an ethnic Tajik? Can one be sure that she is not?

Siegmund
Tuesday, October 18th, 2005, 12:12 PM
How can the tajiks be so nordic looking ... This is from ... http://www.pamirs.org/children.htm
I wonder the same thing: just what exactly is the relationship of the Pamiri Tajiks to Europids from an anthropological perspective?

Here are two more photos I found especially intriguing. Amazing eyes:

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=41991&stc=1&d=1129633242

Similar to some Italian types:

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=41992&stc=1&d=1129633242

Agrippa
Tuesday, October 18th, 2005, 04:31 PM
The Tajiks are, if you so want, a farmer group most likely subordinated by Irano-Nordoid, Cromagnid and Pontid Aryans. They were before an Iranid group which tendencies towards Dinarisation. Though they became IE because of that Northern impact, this tendency never stopped, they are still best being described as Dinarised Iranids with various admixture, including some of the North, coming with the Iranians/Aryans.
Whats typical for this type is, that like all Taurid variants, its origin is in a mountainous region. There seem to be a very clear connection between Dinarisation and mountainous herder-farmer lifestyle, like the old physical anthropologists already suggested (like v. Eickstedt).

Originally posted by Liquid Len at Dodona:


We all know about the area of the Dinaric Alps, former Yugoslavia and Albania, being the place where the Dinaric type is most frequent.
I've just read two articles about the racial history of Yugoslavia and Albania (from Gavrilovic/Schwidetzky, respectively Schwidetzky, 1979):

One thing seems to be clear: There was never a large Dinaric, Dinaroid or Taurid immigration into the western Balkans. Instead, if we take the bracycephalisation process as an indicator for the Dinaricisation (in the southern half of former Yugoslavia the brachycephalisation was accompanied by an increase of the face index - the faces became relatively higher - and a gracilisation), we find that there had been a strikingly constant, smooth increase of Dinarics since the late Neolithic. The local mesolithic population (e.g. from Lepenski Vir) had consisted of high vaulted Cromagnoids or Paleoeuropids (LHI 75,3-76,9; CI 77). With the Neolithisation the population became more Mediterranean, with robust, high vaulted Meds (i.e. Pontics) being predominant (LHI 76,4; CI 74,2). The first Dinaric skulls (planoccipital, brachycephalic) date of the early Bronze age or possibly of the late Neolithic. But in the beginning they were rare, and even the Illyrians of the Iron and Roman Ages were still predominantly Pontic (CI 77,2-80,4).
But the cephalic index kept constantly rising, with the following exceptions: In the South there was only one major decrease, namely around the middle of the first millennium AD, which has to be ascribed to the massive Slavic immigration. In the North there was an earlier, additional decrease already in the Iron age, probably linked to a stronger central European influence (e.g. Celts). But immediately afterwards the Dinaricisation speed was everywhere the same as before, it got only slightly stronger in the last millennium, perhaps due to a parallel Alpinisation process.

Hence, as conclusion we can safely say that the present Dinaric populations evolved in place from Mediterranean (Pontic) populations. But IMO this does not necessarily mean that the Dinaric skull shape evolved in situ through mutations and selection from local Med skulls. I think it's possible that the first, few Dinaric skulls could have been brought there from somewhere else, like Anatolia. On the other hand it's logical that there must have been a time (and place) when they arose through mutation and selection from longer, lower skulls.


Thats exactly what I thought and wrote on Skadi and pointed out in the Brachycephalisation thread as well, that immigration is not necessary, though I should add, that in such processes (like with Alpinisation) even a very small intrusion would be enough if the selective pressure in this direction is strong - though it could be total autochthoneous as well.

Related to this too since local Dinarisation processes especially in similar environments (mountainous higher regions) might occur in other regions without foreign admixture, as I already suggested (similar pattern is true for Alpinisation in poor stable farmer societies).
http://forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=5540

Cnooc
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005, 01:03 AM
Tatar Actress:

http://marmot.blogs.com/korea/images/khamakova.jpg

American Tatars:

http://www.tatars.org/photoalbum/ildus2.jpghttp://www.kazakov.org/almaz/photos/icon_almaz_clock.jpghttp://www.tatars.org/avatar/rafael.jpg


Chinese Tatar:

http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Minorities/min-Tatar-2.jpg


The Tatar minority in China is often mistakenly lumped in with the 20,000 or so Russians, because it's so hard to tell the two groups apart. And the fact that many can also speak Russian doesn't help.

bharatgoel
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005, 03:33 PM
The Tajiks are, if you so want, a farmer group most likely subordinated by Irano-Nordoid, Cromagnid and Pontid Aryans. They were before an Iranid group which tendencies towards Dinarisation. Though they became IE because of that Northern impact, this tendency never stopped, they are still best being described as Dinarised Iranids with various admixture, including some of the North, coming with the Iranians/Aryans.


