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Awar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 02:11 PM
I've found possible relatives in Prussia.
The family surname ( and variants are )

SCHUETZ
SCHUTZ
SCHÜTZL
SCHÜTZLE
SCHÜTZLER
SCHEITZ

I've tested my Y-chromosome, and found that I belong to
the E3b haplogroup, of a specific sub-clade alpha which originated
in the Balkans. The Balkan origin is determined with the DYS460 value being at 9, which these families also have. We also share more than 20 haplotypes, which points to these families being related to mine genetically.

But, that's not all. Recently I realized that my surname ( which is Slavic ) means 'Soldier' or 'Warrior' ( in archaic or modern form, in several Slavic languages ).
The surname of these families has that same meaning, only in Germanic form.

This is the only information I've found about these families:


SCHÜTZ family lived at
Laugallen, Kr. Heydekrug, Ostpreussen c1800-1850.
Some moved to Danzig.

I think they traced their oldest ancestor, a person named
Johann Christian SCHÜTZ 1790 - 1860.

Also:


Earliest documented record is
Christian SCHÜTZ / SCHUETZ, aka Johann Christian,
born c1801, living c1820-1845 Laugallen/Kukoreiten/Mantwieden,
Kr. Heydekrug, Ostpreussen (now Lithuania 2003). Later, some of
this SCHÜTZ / SCHUETZ family lived in Danzig c1855-1892.
Children of Christian & Juliana (geb. MOSTAEDT/MOSTAIT) SCHÜTZ were Friederike Wilhelmine, Johann Christian, Carl Ferdinand, Friedrich Wilhelm, Amalie, Gottlieb -- all christianed Evangelsche at Laugallen.


My family, has had its Slavic surname since the early 17th century, and
lived in Montenegro. They were all Orthodox Christians.
Judging by the genetic data and the age, I think the Schuetz ( and variant surnames ) have splintered from my family, and then became Germanized
at some point in their existence.

There's also a part of my family which became Albanized some 150-200 years ago. They carry a phonetically similar, Albanized version of my surname.

I'd much appreciate if anyone can find any information on how
this family got from the Balkans into East Prussia, how from Montenegrins they became Germanic Prussians. The surname's meaning possibly could be an indicator.

Maybe this could be a basis for an interesting novel :D

Just throw some information in.
Thanks in advance!

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:03 PM
Hm, I don´t mean to discourage you but Schütz isn´t a very seldom name in Germany and it also doesn´t necessarily mean "warrior", more likely "protector".
For genealogical research you should try http://www.ancestry.com/trees/

Stephen
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:07 PM
AWAR, I know a Schütz named person here, and he is jewish. He says, that his grandfather Salamon Schütz died in Mauthausen.
Not sure that this info helped or not.

Awar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Hm, I don´t mean to discourage you but Schütz isn´t a very seldom name in Germany and it also doesn´t necessarily mean "warrior", more likely "protector".
For genealogical research you should try http://www.ancestry.com/trees/

Yes, but this isn't about just the surname, it's about the fact
that my Y-chromo haplotype is almost identical to two of these Schuetz families.
More than 20 haplotypes and a similarity in the surname.

My surname has the Slavic meaning which can be interpreted in those ways.
'Soldier', 'Warrior', 'Battle', etc.

Pomor
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:02 PM
Awar is just looking for an apology to stay in the Germanic Skadi :D j/k

Awar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:46 PM
Awar is just looking for an apology to stay in the Germanic Skadi :D j/k

Nah, I just want to find a Germanic family and show them their Montenegrin, Slavi roots. :D

Awar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:45 PM
Thanks to Prussian_Au for the links!!!

Willem
Friday, September 9th, 2005, 04:35 AM
Awar has an interesting SCHUETZ posting, and I wonder whether he and I have corresponded? If we did, my 78 years are not helping my memory. Apparently Awar, you saw a website or two of mine, but I am especially intrigued by your Y-DNA items because, to date, I lack anyone close to my Y-DNA -- by close, I mean later than 1700. Awar, did you have factual ancestors in Kr. Heydekrug, Ostpreussen? I hope we have further facts to compare.

Hagalaz
Friday, September 9th, 2005, 06:44 AM
My grandmother's maiden name on my polish side was "Sommerfeld" which derives from German, but I've heard it's rare in Germany. Then again, perhaps, one of my ancestors was a long bearded rabbi... :P
Oh well, that side of the family is extremely nordish at least :D

Willem
Wednesday, October 26th, 2005, 04:03 AM
There are/were considerable SOMMERFELD, aka SOMMERFELDT in Germany, past and present. For example -
1. More than 800 SOMMERFELD listed in the 2005 German telephone directory, including 300+ in Berlin.
2. The LDS website at www.familysearch.com (http://www.familysearch.com) has 400+, mostly northern Germany in the 1800's.

If you have kin names born in the 1800's, there might be some interesting possibilities for you.

JunelleQ
Wednesday, October 26th, 2005, 09:13 AM
Was just curious on how much did it cost to get the DNA Y chromosome tested. I know I am female and can't participate in such testing but still like to know.

Willem
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 03:22 AM
Y-DNA analysis is USD 100 and up, depending on what is desired.
Your father or brother would be good dna donators.

1. If lucky, some surname group will already be interested in your family surname.
One good list of projects ongoing are at "Chris Pomery's DNA Portal",
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~allpoms/genetics.html

2. For specific pricing try companies, such as
www.familytreedna.com (http://www.familytreedna.com)
www.ethnoancestry.com (http://www.ethnoancestry.com)

Willem
Friday, January 12th, 2018, 05:09 AM
Hello again:

Some updates can be added to those former 2004-2005 entries of SCHÜTZ in Ostpreussen,
such as that SCHÜTZ family of Laugallen, Kr. Heydekrug came,
circa 1800 via Budwethen, Kr. Ragnit, from Oszeninken, Kr. Ragnit. Also, the
earliest SCHÜTZ I could identify for Oszeninken was Shuhmachermeister
Johann SCHÜTZ circa 1747-1820, and his wife Christina Dorothea geb. SCHMIDTIN.
The data needs further documentation, so please be careful.

For this SCHÜTZ lineage, the Ydna has been extended from V13 thru Z5018 >
FGC11451 > FGC11450 > FGC11447 to the provisional terminal of BY4800 / FGC11490.

Best wishes from Willem