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Mistress Klaus
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 05:17 PM
:| I have to quit....I like smoking, but I know my health is suffering. I have been a willing partner & slave to these coffin nails for something like 14 years. :dsad ...Though now that I am facing the reality of actually quitting, I feel like I am going to miss this 'reliable' friend. How can I enjoy my morning coffee...my beers..after food, after sex., painting, art, music etc..without my tobacco?!.. ;( Life will be miserable.

Should I invest in those patches or gum etc...or just go cold turkey with immense bouts of will & determination? I wish I had never started smoking in my teens. It is completely intergrated in my lifestyle & habits. How the hel am I going to stop?.. :|

Kräuterhexe
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 05:39 PM
Someone ' i know stoped smoking with acupunctur combined with one of those books. You should try it he never ' relapsed.

Blood_Axis
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 05:40 PM
Dear Skadi,

from what I have seen, I think the best way is to just..stop..!

I know it sounds childish, but I've seen some friends of mine trying various methods over the years but they always relapse.

One of them, who was a very heavy smoker (more like a cigarette-junky, actually :P), woke up one day and decided that he had enough.

He quit smoking immediately and began to exercise (body building).

Now, not only has he not smoked again, but the mere smell of it makes him sick. He also quit drinking on the side.

A couple of other people have quit the same way.

It is a matter of will power.

I know that you would expect a more "proffesional" opinion, but I think that the best way to do it is to get over it in your head first.

In your case, I think the fact that you live away from urban madness, and that you also have a healthy diet, should help.

I think that smoking, drinking and obesity are mostly phenomena that are encouraged by the urban lifestyle.

So, good luck with your efforts!

:squeeze

The Horned God
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 09:06 PM
Like Blood Axis said, if you want to stop, just stop. If you think you are depriving yourself of something then your efforts to stop will surely be doomed to failure. Still, it might be worth giving your lungs the rest for the couple of weeks, or however long you manage to hold out.. Best of Luck.

Siegmund
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 09:16 PM
:| I have to quit....I like smoking, but I know my health is suffering. I have been a willing partner & slave to these coffin nails for something like 14 years. :dsad ...Though now that I am facing the reality of actually quitting, I feel like I am going to miss this 'reliable' friend. How can I enjoy my morning coffee...my beers..after food, after sex., painting, art, music etc..without my tobacco?!.. ;( Life will be miserable.

Should I invest in those patches or gum etc...or just go cold turkey with immense bouts of will & determination? I wish I had never started smoking in my teens. It is completely intergrated in my lifestyle & habits. How the hel am I going to stop?.. :|
I stopped smoking only when I decided I really wanted to stop. It sounds obvious, but it wasn't until I decided as a free choice and not because I "should" that I could see my way clear to succeed. Bad health effects were not a sufficient motivation; rather, it was the after-smell on my body, breath and clothes; the smeary color on my books and computer screen; and the mega-dollars I was spending each month on cigarettes rather than Skadheim CDs. :)

As for whether you should quit cold turkey or with the help of patches, etc., you might find it helpful to get your doctor's opinion next time you are in for a checkup. I quit cold turkey, but that's just me.

Mac Seafraidh
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 09:33 PM
I do not smoke Marlboros, but don't they have shorter cigarettes than normal? That could help someone quit, but they probably have shorter filters or release more nicotine because the perforation.

Tommy Vercetti
Friday, January 14th, 2005, 02:16 AM
:| I have to quit....I like smoking, but I know my health is suffering. I have been a willing partner & slave to these coffin nails for something like 14 years. :dsad ...Though now that I am facing the reality of actually quitting, I feel like I am going to miss this 'reliable' friend. How can I enjoy my morning coffee...my beers..after food, after sex., painting, art, music etc..without my tobacco?!.. ;( Life will be miserable.

Should I invest in those patches or gum etc...or just go cold turkey with immense bouts of will & determination? I wish I had never started smoking in my teens. It is completely intergrated in my lifestyle & habits. How the hel am I going to stop?.. :|

You have to think all the benefits you get by quitting smoking:

14 years is long time, but you are still relatively young, and not much irreversible damage has happened. If you stop now your body starts to recover and your physical condition improves drastically. And think all the money that you save.

However, if you continue smoking or just postpone the quitting in the future it is harder and harder to quit, and eventually there will be irreversible changes in your body and organs. That means you will probably suffer more from various sicknessess at older age.

There will be situations when one wants to have a nervesmokes etc. but it is possible to deal with them without relapsing. Doing physical exercises also helps. Exercising may even become healthy replacing action for smoking.

