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Rahul
Tuesday, May 20th, 2003, 04:30 PM
The primal fire sacrifice (Agni) comes from the original Vedic culture - I don't know or I have not yet felt or experienced anything of the same, in terms of fervour and nature which the Indo-Aryan Agni has enabled.

Agni is also spoken as Atharvan of the ancients. Atharvan was the Iranian sacrifice altar. That tradition lived not only in the Mithraic Pars but also in the Zoroastrian state which was to come later.

And it is with respect to this adherence of the Aryans which the Arab/Semite has found a zeal, in attacking by denouncing and propagating their own myths about that moment when Islam had arrived and the fires of Iran and Bharat turned cold. Even today, outside Persepolis' ruins, there is a shrine of Atharvan which is illumined by the light and warmth of this great primal god, which Heraclitis termed as the source of all being and the primal creation itself.

Agni has always been the essential invoker of any given sacrifice which the Vedic gods received. And it takes that to our fathers, our ancestors in that ancient line of the Bharatas and Pars. It is the father of all three human castes.

It is also the father of the truth and order (Rtajata). Born to the ten waves of oceans, it is a god which wills life in all. It destroys evil and all darkness and even if it dies, it will be born again (Dwijanmana), we are assured.

There is a lot more to Agni. But I give my oblations by offering my self to our fathers and the great King Varuna, and all the gods besides him.

Ederico
Tuesday, May 20th, 2003, 04:52 PM
That is a highly interesting post Rahul. I would like to gain a deeper knowledge of these Lores, but even more important to me would be drawing the correlation between the Vedic Lores and the Pre-Christian European ones to make them more understandable to the European peoples in terms of Traditions and Lores and lost Wisdom.

Also what about Zorastrians and the Mithraic Pars? I know that there was Mithraic Cult in Ancient Rome and I have also heard that this practice was common within the Germanics that where in some way or another connected to Rome, but I do not know about this Latin/Germanic relationship. How do you comment?

Rahul
Tuesday, May 20th, 2003, 05:13 PM
Bring to the Fire in his strength a Word for the traveler of earth and heaven who, in the lap of all the Immortals, the universal godhead, grows by those who are ever wakeful.

Fire, sought for, was set in heaven and in earth, the leader of the rivers, the Bull of things that are stable; he shines upon the human peoples, the universal godhead growing by that which is supreme.

In fear of thee the black Tribe, creatures unharmonious, came away casting behind them their enjoyments, when O Fire, O universal godhead, thy light shone upon man when thou torest them and flamedst forth in his front.

O Fire, O universal godhead, earth and heaven and the mid-realm clove to the triple law of thy workings; shining with thy uninterrupted flame thou hast spread out the, two firmaments by thy light.

To thee, O Fire, the Words, thy shining horses, impetuous and luminous cleave in their desire, to the universal godhead, lord of the peoples, charioteer of the Riches, ray of intuition of the dawns and the days.

Into thee, the Shining Ones cast the Mightiness, for they clove to thy will, O friendly Light; O Fire, thou threwest the Destroyers out from the house bringing to birth a wide Light for the Aryan.

As thou camest to birth in the supreme ether at once as Vayu thou didst guard the path, thou criest aloud bringing to birth the worlds, according them as a gift to the Son, O knower of all things born!

O Fire, O universal godhead, O knower of all things born, send into us that luminous impulsion by which, O thou in whom are all desirable things, thou nourishest the achievement of a wide inspired knowledge for the mortal giver.

O Fire, join to us within, to us made masters of the riches a plenitude of the knowledge inspired wide in its store; O universal godhead, do thou in union with the Rudras and the Vasus extend to us a vast peace.

Rahul
Tuesday, May 20th, 2003, 05:45 PM
I do not know, but I often hear about Janus and how that god may have a common origin with Agni and Heimdall.

Also, we have Mercury, and we have Maruts with Indra.

Then we have Vena and Venus.

But ideal would be an attempt to see sincere meaning in all of it.

I lost a major post as a result of a power-failure. I will post more later.

Ederico
Tuesday, May 20th, 2003, 09:52 PM
Is Agni the Universal Godhead, and what does that represent?

Moody
Monday, June 2nd, 2003, 06:41 PM
Of course, the Greek god Prometheus brought fire down from heaven to mankind.
Nietzsche called the Promthean legend a primal Aryan myth.
Recognition here of mankind's first discovery of how to harness fire - an incredible leap forward in human technology.

In ancient Rome there was the Eternal Fire altar - if the fire was ever allowed to go out, then the city would fall.
This was continued in the rituals of Fascism and National Socialism.

To the Vikings, dead chieftains were to recieve a Sutee-like fire funeral. The chieftain and his servants all to be burnt in a long-boat as it set out for the final voyage into the sea.
The spirit of the dead ascended in the smoke.

And perhaps the warrior policy of 'scorched earth' attacks originally had a spiritual significance.

Fire as a purifier.

One thinks of the burning crosses of the KKK.

Rahul
Tuesday, June 3rd, 2003, 04:05 PM
A name for fire is Pramantha, in Vedic. The leap in technology also enabled the Aryan humanity to understand much in life, of its limitless value and meaning and how it can be a force to create and generate life anew.(Agni as Sperm for instance.)

Of course, the Greek god Prometheus brought fire down from heaven to mankind.

The Viking fire-funeral ritual is most appealing, as something which actually connects past with the future and the race with its ancestry.