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Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:40 AM
Which Germanic tribe has the most impressive history and achievements? I only included the most famous tribes in the poll.

List of Germanic tribes


Alamanni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamanni)
Ambrones (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Ambrones&action=edit)
Ampsivarii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampsivarii)
Angles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles)
Angrivarii (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Angrivarii&action=edit)
Batavii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavii)
Bavarii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarii)
Bructeri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bructeri)
Burgundians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgundians)
Canninefates (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Canninefates&action=edit)
Chamavi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Chamavi&action=edit)
Chasuarii (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Chasuarii&action=edit)
Chauci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauci)
Cherusci (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherusci)
Chatti (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatti)
Cimbri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimbri)
Dani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daner)
Dulgubnii (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Dulgubnii&action=edit)
Fosi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Fosi&action=edit)
Franks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks)
Frisians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians)
Geats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geats)
Gepidae (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gepidae)
Goths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths)
Harii (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Harii&action=edit)
Helisii (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Helisii&action=edit)
Helvetii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helvetii)
Heruli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heruli)
Hermunduri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermunduri)
Ingvaeones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingvaeones) (North Sea Germans)
Irminones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irminones) (Elbe Germans)
Istvaeones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istvaeones) (Rhine-Weser Germans)
Jutes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutes)
Lemovii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemovii)
Lombards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lombards) or Langobardes
Lugii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lugii)
Manimi (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Manimi&action=edit)
Marcomanni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcomanni)
Marobudui (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Marobudui&action=edit)
Mattiaci (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Mattiaci&action=edit)
Naharvali (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Naharvali&action=edit)
Nemetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Nemetes&action=edit)
Nervii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nervii)
Njars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Njars)
Quadi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadi)
Rugii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugii)
Saxons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxons)
Scirii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scirii)
Semnoni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semnoni)
Sitones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitones)
Suebi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suebi)
Suiones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suiones)
Sugambri (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugambri)
Tencteri (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Tencteri&action=edit)
Teutons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teutons)
Treviri (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Treviri&action=edit)
Triboci (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Triboci&action=edit)
Tudri (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Tudri&action=edit)
Ubii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubii)
Usipetes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usipetes)
Vandals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals)

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:57 AM
I voted the Cheruski because they were the first to rebuff the Roman expansion which at this time already had conquered the whole antique world.

The Goths because they were the first to sack the city of Rome which stood untouched for centuries, later build their own Kingdom upon the remnants of the western Empire and fought a desperate and heroic battle against the Byzantines.

The Franks because of their achievements in creating a (more or less) Pan-Germanic Empire which gave birth to Germany and France.

Tryggvi
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:07 AM
I voted the Cheruski because they were the first to rebuff the Roman expansion which at this time already had conquered the whole antique world.

The Goths because they were the first to sack the city of Rome which stood untouched for centuries, later build their own Kingdom upon the remnants of the western Empire and fought a desperate and heroic battle against the Byzantines.

The Franks because of their achievements in creating a (more or less) Pan-Germanic Empire which gave birth to Germany and France.
The Saxons, Franks, and Goths.

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:09 AM
The Saxons, Franks, and Goths.What´s so impressive about the Saxons?

Tryggvi
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:26 AM
What´s so impressive about the Saxons? Their lasting resistance against Christianization. They have been the driving force in colonialization of what later became England, and what later on became America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. They remained one of the major elements within Germany. Thus, their lasting influence spreads over Europe and the whole world, more than of any other Germanic tribe. Old English developed from Saxon. And right now, they are busy converting Middle Germany into a nationally liberated zone, eventually saving Germany, thus Europe, thus the whole world in the process. ;)

Honestly, there is a quite a difference in spirit between Saxons and other German tribes. Compare them to Alemanns. Saxons build empires, Alemanns build houses. Needless to say, Saxons not only have the must beautiful women, but the most beautiful German dialect as well. :P

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:42 AM
Their lasting resistance against Christianization. They have been the thriving force in colonialization of what later became England, and what later on became America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. They remained one of the major elements within Germany. Thus, their lasting influence spreads over Europe and the whole world, more than of any other Germanic tribe. Old English developed from Saxon. And right now, they are busy converting Middle Germany into a nationally liberated zone, eventually saving Germany, thus Europe, thus the whole world in the process. ;)...if not the universe! :-O
Seriously, they also now show signs of arrogance towards other Germanic tribes, namely the Bajuwars and other southern Germans, so don´t flatter them too much :D ;) :P
http://www.heimatschutz.net/_prog/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=157#157


Honestly, there is a quite a difference in spirit between Saxons and other German tribes. Compare them to Alemanns. Saxons build empires, Alemanns build houses. The Alamanns tore down the Limes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Germanic_Limes) and gave the Roman Empire countless ruthless invasions.


Needless to say, Saxons not only have the must beautiful women, but the most beautiful German dialect as well. :P*choke* :thumbdown
I would say the Suebian dialect is the most beautiful...but this will be another poll...:D :P

Tryggvi
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:17 AM
...if not the universe! :-O
Seriously, they also now show signs of arrogance towards other Germanic tribes, namely the Bajuwars and other southern Germans, so don´t flatter them too much :D ;) :P
http://www.heimatschutz.net/_prog/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=157#157

The Alamanns tore down the Limes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Germanic_Limes) and gave the Roman Empire countless ruthless invasions. I should have voted for the Bavarians as well -- without them no High German; their cultural contributions are highly significant... and they still created an Empire. By marriage primarily... but still an Empire... and not Switzerland. :P

Nah, I have nothing against Switzerland, on the contrary. Let the Saxons create an Empire, let the Alemanns design the constitution, and give the administration to the Bavarians, and we will have no problems. ;) :D

Ross
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:22 AM
List of Germanic tribes

Be advised, some of them are clearly Slavic.

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:44 AM
Be advised, some of them are clearly Slavic.
To be honest, I will miss you the most, Ross. :|

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 11:12 AM
Which Germanic tribe has the most impressive history and achievements? I only included the most famous tribes in the poll.