Wichmann
Friday, January 14th, 2005, 03:18 PM
Just read: "Allen Carr's Easy Way to Stop Smoking"

Trust me, it works!!!!! ;)

sciath
Saturday, January 15th, 2005, 10:37 AM
Happy new year dear Skadi ;)

I haven't smoked a cigarette since 2 years and I drink coffees and beers every day :D :D .
For people like us who are addicted to nicotine there is ONE solution (not two or three!!). To suck nicotine tablets ..and to keep on drinking !! Don't take patches (or gums) because when you'll be drunk you'll need nicotine and won't feel satisfied. . Nicotine tablets have exactly the same effect than strong cigarettes (without the health troubles) so you won't feel frustrated after a good beer or a cup of coffee. ..

Tommy Vercetti
Saturday, January 15th, 2005, 01:51 PM
Happy new year dear Skadi ;)

I haven't smoked a cigarette since 2 years and I drink coffees and beers every day :D :D .
For people like us who are addicted to nicotine there is ONE solution (not two or three!!). To suck nicotine tablets ..and to keep on drinking !! Don't take patches (or gums) because when you'll be drunk you'll need nicotine and won't feel satisfied. . Nicotine tablets have exactly the same effect than strong cigarettes (without the health troubles) so you won't feel frustrated after a good beer or a cup of coffee. ..

If you are weak-minded doesn't mean that everyone else is too. It is always possible to quit smoking without substitute shit, like nicotine tablets. Changing cigarettes for expensive nicotine tablets is not quitting, it is only attempt to go easy way.



Nicotine tablets have exactly the same effect than strong cigarettes (without the health troubles)

There is plenty of health troubles with nicotine.

sciath
Saturday, January 15th, 2005, 03:34 PM
There is plenty of health troubles with nicotine.

You're wrong. Apart from the addiction, nicotine isn't worse than cafein. It's even good for memory (ask any honest specialist)

Besides, nicotine tablets are just a stage before stopping.
It's not a question of weakness, it's a question of chemistry. When your body is used to it, if you deprive it suddenly, you'll have to compensate (sugar, nervous acts,...)
Obviously you've never been a big smoker

Tommy Vercetti
Saturday, January 15th, 2005, 05:12 PM
You're wrong. Apart from the addiction, nicotine isn't worse than cafein. It's even good for memory (ask any honest specialist)


It is worse than caffein, and it has many adverse effects e.g accelerates tumor growth among others (ask any honest specialists or do some searching on your own)



Besides, nicotine tablets are just a stage before stopping.


I know many smokers who have "quit" smoking with assistance of nicotine products. They all are still addicted to nicotine. Some of them eat nicotine tablets and some of them have returned to tobacco due it's cheaper price.




It's not a question of weakness, it's a question of chemistry. When your body is used to it, if you deprive it suddenly, you'll have to compensate (sugar, nervous acts,...)


If you can't fight the symptoms(sugar, nervous acts,...) without drug, it signals that you don't have enough will power, so your mind is too weak to give up the addiction.





Obviously you've never been a big smoker


I was intense smoker about 6 years(at least 20 cigarettes per day)
I don't know is that big smoking though.

sciath
Sunday, January 16th, 2005, 03:33 AM
It is worse than caffein, and it has many adverse effects e.g accelerates tumor growth among others (ask any honest specialists or do some searching on your own)

If you can't fight the symptoms(sugar, nervous acts,...) without drug, it signals that you don't have enough will power, so your mind is too weak to give up the addiction.


1) Apart from heart effect, I've never been told of other bad effects of nicotine. Anyway I trust you...I add only that walking in the streets (cf cars and dioxins) and eating hamburgers lead you to cemetery too
2) If you don't have any addiction in life I congratulate you Mr Vercetti, you're a strong man ;)

Tommy Vercetti
Sunday, January 16th, 2005, 11:45 AM
If you don't have any addiction in life I congratulate you Mr Vercetti, you're a strong man ;)

I have. Some good, some bad. I'm trying to get rid of the bad ones

Helgoland
Sunday, January 16th, 2005, 01:47 PM
I stopped (cold turkey) a few weeks ago after 15 years. I´ve posted an interesting link with an article about smoking, see what you think.

PS:
I feel much better now and food test great again!!
http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/smoking.html

Mistress Klaus
Tuesday, January 18th, 2005, 01:38 PM
I stopped (cold turkey) a few weeks ago after 15 years. I´ve posted an interesting link with an article about smoking, see what you think.

