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Betman
Tuesday, February 15th, 2005, 08:39 PM
It is a long time that I am trying to find some Bavarian sound examples (I mean Tonbeispiele).I haven't still found what I wanted.I want them to be long so I can find language's atmosphere.There are some samples in the web,but none of them could help me.For example:


Gernot Feichtl (http://www.gernotfeichtl.de/)'s bavarian songs




{All of them are songs and not normal speakings,on the other hand I don't like his singing style}






Yale universitie (http://mailer.fsu.edu/~weadolph/courses/phon/dialekte.html)'s page for continental german dialects




{These sound examples are very good,but good for comparing dialects,and not for finding their atmosphere(can I use the word atmosphere here?).People from different dialects are reading a written text,so these examples are not sample conversations.}






There are also many short examples for usefull phrases in Oktoberfest.I don't want such things.




www..Dialekt.ch (http://www..Dialekt.ch) is the best site (much better than my imagination) for recognizing [to become familiar with] Alemannish language,or Radio Bremen (http://www.radiobremen.de/online/platt/kurs/)'s site for low saxon and there is a good site for learning frisian (http://www.geocities.com/ekfrysk/) with many audio examples.Can someone help me to find such things for other dialects specially Bavarian?If you speak Bavarian please record your voice and send it to me via E-mail.If you decided to help tell me.I would give you my address later.I realy want to become familiar to this dialect.







Every thing about Bavaria would be intresting for me;pics,web sites about the state,fairy tales,cultural matterials,web sites which write in bavarian,...








Pardon for my english.

Betman
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 05:39 PM
No one speaks bavarian here?

Q.
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 07:01 PM
Griaß di...
I do, a least very much. My parents , true Bavarians themselves, missed to teach me to speak "Mundart". They thought it would be better if I´d be reared with High-German. But still living in Bavaria I learned enough to speak it fluently.
My generation is probably the last one, that will receive the chance to learn the Bavarian "Mundart". sad...

Concerning your requests:
Maybe you´d like "Gerhard Polt". He´s a comedian, who entirely speaks Bavarian. I can send you a mp3, if you´re interested.

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~naeser/dial-aud.htm
if this helps you...

http://www.andechs.de/panorama_2001.html

If you want more just ask.

Servus
D.

Betman
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Thank you ,thank you ,thank you very much.


Concerning your requests:
Maybe you´d like "Gerhard Polt". He´s a comedian, who entirely speaks Bavarian. I can send you a mp3, if you´re interested.
If you want more just ask.Yes surely I would ask for more.I want as much as possible.Can you send me your voice?


My parents , true Bavarians themselves, missed to teach me to speak "Mundart". They thought it would be better if I´d be reared with High-German.
Why they thought it would be better?A German is a Bavarian,Saxon,Frisian,Frank,... first and then a German.Without being Bavarian,you won't be a German completly.


But still living in Bavaria I learned enough to speak it fluently.Very good.


My generation is probably the last one, that will receive the chance to learn the Bavarian "Mundart". sad...
Realy?Why?I thought people (including children) speak Bavarian in Bavaria and Austria.What about other dialects?


I have heard all of those "Du bist noch nicht groß genug"s which can be found in web,but I think they are not good as Mundart introduction.

I sent you a PM.Did you receive it?

Again thanks for reply.:)

Q.
Monday, February 21st, 2005, 03:08 PM
Can you send me your voice?
I really would, but I´m not able to record it and then send it via the internet.
Im sorry!


Realy?Why?I thought people (including children) speak Bavarian in Bavaria and Austria.What about other dialect
I think it applies to all German dialects and later on even to the whole German language, that they´ll die off alltogether. This derives from the factor, that Germany is more or less a very rich country in the Western world, where people nowadays think, when they rear their children, that those will have better chances to get a good job if they speak High-German and even better if English. That´s what my parents thought too.
Another factor enabling this degeneration of first dialects and later on of the whole German language is this inferiority complex, deriving from the Allied and Zionist Propaganda carried out after WWII, that many (actually about 70 %) Germans still have. And nowadays it´s getting even worse.


Again thanks for reply.
No problem
May i kindly ask you, where you come from and why you are so interested in German dialects?

And here is a poem in the Bavarian "Mundart"
It has a pre-christmas background though, it was the first one I found on the internet.

Eine Adventsgeschichte

I woass net, ob dö G'schicht ihr kennt,
sie hat sich ab'gspielt im Advent.
I les euch vor, weils mir fallt ei,
d'Leut sog'n, dös soll wahr g'wen sein.


Da is a alts Muatterl gwesen,
alloa in ihra Stub'n drinn gsessn,
und hat sich so Gedank'n g'macht
was s'Christkind früher ihr hat bracht.
Ja ja, hat's gsagt, dös war'n no Zeit'n
da kunnt ma allerhand bestreit'n
jetzt bin i arm und alt dazua
und hab a kaum zum Essen gnua.


