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superstatt
Sunday, January 2nd, 2005, 02:29 AM
...are they essentially one and the same?

Are they generally a Hallstatt-Boreby blend, or is other admixture invoved?

shockgrrrl
Friday, January 7th, 2005, 12:34 AM
Good question. I have been wondering myself. Their differences, if really any, may have to do with the percentage mixture rate of Hallstatt vs Boreby or Nordic vs Up.

cruhmann
Friday, January 7th, 2005, 03:10 AM
Essentially, Faelid, Falish and Phalian are different terms for the same race. It is a Borreby-Hallstatt cross, with or without smaller amounts of admixture of Bruenn and/or Atlanto-Meditteranean and/or Bell-Beaker and/or possibly other types in different regions, that occurs primarily in northern Germany, Denmark and some areas in the northern part of the Netherlands. Some here disagree with this, saying that this is just a blond Cro-Magnon that is dolicho-to mesocephalic with a short/broad face. Personally, I'd like to see data for these regions that shows a correlation in these populations between dolicho/mesocephaly and short, broad faces. Generally the broader the head, the broader the face in these areas. The only disharmony that occurs here is that of largish, broadish heads with comparitively longer, narrower faces, a sort of dinaricization, but this is not as common as individuals who have both faces and heads that are intermediate in size and dimensions of the Borreby and Hallstatt (Nordic) end-types. The amount of each element in the blend can vary from place to place, and from individual to individual. The Borreby element is strongest in places like the Fehmarn Island (ave CI-83.6) and Probstei district of Schleswig-Holstein (CI-83.2), along with the Jaeren district, Rogaland province, Norway (CI-83.2), and certain fishing villages on the southwest coast of Sweden. As one spreads out from these areas, the Borreby element decreases gradually, and Westphalia has an ave. CI of about 80.
As for the Dalodaelid/Dalo-Nordic type, some experts say that this is synonymous with the Faelid or Phalian type, and they include in this type certain areas of central Sweden. Others say either the type simply doesn't exist there or they state that it is a mix of Hallstatt with East Baltic or some other type. Still others again bring up a dolicocephalic/short-broad-face type, which may or may not be true in this case. I haven't seen enough reliable data on this area to make a judgement one way or the other. Of course, as always, these are just my opinions - based on the writings of various authors and experts I have read.

superstatt
Monday, January 10th, 2005, 08:34 AM
thx for the explanation.

It would be interesting to compare pictures of Northwest German/Denmark Faelids to pictures of the Dalodaelid/Dalo-Nordic type that exists in Central Sweden. If the phenotypes match up reasonably well then maybe one can conclude that they are related, if not essentially the same type.

I read that Gunther believed that Faelids were a distinct type and that von Eickstedt considered them a Nordic sub-type. Which of these two anthropologists gets more recognition on this subject?

Agrippa
Saturday, January 15th, 2005, 03:02 AM
Yes, its all the same.

The Dalofaelid type in the classical sense, at least in Germany, is not the result of mixture but a North European Cromagnid form, but there are others which have a different opinion...

You can find this Cromagnid type in almost every area of the Germanic core and he is probably one of the oldest types of Europe.

shockgrrrl
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 06:18 AM
Dalofaelid

May I have more info on this? I kinda of know what Faelid is... also I have read this, http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=18347 . But the two Dalo and faelid combined would be interestingly defined. :thumbup

Agrippa
Sunday, March 13th, 2005, 04:06 PM
Nordgau correctly said once:


The "discoverer" of the Phalians, Paudler, baptised them "dalische Rasse" in 1924, after the Swedish region Dalarne ("the valleys"). Günther renamed that subrace a few years later in "fälische Rasse", because he found that type to be more typical for Westphalia.

In the name "dalofälid", put into the discussion by Peters a few years later, both's views live on. "Dalofälid" also is the correect term, if you want to let apply nomenclatorical rules in the sphere of subspecies, because Peters as first wrote down a name for that race in Latin (homo sapiens europaeus dalofaelicus).

Germaniathane
Thursday, August 16th, 2018, 04:11 AM
...are they essentially one and the same?

Are they generally a Hallstatt-Boreby blend, or is other admixture invoved?

Well yes , the Faelid/Falish/Phalian and Dalic are just subtypes or subvarieties of the greater Dalofaelid subracial type of the Nordid.

Germaniathane
Thursday, August 16th, 2018, 04:31 AM
...are they essentially one and the same?

Are they generally a Hallstatt-Boreby blend, or is other admixture invoved?

Wrong about this! The Dalofaelid is not a Hallstatt-Borreby blend! It is a Cromagnid Nordid variety .