PS:
I feel much better now and food test great again!!
http://www.joevialls.co.uk/transpositions/smoking.html

:D I like this link..
I think when all the 'Quit Smoking' campaigns/trend fades out,..it will come around complete face..and it will be advised for troubled & obese folk to actually take up the habit...he he... The masses are controlled by trends, health scares & fads. (Why are people so fat these days?.... :D ...Humans have a natural tendency to do things with their hands & mouths.....Most people have a habit directed at these two functions/actions. Perhaps a couple of cigarettes would be more healthier than eating half a cake with 6 cups of coffee or Coca Cola... :P for example.)..

I sound like I am still promoting smoking....but I know I should stop. (or perhaps I just brain-washed by todays stance on the matter?.... :P Still making excuses for my habit..he he he)
My boyfriend hasn't smoked for 5 days now...he just stopped cold turkey. I couldn't believe it at first...then envious, then admiration. :| I have given myself a 3 day dead line. Then thats it. (famous last words)...

green nationalist
Tuesday, January 25th, 2005, 03:09 PM
I just quit cold turkey.

I tried before substituting ciggarettes with beer, Chewing gum, Food, it doesent work. if you have the will power to stop you will, if you have not, then you will die.

The fittest will survive the test of willpower:thumbup

fenriSS_
Tuesday, January 25th, 2005, 09:21 PM
A got a good tip 4 you, travel to Scandenavia and buy snus:thumbup, i'v been smoking for about a month now, but now it seems like my head is not getting any drug effect, just relaxed. Dang, i quit smoking untill summer, this will be a test of my willpower:D

Tommy Vercetti
Tuesday, January 25th, 2005, 10:25 PM
A got a good tip 4 you, travel to Scandenavia and buy snus:thumbup, i'v been smoking for about a month now, but now it seems like my head is not getting any drug effect, just relaxed. Dang, i quit smoking untill summer, this will be a test of my willpower:D

I was pretty seasoned smoker when I tried Ettan first(and last) time, it almost knocked me out :P It contains so much more nicotine and it absorbs into the blood much faster than tobacco

green nationalist
Tuesday, January 25th, 2005, 11:33 PM
A got a good tip 4 you, travel to Scandenavia and buy snus:thumbup, i'v been smoking for about a month now, but now it seems like my head is not getting any drug effect, just relaxed. Dang, i quit smoking untill summer, this will be a test of my willpower:D
That snus is disgusting stuff, it would put you off nicotene forever, I remeber I was drunk one night in the Biker bar and I ate a big block of the stuff and it was like acid burning through my cheek, and that was even after drinking whiskey all day the pain and the taste was terrible.:(

fenriSS_
Wednesday, January 26th, 2005, 02:21 PM
it's not disccusting, you just need to know how to do it, put it in your lip, not swallow it! When i was in Denmark at Dana cup(a soccer turnement) i was drunk and ate some snus, haha! i also meet a angry deutsch nigger who called me nazi, but that's another story;)

green nationalist
Wednesday, January 26th, 2005, 02:49 PM
it's not disccusting, you just need to know how to do it, put it in your lip, not swallow it! When i was in Denmark at Dana cup(a soccer turnement) i was drunk and ate some snus, haha! i also meet a angry deutsch nigger who called me nazi, but that's another story;)
I know, you put it inside your lip and in front of your theeth, the stuff is crazy, they use it finland too. Here in Ireland we have the Snuff which you shoot up your nose. Manky stuff as well.

Deling
Monday, January 31st, 2005, 06:25 PM
"Here in Ireland we have the Snuff which you shoot up your nose."

In the nose? well, that's sick stuff!
It's nothing wrong with snus, but lössnus isn't too nice. There's påssnus too, in small 'bags', which isn't disgusting at all.
To me snus was the passageway to smoking though, and after one has snusat a while it doesn't feel any special. So you to smoking instead. It's much harder to quit smoking than quit snusa though.

Appalachian
Tuesday, March 22nd, 2005, 12:11 AM
"Here in Ireland we have the Snuff which you shoot up your nose."