But can the girl on the left really be an ethnic Tajik? Shouldn't she be a russian minority or something?

http://www.pamirs.org/images/children/images/girls_blonde_and_dark_vanj.jpg

Glenlivet
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005, 06:42 PM
http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/812/p62500195ga.jpg

The one on the right is extremely Northern Europeoid and predominantly Nordid. I would have thought he is an ethnic (Great) Russian. He look more northern than the average Scandinavian. For a lack of better term, I would call him Trönder-approximative. Gareth, do you have more pictures of him?

Agrippa
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005, 06:46 PM
Both is possible.

bharatgoel
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 05:13 AM
Both is possible.

How would you classify them? How much would be the nordic component in tajiks? Is it also present in uzbek, kazakh, kyrgyz and turkmen?

Agrippa
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 12:32 PM
How would you classify them?

The depigmented girl left would be rather Osteuropid/Eastcromagnid than Nordid proper, something you can see quite often in the steppe area as well.


How much would be the nordic component in tajiks? Is it also present in uzbek, kazakh, kyrgyz and turkmen?

In Kazakhs and Kyrgyz people I even saw it, in Uzbeks it should be present as well, but Turkmen not really. The Southern part of Central Asia was always more Iranid-Pamirid before the Mongolid expansion and still is.

Siegmund
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 12:56 PM
The depigmented girl left would be rather Osteuropid/Eastcromagnid than Nordid proper, something you can see quite often in the steppe area as well.
According to something I read on another forum, Vladimir Putin is Osteuropid. For comparison, do you have a pic showing a more or less pure East Cromagnid type?

Vladimir Putin:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/.onix/images/imagebank/putin.jpg

Pamiri Tajik girl (on left):

http://www.pamirs.org/images/children/images/girls_blonde_and_dark_vanj.jpg

Agrippa
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 01:09 PM
According to something I read on another forum, Vladimir Putin is Osteuropid. For comparison, do you have a pic showing a more or less pure East Cromagnid type?

Austrvegr posted various pictures and should have some which fall in this category more or less.
She would be more or less (phenotypically) an unreduced Osteuropid:

Siegmund
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 01:19 PM
She would be more or less (phenotypically) an unreduced Osteuropid
Sorry, did you mean Osteuropid or East Cromagnid? I was hoping you had a pic of an East Cromagnid. But perhaps that's the same as an "unreduced" Osteuropid... ?

Austrvegr
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 01:59 PM
But can the girl on the left really be an ethnic Tajik? Shouldn't she be a russian minority or something?

http://www.pamirs.org/images/children/images/girls_blonde_and_dark_vanj.jpg

The girl to the left is obviously an ethnic Russian. I believe among Iranian-speaking ethnicities only Nuristanis may have children that depigmented.

Austrvegr
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 02:04 PM
The pictures of Kazan Tatars also include some ethnic Russians.

Marat Basharov, however, is an ethnic Kazan Tatar on his father's and mother's sides:

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/sergepetroff/bash1278.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/sergepetroff/bash1259.jpg

Austrvegr
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 02:07 PM
Two more Kazan Tatars:

Nikolay Khabibullin:

http://tinypic.com/es681v.jpg

Yelena Isinbayeva:

http://tinypic.com/es682v.jpg

http://tinypic.com/es682c.jpg

However, judging by their Russian first names, they may be mixed, I don't know exactly.

Agrippa
Thursday, October 20th, 2005, 02:43 PM
Sorry, did you mean Osteuropid or East Cromagnid? I was hoping you had a pic of an East Cromagnid. But perhaps that's the same as an "unreduced" Osteuropid... ?