Id say the Goths and the Vandals, the Frankish, and the North Germanics too.

Aistulf
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:42 PM
I voted for the Langobards, Franks, Frisians and Goths.

A bit biased, since I have Langobard, Frankic and (most likely aswell) Frisian blood in me :P

Zrinski
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:46 PM
Definately Saxons and Franks, Lombards (Langobards) for subjective reasons *wink, wink* :D

BodewinTheSilent
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:47 PM
In my mind, Swabian, Saxon, and Bavarian are foremost, although Franks, Goths, Burgundians and North-Germanic tribes (Vikings) were purposeful as well, IMHO.

Wichmann
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 07:25 PM
Since i had read my first book about Teutonic tribes when I was a child, I have always admired Geiserich as one of the most capable leaders ever.

So my vote goes for the Vandals. :)

No Code
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:03 PM
I voted in goths only because i have (very little indeed,but i still have) goth blood running in my veins

No Code
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:15 PM
who the hell was this "Canninefates (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Canninefates&action=edit)" ??? this name sound more like a jew tribe:D

Kräuterhexe
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:32 PM
I voted for Saxons , Teutons , Frisians ans Vikings

Mac Seafraidh
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:17 PM
Lombards, Vikings, and Teutons

anti-climacus
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:50 PM
The vikings, for their exploration, pillaging, and trading.

Mac Seafraidh
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 11:15 PM
I wanted to pick Frisian as well, but for some reason I thought it was a pic 3 only poll since many of the polls as of late have been that way. I have not been paying attention to the top on the other hand. The Hevetii seem interesting, but there is not a lot about them other than they were slave holders pretty much. Vercingetorix lost to the Romans though. So I do not consider them too powerful. Hey, it was Switzerland. A big army is obviously going to defeat them. I still find them unique. I have always liked the name "Helvetia."

Racial Philosopher
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 12:07 AM
Probably Frisians. Their ancesrors wrote the "OERA LINDA BOOK" which desribes their escape from the island of "Atland" when it was sinking. They were probably the original Atlanteans.

Tommy Vercetti
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 01:41 AM
Bavarii. Reason: Three magic letters

FadeTheButcher
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 01:49 AM
The vikings, for their exploration, pillaging, and trading.This is an easy one. The Saxons. That's probably why we are communicating with each other in the English language right now. :p

Marius
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 10:24 AM
The Teutons were impressive and wittness are their architectural achievements they left behind them in the whole Eastern Europe. Unfortunately, they did not survived.

The Franks were also impressive for the first creation of Germanic Empire, which for some time successfully opposed various invaders.

The Saxons were also impressive for the ability to survive almost as they was to nowadays and for their large geographical area.

The Vikings, I forgot to check, but they were impressive for their huge geographical areas of conquest and discovery.

Terror of the North
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 10:25 AM
Saxons, Vikings, Goths, Franks. How do some of you know which tribes you decend from?

Odins_Erbe
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 11:39 AM
I also voted the Vikings, because I always found them impressiv: for their fighting, their way of living and also for their discovery of Amerika.

Mfg Odins_Erbe

Aistulf
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 01:20 PM
Saxons, Vikings, Goths, Franks. How do some of you know which tribes you decend from?
For example, in the case of my herritage: The Dutch people and language evolved mostly from the Franks (also Saxons). Same goes more or less for Padania, except for the language (though plenty of influences), because of the Goths and of course the Langobards.

Allenson
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 01:33 PM
Their lasting resistance against Christianization. They have been the driving force in colonialization of what later became England, and what later on became America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.


A few items noted here which are dear to my heart and largely why I chose the Saxons first and foremost. Of course, I cannot forget the Goths and Franks....

I'll throw in a little plug for the Saxon's companions as well--the Angles. ;) Afterall, I am New Anglish. :P

ogenoct
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 05:05 PM
The Vikings. They discovered AmeriKa and founded Russia.

Constantin

http://images.andale.com/f2/119/111/12281663/1067600155501_VIKINGS.jpg

Aistulf
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 05:57 PM
http://images.andale.com/f2/119/111/12281663/1067600155501_VIKINGS.jpg
A true shame they casted (half-)Jews like Kirk Douglas (http://www.csuohio.edu/tagar/kirk.htm) and Ernest Borgnine (Effron Borgnine) for a movie about a great Germanic tribe such as the Vikings. Oh well, what else can you expect from Hollywood...

ogenoct
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 06:01 PM
A true shame they casted (half-)Jews like Kirk Douglas
That does not really bother me. Kirk Douglas does not really look all too Jewish. The film is a masterpiece, though.

Constantin

Aistulf
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 06:06 PM
That does not really bother me. Kirk Douglas does not really look all too Jewish. The film is a masterpiece, though.
I'm going to make a movie about the Rothschilds and cast Will Smith, Vin Diesel and Jet Li. Hmm, to think of it, Ice Cube would be great for Amschel!

Telperion
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 06:21 PM
In additon to the Saxons, Franks, and Goths, whose significant contributions to history should be obvious, I also voted for the Vikings due to the major role they played in shaping the history of the British Isles and of Russia. And also because, as I have some Danish ancestry and my family name is Danish, I might be a bit biased. ;) But I'm sure it's a healthy bias.

Zyklop
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 06:31 PM
Nobody voted the Marcomanns so far? Haven´t you seen Gladiator with Russel Crow? The opening scene shows the final battle of the 14 years war against the Romans. Although the Marcomanns were defeated, the Roman legions as a result never got any further northwards than the Danube.

Telperion
Monday, November 29th, 2004, 12:40 AM
Nobody voted the Marcomanns so far? Haven´t you seen Gladiator with Russel Crow? The opening scene shows the final battle of the 14 years war against the Romans. Although the Marcomanns were defeated, the Roman legions as a result never got any further northwards than the Danube.
Stopping the Roman expansion northward was an impressive and important accomplishment. But, people (including myself) seem to be focusing on the extent to which each tribe founded entirely new kingdoms during the folk migration era, and on the subsequent political and cultural importance of those kingdoms.