In the nose? well, that's sick stuff! No, it's really quite nice! :)
http://www.cyan.si/images/Gletscherprise%20advertise.GIF
It could definitely help with quitting cigarettes. Just make sure you carry a dark-colored handkerchief. ;)

Here in the States, what we call "snuff" (especially in the South) is put in the lip, as in the Scandinavian style. I used to dip Copenhagen when I was younger, but it's a nasty, destructive habit.
http://www.tobaccobymail.com/images/copenhagen-fresh-cope1.jpg

Now my slightly-less-nasty, slightly-less-destructive vices are:
http://www.tabak-heinrich.de/images/medium/gletscherprise.jpg
and
http://i1.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/a8/ae/6a_1_b.JPGhttp://www.smoke.co.uk/images/pipes/stanwell/hca11.jpg

For the record, some studies have shown that pipe smokers live longer than non-smokers. It is an extremely relaxing, contemplative experience which lowers the blood pressure and eliminates stress.

Draco
Wednesday, March 23rd, 2005, 04:16 AM
In the Army we had smoking cessation programs. I've never smoked, but I heard good things about a prescription drug called Zyban.

Works by killing the craving in the brain I think.

jdster
Wednesday, March 23rd, 2005, 09:27 AM
For what it's worth, I read this in The Old Farmer's Almanac some years
ago (quoting loosely, from memory):

Take the contents of an ashtray. Place in a saucepan
Add water. Boil. Strain. Drink the water. You will
be violently ill for several days, but you will
never again be able to stand the smell of
cigarette smoke.

I have smoked since I was about nine or
so. I started smoking a pipe when I was
fourteen or so. The longest I have quit
was about nine months. (Cold Turkey).
While I don't want to encourage you to
continue the vile smoking habit, I would
suggest that if you cannot give up, try
a pipe. It's more of a ritual than a habit,
It smells and tastes much better and
if you're a somewhat light smoker (I am),
it's much cheaper than cigarettes after
the initial purchase of some good pipes.
even with pipe cleaners (and filters, if
you use them).


Good Luck!



:)

Appalachian
Wednesday, March 23rd, 2005, 01:32 PM
For what it's worth, I read this in The Old Farmer's Almanac some years
ago (quoting loosely, from memory):

Take the contents of an ashtray. Place in a saucepan
Add water. Boil. Strain. Drink the water. You will
be violently ill for several days, but you will
never again be able to stand the smell of
cigarette smoke.

I wouldn't advise this, as it could very well kill you, depending on if there are butts, dottle, or bits of tobacco left in the ashtray.

The part about the pipes is good advice, though. :)

Blood_Axis
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Dear Skara Brae,

I finally quit smoking after 12 years of being a -more or less- heavy smoker.

I just quit. It was a sudden decision, I just said to myself that I'll never smoke again. And I did it!

I have been smokeless for over a month now. And I have no problem whatsoever, I don't miss it at all...no cravings. It is mostly psychological, I guess. I feel like I have never smoked in my life now, and just the thought of it makes me sick.

A side tip: I immediately registered to the gym as soon as I quit, both to refrain from getting fat because of quitting the smoke, and to feel healthier. It totally took my mind away from smoking, it helped a lot. After you start working out, your body rejects the smoke. Now even second-hand smoking bothers me, I cough when my friends smoke.

That's the only way to do it: one out!

No gums, no patches, no step by step quitting. All it takes is iron will.

Take the tip from Blaxis. :P

QuietWind
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 08:21 PM
Dear Skara Brae,

I finally quit smoking after 12 years of being a -more or less- heavy smoker.

I just quit. It was a sudden decision, I just said to myself that I'll never smoke again. And I did it!

I have been smokeless for over a month now. And I have no problem whatsoever, I don't miss it at all...no cravings. It is mostly psychological, I guess. I feel like I have never smoked in my life now, and just the thought of it makes me sick.

A side tip: I immediately registered to the gym as soon as I quit, both to refrain from getting fat because of quitting the smoke, and to feel healthier. It totally took my mind away from smoking, it helped a lot. After you start working out, your body rejects the smoke. Now even second-hand smoking bothers me, I cough when my friends smoke.

That's the only way to do it: one out!

No gums, no patches, no step by step quitting. All it takes is iron will.

Take the tip from Blaxis. :P
Good for you! :thumbup That is such great news. Keep going though. It often takes at least 90 days to break a bad habit and form new ones. The gym sounds like a great idea! :chleading

Frans_Jozef
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 10:07 PM
Good for you! :thumbup That is such great news. Keep going though. It often takes at least 90 days to break a bad habit and form new ones. The gym sounds like a great idea! :chleading
Yes, I am so awful happy for her that to celebrate her self-conquest I lit my seventh cigar of today and poured myself another glass of Pastis. :D

Appalachian
Wednesday, August 10th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Yes, I am so awful happy for her that to celebrate her self-conquest I lit my seventh cigar of today and poured myself another glass of Pastis. :D


Hear, Hear!

