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Strapu
Wednesday, July 10th, 2002, 06:45 PM
This is one of the biggest obstacles to reaching the Christians that White Nationalists need to reach. We should continually point out the ridiculous current activism on the part of traitorous Church leaders who continually tack Christianity onto the tail end of Judaism...aka "JudeoChristianity." This is a term which has only been used by the reds and their dupes just in the last 5 years. Judaism and Christianity are as diametrically opposed as the North and South Poles!
Strapu
Israeli Leaders Told of Strong Support Among American Christians

By Bill Fancher and Chad Groening
July 2, 2002

(AgapePress) - On Monday, a pro-family activist carried a letter to Israel showing support from Christian leaders in the United States. The letter is now in the hands Israelís prime minister.

Gary Bauer of the Campaign for Working Families met with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in a meeting that was scheduled to last only fifteen minutes.

"I delivered to Prime Minister Sharon a letter of strong support from American Christian leaders, including Jim Dobson, Chuck Colson, Jerry Falwell, and others -- and he was so moved by that that our meeting ended up going an hour," Bauer says. "[It] was really a wonderful opportunity, as an American Christian, for me to let the prime minister and, through him, the Israeli people know the strong support that they have in the Christian community in the United States."

Bauer, who also met later with former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, says the letter was gratefully received because it comes at a time when the Jewish nation feels it is isolated. He says it is no wonder.

"The European press has been very hostile to Israel; the United Nations has been hostile for years, and continues to be; and the American media, quite frankly, has certainly tilted against Israel in recent years -- and it seems to be accelerating. They very much have a sense of being under siege," he says.

While that feeling is voiced, Bauer says the nation is a bustling and busy place to visit. He also says it is a very safe place to visit and encourages everyone who supports Israel to visit the Holy Land.

Palestinian Claim Called 'Indefensible'
Conservative pundit David Horowitz says unless the Palestinians truly establish a democratic form of government, their claim for a Palestinian state is indefensible.

Last week, President Bush declared that in order for the United States to support the creation of a Palestinian homeland, the Palestinian people just elect a democratic leadership. In other words: Yasser Arafat must go.

But Horowitz does not see a lot of support for that idea in the Muslim world. "I don't see a lot of Arab leaders standing up and saying ... Arafat is a monster and needs to be removed," he says. "So until that time, in my view, the Arabs neither have a moral case nor a political case nor a historical case for their cause -- it is indefensible."

Horowitz believes the Arabs have no interest in peace with Israel -- and he is skeptical that a Palestinian state would bring an end to terrorist attacks upon Israeli civilians. "In my view, [they] are no different from the Nazis," he says. "Their clear intention is to exterminate the Jews and drive them into the sea."

"They have no interest in peace, their leaders are terrorists, they teach their children to strap bombs around themselves and blow up other children and tell them they're going to heaven -- which [in my view] is as low as you can get in the human scale."

http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/7/22002d.asp

Ederico
Wednesday, July 10th, 2002, 10:16 PM
Originally posted by Strapu
This is one of the biggest obstacles to reaching the Christians that White Nationalists need to reach. We should continually point out the ridiculous current activism on the part of traitorous Church leaders who continually tack Christianity onto the tail end of Judaism...aka "JudeoChristianity." This is a term which has only been used by the reds and their dupes just in the last 5 years. Judaism and Christianity are as diametrically opposed as the North and South Poles!
Strapu


In my opinion WN/NS need to reach to Christian Aryans, this unfortunately cannot be done by labelling Christianity Judeo-Christianity, and treating Christianity as an enemy of Aryan Nationalism. Christian Aryans might be pushed away by such a treatment of Christianity, and we definitely cannot afford pushing away other Aryans. Adolf Hitler mentioned that the politician must not interfere with the religious life of the nation, unless he is a religious reformer. Our main interest is political and racial, the religious aspect must be removed from our actions for the time being in my opinion.

Strapu
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 01:40 AM
Our main interest is political and racial, the religious aspect must be removed from our actions for the time being in my opinion.

My point is that we should negate the association with Jews with Christianity. The purpose behind this move on the part of the Jews and their stooges is to align the two together so that Christians and Jews appear to have a common interest. We should and must point out that the two are as opposed as it possibly can get if we hope to attract the brainwashed White Christians. If they already knew for example what is contained in the Talmud it would be easier.
You can't ignore religion for it is one of the primary tools the Jews have used to deceive our race.

Hellstar
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Nazzjonalista
In my opinion WN/NS need to reach to Christian Aryans, this unfortunately cannot be done by labelling Christianity Judeo-Christianity,
why not? lets talk like it is, put all cards on the table.



and treating Christianity as an enemy of Aryan Nationalism.
I think we are entitled to that much, looking back at history, dont you think?



