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Thorburn
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 05:23 PM
Skadi Changed its Orientation

Germanic Instead of European





Mit Schild an Schild und Speer an Speer
Zieh'n wir nach Nordlands GrŘnden
Bis wir im fernen grauen Meer
Die Insel Thule finden.
~ Felix Dahn
History

Skadi has been founded in July 2000 by myself with the intention to create a website about the indigenous Germanic ways of life. You are surely aware that Skadi is a Germanic goddess. The project never realized but I decided to create a Toplist and a Banner Exchange in the meantime in order to establish the domain name and to help other sites to become known. The Toplist was the second nationalist toplist on the Internet -- Micetrap's was the first -- and the banner exchange the first within the racially conscious community. They eventually exploded and created 10,000s of hits and more than 100,000 banner rotations every month which was a lot back then in 2000.

The forum you are surfing right now is actually an offshot of The Phora. Back then Nordicists, above all Hellstar and Karl Earlson, clashed with Mediterraneanists as well as Fade and, in July 2002, decided to create their own forum, Aryan Dawn. Nominally Indo-European in orientation, it soon became the preferred hangout of Nordicists and soon established itself as a place for anthropological debate. Eventually Slavs joined, most notably Ross, Prodigal Son, and Pomor, challenging the prevailing anthropological orthodoxy which, to make a long story short, eventually lead to their ban.

In late April 2003, Hellstar resigned and his friend Ederico Figallo took over the forum which then was renamed to Pantheon Europa. A more pro-European orientation was implemented. Flaming at the same time was reduced and quality increased. Pantheon Europa was then already running on Skadi's domain due to my negotiation with Hellstar to use Skadi's hits in order to popularize the forum. In July 2003 it became fully integrated into Skadi and from then on is known as Skadi Forum.

We kept the pro-European orientation, as we considered it most productive to guarantee a lively debate and, as a consequence, the availability of information and perspectives that would otherwise have remained unheard. The strategy naturally also guaranteed a rapid growth.

Contrary to Stormfront we never tried to limit potentially divisive positions but actively encouraged an open debate. However, you can imagine that it's quite difficult to keep a ship on track with such a highly diverse audience: Germanics and Slavs discussing who of them are the true Nords and supermen; Nordicists and Mediterraneanists discussing who created all civilization; Christians and Heathens discussing religion; Germans and Poles discussing WW2; Russians and Germans discussing National-Socialism and Communism; Serbs and Croats discussing Serbia and Croatia; and so forth.

Eventually, a perceived anti-Slavic bias encouraged Slavs to found the Slavic Anthropology Forum; a perceived anti-Med bias encouraged Meds to found Dodona. DÚja vu all over.

Skadi, however, during all this time has still been growing rapidly. We reached the capacity of our first server, a Celeron, somewhen back in October 2003. We replaced it with a Pentium IV which lasted us exactly a couple of months before it reached its limits, too. One of the reasons was that we merged with the Nationales Forum, the largest German language forum. So we eventually upgraded to a Dual Xeon hyperthreaded, i. e. four virtual CPUs, and that's the machine we are still on now. It, too, reached already its capacity during peak time about a month ago, so we disabled the Search function for guests (which includes the "New Posts" link), a measure which, for the time being saves our case -- but even with it disabled, we will reach our capacity again in another three months or so.

Then we would need a second Dual machine for load balancing -- one machine for the database server, one machine for the webserver. That's the setup Stormfront has and it also comes for double the price; at least $6,000 - $8,000 per annum, that is. There are just so many people that can surf a forum at the same time -- and vBulletin puts the limit at ~300 synchronous users for a Dual Xeon with an unhacked board and no other sites hosted (both requirements that Skadi doesn't fulfill) before you have to make other plans.

Needless to say, a second machine is totally out of the question at the moment, as we simply do not have the financial support for it. Consequently, we will go the other way: we will limit the traffic by narrowing the forum's scope from European to Germanic, and will try to get rid of a lot of pointless lowbrow posts at the same time.