Wia's so da sitzt und überlegt,
hat sie sich einen Plan ausgheckt.
S'Christkind beschenkt doch alle Leit,
jedes Jahr zur Weihnachtszeit,
wia war's, wenn i eam schreib'n tät,
daß i a große Bitt no hätt.


Vielleicht macht's mir no de Freid,
grad heuer in der Weihnachtszeit.
Sie holt sich Bleistift und Papier
aus der Schublad schnell herfür.
Setzt sich an den Tisch sodann
und fangt wia folgt zu schreiben an:


Liebes Christkind, schreibt's mit'm Stift
auf das Papier als Überschrift.
Du bist allmächtig und sehr stark,
schick mir doch bitte 100 Mark!
Erfüll die Bitte einer Armen,
i wünsch an Mantel mir, an warmen.
Wann i dös Geld hätt, war dös schee,
kannt i zum Mantel kaufa geh.
I brauch'n wirklich schon sehr bald,
denn drauss'n ist es bitterkalt.
Hochachtungsvoll hat sie zuletzt
vor ihrem Namen druntergesetzt.


Den Briefumschlag hat's ungeniert
an das Christkind adressiert.
Den Absender auf d'andere Seit,
dös war von großer Wichtigkeit.
Sie tuat den Brieaf in Umschlag nei
und is zum Kast'n grennt a glei.
Nachdem dös alles war gescheh'n,
sah man sie froh nach Hause gehn.


Der Postler von dem Postamt acht
hat koane schlechten Augen g'macht.
So momentan is baff er g'wen,
wia er den Brieaf ans Christkind g'segn.
Des is eam ja no nia passiert,
a Brieaf an's Christkind adressiert.
Er hat sehr lange nachgedacht
und dann den Umschlag aufgemacht.
Als er den Inhalt überblickt,
den Brieaf er an's Finanzamt schickt.


Der Beamte von dera Stell
Öffnet den Brieaf sehr schnell.
Nachdem dös Schreib'n er durchgeles'n
war der Fall ihm klar gewes'n:


Man muaß ihr helfn, des is g'wiß,
schon deshalb, weil bald Weihnacht' is.
Die Kollegen von sei'm Amt,
haben mitg'macht allesamt.
Er braucht da gar net lang zu frag'n
jeder hat was beigetrag'n.
Und wias am Schluß dann festgstellt ham,
war'n 63 Mark beisamm.
Den Betrag nun ganz genau
überwies'n sie der alten Frau.


Die Freud vom Muatterl war sehr groß
darüber Tränen sie vergoß.
Jetzt konnte sie den Mantel kaufn
und braucht nicht mehr ohne lauf'n,
und aus innerer Dankespflicht
hats's no an Brieaf an's Christkind g'richt.
Dös hat sie sich net nemma lass'n,
sie schrieb daher folgendermaßn:

Für die hundert Mark dank' i' dir,
du hast da sehr geholf'n mir.
Doch wenn i'wieder um Geld dich bitt,
so schick mir's doch über's Finanzamt nit,
mit dene is des fei a Gfrett,
solche Lump'n trau i net,
von dene 100 Mark, s'is net derlog'n,
hams 37ge abgezogn

Oberbayern:
http://www.br-online.de/cgi-bin/ravi.pl?v=video/&g2=1&f=ll_dialekte_oberniederbayern-5_v.rm

http://www.br-online.de/cgi-bin/ravi.pl?v=video/&g2=1&f=ll_dialekte_oberniederbayern-4_v.rm

Bayerisch Schwaben:
http://www.br-online.de/cgi-bin/ravi.pl?v=video/&g2=1&f=ll_dialekte_schwaben-1_v.rm

Are you interested in the East-Suebian dialect, spoken in Augsburg (Western Bavaria)? I´ve got a whole CD with a bit exaggerated, but still very good lections about the Augsburger Dialect on it? If you don´t mind, that the dialect is exaggerated I can provide you with some Eastern-German Telephone-jokes, in which one is able to hear the mentiones dialect very good indeed.

Gruß
D.

Nordgau
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 03:10 AM
A standard classic work, which I can recommond very much, is Ludwig Merkle's Bairische Grammatik. Many dialect books are rather superficial and "funny" collections of words and phrases; Merkle's book however is really scientifically demanding liguistics, though also certainly well and witty written. :)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/3865200788.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Betman
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 12:47 PM
I think it applies to all German dialects and later on even to the whole German language, that they´ll die off alltogether. This derives from the factor, that Germany is more or less a very rich country in the Western world, where people nowadays think, when they rear their children, that those will have better chances to get a good job if they speak High-German and even better if English. That´s what my parents thought too.
Another factor enabling this degeneration of first dialects and later on of the whole German language is this inferiority complex, deriving from the Allied and Zionist Propaganda carried out after WWII, that many (actually about 70 %) Germans still have. And nowadays it´s getting even worse.