Christian Aryans might be pushed away by such a treatment of Christianity, and we definitely cannot afford pushing away other Aryans.
yes I recognize the dilemma.



Adolf Hitler mentioned that the politician must not interfere with the religious life of the nation, unless he is a religious reformer.
I dont really care if that's all he had to say about that.



Our main interest is political and racial, the religious aspect must be removed from our actions for the time being in my opinion
well I find that rather hard to embrace, since I find racialism to be symbiotic to some extent with philosophy and religion, mythology, and personality organisation.

to put it in other words, I see it as a whole and im not willing to compromise "alot"

Hellstar
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by Strapu
My point is that we should negate the association with Jews with Christianity.

Why in the world do you want to negate that?
when Jesus`s mom was said to of been Jewish?



The purpose behind this move on the part of the Jews and their stooges is to align the two together so that Christians and Jews appear to have a common interest.
what move are you referring too more specific?

and yes, im aware the Jews are spreading egalitarianism, and that antagonistic forces threatening the Jews should be placed into alignment and controlled in whatever way suits the Jewish agenda best. yes Jews break every moral codex for their despicable play, their excuse is to obtain the so-called appraised sanctimonious moral, how hypocritical. breaking every moral to serve the same moral under other masks.



We should and must point out that the two are as opposed as it possibly can get if we hope to attract the brainwashed White Christians.
unfortunately I think you are right.

unfortunately because realism dont seem to work,



If they already knew for example what is contained in the Talmud it would be easier.
You can't ignore religion for it is one of the primary tools the Jews have used to deceive our race.

yes no one is denying it, im just concerned over the religion.

what do you think about the Jews influence on Christianity. mainly practiced by the White Aryans of Northern and central European origin,

dont you stumble upon alot of paradoxes while reading the bible?

Strapu
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 05:35 AM
Why in the world do you want to negate that?

It's true that Jesus was born a Jew. Judas was born a Jew also, and so were the Pharisees who were the same as Rabbis at the time.
Christ rejected the Jews and told them they were of their father the devil and the origin of all lies. If the ministers really studied the New Testament (which the Jews are trying to censor now) they would know that the Jews defied the covenant with God under Abraham and they are not the "chosen people" they purport to be. They are the people who took responsiblity for killing Jesus Christ. You don't see many mainstream preachers even willing to acknowledge this fact publicly.
Many people don't know it, but Pope John Paul II is a Jew. His mother was Jewish also, and just look at how the Catholic Church has slid downhill under his leadership.


what move are you referring too more specific?

I am speaking of the Jewish assault on Christianity as they have always done by deceiving gentiles into believing that they are the "chosen people" while they assault Christian tradition at every opportunity.


what do you think about the Jews influence on Christianity. mainly practiced by the White Aryans of Northern and central European origin,

I think they are undermining Christianity at every opportunity. That was my whole point.

Hellstar
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 06:05 AM
Originally posted by Strapu
It's true that Jesus was born a Jew. Judas was born a Jew also, and so were the Pharisees who were the same as Rabbis at the time.
Christ rejected the Jews and told them they were of their father the devil and the origin of all lies. If the ministers really studied the New Testament (which the Jews are trying to censor now) they would know that the Jews defied the covenant with God under Abraham and they are not the "chosen people" they purport to be. They are the people who took responsiblity for killing Jesus Christ. You don't see many mainstream preachers even willing to acknowledge this fact publicly.
Many people don't know it, but Pope John Paul II is a Jew. His mother was Jewish also, and just look at how the Catholic Church has slid downhill under his leadership.

Would you please tell me more about this censoring, it sounds interesting to get that fulminated.

I total agree what concerns the "chosen people", I wonder how all that started,
they seem to recognize their genes insufficiency so they try to miscegenate the whole sphere, that's how much a people of self hate are willing to go, a people of pride and virtue with a proud past, would never indulge in self destruction, what is the purpose in being "chosen" then for them? ( if they throw it all away and destroy the socalled "chosen genepoll", we dont believe in race but yet we are Jews? how stupid of them to declare)

I didn't know John Paul II was a Jew, but now you say it, yes he looks like it, its hard to say if he behaves like it, his always so stolid, I remember where i grew up as kid, this child around 12 years old ( descending from Shi lanka maybe ) adopted by white socialists, told my mom he met the pope and he kissed his hand in Italy, and he cried, imagine me hearing that! in that age? I was utterly repulsed by this creature living close by.


