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Dalkvist
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 08:34 AM
There are a lot of blondes between Lebanese Christians. Are they Nordids?

Corvin
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 01:48 PM
No, but they are definetelly beautiful! (Short answer).

NO. Lebanese Christians have blood influences from:
Greeks, Romans, French. However, in reality the blonds are really few!. Most of the blonds that you will see are dark blonds or brown haired women. Due to the advancements that occured to the American Chemical Industry the last 70 years, the blond de-colorants are very frequent! :D
It is very common for dark blond women or brown haired women to make the hair blond, and is somehow compatible with their skin. A visit to a local supermarket will remove from you any doubt.
Corvin
PS: If before you visit Lebanon, you want to visit Israel CANCEL IT! At the borders they will not allow you visit, since, if you have a stamp in your passport from Israel you are considered non-persona grata.

Master-of-Swords
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 05:51 PM
Not everything that's blond is Nordid.
I am led to believe by scientists that only Nordics can have blond or red hair.


There are a lot of blondes between Lebanese Christians. Are they Nordids?
From my limited knowledge/experience many of them are indistinguishable from northern Europeans, no doubt decendants of crusader knights.
Good blood is never wasted or extinguished.

zenos316
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 08:16 PM
I am led to believe by scientists that only Nordics can have blond or red hair.

Yeah those Australian Aborigines are really Nordics arent they......

Northern Paladin
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 08:29 PM
Yeah those Australian Aborigines are really Nordics arent they......

Straight fine textured blonde hair however is a Nordic trait.

jugurtha
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 10:30 PM
From my limited knowledge/experience many of them are indistinguishable from northern Europeans, no doubt decendants of crusader knights.
Good blood is never wasted or extinguished.

You are right.

The VERY european looking, and VERY nordic looking Middle Eastern have their roots oustide ME, precisely they have their roots from Europe. It is a well known fact as recorded from history.

You cannot find, nordic looking people among dark, non white people, if they do not have recent European admixture.

Or they were inbreeding for 5000 Years, such thing that I cannot believe.

Evolved
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 11:21 PM
Lebanese Christian women love to look like fake Europeans and seem to equate looking skanky with looking "Western" (unfortunately I think that is true). The blonds are usually of the peroxide variety and colored contacts are a popular fashion accessory. Plastic surgery is common.

Here is one somewhat "Nordish" looking Lebanese girl, however going by her name (Carole Dib) she is probably half-Lebanese.

http://www.w6w.com/w6w.php?pic=123284

http://www.w6w.com/w6w.php?pic=123280

She still looks Arab to me, though.

Miss Lebanon: http://www.misslebanon.info/ & http://www.misslebanon2003.com/index.asp

Lebanese Beauties Forum: http://www.voy.com/102831/

http://www.achabaka.com/cpanel/article/pictures/lebanese-girl-2202.jpg

http://www.arasale.com/secure/ml/cynthia.jpg

http://www.gate30.com/yeey/img/models/pamela66.jpg

http://www.gate30.com/yeey/img/models/pamela11.jpg

http://www.cyrineabdelnour.com/0.JPG

ScotchTape
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 05:22 AM
If Lebanon is anything like Syria, then it has many blonds. Just like most Caucasoid countries, the women in Syria/Lebanon dye their hair blond quite frequently. Colored contacts aren't as popular as many people have light eyes and dark eyes are considered a sign of beauty as well.
However, a Hallstatt nordic complete with blond hair blue eyes would be pretty hard to find since most lebanese/syrians tend to look more like southern europeans than the northern european ones. Again, like in most caucasoid countries, kids are usually lighter haired and tend to have lighter eyes than adults.
http://www.beirutnightlife.com/html/modules/4nAlbum/album/Events/porscheclub/porsche13.jpg

Sigurdr
Friday, July 22nd, 2005, 07:55 AM
From my limited knowledge/experience many of them are indistinguishable from northern Europeans, no doubt decendants of crusader knights.
Good blood is never wasted or extinguished.
Agreed.I think the same.But few lebaneses are really "northern"type,on anthropological sense.