No problem
May i kindly ask you, where you come from and why you are so interested in German dialects?


First of all,I am realy sorry for this delay.

The answer of your question is a long story,,,



“Germanophils”



I am persian.Maybe you think it's strange ;I tell you it is not.Just look at number of Rammstein fans in asia and south America and russia or Mexico,Or growing number of people who try to learn German,just because of their love to Germany,Or large number of Welcomers to German national football team when they came to Iran.Germans have(had) characteristics that many people admire.

{It is hard for me to express my minds in English,I give you a mixture of them and wish you understand and get your answer.}



“Nationalism”


Since I was a child,nationalism meant nothing for me.I didn't know why I am condemned to love a nation which I have been borne there,when there are more adorable nations in world.At first (as a child) I was interested to germany(even those times I knew that german culture is something beyond other cultures),then it changed to love and then to something more than love.My father and some of my friends,laughed at me for this.
Let me explain more about love to a nation(Volk),,



“Nation”


I think a nation is a mould that colony of human beings(who live in a part of earth with close language and national,personal and preferably racial characteristics, --which can be known from other nations by these characteristics--) live in it.For example a nation like german nation is surrounded by supposed borders.These borders show a nation with certain characteristics like progressiveness,strong will,ability of organization,creatorship,high intelligence,perseverance,accuracy,good order,discipline,loyalty,cruelty,honesty ,bravery,Herrschaft,... and related languages.I mean Austria,Switzerland,Germany,Netherlands and belgium and german parts of Scandinavia(Denmark,Sweden,Norway) and other small countries,without effect of English and french (of Latin) shit.



“A good Nation”


At first we need a scale,,In a Nation ,people should cooperate in harmonious systems in a way that different wills of parts of society reach their aims-aims which are in a natural,rational and certain direction-without foolish inconveniences.With this scale we can compare different nations.A nation which in it wills reach aims faster and aims are more rational is superior to a nation which in it wills drown in swamp of foolishnes and lies(for example todays’ Iran),or a nation that can't find rational aims(eastern Asians).I think the final aim of a civilization is geting out of swamp of lies and trying to find the truth.
Now we can compare Germans (including scandinavians and dutchmen) to other nations.At first look you see in all fields that germans have entered they were No. one with a long distance to others.For example arts(painting,architecture and holly(Classical) music),philosophy,...,and in war Germans fought six years against the whole world.Even in sport fields (Schwarzenegger,Effenberg,Maier,Kahn,Sch umacher,Becker,Beerbaum,Graf,...).So and so germans are the best ones in different fields.I have heard
that Germans are not the only ones who have achieved something in history,But every body knows that other nations were not able to achieve something even close to those that germans have achieved.Such a philosophy,strength,music or sience in a history full of wars and repetedly destructions.They should be different from others,They are superior.I go so far to say they were from another world and dimention.




“70% foolish’”


{As far as I know Rammstein’s “Los” (album “Reise Reise”) is about this sense of inferiority.}

But here we should remember that most germans are not worth to be german.You said 70% and I agree completly.Most germans are germanophobe anti-german worms.They prefer not to be German(not to be masters)(exactly like Germans of pensilvania and german lands out of German borders),yesterday they wanted to be french and now that frenchs are retired they want to be american.They don't know what they want;Being modern?Strong?Masters of the world?No;they prefer to be nothing more than american worms.They prefer (choose) american shit to German Edelstein.They cann't even think about uniting germany and Austria or anexing Elsas-Luthringen to germany.But greatest men of germany,those who have glorified the german sprit and the world knows german culture by their names(Nietzche,Goethe,Brahms,Schumann and even Fuehrer and...) Hated this 70% fools.This 70% were treacherous to Fuehrer who made germans proud and martyrs who fought for germany ,during and after war.[Compare Germans with a japanese;Japanese is not so treacherous to their martyrs.Why?],,Allies raped their women, killed their brothers in war prisons,burned their children in bombardments, destroyed their cultural cities and buildings,and they only bend down and beg allies to accept their apologize for being so naughty during war.These worms should be punished.
It also applies to other nations.Most people prefer "Knechtschaft" to "Herrschaft".For example only less than 20% of jews are good jews, specially those who prefer not to be a jewish worm.