Stríbog
Monday, November 29th, 2004, 09:29 AM
A true shame they casted (half-)Jews like Kirk Douglas (http://www.csuohio.edu/tagar/kirk.htm) and Ernest Borgnine (Effron Borgnine) for a movie about a great Germanic tribe such as the Vikings. Oh well, what else can you expect from Hollywood...

Tony Curtis was a Jew as well. :P

Japetos
Monday, November 29th, 2004, 12:44 PM
Teutons

Väring
Wednesday, December 1st, 2004, 06:44 PM
The Goths. Arthur Kemp should include a chapter on them in the March of the Titans. I can virtually see it before my eyes : "The Goths - Germanic Steppe Empire".

ginoJDA
Thursday, December 2nd, 2004, 12:40 AM
Saxons all the way!;)

Glenlivet
Thursday, December 2nd, 2004, 03:04 AM
All the tribes that helped to form England, which has been one of the most important nations in modern times. The English once ruled the world. There are almost no people, also in remote regions of the world, who have never heard of the English.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, December 3rd, 2004, 05:39 AM
I voted the Cheruski because they were the first to rebuff the Roman expansion which at this time already had conquered the whole antique world.

The Goths because they were the first to sack the city of Rome which stood untouched for centuries, later build their own Kingdom upon the remnants of the western Empire and fought a desperate and heroic battle against the Byzantines.

The Franks because of their achievements in creating a (more or less) Pan-Germanic Empire which gave birth to Germany and France.

I sorry but I don't know if the Cheruski were the tribe of Arminus or Herrmann or not. Without Herrmann, there would be much fewer German tribes, if any, so his tribe was important.

Beside this, how can anyone argue with the Saxons as being the most important? They were a large tribe and helped found both England and Germany. The only other possible contender are the Franks.

blut-ehre
Friday, December 3rd, 2004, 08:28 PM
I must go with Cheruski...I do find them important for keeping out the roman empire. But mainly because my family is from the rhine area ;p

Northern Paladin
Saturday, December 4th, 2004, 02:15 AM
Franks,Vikings,and Saxons.

Master-of-Swords
Saturday, December 11th, 2004, 04:10 PM
It is the Saxons that have had the most impact upon the world and upon history through the formation of the English nation.

Aistulf
Saturday, December 11th, 2004, 04:17 PM
I've gotten a book about the history of the Langobardians, for 'Sinterklaas' (Dutch x-mas-like tradition), which is very interesting. (Started in it yesterday night).

Oskorei
Saturday, December 11th, 2004, 11:16 PM
Goths. After all they were known as somewhat of a "super-race" among their contemporaries, and the word itself is related to the word for "God/Gods" (Edred Flowers says this, and I have no reason to argue since I am myself mostly Gothic). Basically they left their ancient home in todays Götaland, and founded several empires very far away. I suspect that many Vikings were of Gothic heritage as well.

And there is still some of the Goth left in Western Sweden. Stalinism, Devil-worship and National Socialism all have had strongholds on the westcoast during the 20th century here. We are just a little more evil than the rest, blue eyed devils. :evil

King Yngvar
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Northmen.

But of course, since there are more Frenchmen and Englishmen on the board, the Franks and Saxons will probably get more votes.

fenriSS_
Wednesday, January 12th, 2005, 06:40 PM
Vinland, greenland, we conquered England, normandie, large parts of eastern europe, we had unique ships, bloodlust, great traders, culture, anti-christian and belived were odinists.

Thorn
Wednesday, January 12th, 2005, 07:37 PM
But northern cultural achivments are a little low. The Goths first translated the Bibel and developed the first germanic written language. Besides their king Theja killed in the final battle all roman nobles under 25. That is bloodlust.

Vanir
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 12:46 AM
Hermann and the Cherusci, as they saved Germany from a similar fate to Gaul, allowin gall else that followed. As well as evolving into the English, who basically conquered the World. Fairly impressive effort for a figment of the imagination.

Why the continental Saxons clung to the Old Ways for so long whilst their English kin converted so quickly I'm still scratching my head over though.

The way the Harii allegedly painted themselves black for their Special Forces missions always made me laugh, and how bad must the Vandals have been to have coined the pastime they bequeathed their name to.

beowulf wodenson
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 12:53 AM
I'd say the Anglo Saxons through their English and subsequently American descendents, but I suppose I'm biased in that direction being of primarily English ancestry and American nationality. The English through their language, culture, and empire have had a very significant effect on the course of modern history.

fenriSS_
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 06:05 PM
They brought the niggers to europe and america, diden't helped the southern state and ganged up vs germany, still you like them?

Nassau Wiarda
Wednesday, March 16th, 2005, 12:19 AM
I've voted:
-Frisians, because I am one, and because our king Redbad (Radbod) was the last real pagan king on the West-european continent (not Scandinavia or Anglosaxon kingdoms) to withstand the Frankish Christianity.
Countless of Saga's are recorded of his disgust towards the white god; missionaire Willibrord, the city of Wartna, the famous almost baptism of Redbad (He asked whether he would see his forfathers in heaven, the priests said no because they were pagans and therefore in hell, Well he said than I shall be going to hell to, and his baptism was off)

- Saxons, because of the English with their prime world language and colonization of America, Canada, Australia, etc. (You know)

- Franks, Because of France (a good second to above).

PS

The franks were a federation of at least 5 tribes namely the Canninefatii (S. Holland), Bataviiri (Rhine terr. in the Netherlands), Chati, Chauki and Cherusci (western germany) maybe more?.. But these are the tribes called by E. Gibbon in his 'Fall and Decline of the Roman empire". Shouldn't the Cherusci mentioned in the poll be listened as a frankish tribe? :-\

Theobald
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 12:20 AM
I voted Franks, since they re-created the Roman Empire, and gave birth to two of the greatest European Nations, France and Germany. ;)

Huzar
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 12:24 AM
Franks and Longbards, cause created a strong cultural strain in northern italy

RedJack
Saturday, March 26th, 2005, 03:43 AM
Is this a trick question? The Saxons, of course! :thumbup

alphaknave
Sunday, March 27th, 2005, 02:18 AM
SAXONS ALWAYS WIN

Theobald
Sunday, March 27th, 2005, 10:40 AM
SAXONS ALWAYS WIN
Except against Franks et Charlemagne though :D

Huzar
Sunday, March 27th, 2005, 10:54 AM
The Goths, were a formidable force, but they don't conquered anything in a stable way.............