Rhydderch
Saturday, July 23rd, 2005, 06:03 AM
You cannot find, nordic looking people among dark, non white people, if they do not have recent European admixture.A straighter nosed and blond Orientalid would easily be classed as Nordic/Nordid by some people. It's a simple matter of inheriting the hair colour genes which code for blond hair, and these genes are present to some extent in parts of the Middle east, probably from very early times.


Or they were inbreeding for 5000 Years, such thing that I cannot believe.One can find many Dinarics in Ireland, but I highly doubt that this is because they have been inbreeding for over three thousand years; it's a recombination of genes in their original form.

Todesritter
Saturday, July 23rd, 2005, 06:15 AM
I am led to believe by scientists that only Nordics can have blond or red hair. Gawd and I told those pesky scientists to knock it off, and quit tricking people like that!

Darn scientists need a lesson .:awife


Seriously, are we sure these were scientists, and not perhaps they Scientologists?


http://www.beautyanalysis.com/images/pg42RF---Tom-Cruise-%5BB%5D-.jpghttp://www.filmkultura.iif.hu:8080/articles/films/images/tarant/2.jpg
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/%7Edst/Fishman/time-cover.402x536x8.gifhttp://www.unc.edu/%7Eunclng/scientology.jpg

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, July 23rd, 2005, 06:25 AM
I think Lebanese and Syrian blonds are real. A guy at the post office, blond curly hair and blue eyes is Syrian-speaks Arabic with his homies, etc. so he is real. A girl I worked with once was about 6 feet tall, blond, blue-eyed. Her mother was German but her father was Lebanese. She credited her father with her blond hair. She said he had dark blond/light brown hair and light eyes.

alphaknave
Monday, July 25th, 2005, 03:50 AM
Just to give my 2 cents:
My freind is Lebanese and all his traits point that way accept he has blue eyes....bluer than mine. Im jealous!

Glenlivet
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005, 01:48 AM
Different levels of depigmentation of the hair is called blondism. Not only yellowish hair is blondism. Yellowish or reddish hair shades are found among Lebanese and Syrians. I have seen a few (all men). They can have blue eyes, blonde (but rarely if ever with the fine texture of Scando-Nordids) and rosy skin, sometimes combined. They still do not look Nordid. I have seen Turks who look pred. Nordid though, but I have always asked them because I was curious. They always had some sort of non-Turkish ancestry. There are also many blondish Iraqis.

A lot of fair Lebanese are tall and gracile Dinaroids. Some are short and stocky Assyroids (Arabid-Armenoid, lower-skulled than the latter).

Syrian president Bashar Al-Assad has blue eyes. Does he look Nordid? No, he does not. He look Assyroid, but he has a nose which almost look Alpinoid influenced (I have seen the same trait before, in an Assyrian boy who went to school with me).

He has a weak retreating chin (non-Nordid), non-Nordid aquiline nose, a very high skull and a flat occiput (non-Nordid). He also has a curly hair texture one rarely see among Nordids.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/42/424/424969/libanonXassad.jpghttp://www.modkraft.dk/images/nyheder/Bashar.jpg

Real Arabs are the bedouins. Most Syrians and Lebanese are arabised. You can also find blondism among Philistines.

Proto-Nordid looks might be found among Kurds, but I doubt among Syrians. There are also Pontid Syrians, but the majority seem brachycephalic and that type is long-headed.

The Middle East is indeed diverse like Europe. However, not all blondism there is because of a mystical Nordid origin.

QuietWind
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005, 02:15 AM
Real Arabs are the bedouins. Most Syrians and Lebanese are arabised. You can also find blondism among Philistines.

Proto-Nordid looks might be found among Kurds, but I doubt among Syrians. There are also Pontid Syrians, but the majority seem brachycephalic and that type is long-headed.

