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Huzar
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 11:28 PM
In what, classic alpine type differs from an UP type ? is there an correlation between the two ?

Milesian
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 11:49 PM
An Alpinid is a reduced and somewhat gracialised UP type

Wichmann
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 01:32 PM
I have also some problems to distinguish Alpine and UP, because I have grown up with Rassengünther. ;)

So could you please classify the Austrian comedian Josef Hader. He derives from the Austrian Danube valley. This type is not uncommon in South Germany.

In Günther's terms I would have classified him as predominantly Ostisch(Alpine) with some Nordic influence.

http://www.prosieben.de/imperia/md/images/show_und_comedy/quatsch_comedy_club/200_225/josef_hader_200_225_Thomas_R_Schumann_-_ProSieben.jpg


http://www.filmstills.at/images/suesser_tod/grosse/Standfotos/rauchen-joint1_37_9A.jpg



http://www.sentieriselvaggi.it/foto/Agosto/sez_04/bluemoon.jpg


http://kultur.orf.at/orfon/kultur/001227-4714/1-rudnik.gif



http://www.filmstills.at/images/silentium/hader_autofenster_gg1_pano.jpg


I think he is about 180 cm tall.
Which features are reduced?
So how would you classify him and why?

- central alpinid
- peripheral alpinid
- northern alpinid(börreby)
- subnordic
- UP (Which one?)


@ Triglav: Your opinion is highly appreciated! (honestly)

Thank you in advance. :thumbup

Huzar
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 02:09 PM
- central alpinid
- peripheral alpinid
- northern alpinid(börreby)
- subnordic
- UP (Which one?)

Thank you in advance. :thumbup[/QUOTE]
To be honest i'm not a great observer, though i can give you some general precisations on the subject :

The U.P. type, is constituted essentially by 2 types : BORREBY and BRUNN ; The first has a brachicepahlic index, the second instead, has a long skull, and often has a dolico-index. Borreby, is also called "northern alpinid"(although i'm uncertain about this last definition) and is a sort of "unreduced" alpinid. It means some substantial differences : the height is distinctly tall, the dody stucture is much more heavy, and the face is more "squared" than "roundish", combined to a notable depigmentation. The Borreby type has almost all the traits of alpine type, differing for the doubled size/stature and the notable depigmentation.
In conclusion the definitions "U.P." , "north alpinid", and Borreby, could indicate the SAME thing (i think). Personally i don't know if the alpinid type is considered nordic. In my opinion the answer is no. (Except north-alpinid/Borreby element). Sub-nordic is a fusion between pure nordic type and pure alpinid type and is considered peripheral nordid.