“Allies”


You said allies;who were these allies?Just a large horde of hyenas who defeated a lion or like 10 tribes of neanderthal allies who defeated a human horde or somthing like that.It dosen't mean that humans are inferior to Neanderthals.JAFs (Jewish,American and French worms),don't have their own adorable culture or race.They only destroy other cultures,for example Asian cultures and worst of all German culture.They destroy variety of different humans and cultures in the name of globalization.They destroy all valuable things.Some of those things can't be rebuilt .These viruses don't have a future.They only destroy.If mankind wants to have a future should sweep these anti-humans in to fire.A nation that has a future makes a better world for its next generations but JAFs only destroyed the world and values.
I think Germans followed a wrong way in second “Germanoworld” war.Expansion to east had to stop in Poland in borders of Russia. I think Russians could be Aryan brothers of germany,not an enemy of germany.I think Germans had to expand in west (france) and south-east (Balkan).Please don’t tell me about greatness of French culture. France is just a name,nothing more.I still don’t know what is so adorable in French anti-culture.French beauty smells like French shit.Jews’ slave Americans are now playing the same role in world that retired Frenchworms played in europa yesterday.They are both anti culture.But England is different from others.If one day Jews’ slave Englishmen decided to get out of jewish domination,they can be good brother nations with Germans.




“Future”


Don't wory about future...What is future?
Imagine you are walking a path to reach an aim,but you can't reach that aim before your death,So you try to help other humans (specialy youngers from the next generation) to start passing this way from where you have finished.you hope that other humans of the next generation live in a world better than the world which you have lived in;because they should be able to reach those aims that you couldn't reach.(So you try to make a better world for them)So we know that there is a reason that people breed .Upon this reason,the next generation must be superior to last generation.
I think human kind has three aims now:
· Protecting those things that we still don't know why should be protected,for example nature and earth,art works and historical places and variety of humans.
· Selecting the best elements of each nation to breed and make children and forbiding poor elements to breed.We can use science of genetics for this as soon as possible.In this way variety of human kind remains but inferiority means nothing that time.
· trying to find the truth,by scince and philosophy.Lying is forbidden.

Germans with their adorable loyality to truth were the only nation who followed this pattern.And JAFs (Jew,Angloamerican,and retired Frenchwormes),they only destroy valuable things (and Earth & cultures)for meanest reasons.In this way no thing remains for next generation.

Without Germans there would be no future for humans.I cann't imagine a world without Germans(continental and scandinavian).So don't worry about death of Germany (German sprite and living way in general).If human isn't worth to have a future,it is better not to have it.For a human that has a reason to breed German masters are future .Because german way of life is loyalty to truth,but worms are always lying and trying to hide the truth.

When in a system slaves sit on the masters' sit after a while the whole system whould destroy.JAFs were not worth and were not able to rule the world like masters,this is why the world is becoming anihilated now.There is two possibilities:
1. German sprite dies,Viruses stay alive,they complete destroying process and then whole world dies.there is no future for human kind.
2. Germans awake,Punish’ and destroy worms,stop annihilating process and rule and rebuild the world hand in hand by other nations.

Even if german civilization was dying now,love to germany would never die in sprits of people of many countries.This is why Germans would remain.

if worms are not worth to protect german culture,they should accept their final fate,corrupt and anihilation.

Our world has a lock to paradise and germans are its key.(there is an other lock to hell and JAFs have opened it.).German civilization is the only hope to rescue the earth and therefore human kind from complete destruction.I prefer to think that now Germany is like an asleep volcano and today or tomorrow is going to erupt and this eruption burns all American,French and Jewish worms in to ash.They cann't escape from this fate.

As long as people live in nation cages,Germans are masters of these nations.I wish one day people come out of this cages and hand in hand make a normal world,much more beautiful than this JAFish hell.

I am sure that it is not too late for german culture.But there are three aims that should be followed:

1. Making language pure from foreign words
2. Making the nation racially pure
3. Returning variety to german sub-cultures.(Fortunately all “Mundarts” [even Prussian and Pomeranian and eastern dialects] are well documented.)




“Why I’m so interested in Mundarts”


“Mixture of lies”

If you take a small part from a working system,you should change the whole system if you want that system work any more.The same thing happens when you are describing a social system.If you lie about one thing you should lie about all parts of this system.Without this series of lies every body knows that you have lied.

At first you see a splendid nation with a beautiful harmony from platt north to hoch south.With completely German dialects and cultures.You know that they are all german and magnificent.They are united culturaly.And they are extremely strong when they are united.Then you decide to know them better.You start by english or american books or sites and encyclopedias.

English worms have made a series of these lies to hide greatness of German culture and history and trying to destroy union of germans.

At first I tried to believe in these Anglo-American cock and bull stories.

