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Von Braun
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 01:42 AM
[Actually, a flow chart would be better, but the poll does not allow that format.]

What do you think is within the realm of possibility and what do you think will actually happen with this most important of issues? It seems that more and more people are accepting the notion that we have to wait for a post-apocalyptic "rebound effect" for us to achieve self-determination in one or more parts of the world. The issue is will a breakdown help us (by giving us another chance via a "reshuffling" of the deck) or hurt us (the chaos will be too hard to ever control). Others have hope that we can steer clear of this scenario and influence one or more current nation-states to implement our ideology.

Von Braun
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 02:03 AM
A rough definition can be provided.

It is a radical change in the way of life for people living in Western countries, where the change consists of some or all of the following: a tremendous increase in crime, famine, shortages of other basic necessities (as for luxuries, forget it) the presence of nuclear fallout, geopolitical fracturing, the end of "pax americana" (aka pax judaica)---hurray :) , among other drastic changes.

Von Braun
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 02:29 AM
It has to be noticably larger than anything like it in the past, by at least an order of magnitude.

Von Braun
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 06:48 AM
As William Pierce pointed out, authoritarian societies can last for a long time, but societies that are corrupt are inevitably doomed. They choke on their own decadence. Indeed, the West in general and the u.s. in particular are becoming more authoritarian, but they are also becoming more corrupt, in no small part because of multiculturalism. This Orwellian state of affairs cannot last long.

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 01:48 PM
I don't see the state of the world getting any better or any freer in the near future, definately not in my lifetime.

It's time we think in terms of generations. What will best serve the generations that come after we have passed should be our focus.

I have no hope for any racial idependence or white homeland for myself, but my grandkids or great-grandkids may have the chance and that's why I continue. My life and deeds are a bridge for them and their contemporaries.

Ederico
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 03:02 PM
To achieve Racial Self-Determination we need a shock to the system to infiltrate power positions and subsequently we must put into force a broad Social Revolution geared towards the Racialisation of the Europid masses. Eventually the Revolution will be gradual over a certain amount of decades and not a sudden shock or apocalyptic breakdown and subsequent Messianic return or rule.

The strenghtening of an Authoritarian Political Correctness and Liberalism and a Global Capitalist System will see their overcoming be restricted to the utmost. I support Legal Measures to the overcoming of these negative barriers towards our Racial Self-Determination in Europe, but eventually the time will come when European Racialists will be restricted and chained by the System that will not like every system permit a Revolution aimed at destabilising the System in order to annihilate it and replace it with a better order. Unfortunately through Indoctrination and Degeneracy the Masses support the Corrupt System which negates the Masses their Self-Determination as a Racial Folk.

If we do not see a Social Revolution affecting Europe within out lifetime we might as well sow its seeds. The worst that can happen to Europe is another Fratricidal War aimed at destroying the current System.

StrÝbog
Monday, May 12th, 2003, 09:11 PM
There is nothing in life that says that 'just' causes triumph or that the apparent best will thrive. Life isn't fair, and that's the way it is.
I think all government is more or less evil, the question is, is it a necessary evil, or not? I am fond of the Mencken quote that Thorburn mentioned. I don't trust any humans, Aryan or not, to govern over me. Every society is corrupt to some extent, and becomes decadent and falls, authoritarian or not. That is simply human nature, and it won't change any time soon, if ever.
From a Darwinian perspective, no government is the way to go, as all groups compete with no outside influence. Is this to be preferred from our perspective? I don't know, but it is worth considering.
Right now, we are being outcompeted. Just because we have better cognitive abilities on average than Negroes does not make us 'superior.' Superiority is relative in all but one respect, and that is in ability to survive. Right now, European man seems to lack the ability to survive. We may well be wiped off the planet. I don't believe in some Messianic destiny that will magically save us. We may get our act together and save ourselves at the last minute, but it looks dim right now. The dinosaurs ruled the planet for 150 million years; any observer near the end of the Cretaceous would have declared them to be 'fittest' or 'superior' and would have expected them to thrive, populating the planet with their descendants. Lo and behold, that didn't happen. Circumstances changed, and the 'superior' dinosaurs were unable to adapt. Lowly creatures resembling the rat and the opossum were the heirs to the dinosaurs' kingdom. Who is to say that the same fate does not await us?