Blaxis, I'm packing a pipe full of Three Nuns in your honor. :prost
http://www.cigar-pipe.de/gr/ztbdc20i5.jpg

Josep Conrad
Thursday, August 11th, 2005, 12:16 AM
After three packets of Marlboro a day, eighteen months in an "unexpected conflict" and eight years married, you only need to be in the necessity to run or to go up stairs, when you feel your lungs burning tobbacco will taste different. If this home remedy doesn´t work try to raise children in a free-smoke-enviroment home...;) It is impossible is you have the habit to give it up completely, at least for me, but you can always keep a cigarette for "that" moments, as you keep money for special presents. Then you feel it tastes better.:P

Scholar
Sunday, August 14th, 2005, 03:22 AM
I'd say that every time you have a craving, go on a jog. Get the endorphins flowing and the sweat dripping and when you get back you'll be too thirsty to want to smoke. Plus the endorphins give you a little high and calms you down. :)

Wissen ist Macht
Sunday, August 14th, 2005, 07:51 AM
I know that some people must think that I am a bit weird but I quit smoking and assured myself that it would stay that way by a simple method:
I swore an oath on something which is most important to me that I would not take a cig into my hands anymore. If you are true to your beliefs, it should not be a problem to stay true to the oath - or would you betray your most important beliefs and thoughts for smoking a damn cigarette? :-O

Tricknologist
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 02:12 AM
It took me years to quit smoking because I would have to have one if I had a beer and I won't quit drinking beer. However, I haven't had a cigarette in about five years and I have no desire to start again.

Imperator X
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 06:06 AM
Hear, Hear!

Blaxis, I'm packing a pipe full of Three Nuns in your honor. :prost
http://www.cigar-pipe.de/gr/ztbdc20i5.jpg

My God! What are you trying to do get her to start again!!!? :D

Appalachian
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 06:19 AM
Taking up pipe smoking probably wouldn't hurt her. ;)

Some studies have shown that pipe smokers live longer than non smokers (http://www.meerschaumstore.com/health.htm)!



In any event, you've inspired me. I shall now pack up my Hans Christian Andersen churchwarden full of Hamborger Veermaster.

http://affordablepipes.com/stanwell_hca_smooth_a.jpg
http://www.daft.de/tabak/images/veermaster.jpg



Mmmm.... Sweet Virginia leaf with just a hint of vanilla.... ;)

Imperator X
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 08:26 PM
:thumbup Wow! Appalachian, that is one classy pipe! Where did you get it? How much did it cost? Do you inhale?

I got to get me one of those. :hillbilly

Appalachian
Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, 09:11 PM
:thumbup Wow! Appalachian, that is one classy pipe!

Thanks. That photo is not mine, but mine is just like it. The best thing about the HCA is that it has interchangeable stems, so you can add the long "churchwarden" stem on for a more relaxed, leisurely smoke (great for reading) or put a shorter, bent stem on it.


Where did you get it? How much did it cost?

I ordered mine from thepiperoom.com (http://thepiperoom.com/pipes/stanwell/Hans_Christian_Anderson/hans_christian_anderson.html) for about 80 bucks, though I later found better prices (as low as $65.00) elsewhere.

$85's not a bad price for a mid-range pipe. Some Dunhills can go for thousands of dollars, which is a bit out of my league. ;)

I'd recommend starting with a less expensive pipe though, to see if you like it. Heck, I get some of my best smokes out of four-dollar corncobs made byMissouri Meerschaum (http://www.corncobpipe.com/) and purchased at the corner store. :)



Do you inhale?

I don't, and neither do most pipe smokers. Just kind of puff gently and roll the smoke around in your mouth. It's usually strong enough that you'll still get a good nicotene buzz, and a lot of pipe tobaccos (like that Three Nuns) are powerful enough to knock you on your butt if you're not careful with them.

Probably the best resource for getting info about pipe smoking is the discussion forums over at pipes.org (http://www.pipes.org/discus/). To learn about the various tobaccos out there, I recommend tobaccoreviews.com (http://tobaccoreviews.com).

Japetos
Friday, September 2nd, 2005, 10:00 PM
:| I have to quit....I like smoking, but I know my health is suffering. I have been a willing partner & slave to these coffin nails for something like 14 years. :dsad ...Though now that I am facing the reality of actually quitting, I feel like I am going to miss this 'reliable' friend. How can I enjoy my morning coffee...my beers..after food, after sex., painting, art, music etc..without my tobacco?!.. ;( Life will be miserable.