JAFish propaganda drives our minds into a mixture of lies about race and culture and history of continental germans.Upon these bullshits they learn us that germans (of BRD) are not a nation exactly;they are a mix of different nations with many differences and nothing can unite these nations.They speak of jungle of german dialects with completely different elements that are not intelligible to each other.They say that English is a standard for germanICs and germans must be compared to England to determine how GermanIC they are(What a good standard! A standard with more than 60% Latin vocabulary).So plats are first class Germanics because they are closer to this ridiculous standard.They make stories about how English is Frisian.On the other hand they make stories about how none-GermanIC is south because they are Latinized and their race is dinarid or alpinid or med. This is why their language is different from platts(Second sound shift).They say Germans of BRD are bad and stupid because of their high german language.But here Switzerland should be excepted.Because they are good germans ;and they are completely GermanIC because they say ”Us” instead of “Aus”.{They also weren’t pure (nordid-faelid) racially,and their language was “Highest Allemanish”.But they weren’t stupid or second class because they were good friends with English’s}.Before GWW2(second Germano-world war) they had made a completely different story.They said that Northerns (Prussians) were bad and void of culture and southerns (Bavarians) were cultured.At this time Hollanders were excepted.After war platts became close to England and cultured and Hochs became arrears.On the other hand east states become Slavic and none-german.These series of lies makes me confused.

So a nation with about 60% non-german vocabulary is more germanIC than a 100% pure german culture and language nation.

After this I decided to become familiar with german languages and compare them with the German identity (My definition of being german.). Because language is the best representative of a culture.

“Truth is…”

At first I started by nether Frankish(Dutch) and compared it with high (standard) german.I saw there is not any significant difference between two sister languages.Then I tried to become familiar with Platt Deutsch.It was also very close to Standard german.They all were completely German.Then I went to learn a little of Scandinavian languages.I go so far to say that they were even more german than todays’ germans of BRD.So and so I became familiar with Allemanish language.It was very melodic and very beautiful.It wasn’t Latinized as JAFs say.They all were completely german.And now I wanted to become familiar with Bavarian.

I saw that with my definition of being german south is completely german and on the other hand a large number of greatest germans (those who we know german culture by their name) and german cultural cities were southern.Both Siemens and BMW (with it’s blue and white sign),symbols of German Industry, are Bavarian. Then if north is more german than south how can it be close to none-german England?

As I said Englishs have made stories about how English is Frisian.If they are so pure German how can they be also close to Englishs?How can they be both German and None-German(English)?How do they calcify them in a group with englishs and not platt germans?Frisians,inhabitants of small islands and coasts with les than one million inhabitants are so important because their language is close to 35% of Englishs(this funny GermanIC Standard).

All german languages (Continental or Scandinavian) have changed in a german way;not dinarid,not med,not latin and not Slavic.{But Englishs didn’t.They followed an English way.}They all have saved their german characteristics.Race didn’t play the main role in Hoch cultures.A large number of greatest men of germany weren’t racially pure (nordid or faelid).Both Hochs and plats are pure german cultures with pure german languages.So race and nearness to Latins is not the reason of difference between plats and hochs ,this difference (second sound shift) started from Germans(Lombards).From an observer’s sight Germans(Continental and Scandinavian) are a nation completely different from englishs.They are a nation with close characteristics in contrast with Englishs,Latins,Slaves,Finns and Magyars.

If Germans are so different for each other (varieties) then what is German sprit that made them united and extremely strong in all fields(Arts, Literature,Philosophy,war,…)? Variety of cultures has made germany(german countries) great.Without this,Germany was just a great canton like America.

Truth is simple.English anti-Germans(JAFs in general) always try to cause disunion between Germans.One day by north&south story and the other day by east&west.They don’t even accept union of Germans of BRD.



“GermanIC”


Imagine you have a set of red colores,some are dark reds and some are light red,but all of them are red.This red set is:

Reds={ Ra1, Ra2, Ra3, Ra4; Rb1,Rb2, Rb3, Rb4}

Then you get one measure of Ra4 and add two measure Blue to it.This new color is not red and is not blue,it is violet.Then you add it to Reds set and call the new set “RedICs”.

RedICs=Reds+Violet http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=38462&stc=1&d=1124717349

This new set is no more the set of “of the same colors”.Because a color with 60% none-red element is a member of this set.This set is a useless (good for nothing) set.On the other hand no one cares that eight members of this group have a common particular and can be in a set like “Reds”.You think that common parts between ALL members is only 30% and with this percent you can’t form a creditable set.

I mean common particular of “RedICs” is having about 30% red color and with this particular members can’t form a meaningful set like “Reds”.

Story of Germans and GermanICs is exactly like story of Reds and RedICs.

Now GermanICs are Germans+Englishs

“When you use this word:”

&#183; In this new set their common characteristics is no more 90% sincerity(as it was so between All germans <<Scandis & Contins>>)Now 30% sincerity is also acceptable.