Scope

The choice for Germanic was an easy one. AryanDawn was founded by a Germanic and originally had such a de facto bias. Skadi was, as I pointed out already, originally supposed to be a Germanic site. I am Germanic. All my family, all my family-in-law, all my ancestors (that I'm aware of), and all my descendants are Germanic. All my friends are Germanic and my closest online friends are Germanic. Most of our Staff is Germanic. Almost all of our Funding Members are Germanic. Most of our Members are Germanic. Apart from the English language sections, we have a large German section, and all Germans are Germanics.

I believe in Germanic preservation above everything else. That's a bias that comes totally naturally to me.


Changes of Rules
Mission Statement

This is a Free Speech Forum for Germanic preservationists, thus you can voice your opinion freely if displayed in a civil and non-provocative manner, be it even considered politically incorrect by the majority of your contemporaries or Skadi Forum Members. We do not discriminate against philosophies, religions, ideologies, cultures, ethnicities, sub-races, or ideas within the wider framework of Germanic preservation. We do not support arcane anti-free speech laws imposed by any government, so you can utter your opinion without fear.

Fellonies

1 (a). This is a board for Germanic preservationists. Views, ideas, and contributions that are opposed to Germanic racial, cultural, and spiritual preservation or critical thereof, are not permitted anywhere but in the Opposition and The Undecided forum.

(b). The account of Members that are judged to be, even if only partly, sub-racially, racially, or ethnically non-Germanic, may be unappealably terminated if their presence or contributions, either individually or in combination with the presence or contributions of other such members, either by force of their numbers or their impact, are increasingly considered a risk to the integrity of or a burden to Skadi Forum, its Mission Statement, or its Germanic community.


Other Changes

Non-Germanic language forums have been closed.

The Slavic Vortex has been closed.

Gens Romana has been closed.

All of them will still stay accessible for reference purposes.


Potentially Asked Questions

Q: I'm a member and not Germanic or only partly Germanic. Can I still post here?
A: This is not a Germanics-only forum. If you are supporting Germanic preservation, make intelligent posts and have something relevant for Germanics or Germanic preservationists to say, you are welcome to post.

Q: I'm a Staff member and not Germanic or only partly Germanic. Does this mean I'm demoded?
A: No. We appreciate your past effort and neither limit membership nor Staff membership to Germanics, just in order to break our own principles at the next occasion. You are welcome to stay on Staff if you are interested in and supportive of Germanic preservation and think you will be able to enforce the new rules objectively. Needless to say, as the nature of this forum is now pro-Germanic, Germanics will have, in cases of doubt, a more qualified voice. If you are no longer interested in remaining on Staff, please submit your resignation in the Staff Forum.

Q: Does this mean one can no longer post about things unrelated to Germanics?
A: No, obviously not. You can still post about whatever you like, as long as it fits into the relevant forum or subforum and doesn't violate rules. Threads might be closed if they are deemed to be of no or little relevance to Germanics or Germanic preservationists.

Q: I'm not sure if I'm a Germanic?
A: If you are not sure whether you are a Germanic, then, as a rule of thumb, you are not.

Q: I'm not all that much interested in Germanics and Germanic preservation. I came here because this used to be a pro-European forum. Now I have no hobby anymore. What am I supposed to do?
A: There are various other forums, in which you might be more interested.


Thanks go to Aeternitas, atlanto-med, Frans_Jozef, folkish, Reginleif, and +Suomut+ whose input has encouraged me to consider this the right measure for server load management.

Zyklop
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Germanic Instead of European Jetzt geht sicher gleich ein Riesen Geschrei los... ;)

Ross
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 05:45 PM
Pity

Skadi was the only pro-European forum on the Net... or rather was trying to be...

ogenoct
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:01 PM
A shame it's. Does this mean that Skadi is officially a Nazi forum now?

MAGNA EVROPA EST PATRIA NOSTRA!

Constantin

Ross
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:10 PM
A shame it's. Does this mean that Skadi is officially a Nazi forum now?



Like Njord wrote, de facto...

I don't like the idea that Slavic sections will remain (even thou available for reading only) on such a forum...

ogenoct
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:15 PM
I don't like the idea that Slavic sections will remain (even thou available for reading only) on such a forum...
Me neither. It is embarassing. Being Germanic myself, I have obviously nothing against Germanic preservation. The problem with most Germanics on Skadi is that they view any Germanic that is not radically pro-NS as a traitor in their midst. Since I am not a Nazi, I was banned from the German section and not allowed to join the Nordic section. Skadi is gonna suck with such people in charge.

