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Oskorei
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 07:15 PM
When I was a kid, before mass immigration, there were still some racial types that were less common than others. I post examples of two of them here, and it would be interesting to hear opinions on their subracial influences.

The second one was more common in earlier days is my impression, and I also think that it is more common in the north.

The first one is not very common either, but I have gotten the impression that it is northern too (ignore her child, it is probably not ethnically 100% Swedish, but I think that she is).

I also think that there is a unique type from the area of Halmstad on the West Coast (not Litorid BTW, since the nose is much smaller than any Litorid. I will try to find examples of that type though).

Agrippa
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 07:31 PM
The woman looks rather Alpinoid-Lappid imo and the other type is even more problematic. If someone would have said thats an Albino Negroid, at least if only judging by this picture, I would have said possible...

Probably an extreme combination of Nordid and East Baltid traits...

Oskorei
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 07:44 PM
Thanks for the reply. I know one woman with very similar looks to the Alpinoid-Lappid, and I have always wondered about her origins. She is from a small city in the interior of the Norrland/Lappland region of northern Sweden.

Thinking about it, the child in the photo might very well be ethnicaly Swedish, could there be some Tydal at work? Of course the child is too young for proper classification, but I think I recognize the nasal shape from Tydals I know. It is very pigmented though, so I could also suspect a Roma father.

In any case, here comes another "unusual" Swede from the north, it is the celebrity Robinson-Robban from the small city Gällivare. His eyes are not commonly found here in the south.

Bismark
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 08:08 PM
Agrippa's opinion is very much in key with my own. When I saw the first woman my impression was that she appeared to have a Lappid influence, although Tydal could be possible. As for the second, wow, you've got my on that one; I think Agrippa summed it up with 'Albino Negroid', a good description.

Agrippa
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 08:27 PM
In any case, here comes another "unusual" Swede from the north, it is the celebrity Robinson-Robban from the small city Gällivare. His eyes are not commonly found here in the south.

If I would just see this pictures, I would say he's Atlantid-Atlantomediterranid.

But how this phenotypical combination came up...

Oskorei
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 08:33 PM
If I would just see this pictures, I would say he's Atlantid-Atlantomediterranid.

But how this phenotypical combination came up...
Interesting. The pictures are probably not the best, he has very dark eyes (almost black) and high cheek-bones but they are not so visible here.

Could it be a mix of Tydal and Lappoid phenotype, maybe also explaining the unusual look of the woman in the first post? (there is also a rather early Finnish presence in northern Sweden, at least from the 17th Century)

I will check the geographical distance between Tydal and Gällivare :)

Rhydderch
Saturday, March 12th, 2005, 04:11 AM
I'm inclined to think that all of them have some degree of Tydal influence.
But the woman in the first picture has other traits as well that remind me of some Russians or other easterners; it could well be a Ladogan influence.

Concerning "albino Negrid", a slightly Negroid look is I think a tendency of Tydals; they have noses somewhat broader than average for Europeans; they also have that robust facial appearance with a fairly large (and slightly prominent) mouth and full lips; the shape of the eyebrows are also similar. (I could also add that some of the features of the Tydal are also present in the Muge type, which, however, is short and delicately built). Of course, the Tydal has these features in a less exaggerated form than Negros.

Anyway, the man from Gallivare has a complexion which to me seems very Tydal. It may be something about the skin form or colour, and it's easier to recognise than to describe.
I think he also has a morphology which is Tydal influenced but not pronounced enough to make him fully Tydal, so presumably there are other influences as well.

The Blond Beast
Saturday, March 12th, 2005, 04:14 AM
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=32023

Is the above male or female? LOL!

Oskorei
Saturday, March 12th, 2005, 09:35 AM
@Wichmann: Halland is actually the region where Halmstad (mentioned in the first post) is located. I have gotten the impression that it is both culturally and physically a bit different from the rest of the country. The closest thing to a description of the distinct Halmstad-type I can give, is Alpinid. Brunette, short, and often paedomorphic, good-looking facial features.