"I am speaking of the Jewish assault on Christianity as they have always done by deceiving gentiles into believing that they are the "chosen people" while they assault Christian tradition at every opportunity."


Have you read this online book here?

http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/oliver/toc_ol.htm


"I think they are undermining Christianity at every opportunity. That was my whole point."


You dont see them having an interest in consolidating Christianity among society?

Ederico
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 10:56 AM
I see Jesus Christ as a Jewish reformer of Judaism, that is why he was sentenced to death by the will of the Jews. From what I read of the Talmud, which is a sacred Jewish text, Judaism and Christianity are different, and the term Judeo-Christianity can only hold because Christ was born to a Jewish mother.

Also since we hold that the Jews are a race, combining the religion of the Jews with Christianity which is fortunately or unfortunately the religion of many Aryans (although the modern God is money and nothing or no one else), depending on point of view, by labelling it Judeo-Christianity, is another objection I have. From what I understand by this label, we basically label Christianity as a Judaism for Gentiles.

I am not possess a good knowledge of religion, I was raised a Catholic, but I always rebelled to the Authoritarian nature of the teachings because I never got answers to my questions. I believe that the ancient myths of all the Aryan peoples should be revived at least to revive a part of our culture lost. I see no problem for a follower of Christian morality to know the myths of his forefathers.

Rahul
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Early propogators of Christianity must have modelled their theology after the prevalent Aryan/Indo-European lores of the proud forefathers-the Kelts, the Norse, the Germanic and many more.

And it is all well-known how some played into the hands of the Jews. Charlemagne is treated as a hero among the rulers of the Angle-Saxon-Germanic European nations of the day. They even have a reward after him, which the present to the selected killer of the "Aryan traditions".

This is, indeed, a serious dilemma. But if things are to follow a logical course, then Aryans will only accept wholesomely Aryan traditions, lores and philosophy.

I don't see any reason for a conflict, but there should be a way to have an alliance, for racial purity is the highest noble purpose behind all endeavours.

Therefore Europe must follow the course based on trust and respect for the other Aryan people's 'theology'.

However, you must never let Islam/Buddhism in. Orientalism is another threat to Europe. And Jews are well in control of the Buddhist/Eastern manipulations, in the present times.

I know of an American actress called Goldie Hawn, she visits some dubious dogmatic gurus, who are perverting the Vedic philosophy, for the Jewish audience.

This is actually threatening all that remains of the Vedic Aryaverta. Since they have all the 'powers'.

I'll talk about this in another thread.

But Europe must be united in its opposition to the middle east.

Strapu
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 05:27 PM
The "chosen" part comes from the covenant of Abraham, but the coming of Christ did away with the old law. The Jews rejected Christ as the Messiah then as they reject Him now. Christ told them that the reason they could not understand His words was because they were not children of God but children of the father of all lies.
In the proposed Oxford New Testament the word "Jew" has been removed in favor of "people" to play down any reference to the influence the Jews had in the crucifixion.
The abolition of school prayer and the hype about the separation of Church and State all comes from Jews.
Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention anything about separation of Church and State. It establishes freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion, and in the 10th Amendment it states that all powers not granted to the government are granted to the States or the people themselves.
The recent Court decision to abolish "God" from the Pledge Of Allegiance was administered by two judges who were both Jews.
Does that tell you anything?

On your last question, there has been much concern lately among the Jews about intermarrying particularly with White Gentiles, and thereby diluting their gene pool.
Nazism was actually patterned after Judaism because the Germans were fascinated that a race could succeed in marrying within their own tribe for thousands of years, and the Jew has been more successful at it than any other race on the planet while promoting miscegenation for all others.



Have you read this online book here?

I haven't read it but I bookmarked the site. Thanks for the link.

cosmocreator
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 06:43 PM
To be honest, this entire christian stuff is totaly unimportant in todays world. Its a matter of LIFE and DEATH of our Race.
If some bible thumping jerks think they have to fight against their own Race, because of some artificial religious moral codex, which was born in the Sinai-Desert over 2000 years ago, then all that matters to me, is that they are just as permanently shut up, as the jews.

In the end all that counts is if THEY will rule the World and our existance as Race will be just a little footnote in some anthropology and history book, or if we manage to survive.

Christianety has changed throughout the centuries. I cant completely condemn it, because at a certain time it contributed to our national cultures. But looking at their entire record, one can only say that most of it was rotten.

The curch and this relgion is simply the most monstrous outcast of hypocracy there ver was. On one hand they tell you to hold the other cheek and on the other they go on vengefull "crusades" to exterminate entire ppl, their heritage and and religion.
How many traditions, culturs and people has the church destroyed in these 2000 years of "preaching love"?