Thusnelda
Sunday, March 27th, 2005, 10:57 AM
I go with the Bavaris aka Bavarians! ;) Proud tribe, the fathers and mothers of Bavaria and Austria, too!

Mia san mia!

Imperator X
Monday, March 28th, 2005, 04:32 AM
I chose the Vikings because they spread out the farthest and because part of them became the Normans. They founded Dublin city and made a large genetic imprint in Great Britain, Ireland, Northern France, Poland, Western Russia, Germany, Northern Italy and Sicily.

Imperator X
Monday, March 28th, 2005, 04:45 AM
This is an easy one. The Saxons. That's probably why we are communicating with each other in the English language right now. :p
Yeah, but you must remember it was the Normans that introduced all that French and Latin influence.

Theobald
Monday, March 28th, 2005, 10:57 AM
Yeah, but you must remember it was the Normans that introduced all that French and Latin influence.
Indeed, actually 75% of the Middle English words come from the French, and about 30% of the modern English words. English are French who are unaware of their true identity. :D :P

Aistulf
Monday, March 28th, 2005, 11:56 AM
I go with the Bavaris aka Bavarians! ;) Proud tribe, the fathers and mothers of Bavaria and Austria, too!

Mia san mia!
Langobardians have also been long in Austria, until they were driven out of Pannonia (modern day Hungary/Croatia), they retreated mostly to Northern Italy and Switzerland (partially).



I chose the Vikings because they spread out the farthest and because part of them became the Normans. They founded Dublin city and made a large genetic imprint in Great Britain, Ireland, Northern France, Poland, Western Russia, Germany, Northern Italy and Sicily.
Northern Italy? Where did you hear that? That was Langobardian territory.

Of modern day Italy, only Sicily. Oh and, don't forget about Vinland (North America) either :)

anonymer gast
Tuesday, March 29th, 2005, 05:30 PM
I voted for Cherusci since I've ever had sympathy for Arminius under whose command the Roman Varus and his legions were beaten. This forced the Roman invaders to withdraw from Germania. Besides Kaiser Wilhelm II. and a certain man from Austria ;) , the Cherusci leader Arminius will always be one of my favourite Germans.

But nevertheless I have great respect for the Saxons who resisted and fought bravely until defeat against Charlemagne (Karl der Große) who brought the devilish religion called Christendom.

Hail comrades from Germany!
Armin

Outis
Saturday, October 15th, 2005, 11:24 PM
Saxons, for breadth and longetivity.
Goths, for spirituality.
Bavarians — for National Socialism.
Teutons for everything else!

æþeling
Sunday, October 16th, 2005, 07:24 PM
Depends what you mean by achievements?

Going my own way:

Anglo-Saxons: For our institutions, individuality, stubborness.

Germans/English: For our inventiveness.

English: For literature.

Germans: For music.

Danes: For the empire building. Danish Vikings were a big part of the English people, and they formed the central core of the greatest empire builders of the early Middle Ages, the Normans.

Icelanders: For preserving our religion.

Outis
Monday, October 17th, 2005, 12:41 AM
If you prefer to be put to sleep by literature, then I agree the English outdo the Germans; if you enjoy beauty and high spirits, then only the Germans can win here.

sceagacros
Monday, December 26th, 2005, 06:05 PM
Saxons (of wich I'm assuming Angles are considered part- of since they didn't get their own category for the purpose of this survey) , and DANISH "vikings" the distinction in my mind of this group as a distinct and separate entity as distinguishable from the conventional Norwegian/swede/finnish Viking archetype I'm sure is not shared by the majority but those "Dark haired Vikings" the Danes IMHO might possibly fit best in the Saxon category as opposed to the Viking category they are usually considered part of-of course this is just my own very humble opinion and the clarifications are relevant only in light of defining who exactly I feel I'm voting for by casting my vote for "Saxons".So I'm voting for Danes ,Saxons and Angles with my Saxon vote.Thanx in advance for the enlightening and helpful responses I'm sure are to follow especially in regards to my perception as Danes being perhaps more Germanic than "viking" as conventionally understood...:)

Vestmannr
Tuesday, December 27th, 2005, 12:33 AM
Ditto on what Aetheling and Sceagacros said. My Saxon vote is inclusive of the above.

nurnberg
Tuesday, December 27th, 2005, 10:14 AM
All the tribes that helped to form England, which has been one of the most important nations in modern times. The English once ruled the world. There are almost no people, also in remote regions of the world, who have never heard of the English.
Thus we see that each tribe rises to fulfill its destiny at each required histori cal circumstance.

as the other person observed,
by halting the Roman expansion North, Romans focused elsewhere building Baths, Roads and places such as Londinium ...

Thruthheim
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 10:00 AM
Saxons/Vikings.

Would have liked the option of Angles/Jutes too.

Also, A question, possibly a naive one, but the Goths, are they responsible for the Gota Phenotype? If So, That's what I am, therefore with Hindsight, I should've voted Goths also ;)

Siegfried
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 10:13 AM
Also, A question, possibly a naive one, but the Goths, are they responsible for the Gota Phenotype?

No. :)

Thruthheim
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 10:33 AM
No. :)

Oh ;)

Theudiskaz
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 05:16 PM
Does "Saxons" referr to the saxons who settled in England or the continental saxons, or both? What about the English?

Thruthheim
Sunday, March 12th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Does "Saxons" referr to the saxons who settled in England or the continental saxons, or both? What about the English?

From looking at earliar replies on this thread, It would appear it means Both.

Sadly, Angles and Jutes were left out.