Should I invest in those patches or gum etc...or just go cold turkey with immense bouts of will & determination? I wish I had never started smoking in my teens. It is completely intergrated in my lifestyle & habits. How the hel am I going to stop?.. :|
Try coca.It's a safe way.

Weg
Friday, September 2nd, 2005, 10:24 PM
Try sport. If you quite smoking, you'll gain weight; you'll have to make some sport anyway.

Herne
Friday, October 21st, 2005, 04:57 AM
Cravings ocur when ciggarettes pop into your mind. The trick is to forget about the cigarette by thinking about or doing something else. Do that each time you think about smoking. That is how you get through the first week.

Elgar
Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007, 11:56 PM
I am trying to give up smoking. Have any members previously quit this habit? If so how did you do it? Can you recommend any books/CDs, etc?

I really don't know why I have smoked for so long (ten years), but it's a disgsuting habit and I'm determined to quit.

Blood_Axis
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 12:47 AM
I was smoking for more than 10 years and I quit cold turkey. Been smokeless for...hmmm...let me see...nearly 2 1/2 years now.

If you ask me, that's the only way to quit. Reducing, nicotine patches, etc, will not work for long, because ultimately it's a matter of willpower since it's mostly a psychological rather than a physical addiction ;)

I know, I'm not very helpful, anyone could have told you that... :o

Drakkar
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 12:57 AM
I never got into it. I'll smoke one every now and then when I drink. I want to quit altogether though, but I don't want to use any drugs. I'm determined to use willpower. I just don't know when to start..

Elgar
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 01:00 AM
I was smoking for more than 10 years and I quit cold turkey. Been smokeless for...hmmm...let me see...nearly 2 1/2 years now.

If you ask me, that's the only way to quit. Reducing, nicotine patches, etc, will not work for long, because ultimately it's a matter of willpower since it's mostly a psychological rather than a physical addiction ;)

I know, I'm not very helpful, anyone could have told you that... :o


Not at all! If that's your advice, then I appreciate it. With me it's a matter of occupying my mind - so long as I can keep myself distracted, then I should be able to do it.

Istigkeit
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 01:22 AM
If it's keeping your mind off that you worry about, then find another hobby to keep your mind occupied. Puzzles, painting, ships in bottles, etc. Suckers/gum/hard candy might help with the oral fixation issue.

I don't smoke by the way.

Loftor
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 09:54 AM
You do it one cigarette at a time by thinking about something else when you feel like a smoke. When you think about something else the cravings stop. Do use nicotine supplements though to make it more bearable. It gets easier and easier each cigarette you give up so enjoy the suffering while it lasts.

Freydis
Thursday, October 4th, 2007, 01:19 PM
"Cold turkey" seems to be the best way. I know several people who've done it with this method and succeeded.

Matamoros
Friday, October 5th, 2007, 08:58 AM
Good luck! I would suggest keeping yourself busy, doing things with friends or chores that must be done. Maybe try finding a good book to read too. :)

The Horned God
Friday, October 5th, 2007, 12:23 PM
I don't smoke so I don't speak from experience. But I know there are a couple of new drugs that've only been out a year or two, that are supposedly better than patches at taking away the "morning craving".

They are usually used in combination with patches and have to be prescribed by a doctor.
The brand name the drugs are sold under are Chantix and Zyban.


Two studies published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed that about 22 per cent of smokers on Chantix were abstinent at the one-year mark, compared to 15 per cent for Zyban, and 9 per cent for placebos.
source (http://addiction-dirkh.blogspot.com/2007/01/new-drug-for-smokers.html)


Apparently they work by closing off the pathway in the brain responsible for the craving, however one puff of a cigarette will open the pathway again.

My uncle has used on of these drugs (I'm not sure which) along with patches and reports good results with it.

Boche
Friday, October 5th, 2007, 12:51 PM
I stopped smoking 2 months ago, the reason i stopped was mainly because i simply didn't want anymore after 6 years of smoking. It started to annoy me suddenly and now i feel better anyway.

Altough the detox is until now a bit harsh, i also always smoked in stressy moments, now after stopping i got easiler stressed.
But still i'm better now.
Another funny issue about it is that my sense of taste became better and now food and drinks taste much more intensive than before.


A few hints mentiond are okay, but i wouldn't have needed them. I drank alcohol also after stopping when i went to a pub or restaurant at weekends.
I still have alot of stressy moments which i can't avoid, but they don't make me smoke yet.
And in the first month i still had 1 full pack of cigarettes on my desk whcih i sae everyday but i still didn't smoke a single cigarette from it.


