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Draco
Tuesday, February 8th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Someone asked for these, and I couldn't oblige them due to problems with my image hosting site, these problems are now resolved. Can't post too many pictures though.

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+Suomut+
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Thank you for posting these D., they are GREAT! :thumbup :) I have a question for ya', where did you snap that shot of the bear?...is that a REAL bear? :wsg lol :thumbsup

Kräuterhexe
Saturday, February 19th, 2005, 10:48 PM
Beautiful Pictures, really.I was there in earlier Years. :thumbup

Odin Biggles
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 02:52 AM
Certainly a lovely place.

Draco
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 06:16 AM
Yes, it was a real bear. And I shot it at the Alpenzoo....you cant tell, can you? It looks like a real picture from the forest. European zoos let you get very close to the animals, I was surprised..we also went to the Munich Zoo.

Oh, Suomot, you asked where my pics went in my sub-racial thread, I moved my album around which apparently breaks any direct image links :bangbang

I have more pictures, theyre not full sized; you should see them for real, much higher quality.

Here is more from Innsbruck:

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I can start a new thread on "pictures from Italy(Florence/Rome)" and "pictures from Germany(Munich)" if anyone cares to see them. This Tyrol pictures thing started because I believe it was Marius who said he passed through but never got to stop, so I figured I'd help him out.

I also have pics from Salzburg, but it rained the ENTIRE time...except of course the day we left for Munich...not a cloud in the sky on THAT day. :~(

Odin Biggles
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 05:51 PM
NIce pics again, liked the first set better really, Im a landscape lover ! :thumbup.

Id like to see your other pictures mate :).

+Suomut+
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 06:51 PM
Yes, it was a real bear. And I shot it at the Alpenzoo....you cant tell, can you? It looks like a real picture from the forest. European zoos let you get very close to the animals, I was surprised..we also went to the Munich Zoo. Ja, I was thinking it was probably in a zoo. lol :P :D ;) :) The reason I asked is because from what I understand, there are no wild bears (loose) in the Alps anymore. I base this largely on what my cousin, who is Swiss-German/Bernese (he and I both are Bernese down our father's lines), has told me; that there are no longer any bears in the area anymore; at least this is true in Bern; and both he/I and other Bernese consider it to be so tragic/sad that the Bernese flag (an OLD flag indeed) has a bear on it http://flagspot.net/images/c/ch-be.gif, yet other than in zoos (perhaps) there are no bears in Bern anymore--killed off/hunted to the point of ZERO long ago. Sad, really. :-\ There are positive things about not having bears around, though, I know, they live in my area of N.C.; and, frankly, I don't want them anywhere near me (they're a pain in the ass and can put one in the grave too! lol). LMAO lol hehehe :wsg


Oh, Suomot, you asked where my pics went in my sub-racial thread, I moved my album around which apparently breaks any direct image links. I have more pictures, theyre not full sized; you should see them for real, much higher quality. :thumbsup :)


Here is more from Innsbruck:

I can start a new thread on "pictures from Italy(Florence/Rome)" and "pictures from Germany(Munich)" if anyone cares to see them. This Tyrol pictures thing started because I believe it was Marius who said he passed through but never got to stop, so I figured I'd help him out. Thank you very much for the Inns. pics.--LOVELY! :thumbup :) I'd love to see your Munich pics. too. :thumbsup :)


I also have pics from Salzburg, but it rained the ENTIRE time...except of course the day we left for Munich...not a cloud in the sky on THAT day. :~( Hey man, even if they're bad, I insist you post your Salz. pics.! :tthumbsup :wsg Thank you sir. :)

Mac Seafraidh
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 09:52 PM
Those pictures are great. The scenery looks a lot better than most parts of the United States. Pollution levels are low by looking at it.

Wichmann
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 09:55 PM
Ja, I was thinking it was probably in a zoo. lol :P :D ;) :) The reason I asked is because from what I understand, there are no wild bears (loose) in the Alps anymore. I base this largely on what my cousin, who is Swiss-German/Bernese (he and I both are Bernese down our father's lines), has told me; that there are no longer any bears in the area anymore; at least this is true in Bern; and both he/I and other Bernese consider it to be so tragic/sad that the Bernese flag (an OLD flag indeed) has a bear on it http://flagspot.net/images/c/ch-be.gif, yet other than in zoos (perhaps) there are no bears in Bern anymore--killed off/hunted to the point of ZERO long ago. Sad, really. :-\ There are positive things about not having bears around, though, I know, they live in my area of N.C.; and, frankly, I don't want them anywhere near me (they're a pain in the ass and can put one in the grave too! lol). LMAO lol hehehe :wsg




Well, I have to inform you that there are some wild bears in Austria! :)
They are called Ötscherbears after a mountain called "Ötscher" in south-western Lower Austria. There are now 25-30 brownbears in that area!

[QUOTE] Bears in Austria


Resettlement – Mira and the first young
“The presence of a bear changes the flavour of a landscape” according to the American wild biologist Aldo Leopold. Please read more about the bear resettlement project in Austria.

http://www.wwf.at/Projekte/artenschutz/project346/articlefolder414/article126/img1069422519273.jpg
In the year 1989 it happend: a new chapter in the Austrian bear history began. A 3,5 year old female, Mira, that was caught in Croatia, jumped out of the transportation box on June 9th 1989 in Lower Austria to conquer a new territory.

From the first day of her release until the 17th of October she was traced by a transmitter. The results were surprising not just for us. The area she used, was very small, only 115 km². Under these circumstances the continuation of the project was naturally.