The only reason we are not allready today a bunch of mongrelized hybrids, is that in those times and ages travel wasnt so easy.

If I look at Germany and Europe today, I see the churches and the clergy up in the front row preaching "multiculturalism" hiding niggers and other third world ravel in their churches, even if that scum (mostly dealers) is to be extradited by the Goverment.

Just look at most of our "Politcians" - Thierse, Stolpe ect. All Reds - All former protestant Pastors.

I dont give a shit if someone is christian, catholic, protestant or jew if hes against our People and Race. Enemy is Enemy and today we realy dont have the time to hold semantic discussions on details of relgious feelings and traditions!

Allready NS made the big mistake in handling these weasels in the black frock as honest brokers.
christianety is dieing. Today the church recruits more and more 3rd world countries to uphold its numbers and power. they would have no scruples in apointing a Nigger Pope one day or putting some Monkey as leading biship in Germany. Its a internationaistic Ideology, the first bolshewism ever.
there may have been some decent Priests, but they couldnt do anything against the establishment.

Strapu
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 08:08 PM
If I look at Germany and Europe today, I see the churches and the clergy up in the front row preaching "multiculturalism" hiding niggers and other third world ravel in their churches, even if that scum (mostly dealers) is to be extradited by the Goverment.

I agree, and the same is true in the United States, however there are many well meaning White people within the Christian ranks, especially in the South who would be a valuable asset to us if we can but educate them on the fallacy of the Marxist inspired doctrine of "Judeo-Christianity by showing them in no uncertain terms that the two are as far removed as the Poles.

Rahul
Friday, July 12th, 2002, 03:58 PM
Why not talk about the "Hindus" who claim to be the real Vedic Aryans and yet they find allies in the Joozies that they compare the Veda with the talmud.

Its a gross insult to our forefathers. All of these "religions" have become carriers of the semitic perversion.

Hello Wehrmacht!:)

You are right about the deserving death of these semitic multiculturalist creeds, but a lot may already have been lost, which will never be recovered.

But its imperative for Europe's Aryans to strengthen their respective nations.

Hellstar
Friday, July 12th, 2002, 04:32 PM
I pretty much agree with your sentiments Wehr,


Originally posted by Strapu


I agree, and the same is true in the United States, however there are many well meaning White people within the Christian ranks, especially in the South who would be a valuable asset to us if we can but educate them on the fallacy of the Marxist inspired doctrine of "Judeo-Christianity by showing them in no uncertain terms that the two are as far removed as the Poles.
Thanks for clearing up some things in your other post for me,

About this post. Well where do we differentiate?
I mean is it not easier to make a whole new religion category where racial pride is one of the essential pillars to lean against,

of course who should back out, when all followers of a religion mostly see them self as ideal to the religion, the problem is just this division you fulminated your self, is this a matter of top influence from above like in any other political system or is this a deeply rooted problem in each individual or both? how can you manifest your belief if they pull up numerous settings of the new and old testament? is there any end to it all?



Originally posted by Rahul
But its imperative for Europe's Aryans to strengthen their respective nations.
Yes in whatever way we can,



Early propogators of Christianity must have modelled their theology after the prevalent Aryan/Indo-European lores of the proud forefathers-the Kelts, the Norse, the Germanic and many more.
Yes there was not any other choice for them, than to sneak their own religion in through the backdoor and convert sacred myths into pollution or false settings, there are many examples hereof,



Therefore Europe must follow the course based on trust and respect for the other Aryan people's 'theology'

I dont agree, I have nothing to respect, a people from south took away my peoples grandiose enthronement.

Judson
Monday, July 15th, 2002, 11:32 PM
Hopefully I will not be misunderstood, but if Christianity is harmful to Aryan peoples, why are the Jews trying so hard to destroy it?

Remember, religion is no problem for the Jews ... any religion can be subjugated and shaped to their peculair whims, and the believer will follow and do just as he is told to do.

What has happened, I believe, is that main-line Christianity, the Catholics, Presbytarians, Anglicans, Episcapalian, etc, are slowly being infiltrated by the Jewish influence and no longer worship Jesus as the one true God. Instead morality is being taught, the good fruitful life wich enjoys sharing with his less fortunate brother, which always seems to be something from the third-world. The Jews are undermining this assembly of Christians and many even believe that the Pope is one of them in Cleric clothing.

On the other hand, the Evangelicals are fast becoming the stand-bearers for the Jewish connection in America and they wield an awsome amount of politicial and economic power in American politics. This conncetion between the latter-day Evangelicals and the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem is what propels George Bush to behave as he does concerning Israel, and he like Clinton has Jews in the most high places in the Federal government.