Constantin

Renwein
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:16 PM
i agree with Ross, but, i guess if it has to be done... maybe in the future it could be 'reeopened' ...

Aeternitas
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:25 PM
Great decision, Thorburn. It/you has/have my full support. :)

Evolved
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:25 PM
I doubt this will become an NS forum, as Thorburn says many times NS is not a real expression of the Germanic spirit, but opposition to NS is. :)

Well, I don't oppose Germanic preservation, I'm all for it. But I won't be posting here as much obviously.

Zrinski
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:30 PM
This is really a shame, I really like pro-European spirit of this forum...

Evolved
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:36 PM
Well, I respect Nj÷rd's decision to do what he wants with his own forum, and if I find good articles relating to Germanics I will post them here. :)

Turbamulta
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 06:39 PM
At least Combatent will stop to post his interesting threads about Spaniards.

Phlegethon
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I have all this narrow, pseudo-NS Hollywood Nazi autism around me.

From now on I shall post in the Opposition forum.

Aistulf
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 07:27 PM
Ross, ogenoct and lg don't like the change of orientation.



Gee, what a 'pity'! :roll

Prince Eugen
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 07:30 PM
Neither i do!Well at least there is Imperium Europa!

Marius
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 07:34 PM
Since Romanians are diverse and have many influences, the German one is not doubtable, along side others. The fact is not only proven by the massive vote German Democratic Forum received in a department in Transylvania and the high possibility for a national vote over this, at the next elections, in 2008, if the things will go ok in the previously specified area. This, in spite of the rightful impression of Germans over the lack of organisation and the allowance of Gypsies' presence in Romania. Unfortunately, those are Balkanic traits, which also cannot be doubtful.

Second, when a person or more decide to use his/her time in order to do something, then it is his/her right to decide.

I will comply to decisions.

Flavius Julianus
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Although I am quite a recent member on Skadi and have only posted a handful of messages about minor subjects, I feel sorry for that forced change. I have however no reason to think that the latter is due to sheer ideological reasons rather than the technical and financial ones put forward by Thorburn. Albeit non-Germanic myself, I have always hold Germanics in very high esteem for what they have done for Europe all along those millenia (as my avatar shows).
I wish a good luck to Thiazi's daughter's forum and hope the rest of your European kin will be able to create a forum endowed with the same intellectual and scientific level.
As to us, non-Germanics, I will just recall the ancient epitaph:

Niaut kubls ual

Awar
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 08:11 PM
It's his cash... if German(ic) members feel endangered by us other Europeans, on a forum, then, why not. :wave

Japetos
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 09:38 PM
C'est domage!:|

nemo
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 09:57 PM
Northern European forum 2! :D

StrÝbog
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 10:15 PM
The banner could at least have 2 attractive people, instead of a gorgeous young lady paired with a man who looks like the homeless bums who lay on the street coughing from tuberculosis and asking for money to buy liquor. This is not meant to be insulting, it is just an observation. The girl is very nice, why not pair her with a suitable male?

Combatent
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 10:40 PM
A shame to all the efforts of the European preservationist. I'm very sad.

bocian
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 10:52 PM
As with most of us (including myself), I always knew you had a bias, and never held it against you, seems the bias was just too strong. Major disappointment.

Just recently you called me a "bad European", it seems it is you who is a bad European.

bocian
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 10:54 PM
Like Njord wrote, de facto...

I don't like the idea that Slavic sections will remain (even thou available for reading only) on such a forum...

I agree, they should be deleted.

▄bersoldat
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:04 PM
I'm observing this from the bright side; At least White Eagle shall not transform this place into "another Stormfront where Serb word shall be final" :rotfl :rofl :giggle

Awar
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:07 PM
Let's not make too much of a drama. It's a forum.
We've all gotten out of this experience richer with all sorts of new knowledge and understanding. Let's agree to keep in touch, so, if someone ever opens a new, unbiased forum for all Europeans, then we can populate it and continue with the high quality discussions ( as were the majority of discussions here ).