Von Braun
Saturday, May 17th, 2003, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by Sigrun
I don't see the state of the world getting any better or any freer in the near future, definately not in my lifetime.

It's time we think in terms of generations. What will best serve the generations that come after we have passed should be our focus.

I have no hope for any racial idependence or white homeland for myself, but my grandkids or great-grandkids may have the chance and that's why I continue. My life and deeds are a bridge for them and their contemporaries.

I disagree with your pessimism, but even if I knew for sure that I would not live to see this homeland, I would still contribute as I have been and as I am now contributing.

I think you have a wonderful, selfless attitude. :)

Von Braun
Saturday, May 17th, 2003, 03:59 AM
Edric, it seems as if the proces to which you are referring to has already begun in Europe (Haider, Le Pen, et. al.) and is a few steps behind here in the u.s. Do you think that this effort should have a broad or narrow geographic focus?

Von Braun
Saturday, May 17th, 2003, 04:07 AM
Right now, we are being outcompeted. Just because we have better cognitive abilities on average than Negroes does not make us 'superior.' Superiority is relative in all but one respect, and that is in ability to survive. Right now, European man seems to lack the ability to survive.

You are missing the point: we are being outcompeted because of a very trivial flaw: we are too nice to win. You know, if it wasn't so tragic, it would be funny. History clearly shows that we win when we want to win. If we are unfit in any sense, it is in the area of the conscience (letting ours be infiltrated). Other than that, we have the intelligence and manpower to rid the world of all of our enemies (its still not too late) if we wanted to expend the time and energy. You and I both know that.

StrÝbog
Saturday, May 17th, 2003, 06:24 AM
we are being outcompeted because of a very trivial flaw: we are too nice to win

It won't seem trivial when we are extinct.

Le Pen and Haider are both pebbles in the pond. Europe is still almost entirely left-wing, pro-immigrant, anti-racist, etc. I don't see things getting any better in the future, here or there. Enoch Powell and George Wallace couldn't hold back the wave in the 60's when people were still largely sympathetic to racism in various forms; what makes you think that Le Pen and Haider can do anything now, with their small entourages?

Ederico
Saturday, May 17th, 2003, 02:37 PM
I am with Fionn on this one regarding Europe. Haider and Le Pen and other Right-Wing forces are too weak and oppressed in every move they make to safeguard a future for their people, besides they do not even admit a Racial component to their mild form of Nationalism which they espouse.

The future does look grim, and it is not some minority that is suffering through persecution but a majority of Europeans that are being dispossessed of their Lands, their States, and their Societies by hordes of non-European Immigrants of both past, and present, not to mention the future, and by all those traitors in power that ascribe to our ruin. Europe is fast becoming a Political Correct Police State where you cannot express a divergent opinion unless you want to remain unpersecuted. The future does look grim, hopefully the persecution might help some people recognise the evils of modern Europe.

jagdmesser
Tuesday, July 30th, 2019, 10:39 PM
The United States did not stay on top of the world for too long. Bipolar times are coming again. The world will be different in the future, and everyone understands it already today. What kind of the world will it be? What centers of power will the new world have? What price do we have to pay for this change? Inna Novikova, Pravda.Ru editor-in-chief asked these questions to Leonid Krutakov, Russian political scientist, journalist, analyst, associate professor of the Financial University under the Government of the Russian Federation.



"The world has been getting bipolar, and the USA has been losing its role of the global supremacist state. However, an alternative to today's world order has not been formed yet. What forms can it take and how can this change happen?"