1991, The first cubs

Because the Ötscherbear was supposed to be a male, it was obvious to start the project with a female. At the time she was released, in June 1989, she was 3,5 years old. So the first young were expected at the earliest in spring 1991. These expectations could be called “cautious optimism”, because it was not sure that putting a female in front of the Ötscherbär would work and offspring would follow immediatey.

But Mira and the Ötscherbear did not let us down and on the 16th of June Mira was seen for the first time with her cubs. When driving home a forester surprised the mother with her three (!!) young. This was a clear sign of the suitable habitat and the first successful stage of the project. These 3 young were the first of more than 20 young that were born in the last 14 years.

The delight about the success was spoiled in the course of the year, when the young mother was later on seen with just two and finally only one young. The causes for these losses are not known. There are a lot of possibilities, as the young do not live in a paradise and there are a lot of dangers for them. Was it the inexperience of the young mother? Was it illness or flood? We can just guess. A clear hint at the faith of the two youngsters could not be found. In May Mira parted with her one year old young.


Links:
Two more bears are set free » (http://www.wwf.at/Projekte/artenschutz/project346/articlefolder414/article542/)

source: http://www.wwf.at/Projekte/artenschutz/project346/index.html/s=3/a=3

Draco
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 10:19 PM
Those pictures are great. The scenery looks a lot better than most parts of the United States. Pollution levels are low by looking at it.

Indeed! Austria had to have been the cleanest place I had ever been. The air is clean, the vegetation a healthy green, and the water from the glacial mountains is probably the best I had ever tasted.

When we went food shopping, we had to pay .17 euro cents for shopping bags, the plastic ones. People reuse them, here in the States they are thrown away. I commend that kind of attitude they have, they realize resources are finite and want to keep their living space as free of junk as possible.

+Suomut+
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 10:22 PM
Well, I have to inform you that there are some wild bears in Austria!
They are called Ötscherbears after a mountain called "Ötscher" in south-western Lower Austria. There are now 25-30 brownbears in that area!Thank you for informing me, Wich. :thumbsup :) I was wondering if any re-introduction activities/efforts have been going on. :thumbup Is the Ötscher Mountain area a wildlife preserve (i.e., publically/state-owned land strictly for animal/wildlife habitation)?

+Suomut+
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 10:38 PM
The scenery looks a lot better than most parts of the United States. You must like mountainous terrain (me too :) ). I'll presume then that you find images of the Rockies and much of the Southern Appalachians to be just as appealing? :P :D After all, these Alpine images are little different than the aforementioned areas, IMHO. ;) :)

Wichmann
Sunday, February 20th, 2005, 11:33 PM
Thank you for informing me, Wich. :thumbsup :) I was wondering if any re-introduction activities/efforts have been going on. :thumbup Is the Ötscher Mountain area a wildlife preserve (i.e., publically/state-owned land strictly for animal/wildlife habitation)?Well, I don't think that it is a real wildlife preserve except the bears.
However there is the last(rather small) real primeval forest(which is of course preserved) in whole middle-europe! That area is called Rothwald and it has never seen an axe or even a motorsaw in his whole history. BTW this area is possessed privately by the Rothschild family, unfortunately no joke. :|
As you can see from the photos, it is a pretty sparsely populated country, so possible problems are rather minimized.

Some impressions of the Ötscher and the surrounding area:

I have never been in British Columbia and in Washington state, but I think it looks quite similar to this area. So I guess it's paradise for bears. :)


http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o030.jpg

Sunrise at Mt. Ötscher.

http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o031.jpg
At Kleiner Ötscher with view to Gemeindealpe, our ambition for today.



http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o032.jpg ... http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o033.jpg Another nice view of Gemeindealpe. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o034.jpg
At Feldwiesalm, one of the largest Alps of Lower Austria. See also: www.noel.gv.at (http://www.noel.gv.at/Service/abb/99.htm)(only in German) http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o035.jpg
Feldwiesalm with Kleiner Ötscher in the background. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o036.jpg
View from Eiserner Herrgott into the Alpine foreland. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o037.jpg
Getting closer to Gemeindealpe. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o038.jpg
View to Ötscher with the Rauher Kamm (right) and the Kleiner Ötscher (left). http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o039.jpg
At Gemeindealpe. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o040.jpg
View down to Erlaufsee (lake) and Mariazell (pilgrims town). http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o041.jpg
Erlaufsee. http://photos.eisenbach.at/bilder/wanderungen/oetscher/o042.jpg
At the end of our tour we jumped into the cold water of Erlaufsee - this is a nice ending of our hiking tour. From Erlaufsee it is only a one hour walk back to Mariazell or Mitterbach.


source: http://photos.eisenbach.at/hikes/oetscher/2.htm

Odin Biggles
Monday, February 21st, 2005, 01:18 AM
Wichmann, those pictures are fantastic, well done.

+Suomut+
Monday, February 21st, 2005, 06:57 PM
Wichmann, those pictures are fantastic, well done.I concur 100%!!! Wichmann, Rothwald sounds like an awesome place, and it is a shame, indeed, that the rothschilds own it. :thumbdown I'd love to hike around the Ötscher area also...that would be incredible for me. :-O ;) And, a dip in/swim :swim
in the Erlaufsee would FUN for me too--I LOVE to swim! :) --even though if that lake is SUPER-COLD it would be a SHORT swim! lol hehehe :wsg THANK YOU! for posting all of these pictures!! :| :thumbup :)

Mercator
Tuesday, August 29th, 2006, 02:42 AM
Tirol