&#183; Now common part between ALL members is only 30%,not more.

&#183; GermanICs can’t be under one rule,so they can’t organize a country.With 30% resemblance they can’t form a country.

&#183; These new borders(GermanIC borders) are unimportant borders(second class borders).Its inhabitants have no reason to unite.GermanICs can’t unite.They live in separate countries not separate states.

&#183; Can Scands and Contins(Scandinavians & Continentals) be under one rule?They say “no,they are also different because they are GermanICs and GermanICs can’t be under one rule,because they are not close enough.They are so different.”>>No one notices that they are so close to each other culturally that allows them to form a big German country.<<

&#183; Are Scands German?They say no.Germans are just inhabitants of BRD.Let us know who are Germans:

&#183; {Who are Germans(an anonymous nation)
They had no name before different nations called them by different names.Some call them German.Slaves call them dumb,some called them by the name of a tribe,for example Finns call them saxon and frenchs call them Allemanish.Some of germans have saved their tribe name,I mean Scandinavians.Some are called by place name (Netherland>>englischs call them DUTCH<<,Switzerland,Austria).Some of them call themselves Deutsch (Folkish(?) opposite of welsch).
This name is the best name to call ALL germans. Deutsch=Teuton=German.}


&#183; People think that difference between Contins & Scands is the same as difference between Scands and englishs.So they (Scands) can’t unite with germans as englishs couldn’t.

&#183; Since union with Anglo-Americans is impossible other germanICs do not unite either.

since you can’t rule germans and englishs under one government (can’t unite with them to make country) idea of a pan-German country disappears.No one notices that englishs are not german.

Please read this text:

Im Folgenden, also, differenziere ich &#252;berhaupt nicht nach politisch-nationalen Gesichtspunkten, was mich doch hoffentlich nicht zum "Alldeutschen" oder Pan-Germanen deutsch-nationalistischer Pr&#228;gung, etwa aus der zweiten H&#228;lfte des 19. Jahrhunderts[!!], stempeln wird. Mir sind solche Unterscheidungen v&#246;llig Schnuppe. Die Tatsache, da&#223; die folgenden Beispiele aus verschiedenen Nationen kommen st&#246;rt mich nicht im Geringsten. Ob sie aus &#214;sterreich oder Frankreich, aus der Schweiz oder aus den Niederlanden, Belgien, Luxemburg, D&#228;nemark, usw., usw. stammen, spielt f&#252;r mich &#252;berhaupt keine Rolle. Wenn ich k&#246;nnte, w&#252;rde ich am liebsten das Wort "Deutsch" durch das Wort "Germanisch" ersetzen; das einzige Problem damit ist dann, da&#223; ich dann die Karte erweitern m&#252;&#223;te, und sowohl das ganze Skandinavien als auch Gro&#223;britannien, Nordamerika, Australien, Indien, und gr&#246;&#223;ere Teile Afrikas hinzuf&#252;gen m&#252;&#223;te, was nicht meiner Absicht, bzw. auch nicht meinen Mitteln und F&#228;higkeiten, entspricht.


A.J. Niesz, Ph.D., Yale University


Look how he plays with these words : Deutsch and Germanisch.When he says Germanisch he means Scandinavia, Britain, North America, Australia, India, and big parts of Africa.Since these countries can’t unite,Idea of a pan-german country disappears,No one notes that Scandinavians and continental CAN unite.[sorry if I translated wrong]


“Truth is:”


&#183; Difference between Contins and englishs is not the same as difference between Contins & Scands.


&#183; They can unite because they all have saved their German characteristics.

&#183; Separate from effect of JAFish corruption they all have a german identity which has roots back in ancient Germans era and even ancient Aryans era.

&#183; English history starts from Norman invasion not German (Anglo-saxon) invasion.

&#183; All German languages have a little gross.If this gross be omitted german identity (origin) would be better visible.But if you omit latin part from English this new language is not English and not german.It is a defective language that is different from german languages (even Frisian).Because this language has not changed in a german way.It has developed in an English way(different from German or Latin way).You can’t change English latin words with German (Anglo-saxon) words.If you do,this new language is no more English.On the other hand if you omit none-latin part from English,new language is not latin either.

&#183; GermanIC is a magic word for anti germans.Can germans unite?No what is the real reason?Because they are extremely strong when they are united and JAFs are afraid of their power.Can [Contins& Scands] unite?They say No they are so different,they are GermannICs and GermanICs do not unite.

&#183; Germans can unite in something like an empire (or something like United States of Germany).

&#183; Those englishs who call themselves Germanic are the same as Iranians who try to call themselves Aryan.They don’t accept that their history starts from Arab invasion not Aryans era.

&#183; I think this name (GermanIC) is invented for two reasons(satisfies two groups).