@Rhydderch: Good point about the Ladogan possibility. Many of the villages and towns in the north have Finnish, or less often, Sami, names, so there could very well be Ladogan influences via the Finns.

Nightmare_Gbg
Saturday, March 12th, 2005, 07:06 PM
So we are different then the rest of the contry?

Oskorei
Saturday, March 12th, 2005, 10:14 PM
So we are different then the rest of the contry?
Not the average Halmstadsbo, but I think that maybe there is an Alpinid type in Halmstad too. I am at the moment looking for pictures of such individuals, but with no luck so far. Thinking about it, it could be Vallons.

Northern Paladin
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 01:56 AM
The woman looks rather Alpinoid-Lappid imo and the other type is even more problematic. If someone would have said thats an Albino Negroid, at least if only judging by this picture, I would have said possible...

Probably an extreme combination of Nordid and East Baltid traits...

I too definetly see Negroid traits in that freakish thing. :D

Northern Paladin
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 01:58 AM
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=32023

Is the above male or female? LOL!

Is question should be is the above even human. :D

Oskorei
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 11:24 AM
Is question should be is the above even human. :D Well, if the average Mayhemlistener looks like him, I am throwing away parts of my recordcollection ;)

Anyway, I did found an example of the distinct type that I suspect is found in Halmstad. Here it is. Especially note the small nose, somewhat infantile traits and brown hair (it's a lousy picture, and the fact that it's the only one I found after hours of searching through various webcommunities might indicate that there is indeed no "Halmstadtype").

Fred
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 12:34 PM
Swedish model Marcus Schenkenberg is quite atypical for a swede isn't it? He looks Atlanto-med, has brown hair and eyes.

But his full name, Marcus Lodewijk Schenkenberg van Mierop, hints a Lowland origin.

Northern Paladin
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Swedish model Marcus Schenkenberg is quite atypical for a swede isn't it? He looks Atlanto-med, has brown hair and eyes.

But his full name, Marcus Lodewijk Schenkenberg van Mierop, hints a Lowland origin.

Is that an earing I see in the first pic? :-O

Northern Paladin
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 03:23 AM
Well, if the average Mayhemlistener looks like him, I am throwing away parts of my recordcollection ;)

Anyway, I did found an example of the distinct type that I suspect is found in Halmstad. Here it is. Especially note the small nose, somewhat infantile traits and brown hair (it's a lousy picture, and the fact that it's the only one I found after hours of searching through various webcommunities might indicate that there is indeed no "Halmstadtype").

The picture isn't all that good. But the guy just looks like a Borreby type to me. I think Magnus Samuelsson has a similiar nose.

Glenlivet
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 08:08 AM
He is only uncommon as how Swedes are perceived abroad. His type is numerically small, but the percentage is rather high among upper middle/upper class Swedes in eastern Uppland. You can find quite many in the more affluent parts of Stockholm. Many have light eyes though, but dark hair. They tend to look more "western European" than the average Swede, but it is probably because they have Walloon, German, or other western European ancestry.

Peter Jöback (singer) is also fairly dark:

http://images.google.se/images?q=Peter%20J%C3%B6back&hl=sv&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi

The actor Jesper Salén (you can see him in the film Ondskan, 2003) is yet another example.

I also always wondered about Niklas Strömstedt. I read somewhere that Magnus Uggla has Jewish ancestry though.

Martin Stenmarck (see the link below) is also quite unusual. He is the guy who will represent Sweden in the Eurovision Song Context of 2005.

http://images.google.se/images?q=Martin%20Stenmarck%20&hl=sv&lr=&sa=N&tab=wi

Peter Magnusson (see the link below) is also a type that Swedes can tell apart from foreigners, but he is of course quite dark (and different from the stereotype of how a Swede should look) with dark cendré hair.

http://www.tv4.se/imagesdb/editor/Idol_2004/EC9BDAB5-F7F6-4FFF-877C-C0AF58BB0EA5.jpg

We must not forget that Megalitihic (Backman 1935 and Beckman 1959) people came to SW Sweden. It's very difficult to determine the reason behind the North-Atlantoid appearance of some individuals.