Yes, Osteuropids have a wider spectrum, I differentiate Eastcromagnid (original form) from partly reduced-sofer West Baltids and more Lappoid influenced looking East Baltids. In a Kurgan a rich female warrior grave was found and the type analysed was Eastcromagnid as well. Mixed individuals (Eastcromagnid-Tungid) exist still in the Kasakh steppe f.e.

Austrvegr
Friday, October 21st, 2005, 09:41 AM
Nuristanis:

http://tinypic.com/esrrf6.jpg

bharatgoel
Monday, November 7th, 2005, 10:18 AM
Afghan woman-
http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_gallery_afghan_050914_ssh.jpg

She doesn't have very refined features but she surely is very different looking than most afghans. Its amazing to find light coloured individuals mixed among very dark. I mean even within certain families you have europid looking and the average afghan looking. How is this possible? By the way how would you classify her? Most people in the photo one would assume should be dark cvonsidering their clothing at least the child in the background is. Maybe she is light because of very harsh conditions?


The depigmented girl left would be rather Osteuropid/Eastcromagnid than Nordid proper, something you can see quite often in the steppe area as well.



In Kazakhs and Kyrgyz people I even saw it, in Uzbeks it should be present as well, but Turkmen not really. The Southern part of Central Asia was always more Iranid-Pamirid before the Mongolid expansion and still is.

bharatgoel
Thursday, November 10th, 2005, 07:26 AM
http://www.peacexpeace.org/resources/library/image.asp?id=61

Is this afghan kid mongoloid? He does seem nordoid also? Could he belong to the hazara who are mongoloids with some degree of blondishness? He looks like kazak/kyrgyz kids doesn't he (I mean some kazak kids are like that)?

Doerin
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 03:39 PM
Well, as I live in Russia and I was born in Middle Asia (Kazakhstan) I would say that theoritically that girl on the left may be a Pamirian (Badakhshantsi). However such a type can be met very rarely. Much more white are Tchechenians - most of them are typical caucasians, but there a lot (some percentage even) that look cromagnid or even nordid, an ethnic Russian may not understand that it's his eternal enemy;)
What about Tatars, they have several quite easily distinguished racial types. When a Russian says "tatar" he means rather a dark mixture of europeoid and mongoloid but a lot (!) of Tatars will never be distiguished from Russians or any other northern europian people.
A lot of Tatars have russian names, that doesn'tnecessary mean that they are half Russians, but who knows exactly who were you ancestors 200 years ago?

Doerin
Sunday, July 23rd, 2006, 03:56 PM
I would say that that girl on the left is Tchechenian because of eyes - Russians never have such wild expression of eyes.
But Idoubt that among valley-Tajiks one can meet such a type - and Mountaineers aren't Tajiks, although they are called so - they are much closer to Pushtuns in Afghanistan, at least by languages.

Finnic Wolf
Friday, November 3rd, 2006, 07:28 PM
Tatars and Russian have been historically mixing so nowadays the difference is not so much genetical but cultural, linguistic, and such. Plus, there is always the possibility of differing racial types and people in confederations with each other that have not been mixing. There are other theories as well, such as an intermediate or 'hybrid' race across Eurasia that was just reinforced by migrations in the area.

Ergenekon
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 11:50 AM
I think someone once told me that only 30% of the population of Kazan is of actual Tatar ancestry, along with a small mixed percentage. I guess the person was right, I think a lot of the pictured people could pass for normal Russians... (correct me if I'm wrong).

It's quite amazing, when you think of it, "Tatar(stan) capital" is more Europid than, say, Amsterdam is; keeping in mind the histories of both cities.

%46 not 30%.
Normal Russians are very mixed with Tatars.
300 years Tatar domination over Russians and 500 years Russian domination on Tatars. 800 years all together, with marriages and rapes from both sides.

andreyza
Friday, November 19th, 2010, 07:26 AM
you confuse the Tatars and Mongols.
Tartars and Mongol tribes, different people

Northern Paladin
Friday, November 19th, 2010, 03:16 PM
I always found it fascinating how "White" some of these Asiatic people are, I believe a Chuvash man is given as an example of East Nordid on the Nordish gallery, and Maria Sharapova is another example of an East Nordid Asiatic (Tatar), and then you look at some ethnic Russians like Brezhnev (ouch) and think wtf? It was the East Nordid Russians who blessed them whith these genes, and in return the Russians got a fair share of their Asiatic genes.