Siegmund
Thursday, March 16th, 2006, 02:40 AM
I voted for the Bavari, Goths and Saxons - the tribes I know the most about. But they're all good. :P

Thusnelda
Friday, March 17th, 2006, 02:01 PM
*waving the bavarian flag* :D

Kenaz
Friday, September 22nd, 2006, 05:02 PM
Hello,

I just HAD to vote for the cheruscii!
How could I not honor the achievment of Arminius and his men.
Their battle was most important for ALL germanics.
Just try to imagine the Romans had done to us the same like to the Gauls!
We should never forget what happened in the year 9.....:thumbup

germanic
Saturday, September 23rd, 2006, 07:13 PM
I chose Saxons as my choice, purely and simply because, the ENGLISH are descended from them.

Without the Saxons there would of been no English - need I say more

Just about every thing that is good in the world was invented, discovered or made by English or Scotsmen or some other type with English (Saxon) blood.

I myself am English so I am also of Saxon blood - and I thank god for that every day

Vingolf
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 11:30 PM
This is an easy one. The Saxons. That's probably why we are communicating with each other in the English language right now. :p

- That's also probably why we are restricted to communicate through a anonymized forum on the internet... No offense to the Saxons, but the modern, imperial English nation have undoubtedly been the most anti-pan-germanic, even anti-European of all Germanic nations, cultivating their insular narrowmindedness for centuries, paying lip service to the Chosen People - first, on their own petty island, then, on a larger scale, in the New World...

fareast
Saturday, February 17th, 2007, 06:43 AM
some are overlapped,such as alemanni and semnones.

Angelcynn Beorn
Monday, February 19th, 2007, 02:21 AM
- That's also probably why we are restricted to communicate through a anonymized forum on the internet... No offense to the Saxons, but the modern, imperial English nation have undoubtedly been the most anti-pan-germanic, even anti-European of all Germanic nations, cultivating their insular narrowmindedness for centuries, paying lip service to the Chosen People - first, on their own petty island, then, on a larger scale, in the New World...

Seeing as the English have done more to spread Germanic blood throughout the world than every other Germanic country combined, i find it hard to understand this sort of attitude.

Boche
Monday, February 19th, 2007, 02:26 AM
Why is my tribe missing?

Quoting Wikipedia:

The Chatti (also Catti) were an ancient Germanic tribe settled in central and northern Hesse and southern Lower Saxony, along the upper reaches of the Weser river and in the valleys and mountains of the Eder, Fulda and Werra river regions, a district approximately corresponding to Hesse-Cassel, though probably somewhat more extensive. According to Tacitus (Histories iv. under 70 [1]), among them were the Batavians, until an internal quarrel drove them out, to take up new lands at the mouth of the Rhine.

The Chatti successfully resisted incorporation into the Roman Empire, joining the Cheruscan war leader Arminius' coalition of tribes that annihilated Varus' legions in 9 in the Battle of Teutoburg Forest. Germanicus later, in 15, raided their lands in revenge, but Rome eventually responded to the Chatti's belligerent defense of their independence by building the limes border fortifications along the southern boundary of their lands in central Hesse during the early years of the 1st century. The remnants of a very large fortified retreat have been found on a hill near the village of Metze (Latin: Mattium) in the core lands of the Chatti south of Kassel.

According to Tacitus in his book Germania (chapter 30), they were disciplined warriors famed for their infantry, who (unusual for Germanic tribes) used trenching tools and carried provisions when at war. Their neighbours to the north were the Usipi and Tencteri.

The Chatti eventually became a branch of the much larger neighboring Franks and were incorporated in the kingdom of Clovis I, probably with the Ripuarians, at the beginning of the 6th century. They are mentioned in the Old English epic Beowulf as Hetwaras.

In 723, the Anglo-Saxon missionary Winfrid -- subsequently called St. Boniface, Apostle of the Germans -- proselytizing among the Chatti, felled their sacred tree, Thor's Oak, near Fritzlar, as part of his efforts to compel the conversion of the Chatti and the other northern German tribes to Christianity.

"Chatti" became "Hesse" through a series of sound shifts.


The Anglo-Saxons were just one of those becoming early slaves of christiany which took part of destroying ancient germanic culture, temples and sacred places.

Here a drawing of Bonifatius destroying my Tribes sacred tree called Thor's Oak:

http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images2/boniface7.jpg



I've picked the Cherusci, because they have the most to do with the Chatten.




Gruß,
Boche

kgnju
Monday, February 19th, 2007, 08:16 AM
Be advised, some of them are clearly Slavic.
Which tribes?Could you tell me?

starzfirst
Sunday, September 16th, 2007, 01:37 PM
What was your favorite Germanic tribe in History? And why?

Thusnelda
Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 02:33 AM
Maybe the Goths. They came nearly out of nothing with massive power, smashed the Roman Empire ultimatively and died out as well as their language, leaving only their name in glorious letters in the book of history. Its like "Life fast, die young"....:rolleyes: *g*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goths

Ælfhere
Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 06:47 AM
The Goths are my favorite too. Migrating from Scandinavia, setting up an empire on the steppes, raiding the Black Sea, then carving out kingdoms in Spain and Italy. That's quite an accomplishment.

Alice
Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 02:33 PM
I've always been partial to the Vandals, perhaps because they were fairly skilled seamen.

starzfirst
Wednesday, September 19th, 2007, 03:50 PM
I personally admire any Germanic tribe that invaded Rome :p

Dagna
Monday, January 7th, 2008, 01:06 PM
I believe this should make an interesting discussion about Germanic tribes.
My favorite Germanic tribe are the Vikings.

Viking refers to a member of the Scandinavian seafaring traders, warriors and pirates who raided and colonized wide areas of Europe from the late 8th to the 11th century. These Norsemen (literally, men from the north) used their famed longships to travel as far east as Constantinople and the Volga River in Russia, and as far west as Newfoundland. This period of Viking expansion is commonly referred to as the Viking Age of Scandinavian History.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikings (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikip edia.org%2Fwiki%2FVikings)


I believe the Vikings have a rich history and have brought rich contributions to the human civilization.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/67/Vikingshipmini.jpg

Here is a list of Germanic tribes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germanic_peoples (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikip edia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_Germanic_peopl es)

DanseMacabre
Thursday, January 10th, 2008, 07:16 AM
Anglo-saxons for their amazing contribution to literature. Beowulf was one of my favorite books as a young child.