White Falcon
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:16 PM
Well , nothing wrong with Germanic orientation ,
but I feel homeless again.

Awar
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:18 PM
Well , nothing wrong with Germanic orientation ,
but I feel homeless again.

SF-Srbija awaits you :D Use your friendly connections there and ask them to unban me :D :rotfl

White Falcon
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:28 PM
SF-Srbija awaits you :D Use your friendly connections there and ask them to unban me :D :rotfl
We can only hope that they let us back :D .

▄bersoldat
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:37 PM
I like Awars idea about staying in contact.

You can all contact me at Thephora if you find some interesting place.

Gentlemen, it was a pleasure! :emb :wave

Aeternitas
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:51 PM
Being pro-Germanic and supporting Germanic preservation does not make one a "Nazi". European preservation includes and is thus by extension also Germanic preservation. Skadi was always a pro-Germanic forum however now the focus will be on the Germanic. In that sense the change of orientation is rather a narrowing down of our scope. Thorburn is a libertarian and has always put an emphasis on free speech, which shouldn't change due to the change in orientation.

a.squiggles
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 11:51 PM
too bad :~( but what needs to be done, needs to be done...

Triglav
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 02:06 AM
It was long overdue, really. I should like to congratulate you on your decision.

I'll still stick around, read the anthropologic section and contribute to it if that proves to be congruent with the forum's new maximes. It was the reason why I joined this forum in the first place.

QuietWind
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:15 AM
:clap :thumbsup :smilies :sing

Sorry, couldn't find the right words.....

Vojvoda
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:22 AM
It was long overdue, really. I should like to congratulate you on your decision.

I'll still stick around, read the anthropologic section and contribute to it if that proves to be congruent with the forum's new maximes. It was the reason why I joined this forum in the first place.
Ditto

Oh well,Germanics need to be preserved also :D Keep in touch y'all,even the Ustashe gang :D

Vojvoda
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:40 AM
Btw,do I still get to keep 'the sexiest male on Skadi' title? :D

Odin Biggles
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:09 AM
Big shame really.

Some of better posters on here arent Germanic but Slavs like Awar,bocian, Triglav and of course Voggy, of course plenty of others but those names really stick out.

I originally only came on here to get myself classified but got sucked in lol.

Ah well ;(

Awar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:10 AM
Vojvoda: Der Deutsche Madchen Untergang

Odin Biggles
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:16 AM
The banner could at least have 2 attractive people, instead of a gorgeous young lady paired with a man who looks like the homeless bums who lay on the street coughing from tuberculosis and asking for money to buy liquor. This is not meant to be insulting, it is just an observation. The girl is very nice, why not pair her with a suitable male?
lol thats what i thought when i first saw it 0_o.

The old bearded bloke was on an English banner before :D.

Vojvoda
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:36 AM
Some of better posters on here arent Germanic but Slavs like Awar,bocian, Triglav and of course Voggy, of course plenty of others but those names really stick out.
Skadi has(had) the best posters of all European ethnicites anywhere,period :D

Triglav
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 05:06 AM
The banner could at least have 2 attractive people, instead of a gorgeous young lady paired with a man who looks like the homeless bums who lay on the street coughing from tuberculosis and asking for money to buy liquor. This is not meant to be insulting, it is just an observation. The girl is very nice, why not pair her with a suitable male? He does resemble this bum who often hangs out at the main square in one of the towns in Slovenia... :scratch

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:32 AM
Let's agree to keep in touch, so, if someone ever opens a new, unbiased forum for all Europeans, then we can populate it and continue with the high quality discussions ( as were the majority of discussions here ).
It is possible with vBulletin to split off and import forums from one board to another webspace. Loki did this with the German section of the Phora. Maybe some of you can get webspace and vBulletin and then import the Slavic Vortex and Gens Romana?

Fool
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:35 AM
Today a forum! Tomorrow the wooooorld!!!

Strengthandhonour
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:44 AM
Well isn't this dissapointing :(
This is probably the best forum I have ever been a member of. But I respect Njord's opinion since he is the one who does most of the paying to keep this site up.
But anyways, The idea of starting a new forum for us, the non-Germanic skadi members sounds excellent. I would be willing to place some money if necesary for it. If anyone is interested of doing it and has the computer skills, PM me, I would be willing to work towards it and put 100% dedication to it!