There is also a type in southern Sweden (mainly Skåne/Scania) that one can also see among Danes and western Germans. I think of the Swedish comedian Adde Malmberg (from Skåne).

http://images.google.se/images?hl=sv&lr=&q=Adde+Malmberg+&btnG=S%C3%B6k

You can compare him a bit with the gentleman in the link below:

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=32334








Swedish model Marcus Schenkenberg is quite atypical for a swede isn't it? He looks Atlanto-med, has brown hair and eyes.

Fred
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 11:26 AM
He is only uncommon as how Swedes are perceived abroad. His type is numerically small, but the percentage is rather high among upper middle/upper class Swedes in eastern Uppland. You can find quite many in the more affluent parts of Stockholm. Many have light eyes though, but dark hair. They tend to look more "western European" than the average Swede, but it is probably because they have Walloon, German, or other western European ancestry.
I always associated darker looks with iron-working, and fairer, nordic looks with farming. I think there were iron mines in Eastern uppland, that's why some people are darker there. People in the industrial districts of Glasgow in Scotland for exemple, are destinctively darker, more Atlantid.
Even Sweden, a fair population, had to import during the 17th century a darker people (walloons) to work iron. It seems there is a clear cut racial line between farmers and iron workers.

Agrippa
Monday, March 14th, 2005, 02:11 PM
Most wealthy farmers dont want to work as dependent workers in an industry.
Furthermore you need people which know their craftmanship.

So people from Wales and Walloon are just more often in such a work...

Gareth
Friday, March 25th, 2005, 09:50 PM
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/diverse_kompisar_osv/whisker.jpg
The spiky teeth tend to indicate Lappid though he isn't really a textbook example how it should be.

See:
Chapter-IX,2 of Coon's The Races of Europe and also this excerpt:
http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=35089&postcount=34

http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/diverse_kompisar_osv/en_coolare_frossman_(det_var_battre_forr ).jpg
A Borreby?

http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/storsjayran_1999/schnurrbartg.JPG
? :P

Oskorei
Friday, March 25th, 2005, 10:56 PM
Altemark is a Leftist, which partially explains why his friends look so weird ;)

Gareth
Friday, March 25th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Altemark is a Leftist, which partially explains why his friends look so weird ;)
Many are Nordic however, regardless of their political opinions (it doesn't make them better but their race not worse either). Quite a contrast to the babyfaced kiddies at snyggast.se...

http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040801_norbergfestival_2004/04_carpeople_are_cool.jpg.JPG
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040605_inflyttningschampagne_med_besok/001_pontus_i_vardagsrummet.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040801_norbergfestival_2004/53_goto80_has_got_five_on_it.jpg.JPG
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/diverse_kompisar_osv/jenny_dagistanten.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/fest_hos_pontus_vasteras_11_2003/pontus%20illustrerar%20risighet.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/storsjoyran_2001/DSCN0295.JPG
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/diverse_kompisar_osv/jonas_med_chicks_dig_unix_tshirt.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040718-arvikafestivalen_2004/60_vagvisning_2.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/diverse_kompisar_osv/kalle_von_muntergok.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040801_norbergfestival_2004/79_barbatron_fraktalis_och_old_analogue_ fox.jpg.JPG
http://www.lcp.c64.org/files/lcp2001/photos/barbatron/whizzter_och_movax.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/20040801_norbergfestival_2004/91_the_boys_are_done.jpg.JPG
http://www.lcp.c64.org/files/lcp2001/photos/barbatron/rostrakning_vid_cykelparkering.jpg
http://altemark.snoboll.net/pix/norbergfestival_2003_barbatron/altemark_jonas_och_johan_och_gubbfan.jpg
http://www.lcp.c64.org/files/lcp2001/photos/barbatron/zyron_sitter_nastan_pa_graset.jpg


I was positively surprised! :thumbsup Some individual pictures shouldn't delude the fact that Northern Europe is Nordic.