"Indeed, we are actually entering the bipolar period again. There are interests of one group of countries and there are interests of another group of countries. During the previous bipolar era, it was the USSR that was acting as the locomotive. These days, it is obvious that China will take the role of the USSR instead. This peculiarity has its own pluses and minuses for Russia.

"Not too long ago, Russia had found itself within the Washington Consensus, where we were not even third class passengers, but rather firemen, whose role was to throw coal into the oven of the big ship.

"It is clear that China's role and position is closer to Russia unlike to the role of theWest. Russia had been trying to open that door to the West, but the West never let us enter. Russia eventually turned its back on that door to see a giant on the other side. This giant is China, and this giant told us that it was ready to work with us.

"We are creating a new format. We develop political cooperation, we hold joint military drills, we conduct economic cooperation, we build pipelines together. There is a new project for the development of the Arctic, where China and India will be key stakeholders, because the Northern Sea Route will be used targeting only Asian markets.

"The economic and political consolidation of Eurasia as a continent is underway. In the past, Eurasia was divided into two different markets - Europe and Asia. Russia was something like a black hole, the Trans-Siberian Railway was hardly ever used. These days, we can eyewitness the formation of joint Eurasia.

"For China and Eurasia, Europe is a small peninsula, not the center of the world. China is a 1.5-billion-strong nation, while Europe has a population of 500 million, which is only a third of the population of China. India is a 1.3 billion-strong country. The population of the Earth is seven billion. If we combine China, India and Indochina, we will have a half of the population of the planet.

"If you look at the map of China's "One Belt - One Road" initiative, you will see several ways there. There is a ground way, a way through the Suez Canal, and the Northern Sea Route was also included in this project. We can see all of Eurasia integrating, and the process is taking place under new conditions.

"All of this comes as a catastrophe for the island civilization of the Anglo-Saxons, who cannot help but wonder what their role will be in all that. They still control the sea and supplies by sea, they still set the rules. What if other countries take over? What will be the point of the Sixth Fleet in the Persian Gulf then?

"The United States is witnessing a decline of the American empire now. Therefore, they start yelling more, they threaten more, they intimidate others more, but they do all that against the background of the growing influence of China and Russia."



"Well, it has always been the same. This is natural. Some countries become great powers, but empires rise and fall."


"Of course, but for those who rise, this is a prospect, and for those who fall - this is a disaster. Therefore, they will resist and fight. They still have enough force, they can still control a lot. However, I have a feeling of a serious threat, a global cataclysm looming. Those who have been cornered, they can attack to kill in order to survive."




"Unfortunately, you are not the first to say this, although we would like to hope that reason will prevail. After all, it is very true that after the Third World War, the next war will be fought with batons and sticks."


"This is true, but for the elite, the main issue is not even money. They want domination and power. If in order to preserve their power, they will have to exterminate a half of the population of the Earth, they will go for it, without a second thought."



"Even if they survive, how are they going to live amid total destruction afterwards?"


"I think they have their bunkers ready. The key issue here is not about the loss of money, because power converts into money, and money converts into power. Yet, it is power that comes first, but not money. Money is a tool to use power. This is their standpoint."



Pravada - World War Three will break out when American empire collapses (http://www.pravdareport.com/world/142572-world_war_three/) 30 Jul 2019.






Paul Craig Roberts talks a lot about WW III.


Maybe now we'll realize the cost of universalism, globalism and why we should have left the undeveloped world undeveloped for Nature to take care of because it's clear we can't.

SaxonPagan
Tuesday, July 30th, 2019, 10:54 PM
World War Three will break out when American empire collapses

Empires rise and fall. I don't know how history will judge the American one but there will be a lot of fallout when it goes down, that much is certain.

Still, I'm surprised we've come this far TBQH. The threat of nuclear war was very grave at one time and seemed to be almost constant when I was growing up. It occurred to me not to save anything for the future because I didn't expect to still be around in 2019, but I'm quite glad I did now :)

These things are almost impossible to predict. I was going through some old threads on here the other evening and the imminent collapse of the USA was being predicted 15 years ago.