The Vikings would be my second favorite Germanic tribe.

MockTurtle
Thursday, January 10th, 2008, 10:43 AM
Same as above: Anglo-Saxons, most of all because of their special approach to government and social organization. The free-spiritedness, love for innovation, and natural suspicion of excessive bureaucracy found among the Anglo-Saxon's are qualities of the highest possible value for civilization. As Thomas Jefferson put it:



"Here... will be preserved a model of government, securing to man his rights and the fruits of his labor, by an organization constantly subject to his own will." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1815.

Alice
Thursday, January 10th, 2008, 01:37 PM
Anglo-Saxons.

I've been fascinated by the Anglo-Saxons since I was about five, after reading a story about Pope Gregory encountering Anglo-Saxon slaves in the Roman marketplace. I later read Beowulf, which became a favourite of mine.

Also, I was impressed upon discovering that Anglo-Saxon women couldn't be forced to marry without their consent, and that they generally had more rights than women in other societies.

BeornWulfWer
Thursday, March 6th, 2008, 06:00 PM
3671

Mine would have to be the Angles. Self explanatory as to why :p

Siebenbürgerin
Friday, March 21st, 2008, 07:10 PM
I will go with the Goths as well. Being a Student of Archeology, I have been fascinated with what the Goths left behind. I am interested in the Goths because they settled on this Territory and had an impact on its History.

The Goths and Gepids were Germanic Peoples from Southern Scandinavia who migrated South to around the Black Sea in the C3 AD. The frequent Incursions of the Ostrogoths (from modern Ukraine) and the Visigoths (from around the Danube) into the Roman Empire caused the Romans to abandon Dacia (270).

A Map which includes Settlements of the Goths:

http://www.eliznik.org.uk/RomaniaHistory/trans-map/Trans_gepids&goths.GIF

Soldier of Wodann
Friday, March 21st, 2008, 07:36 PM
The Franks of course. The Franks are comprised of various older tribes, such as the Chatti and Sicambri. We not only ruled the Rhineland, one of the most important areas of the German Reich, but France as well, for more than 1000 years. We brought stability to Western Europe in the wake of the fall of Rome (largely caused by ourselves ;)) and solidified the Germanic monarchical feudal system. We also stopped Muslim conquest of Europe (Charles Martel) and founded the Holy Roman Empire (Charlemagne). I can certainly say I am proud to belong to this tribe.

Aragorn
Friday, March 21st, 2008, 11:36 PM
Most be the Saxons who long opposed Charlemagne.

(Being a Saxon myself, I suppose Iam not entirely neutral at that point);)

Brynhild
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 12:08 AM
The above reasons have been mentioned by other people in relation to the Anglo-Saxons and Vikings, but they are my favourite people in relation to their sea-faring skills, trade, and the tearing down of the Roman Empire.

The early Norse people are also important to me, because of their rich history and mythology, as well as their runic alphabet ;)

Aragorn
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 12:14 AM
The Franks of course. The Franks are comprised of various older tribes, such as the Chatti and Sicambri. We not only ruled the Rhineland, one of the most important areas of the German Reich, but France as well, for more than 1000 years. We brought stability to Western Europe in the wake of the fall of Rome (largely caused by ourselves ;)) and solidified the Germanic monarchical feudal system. We also stopped Muslim conquest of Europe (Charles Martel) and founded the Holy Roman Empire (Charlemagne). I can certainly say I am proud to belong to this tribe.


Stability by commiting genocide among the Saxons?

Soldier of Wodann
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 01:01 AM
Stability by commiting genocide among the Saxons?

Saxons still exist, don't they? And its not as though I agree with everything Charlemagne did, but he is quite an important figure in European history and should thus be noted.

Berrocscir
Sunday, March 23rd, 2008, 02:44 PM
I have a soft spot for the Gewissae - a West Saxon tribe that settled the Upper Thames Valley in what was soon to become Wessex (the cradle of the English nation) in the fifth/sixth centuries. Oh, and the Jutes - I like the Jutes!

The Lawspeaker
Sunday, March 23rd, 2008, 03:06 PM
I'd go for the Frisians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians)- they have always been fiercely independent and very honest. I love their traditions, myths, history, language and willpower.

Leo
Saturday, May 31st, 2008, 01:37 PM
The Jamtar is a favorit

Jamtar are the people who settled and founded the free republic of Jamtland, sometime during the migratory period. They managed for long periods to defend their independence from there powerful neighbors, the Swedes and Norwegians. Historically they were farmers/traders people who every winter would drive horse trains with goods from the Baltic sea to the Atlantic. In modern times this led to the envy of Swedish kings, for draining their country of cash.

While not nearly as powerful and influential as the tribes mentioned in earlier posts, this one still exists as a distinct culture. There language is in some aspects still close to ur Germanic.

A Jamt was one of the most famous warrior described by Snorre Sturlasson, the grate troll killer Arnljot Gelline.

This is my first post on this forum. I promise that the next won’t be as local patriotic and chauvinist.

Guntwachar
Monday, June 2nd, 2008, 09:40 AM
My alltime favorit would be the Frisians, next are the Saxons, and 3th but not least the Franks.
How much some people would love to be part of one of these tribes in the Netherlands, we are all a mix of the 3 tribes and yes becides killing eachother the Saxons and Franks later mixed in the Netherlands.

The Frisians are my favorits first of all because they were the last in the Netherlands to convert to christianity, because they have the most history written down of the tribes in the Netherlands and because they still have there own language.

I am myself a mix of Frisians,Franks and Saxons thats why i'm overall more interested in these 3 tribes then the rest, i think the Vikings are still a realy cool tribe to read about and the Goths also.

