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fenriSS_
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 12:21 AM
Was just wondering about this, and are red heared people a subrace?

RedJack
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 02:38 AM
Anglo-Saxon!! :D j/k


Do you mean the most numerous?

Nordraserei
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 02:43 AM
Was just wondering about this, and are red heared people a subrace?About as much as blond haired people. :P

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 07:11 AM
Was just wondering about this, and are red heared people a subrace?

No, theyre not.

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 11:41 AM
This is one of those new threads on racial anthropology that risk to degenerate into tepid oneliners and hanging about the pub holding pseudo-intellectual discussions in a tipsy state, hence why as a precautionary measure I moved it in temporarily to the Lounge.
If within three days no serious post of educational content is supplied or the thread dies a silent death, this thread will be deleted. In case some posts turn to be interesting a new thread in the Anthropology section will be initiated, salvaging the best entries offered here and the thread starting post.

Thank you.

fenriSS_
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 12:34 PM
What is the most numerous white subrace?

Oskorei
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 01:07 PM
And what exactly is this "normal"?
I think it is a case of thinking in a Scandinavian language and writing in English. He probably means "most common".

Huzar
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM
I think it is a case of thinking in a Scandinavian language and writing in English. He probably means "most common".


I think the same (indeed the term "normal" has no sense). The most common ? numerically ? well, if this is the question, i don't know exactly. It's a very difficult question, counting that many types are mixed each other. Neo- Danubian, perhaps. (this group theorically extends itself trough poland, czech-slovakia, belarus, Russia, Ukraina and baltic states in good number).

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 01:35 PM
I think it is a case of thinking in a Scandinavian language and writing in English. He probably means "most common".

If he means which Caucasoid type is the standard for measuring how Caucasoid a population is by comparison, its someone from Sweden because Linneus used himself as an example of his race. It also means that he is the standard for our species as well.

Zrinski
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 06:32 PM
The most "normal white subrace" is the one that doesn't asks stupid questions like this...

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 07:16 PM
Is the nasal bone high and narrow? Coinciding with a sharp lower border of the nasal aperture and a depression of the naso-frontal suture right below the glabellar eminence, though not as exagerrated as in Papuans and Australian Aboriginals?
Are the browridges prominent or big but less as in Australids? Are the mastoid processes big as well?
Does some degree of mid-facial protrusion occur?
Is the head/skull breadth at least over 140mm, but more crucial, broader than the bizygomatic breadth or the forehead which may recede or be steep without bulging forward?
Is there some (pre-)lambdoid flattening?

Are the postcranial (long) bones thick, the joints large, the surface articulate?
Are the muscular markings strong?
The pelvis: is it wide?
Is the body in median plane anything else than thin-framed, even where a leptosomatic, sinewy constitution is the rule?

The questionnaire is more useful to determine what makes us distinct from non-Europids, but it would be interesting to apply it on a intraracial level.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 05:10 AM
What is the most numerous white subrace?

I'm pretty sure it's Falid.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 05:12 AM
If he means which Caucasoid type is the standard for measuring how Caucasoid a population is by comparison, its someone from Sweden because Linneus used himself as an example of his race. It also means that he is the standard for our species as well.

Aren't White and Caucasoid two different things?

morfrain_encilgar
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 08:16 AM
Aren't White and Caucasoid two different things?

White is cultural more than racial, but when people talk about white if they want to know about race, then the nearest thing is the Caucasoid subspecies.

Huzar
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 08:39 AM
White is cultural more than racial, but when people talk about white if they want to know about race, then the nearest thing is the Caucasoid subspecies.
Yes, i substantially agree. Unfortunately, this controversial discussion, still will remain among all racialist for a long time.......The REAL truth, is that Caucasian race is very, very big with all its ramifications in Europe, middle east, north africa, and Indian sub-continent. We usual associate white culture with european area; it's correct. Although there are many millions of people who could passing for white (berbers, aryan indians, anatolic turkish, pure persian iranian), but having a very "alien" culture from us. This is the problem.

Nordgau
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 06:11 PM
If he means which Caucasoid type is the standard for measuring how Caucasoid a population is by comparison, its someone from Sweden because Linneus used himself as an example of his race. It also means that he is the standard for our species as well.

If one measures "normality" with the standard of the one who introduced the word "Caucasian" for the greater "white" race of Europe, north Africa and southwest Asia, then the people of the Caucasus region are the most normal: Blumenbach made up the racial term "Caucasian", because he was impressed by and almost in love with a female skull from the Caucasus region, which he thought to be beautiful and perfect. :P


I'm pretty sure it's Falid.

I must say, I also see more and more Phalians running around the last time. :D

morfrain_encilgar
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 06:49 PM
If one measures "normality" with the standard of the one who introduced the word "Caucasian" for the greater "white" race of Europe, north Africa and southwest Asia, then the people of the Caucasus region are the most normal: Blumenbach made up the racial term "Caucasian", because he was impressed by and almost in love with a female skull from the Caucasus region, which he thought to be beautiful and perfect.

Yes, but Blumenbach didnt create the first description of what Blumenbach named Caucasoids.

Allenson
Thursday, March 3rd, 2005, 07:55 PM
Well, this thread does perhaps raise an interesting question--what is the typical Caucasoid? Or, something like Norda's "Average Faces Project"--what are the features/metrics/pigmentation of an averaged Caucasoid? If something like this were to be done it would be interesting to see what phenotype/subrace the hypothetical face would best match.

Just speaking anecdotally and off of the top of my head I can imagine such a face for the region in which I live.... Just a warning though--there will be lots of mediums in this brief description but I suppose that is what happens with an average, eh? ;)

This person would be mesocephalic (say...77-79 or so), moderately long face (87-90), the nose would be high rooted, moderately high bridged with a straight profile and a rounded and not too sharp of a tip. The mandible would lean to the deeper side of the spectrum but not excessively so. The malars would have just a wee bit of a flare--hinting a touch of facial flatness but the zygomatic ridge would be swept back enough so that facial width would be moderate and the gonial angles would be sturdy but not flaring. The eyes, of light or light mixed pigmentation, would be somewhat deeply set in orbits with a low height and brow ridges would be visible but in no way, archaic. The skin would be florid and ruddy in tone and the hair would be blond in childhood growing progressively darker through maturation, finally settling out as a medium brown.

Or something like that... ;)