The Middle East is indeed diverse like Europe. However, not all blondism there is because of a mystical Nordid origin.
Would you say that the Syrian woman called Asmahan is a good example of a Syrian Pontid? (I am not familiar with pontids, so if she is not, what would you generally classify her as?)

http://www.theconnection.org/content/2004/03/03/asmahan173.jpg

http://www.maroc.net/newrc/img/sb/asmahan.jpg

http://dwc.hct.ac.ae/lrc/publications/arab%20women/images/asmafanimage1.jpg

http://www.bel-abbes.com/photos/vrac/asmahan18nb.jpg

http://www.asmahan.net/

Glenlivet
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005, 02:41 AM
I think that she look Pontid in those pictures. I am not sure of her ethnic background. Razmig once wrote she is Turkish, but I do not know what he based it on.

I also forgot to say another thing. There are many Circassians in Syria, Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. They have blondism too. Many left northern Caucasus during the Caucasian wars of the 19th century.



Would you say that the Syrian woman called Asmahan is a good example of a Syrian Pontid? (I am not familiar with pontids, so if she is not, what would you generally classify her as?)

QuietWind
Tuesday, July 26th, 2005, 03:41 AM
I think that she look Pontid in those pictures. I am not sure of her ethnic background. Razmig once wrote she is Turkish, but I do not know what he based it on.

I also forgot to say another thing. There are many Circassians in Syria, Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon. They have blondism too. Many left northern Caucasus during the Caucasian wars of the 19th century.
The last link above has her biography. I'm not familiar with the geography or peoples mentioned in it. Perhaps you can figure out where specifically she is from or what people she is of?


Asmahan's Biography
Her real name is Amal Al Atrache. Sister of the Great Farid El Atrache (http://www.farid-el-atrache.com/). Their parents are Princess Alia and Prince Fahd Al Atrache. After the great success that Farid had been in the national radio station as a singer, his sister's talent was discovered by Mouhammad Al Qasabji, and she was given, by Daoud Housni(who later took care of training her), a classy name, Asmahan.

Like the older members of the family, she came from the Djebel Druse where her forebears were the Emirs until Lebanon and Syria became a French mandate.

Born in 1918, she lived in Lebanon until 1920, when her father was appointed Governor of the Province of Demergi in Turkey. He soon returned, however, to spend the remainder of his lifeas an ordinary citizen in his native mountains. Asmahan's father died in 1924, when she was only six, and her family then emigrated to Egypt, where the little princess, who had been cherished by her father, was to experience the hardships which befall a family that has fallen upon evil days. Although of noble origin, her mother Set Aleya was reduced to singing at private parties to support herself and her children, three boys and a girl, the future Asmahan. Everyone in the family could sing, but success was only to crown the efforts of the two more gifted: Farid and Asmahan.

Getorix
Saturday, August 6th, 2005, 12:23 PM
Her family is Druze. http://www.belly-dance.org/farid_al-atrache.html

Check this Dodona link for stuff on light pigmented Syrians/Lebanese.

http://dodona.proboards35.com/index.cgi?board=raceclass&action=display&thread=1121022321&page=1

Northern Paladin
Saturday, August 6th, 2005, 05:42 PM
Most of these girls have simply dyed there hair. It's rather obvious. There is nothing Nordid about them. If anything they look offensively artificial.

Getorix
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 03:05 PM
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Here's a pic of two fully Lebanese girls.

Glenlivet
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 04:02 PM
They are cute, but such blondism is found among all Europids, from Iceland to NW Africa and east towards Afghanistan and Kashmir.

We need to find out if there are Lebanese individuals who show blondism with a morphology which is not Armenoid-Assyroid-East-Mediterranid-Arabid/Orientalid.

Those two girls would probably go unnoticed in southern and western Europe.

They are indeed quite fair, both are light-eyed (the left very light-mixed and the right light blue?) and fair-skinned. The left one has chestnut brown hair and the right mousey light brown. The girl on right is not darker than many young English girls. She is lighter than some.

We still do not know how they will look as adults. I have never seen an adult Lebanese with Nordid morphology. I have seen Europid Lebanese though. Blondism is found among Mediterranid children too.

I have noticed that the blondism of Lebanese often fall under the golden series. Ash-blondism is more a Scando-Nordid quality.