Gorm the Old
Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008, 04:23 AM
The Gar-Dena or Spear Danes, the tribe of which Beowulf was a distinguished member.

Loyalist
Tuesday, June 3rd, 2008, 08:22 PM
The Anglo-Saxons and Normans; they propelled England and, to a lesser extent, the rest of the British Isles, into a nation and empire virtually unparalleled by any before them. Their political, cultural, and linguistic influence continues to hold sway over virtually every aspect of life around the globe today. Despite varying dissent, the two merged into a relatively harmonious mono-ethnic group in the centuries following the Conquest of 1066, and thus I tend to loop them into one identity (Anglo-Norman, if you will).

On a more basic level, special mention should be made of the Franks for raising the continental Germanic tribes to prominence in the wake of the fall of Rome, and to the Norse (all Viking nations in general) for their remarkable pursuit of conquest and exploration at a time when other Europeans were centuries away from such accomplishments.

Veritas Æquitas
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 01:26 AM
I like them all but if I had to choose it would be the Saxons. Just because..

Hersir
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 04:50 PM
I think Cherusci, Marsi, Chatti, Bructeri, Chauci and Sicambri tribes are interesting, they joined forces and stood against the romans invading their country and defining the border at the Rhine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest

Arminius was a great hero. Next year Germany will have a celebration for its 2000 years anniversary. Merkel is gonna hold some speech and there will be exhibitions in 3 different museums.

Leonhardt
Saturday, June 7th, 2008, 05:13 AM
Naturally the Alamanni are my favorite tribe to read about because of my surname. They had many battles with the Franks.

I also like to read about the Marcomanni because of the Gladiator movie.

I never really thought of Vikings as a tribe, but I like to read about them also.

Leof
Saturday, June 7th, 2008, 01:08 PM
The Geats/Goths for bringing us Beowulf and kicking Rome's ass. The "barbarian" tribes have been longing for that day for centuries.

Heiliger Tod
Thursday, June 12th, 2008, 06:00 PM
I too have a romantic feeling towards the Germanic peoples who resisted Rome, which really adds to my love of films like The Fall of the Roman Empire (despite its seeming promotion of the good things about multiculturalism/multiracialism) and also the opening sequence of Gladiator.

Individuals tribes would be the Saxons, such as those that resisted Charlemagne and also those that make my ancestory.

Psychonaut
Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008, 12:37 PM
In my opinion the Franks are an easy choice (although I'm quite biased in their favor ;)). They pulled Western Europe up on its feet after Rome fell, were responsible for the creation of France and Germany, and (along with the Asturians in Spain) halted the Arab invasion.

Ulf
Tuesday, September 2nd, 2008, 03:22 PM
I voted the Cherusci mainly because of Hermann and Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest)

For mainly this reason:
The Germanic tribes, on the other hand, profited greatly from the plunder of their victory, and gradually began to move to a higher stage of development, although they were still a long way from political unification. This was apparently the goal of Arminius, however, who immediately sent Varus' severed head to Marbod, king of the Marcomanni, the other most powerful Germanic ruler, with the offer of an anti-Roman alliance. Marbod declined the offer, sent the head on to Rome for burial, and remained neutral throughout the ensuing war. Only thereafter did a brief, inconclusive war break out between the two Germanic leaders.

During the next centuries, the Germanic tribes were able to profit from trade with Rome, without suffering the Roman yoke, and to absorb those elements of Roman culture which they wanted.

Aethelwulf
Wednesday, September 3rd, 2008, 05:12 AM
I chose the Saxons for a variety of reasons.

Although I was tempted to choose the Frisians because I'm half Dutch.

GroeneWolf
Friday, September 5th, 2008, 07:42 PM
In my opinion the Franks are an easy choice (although I'm quite biased in their favor ;)). They pulled Western Europe up on its feet after Rome fell, were responsible for the creation of France and Germany, and (along with the Asturians in Spain) halted the Arab invasion.

Actualy some critics say that the Arabs where at monent streched to the limit of their capicities for conquest.

Psychonaut
Friday, September 5th, 2008, 10:57 PM
Actualy some critics say that the Arabs where at monent streched to the limit of their capicities for conquest.

But if that's the case, why did ‘Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi send 80,000 troops towards Tours? ;)

Chlodovech
Friday, September 12th, 2008, 12:07 AM
The Franks, and the nations that evolved out of this tribe, because their golden age lasted several centuries, almost a thousand years. Anglosaxon (mainly American, English) glory and supremacy is a more recent evolution, but well established in the 19th century.

Athalwulf
Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 06:42 PM
I chose the vikings because I am most interested in viking yore and kithship, but I also enjoy learning about the Saxons, as they share a lot of alikenesses with the vikings but are still unlike them enough to be heedworthy.

Hrodnand
Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 06:59 PM
The Saxons, they not only conquered and established a homeland on a foreign place like Britain but the rest of them, the continental Saxons, had to face Europe's greatest leading force at that time: Charlemagne and his christian frankish empire, and they stood against him.
I have honour towards them also because they held on and fought for the old heathen ways. They were probably the earliest preservationists. ;)

Athalwulf
Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 07:03 PM
The Saxons, they not only conquered and established a homeland on a foreign place like Britain but the rest of them, the continental Saxons, had to face Europe's greatest leading force at that time: Charlemagne and his christian frankishland, and they stood against him.
I have honour towards them also because they held on and fought for the old heathen ways.

Even though they switched their old gods for a new God, they still withheld their way of life and yore.

Haduloha
Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 12:06 AM
Anglo-Saxon, Franks for making the biggest steps in building what we know today as europe and the western countries (and i do not mean they are the "best" germanic tribes, but such with the most influence)
In the case of Saxons you must consider that they did not died out as they were christianized, but that they had the leading role in the german Reich after the line of the Caroles died out, with some important wars.

The Saxons, as a Great-tribe included also the tribe of Cherusci, wich lost their influence in history after the death of Arminius. Cherusci are less associated with the Franks
And the nowaday so-called saxon state in Germany has not much in common with the Tribe, wich is a popular myth. The real Saxons are well positioned in the State of lower Saxony. I have to say that as you see at my profile :)))
And of course continetal-Saxons exists today, northwest-germany has the most stable genetic pool in germany, only changed after ´45.