1. Englishs who want to have a history longer than Norman invasions time and are enchanted in Germans’ culture.
2. Anti-Pan Germanists who act against union of Germans.

&#183; First group are enchanted in magnificence of German cultures.But when they enter themselves in this set,set looses its beauty and greatness.This is like mixing a glass of milk with a little shit.This new electuary is not milk,It is milkIC!This new set is no more that set which those englishs admire.On the other hand they can’t make themselves “Anglo-Saxon”(German).If they do they loose their one thousand years identity.

They are like Persians who want to connect their inferior modern anti-culture with magnificent culture of Aryans.If that era was magnificent they destroy its greatness by this connection.
In this way an inferior anti-culture introduces itself as a result of an ancient superior culture.Those englishs who admire german culture,at first must accept that they are inferior to this culture.

&#183; These slaves of jews don’t remember that they fought six years for jews against germans.It is very easy to call yourself Germanic,But it doesn’t mean that you are german.I know that English is a beautiful language and as I said before after jewish slavery they can be good brother nations with Germans.



“My questions are…”



1. How old is modern Bavarian?(For exmple did Mozart speak Bavarian?
2. Is variety of dialects saved? Are there still many dialects?
3. How are they (Mundarts) documented?
4. When (-1) sound shift occurred?(I mean P to B,T to D,B to W,…)
5. When I compare old sound examples (about 1958) with new ones it seems that olders speak stronger and more melodic.Am I right?(I have attached 3 old examples down)
6. Did fuehrer speak with a Bavarian accent?(Here (http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/biografien/HitlerAdolf/) you can find his voice.)


Sorry if I confused you.I couldn’t explain better than this.





Are you interested in the East-Suebian dialect, spoken in Augsburg (Western Bavaria)? I&#180;ve got a whole CD with a bit exaggerated, but still very good lections about the Augsburger Dialect on it? If you don&#180;t mind, that the dialect is exaggerated I can provide you with some Eastern-German Telephone-jokes, in which one is able to hear the mentiones dialect very good indeed.

Gru&#223;
D.

Dear Fael,thanks alot for that beautiful sing and those links.Why do you ask "are you interested...?"?I would beg for them.Again thanks for help.

Betman
Monday, August 22nd, 2005, 03:08 PM
Well, here is some stuff that may be of help for now ( a lot of it is in German, but contains sound samples, words & phrases, pictures etc)

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=17697
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=23801
http://www.proka.de/start.htm?/extras/divers/bayern/allgem/bay_spra.htm
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bairisch-%C3%96sterreichische_Sprache
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialekte_in_Bayern
http://www.bayrisch-lernen.de/
http://www.planet-interkom.de/schneiderbauer/bayrisch.htm
http://www.elkeswelt.de/sprachschatz/bayerisch/
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/app/695/14681/
http://www.hausarbeiten.de/rd/archiv/linguistik/ling-bairisch/ling-bairisch.shtml
http://www.langenscheidt.de/deutsch/aktuelles/highlights/wiesn/index2.html
http://www.philhist.uni-augsburg.de/lehrstuehle/germanistik/sprachwissenschaft/projekte/kbsa/
http://www.bwb.badw.de/wb_bay_fr.htm
http://www.bayernkulturig.de/
http://www.wwws.de/kultur/bayer__sprache.htm

Thanks a lot for these useful and valuable links.
http://www.bayerische-sprache.de/ (http://www.bayerische-sprache.de/)
I have seen this site,unfortunately most links to those sites which contain sound examples do not work.


A standard classic work, which I can recommond very much, is Ludwig Merkle's Bairische Grammatik. Many dialect books are rather superficial and "funny" collections of words and phrases; Merkle's book however is really scientifically demanding liguistics, though also certainly well and witty written. :)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/3865200788.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpgThanks for help but here in Iran I can't buy this book.Can you post it to me (for free)?

Q.
Saturday, September 3rd, 2005, 05:26 PM
I'm sorry, that my answer, due to deferment, did not come to you immediately! But nonetheless I'll go through your huge post gradually, stating my assertions and ideas, whether you are right to contend so -at a special point-, then you can affiliate my plaudits , or if the particularity of some of your dicta is rather peculiar, thus they require commentation or correction.


I am persian.Maybe you think it's strange
No, ought I to do so?


Or growing number of people who try to learn German,just because of their love to Germany,
True, but I, as a German, would, discourage anyone from doing so, if he's either not wholly convinced or if it is evident, that the affected person neither has the capability to achieve prosperous results or is, obviously, not willing to do so.


nce I was a child,nationalism meant nothing for me.I didn't know why I am condemned to love a nation which I have been borne there,when there are more adorable nations in world.At first (as a child) I was interested to germany(even those times I knew that german culture is something beyond other cultures),then it changed to love and then to something more than love.My father and some of my friends,laughed at me for this.
Let me explain more about love to a nation(Volk),,
Yes German culture at its pinnacle was great and its grandeur showed off; but the desolate and cheerless remnants, that we are living in right now, when we see the last glance of former immaculateness being buried, evoke defeatism and smites the anxious, but still pious, heart of the pervading, remaining -true- Germans, still sincere, and right in their stance.