The Evangelicals must become aware of how hypocriticial the Jews are before they will dare to read their own Bibles and see for them-selves how their very own savior, Jesus Christ , while very much a Jew himself, did fight to reform the established Jewish religious practices, which were taught from early adaptions of the Talmud presumably, and not from the Old Testament writings.

I believe that many people already are looking for a haven from the 'Judeo-Christian' world that has emerged in the last 50 years.

Strapu
Tuesday, July 16th, 2002, 08:08 PM
The Jews are undermining this assembly of Christians and many even believe that the Pope is one of them in Cleric clothing.

I believe your assessment is correct and it is the same as mine. As for the Pope, there is no doubt that he is a Jew. His mother was a Jew and he grew up with Jews, one of which was his best friend. I have an article concerning this in the Religious Forum.
You're right that the "love thy neighbor" doctrine applies to niggers and turd world inhabitants only. If we really loved our neighbors we would be voting and making our decisions based on race, just as the niggers, jews, and turd worlders do for theirs.

davison6
Wednesday, July 24th, 2002, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Strapu
We should and must point out that the two are as opposed as it possibly can get if we hope to attract the brainwashed White Christians. If they already knew for example what is contained in the Talmud it would be easier.
You can't ignore religion for it is one of the primary tools the Jews have used to deceive our race.Talmudic education is step number one. I have occasionally used it to get at the religious types. However, it is only step number one. The "moderate" Christians will make excuses for the Talmudic faith by going on about how modern and liberal Israel is. It's hard to believe they're talking about a country where a few super orthodox rabbis routinely pull down national governments if not appeased.

davison6
Wednesday, July 24th, 2002, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Strapu
It's true that Jesus was born a Jew. Judas was born a Jew also, and so were the Pharisees who were the same as Rabbis at the time.
Christ rejected the Jews and told them they were of their father the devil and the origin of all lies. If the ministers really studied the New Testament (which the Jews are trying to censor now) they would know that the Jews defied the covenant with God under Abraham and they are not the "chosen people" they purport to be. They are the people who took responsiblity for killing Jesus Christ. You don't see many mainstream preachers even willing to acknowledge this fact publicly.
Many people don't know it, but Pope John Paul II is a Jew. His mother was Jewish also, and just look at how the Catholic Church has slid downhill under his leadership.Papal infallibility was a doctrine conceived by men to grab power in an attempt to set up the world's first universal police state (which fortunately backfired when a German monk started thinking for himself). Actually, approximately one third of the popes up to John XXIII were listed as AntiChrist in the appendix of my old Revised Edition of Ploetz's Epitome. Even before I knew about the Jewish threat, John Paul II's support of unlimited third world overbreeding, as shown by his sabotaging the UN Conference on Population in Cairo in cooperation with fundamentalist moslem clerics, makes him another AntiChrist. And yes, he's been way too cozy with Israel for my liking.

Rahul
Wednesday, July 24th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Explain this:

world's first universal police state

Is there a message in using an oxymoron?

Honestly, I don't know much about christianity or the emphaisis on associatiing values which were always there in the people before the Judeo-Chrsitianity was exported.

It has only brought about a globally-prevalent repressing ideology to the 'mankind'.

And infact, along with Islam, it has allowed, other "pagan religions" to become semitised with the usual strains of jewish logic.

Christianity And Judaism will continue to affect and afflict us forever, since its accomplishments in its 2000 year history can not be undermined. Therefore, it will always appeal to many. And that will bring influences in some way or another.

davison6
Wednesday, July 24th, 2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by Rahul
Is there a message in using an oxymoron?It's only an oxymoron when viewed purely linguistically, although I suppose I could have just as easily said "the first universal police state". Judaism was all about wresting political control from military leaders, and in their attempts to wipe out competing beliefs we have the first glimmerings of thought control, and a police state in the making. However, Judaism was very parochial in scope and could never have become a universal police state until the Romans inadvertently spread the plague by dispersing them in the diaspora. Even after that, it wasn't until the rise of Zionism that they became truly dangerous (not that they were harmless before). By late Imperial times, however, Popes and bishops were decreeing to emperors and prefects. Then, in the collapse of the Empire, the Church's political position became even stronger (although it took a dive for a while). The Church was the one entity that had similar power in every country of Christendom, and they were very aware of the advantage. By declaring the Pope infallible, they were really declaring his judgement superior to that of any temporal leader. It was purely a political move. As such it is invalid and no Catholic, myself included, is bound by it. But sheep being so placid, millions of Catholics subject themselves anyways.