So my hint to you is simply to stop, if you have a strong force of will you can stop easily.




Gruß,
Boche

Deary
Friday, October 5th, 2007, 09:15 PM
For those of you who quit smoking, how well did the three day rule apply?

OneEnglishNorman
Saturday, October 6th, 2007, 12:18 AM
I stopped smoking my pipes - which I loved - because I was concerned about staining my teeth. I didn't do it enough to perceive any risk to my lungs, or exposure to tongue/mouth cancer (even if a misguided judgement).

This is a question of technology. I bet that in 100 years time, scientists will have invented a way of allowing people to smoke without it affecting their lungs, skin, mouth, teeth. Because there is nothing better. My dad told me to eat jelly babies or whatever if I wanted something to do while I read a book. That pissed me off. Smoking looks cool and is relaxing, eating jelly babies does not look cool and they contain sugar which is not relaxing.

Anyway I think smoking is related to pacification (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikip edia.org%2Fwiki%2FPacifier), it's a partial substitute for the mother. Thumb-sucking among even older children is an obvious relation to sucking at the breast, and it's done more frequently when someone is stressed or anxious. Nail biting, pencil chewing, sunglass sucking are related activities. The pleasure of nicotine does not fully explain why people smoke, it's also about the oral contact and tongue/mouth movements involved, a throwback to infantile comfort.

Zimobog
Saturday, October 6th, 2007, 09:22 AM
Boche is right.

You must rely on will-power alone. Individuals who are unable to endure suffering discomfort will not be able to kick smoking, or any other habit for that matter.

I quit a two-pack habit four years ago so I know all about it.

Hellstar
Saturday, October 6th, 2007, 10:59 PM
I am trying to give up smoking. Have any members previously quit this habit? If so how did you do it? Can you recommend any books/CDs, etc?

I really don't know why I have smoked for so long (ten years), but it's a disgsuting habit and I'm determined to quit.

Well, its either smoking or not, its that simple.
I use to smoke 40-60 hand made cigs aday when younger, I just stopped like that.

It was over ten years ago, then i started and this is real stupid, like 4 months ago with Blue Kings. around 20-30 aday with filther though and mild, its some girl which turned me unto them. nostalgic. and she was here this whole night again, and we just smoke the fucking universe away.

I will stop, Since I start the pumping more serious again, its been on much standby since Jan, and lost 21 kilo, and got a shock since it was all muscles and im still big, but this time i can only regain them by not smoking and training, now i gained around 3 kilo again.

Lets stop smoking!

Keep the thread updated for prosperity.

Matamoros
Saturday, October 6th, 2007, 11:21 PM
Lets stop smoking!

Keep the thread updated for prosperity.

Good luck to you too Hellstar! No more cigarettes! It is important to be strong and healthy. :)

Hellstar
Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 12:00 AM
Good luck to you too Hellstar! No more cigarettes! It is important to be strong and healthy. :)

Couldnt be said better! Thanks.

Elgar
Sunday, October 7th, 2007, 11:31 PM
Well up until five minutes ago I had gone 33 hours without a cigarette, but the film I was due to watch starts at 11.30pm (now) and not 11pm. I then happened to notice someone smoking outside, couldn't find my hypnosis CD (it does help...) and so nipped to the garage and bought ten Mayfair lights. Pathetic, I know.

I will now endeavour to locate the aforementioned CD and start again when these run out - probably Wednesday. Just a temporary set back.

Zimobog
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 03:36 AM
Elgar,

The part of the human brain that gets addicted to nicotine and is triggering your cigarette cravings has a terrible "short-term" memory. Based on this knowledge, quitters like you and I can now form an intelligent strategy for winning. If you try this, you will win.

The most intense part of the cravings last on average three to five minutes. Anyone should be able to endure three minutes. It seems longer, so time it on your watch if you wish. The beginning of the "fit"; until cessation of the craving. It will be three to five minutes.

If you concentrate only on fighting five-minute battles with yourself whenever the craving surfaces you will be successful. Don't over-think it, just resist long enough for that part of your brain to get distracted by new stimuli.

Good Luck to all the quitters,

Zimobog...

....who quit four years and has saved $20,384 in cash because of it.

Boche
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 09:04 AM
Just out of curiosity,

Is there somebody else who had/has withdrawal syndromes from stopping to smoke?

Just curious, because my doctor said my latest health problems concerning stress-handling which lead into digestion-problems and headaches would be a withdrawal-syndrome.