I think a nation is a mould that colony of human beings(who live in a part of earth with close language and national,personal and preferably racial characteristics, --which can be known from other nations by these characteristics--) live in it.For example a nation like german nation is surrounded by supposed borders.These borders show a nation with certain characteristics like progressiveness,strong will,ability of organization,creatorship,high intelligence,perseverance,accuracy,good order,discipline,loyalty,cruelty,honesty ,bravery,Herrschaft,... and related languages.I mean Austria,Switzerland,Germany,Netherlands and belgium and german parts of Scandinavia(Denmark,Sweden,Norway) and other small countries,without effect of English and french (of Latin) shit.
too idealistic and too grand for nowadays Germans...:~(


in all fields that germans have entered they were No. one with a long distance to others.For example arts(painting,architecture and holly(Classical) music),philosophy,...,and in war Germans fought six years against the whole world.Even in sport fields (Schwarzenegger,Effenberg,Maier,Kahn,Sch umacher,Becker,Beerbaum,Graf,...).So and so germans are the best ones in different fields.I have heard
doubtless, but I would have excepted the "sports" example; they are not that great, especially those footballers you numerate in your proposition.:D
Don't mention Schumacher...;)


But here we should remember that most germans are not worth to be german.You said 70% and I agree completly.Most germans are germanophobe anti-german worms
Sad, but rather true, this is.


No;they prefer to be nothing more than american worms.They prefer (choose) american shit to German Edelstein.
*giggle*:thumbup


Without Germans there would be no future for humans.I cann't imagine a world without Germans(continental and scandinavian).So don't worry about death of Germany (German sprite and living way in general).If human isn't worth to have a future,it is better not to have it.For a human that has a reason to breed German masters are future .Because german way of life is loyalty to truth,but worms are always lying and trying to hide the truth.
I concur; Germany is, in my opinion, healthy enough to secure and invigorate a future and succeed with doing so. Our diluted spirit of today may not sustain and endure long enough, to fully eradicate the rigor of ancient Germanicness, that still gleams through, even in nowadays retarded,vernacular Germans.

For a while;
Gruß
Q.

Q.
Sunday, September 4th, 2005, 10:40 AM
continuation:


I am sure that it is not too late for german culture.But there are three aims that should be followed:
I assent to this; but nonetheless the process will demand several gradated steps, in order to restore, what took minor damage, and to recreate and restitute, what was jeopardised irreparably by the "democratic saviours".


1. Making language pure from foreign words
2. Making the nation racially pure
3. Returning variety to german sub-cultures.(Fortunately all “Mundarts” [even Prussian and Pomeranian and eastern dialects] are well documented.)
1. explicate further please!
2. Yes, more or less!
3. Will not work, at least not for the reapplication of extinct idioms such as "Niederpreußisch" for example.
Reintroducing and sublevating still extant dialects, such as Bavarian, from its superficial stance nowadays is an adorable and supportable intent though.


JAFish propaganda drives our minds into a mixture of lies about race and culture and history of continental germans.Upon these bullshits they learn us that germans (of BRD) are not a nation exactly;they are a mix of different nations with many differences and nothing can unite these nations.They speak of jungle of german dialects with completely different elements that are not intelligible to each other.They say that English is a standard for germanICs and germans must be compared to England to determine how GermanIC they are
rather lucent arguementation, isn't it?:insane


So a nation with about 60% non-german vocabulary is more germanIC than a 100% pure german culture and language nation.
Depends on what parameter you use; if you start off with the assumt, that "Germanicness" is divinely defined through language, then yes, you are right, if you tend to apply other accessory or surrogating parameters, such as race, cultural heritage, et cetera, than the oucome may alternate.


After this I decided to become familiar with german languages and compare them with the German identity (My definition of being german.). Because language is the best representative of a culture.
:hutheb

to be perpetuated...

Gruß
Q.

OdinThor
Monday, February 20th, 2006, 04:41 PM
Betman

These side should be helpful for you. It is the collection of examples of all german dialects, recorded during the years 1936/1937. The project was called "Lautdenkmal".

http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~naeser/ld00.htm#tonprob (http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/%7Enaeser/ld00.htm#tonprob)
http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/~naeser/dial-aud.htm (http://staff-www.uni-marburg.de/%7Enaeser/dial-aud.htm)

You will find anything from Bavarian to Prussian. :thumbup