Icelanders for preserving north-germanic culture and religion.

p.s
I agree that vikings were not a tribe, but a class of people from scandinavian tribes in the middleage.

Sigurd
Thursday, October 23rd, 2008, 04:04 AM
Nartually, my vote must go to the Bavari, largely for reasons subjective - because we are what we are, and as such, to assert anything else would be a sacrilege. :D

Though at least I am being partially objective: Although we were never renowned for any notable prehistoric battle-victories, the Bajuvars managed to settle an area of over 140,000 square kilometres ... the largest area any one tribe can probably boast for themselves in this day and age (rivalled maybe only by Goths and Swedes - albeit in much less densely populated terrain).

Considering the amount of notable composers, artists etc. we have produced an argument could also be made for us being culturally supreme. :P ... And then, let us not forget that it is the image of the Bajuvarian (preferably the Tyrolese and the Bavarian) that lives on in several countries around the globe as the "stereotypical German", and as such our representative functions are supreme. Not to talk of the beer, which is so supremely supreme that only our neighbours, the Alemanni can come reasonably close to the splendour of Bajuvarian skills of brewery. :D

On objective grounds, some honourable mention must also be given to the Alemanni though, they are the other important tribe in the Southern German areas to date, and they did after all give us the Habsburgs. ;)

Either way - we are the best, and no one shall dare to argue with that, or else will feel my wrath. :wsg

Anfang
Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 06:56 AM
Well, at least we beat the Franks in the poll......

SwordOfTheVistula
Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 10:21 AM
managed to settle an area of over 140,000 square kilometres ... the largest area any one tribe can probably boast for themselves in this day and age

But...the sun did set on this exceedingly large territory, did it not :D




http://op-for.com/British%20Empire.png

Angelcynn Beorn
Tuesday, November 18th, 2008, 11:19 PM
But...the sun did set on this exceedingly large territory, did it not :D




http://op-for.com/British%20Empire.png

That map isn't correct, it completely leaves out Egypt for some reason. Here's another, nicely colour coded map. I don't have the key to the colour coding, but from what i can gather the orange areas are predominantly white countries that were granted self rule. The pink areas are lands that were controlled directly by Britain. The purple areas are countries where the local leadership was allowed to stay in place as long as it took it's orders directly from Britain. And the brown areas are areas that were once owned by Britain but were lost. The striped areas are areas that were officially independent but where British power was the main power in the region.

If that wasn't too confusing (!) here's the map:

http://moinansari.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/british_empire_anachronous_7.png

Sigurd
Thursday, November 20th, 2008, 12:16 AM
But...the sun did set on this exceedingly large territory, did it not :D

I fully meant historical Europe with that. Once you leave that area, it's hard to tell - will British expats have been Angles, Saxons, Normans or Celts? We're talking about the Völkerwanderung and thereafter for settlement. As such, any colonies thereafter can't be included. And the area settled by Saxons and Angles respectively does tend to be fairly small. ;)

SwordOfTheVistula
Thursday, November 20th, 2008, 09:45 AM
Another one for ya :D

http://www.deutsche-welle.de/dw/article/0,2144,3801926,00.html

In terms of secondary education, the German state of Saxony has knocked Bavaria off the top spot.

the latest PISA-E study polled 57,000 15-year-olds in 1,500 schools across the country and concentrated on testing knowledge in natural sciences, mathematics and literacy.

Saxony came out top in every discipline in the 2006 study.

German students tested for the 2000 report ranked in the lower half of those surveyed in the 32 leading industrial nations, well behind Britain, Japan, South Korea and much of continental Europe.

The results have continually shown a clear link in Germany between social background and educational success. The latest report reveals that that this correlation is most apparent in Bavaria.

"This is shameful," Marianne Demmer from the GEW education union told the Munich-based daily Sueddeutsche Zeitung, pointing out that middle class children were still much more likely to attend high school than children from poor homes or immigrant families.

"The main challenge faced by politicians is to help these young people," she said.

Experts, meanwhile, attribute Saxony's success to precisely this phenomenon. Compared to western German states, its schools contain fewer "risk" students, such as immigrants. Moreover, its shrinking population means there are fewer pupils per class.

Loki
Thursday, November 20th, 2008, 05:22 PM
I'd say the Saxons should win this, if only for the extent of the British Empire, and the wide influence of English culture and language.

After that, the Franks would get my vote. They were by far the most powerful Germanic tribe in continental Europe.

Axton
Monday, December 8th, 2008, 06:35 PM
I'd say the Saxons should win this, if only for the extent of the British Empire, and the wide influence of English culture and language.

After that, the Franks would get my vote. They were by far the most powerful Germanic tribe in continental Europe.


Lets not forget the Angles! they did after all found three of the major English kingdoms.


According to sources such as the Bede, after the invasion of England, the Angles split up and founded the kingdoms of the Nord Angelnen (Northumbria), Ost Angelnen (East Anglia), and the Mittlere Angelnen (Mercia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

After all why was England named after the Angles if they had such a minor impact on its formation! I could be slightly biased though! ;)

forkbeard
Tuesday, December 9th, 2008, 08:13 AM
British history is the greatest. The Anglo Saxons are the direct descendants of the Cherusci of Herman. Of this input into Britain, most of it was Anglian, which is the same as Danish. The British were then organised by a Norman (Northman) aristocracy into the worlds greatest Empire and war Machine.
The parent of the American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and South African nations.
But also the organisers of many other modern nations.
At the time of the revolt against Varus the Anglo-Saxons only numbered perhaps 100,000 people, Today they have upto 300 million descendants.
In all this history we lost sight that Germania was our common motherland. Sight must not be lost also of the input of Celtic tribes into our Empire. Their culture forbade Empire building, since they claimed they could conquer the world over-night. And it is true that Scots, Irish and Welsh provided some of our fiercest shock troops, without whom we could not have seized so much living space for our people.