Gruß,
Boche

Blood_Axis
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 10:21 AM
Boche, your trouble seems to be psychosomatic, I don't think it's directly related to smoking per se but rather stress-related (and your possible perception of not being able to cope with it without smoking), therefore you need to stress less :)

I didn't have any obvious withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. In fact, I started feeling healthier immediately after quiting. I could breathe easier and take a longer walk without getting dizzy.

The major drawback was that my alcohol consumption went up a lot since it seems that in order to compensate for one addiction, you must create a new one :D

Off-topic:

Smoking and (over)drinking seem to fall under the behavioral category of skinnerian adjunctive behavior (http://behaviorology.org/pdf/AdjunctiveBehavior.pdf). It is also called behavior in excess, because it's stress-related and self-destructive. If you don't wanna bother to read all this jargon, in a nutshell it's mostly a psychological phenomenon that occurs when the organism (you) feels that he has lack of control over his environment (mainly due to inconsistent reinforcement in relation to his efforts), and that's why it needs to be dealt as such...

In simpler words:

Have a good, stress-free job and get paid well (and on time), minimize stress of everyday life (e.g. transportation, work schedules, etc), live in Switzerland = less chances to become addicted to smoking and drinking.

Come live in Athens where chaos reigns = become an alcoholic chimney :D

Hellstar
Monday, October 8th, 2007, 11:49 PM
Boche, your trouble seems to be psychosomatic, I don't think it's directly related to smoking per se but rather stress-related (and your possible perception of not being able to cope with it without smoking), therefore you need to stress less :)

I didn't have any obvious withdrawal symptoms whatsoever. In fact, I started feeling healthier immediately after quiting. I could breathe easier and take a longer walk without getting dizzy.
:D psychosomatic could be it, its really something I know from my own body, but wont comment on it here, but i tend to agree with Blood Axis, but again just because its termed psychomatic can mean everything and can actually not be psychic but physical in reality. but maybe from stress hormons which is dubious related to the term psychosomtic again.

I think the reason Blood Axis breaths better, is the fact a substance called kolos is reholding the oxygene levels down and it can be up to 13 percent atleast. but on some trips i have smoked 100-200 cigs on one day. now beat that? dont think so. anyone can. but smoking is somewhat a curse.

its more interesting to know what they put into those cigs. some sort of analyse. but the factories have more money for that manipulation than those trying to undercover them.

scarry?

Blood_Axis
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 04:03 PM
I have found the smoking addiction to be mostly a psychological/life-style related one rather than a physical one. At least so most of my smoking acquaintances admit (and I come from no1 smoking country of Europe :rolleyes:).

It is perhaps due to the cultural stereotype that smoking makes you look "cool", blowing smoke on somebody's face is "sexy", a woman's hand holding a slim cigarette attached to a pipe is somewhat of a "femme fatale" cliche.

Most people I know, including myself, have been "social smokers", i.e. smoking in public, when in company of others, when in various social settings such as clubs or cafes.

Of course there are heavy smokers who become seriously addicted but who can deny the sociocultural factor? Luckily, smoking advertisements have been banned in most countries.

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 05:01 PM
Most people I know, including myself, have been "social smokers", i.e. smoking in public, when in company of others, when in various social settings such as clubs or cafes.



Yep. Mostly where its going now. and then a 100 percent stop. since I havent smoked cigs for 10 years and been total healthy, and fitness instructor... so why start now the last few months... girls turn me on to that nostalgic trip...

Eiríkr
Tuesday, October 9th, 2007, 08:04 PM
I never got into the disgusting habit. I just want to help my fellow Germanic people.

What Happens to Your Body If You Stop Smoking Right Now?:
http://www.healthbolt.net/2006/07/19/what-happens-to-your-body-if-you-stop-smoking-right-now/

Numerous Reasons to Quit Smoking:
http://www.stop-smoking-techniques.com/ (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stop-smoking-techniques.com%2F)

How to Quit Smoking:
http://www.mahalo.com/How_to_Quit_Smoking (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maha lo.com%2FHow_to_Quit_Smoking)

wikiHow-Smoking:
http://www.wikihow.com/Special:LSearch?fulltext=Search&search=smoking (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiki how.com%2FSpecial%3ALSearch%3Ffulltext%3 DSearch%26search%3Dsmoking)

More Resources:
http://whyquit.com/ (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwhyquit. com%2F)
http://www.lifehacker.com/software/health/how-to-quit-smoking-roundup-116537.php