Funk, maybe you should post pictures of some adults.

Northern Paladin
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 04:26 PM
The girl on the right looks Litorid. But both appear distinctly levantine.

I once knew a German Jewish girl who looked just like the girl on the right.

Glenlivet
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 04:48 PM
The left girl does not show Armenoid features. It is probably because she is too young.

Well, some Jews have similar racial elements.

I guess it is the expression and the thick lower lip. But we are also looking for something based on her ethnic origin. I am not sure an ordinary person would call them "Levantine looking". They are not stereotypical. Few look at the morphology though. I have known people who have thought that a dark-haired Finnish person with East-Baltid morphology look Mediterranid.


I once knew a German Jewish girl who looked just like the girl on the right.

Scholar
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 07:17 PM
I was thinking the same thing right as I looked at the pictures. Levantine looking definetly. It's like thinking of a song then turning the radio on and it's playing... ;)

Imperator X
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 08:27 PM
Does the fact that they show certain Europid features have anything to do with many of them being Christian? Maybe some European Christians settled or migrated there after the Crusades perhaps? :scratch

Getorix
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 10:52 PM
We need to find out if there are Lebanese individuals who show blondism with a morphology which is not Armenoid-Assyroid-East-Mediterranid-Arabid/Orientalid.Ah, ok, i thought it was more about general light pigmentation.

We still do not know how they will look as adults. I have never seen an adult Lebanese with Nordid morphology.I've never seen anyone from the region with Nordic facial features, and i believe the amount of people with this is close to nil. But light eyes and hair isn't rare among adults either, even though the hair almost always turn much darker with age.

I have seen many people, both kids and adults, with fire red hair though. This is even more common than the ash blondness you were talking about, which does exist in some individuals, even though i have only seen a couple of kids with it.

Here's some pictures of some adults with light hair and blue eyes, the colours aren't really evident in the pictures, but it is just to show the facial features of grown individuals with lighter pigmentation. As is seen, they don't have to show Nordic features to be light.

This guy is 18, and has light brown hair and blue eyes.
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Here it is the guy who is lying down. Light hair for an adult, and light eyes.
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This woman on the right also has light hair and blue eyes, sadly, she looks away and the lack of flash makes her haircolour unclear on the pic. The little girl has blue eyes too.
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I only have pictures of friends and family, so i can't document all the other types, redheads, blondes and similar as i didn't just take pictures of random people on the street, so these very non extreme individuals will have to do. I have more pics with such types, but they don't really contribute anything new to the thread.
As it seems to be unclear what types those girls are, here is some close ups, with pretty bad lighting, and some semi profiles. The reason why i have so many pictures of those girls is because they are my sisters. They are 5 and 3 by the way. The eyes are light blue and blue mixed with green.
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Does the fact that they show certain Europid features have anything to do with many of them being Christian? What do you mean by Europid? If Europid:Caucasoid then 95% of the Syro/Lebanese are Europid.

And it is also a common misconception that light hair and eyes are only common among Christian Lebanese. In reality, it transcends religion, and every Lebanese ethnicity has pretty much the same amount of people who look like this. The groups i noticed with most redheads were the Sunnis, and the group with most blue eyed were the Alawites, which the two girls also belong to. This is of gourse generalisations based on what i've seen, but again, its common to some extend in all groups.

Here is a picture of Syria's President who is also an Alawite and blue eyed.
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/4391/bashar7rd.jpg
It seems very random which phenotypes are present in each individual, as it seems like practically anyone can get blue eyed children down there, which means they all must have blue eyed ancestors or what?

Almost every family with more than 5 kids have a couple with blue/green eyes, and a bunch with light hair, while the rest of the kids look more typical.

Heh, and on the pictures of those Lebanese women, i'm baffled that anyone could mistake that for real blondness! Take the dye away and they look like typical Lebanese women.

jaaxa
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 02:23 PM
I am led to believe by scientists that only Nordics can have blond or red hair.

I don't know about that. Bi-racial mother and her 3/4 white daughter:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v381/jazelle1/vrowell.jpg