The Blond Beast
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:44 AM
I'm not going anywhere. :D

Thorburn
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 07:09 AM
Skadi was the only pro-European forum on the Net... or rather was trying to be...Indeed. However, we simply don't have the capacity for it anymore. If the boat gets full, those that have no ticket will be the first to be kicked out before it sinks.


I don't like the idea that Slavic sections will remain (even thou available for reading only) on such a forum...
I agree, they should be deleted. They will stay for the time being, as Slavic and non-Slavic posters have invested a lot of effort to provide interesting information. If someone wants to integrate them into a Slavic or European board, this can be done, same way the German section from The Phora has been imported into TNP; and I would actually be happy about it.


Since I am not a Nazi, I was banned from the German section and not allowed to join the Nordic section. You have not been banned from the German section for not being not a Nazi, but for repeated incitement and insults against members and cultural groups. There are many non-National Socialists posting on this section. Anyway, I offered you to mediate, but you said you are not interested, so stop whining.


Does this mean that Skadi is officially a Nazi forum now?Germanic does not mean National-Socialist, not more than Slavic means Communist. :oanieyes


At least Combatent will stop to post his interesting threads about Spaniards. :D


I have all this narrow, pseudo-NS Hollywood Nazi autism around me. Seeing that you are German nationalist according to your profile, a Germanic orientation seems to be still much less autistic and less pseudo-NS Hollywood Nazi compared to your own orientation.


From now on I shall post in the Opposition forum. Suits me well.


It's his cash... if German(ic) members feel endangered by us other Europeans, on a forum, then, why not. Nobody "feels endangered" by other Europeans, we simply don't have the capicity. See my reply to Ross above and bocian below.


Northern European forum 2! "Nordish" is at most a rough assimilation concept for Scandinavians. Germanics on the other hand possess a linguistic, cultural, tribal, (meta-)ethnic, and political identity and a high degree of genetic unity. If you don't understand the difference between "Nordish" and Germanic, I'm sure Triglav or Ross will be glad to explain it to you.


Just recently you called me a "bad European", it seems it is you who is a bad European.Let's see. There have been three forums with a quasi-European perspective, namely Stormfront, run by Don Black, a Germanic; Skadi, run by myself, a Germanic; and The Phora, run by Fade, a Germanic. What have Slavs produced? SAF, which is pro-Slavic, and Slavic Nationalist, which is pro-Slavic. Thus, if running a Germanic instead of European board makes me a bad European, it is quite obvious who are bad Europeans according to your standards, namely your friends at SAF and whoever runs SN now.

Since the conception of the Funding Membership, this pro-European Skadi had exactly one Slavic contributor, and she is not even considered Slavic by prominent Slavic voices on this board, such as Ross, norda, and yourself. Slavs have been invited to Staff, but decided not to contribute to the improvement of the board on a moderation level either, resigning instead. That's quite different from Mediterraneans I might add, who are represented on all levels of Staff; Johannes de Leˇn and Ederico Figallo invested as much effort into Skadi as other current Staff members, if not more, and that's also the reason why we have as many Romance as Germanic administrators. So whatever caused Slavs not wanting to support pro-European projects, it was surely not anti-Slavic bias which definitely did not exceeded anti-Mediterranean bias in the past by a long shot, and thanks to the efforts of those who care about Skadi, there has been little bias against any group as of late -- including against Slavs.

I shall thus leave it for another thread or discussion if it is an imminent nature of Slavs to take everything for granted, to want everything for free, to complain about biases instead of actively joining projects to eliminate them, and, once they don't get what they want for free, to lament and to attack those that had given them a place to discuss their issues without charging them a penny, investing thousands of dollars and ample of time into their past-time amusement. Probably it's not their nature. Probably it's just the character of some Slavs on these webboards or a phenomenon triggered by Communism. But those Slavs I would not consider good Europeans for sure. They might be good Slavs and good nationalists but that's where it ends.

Do I have a problem with it? I don't. If Slavs preserve themselves, Europeans will be preserved. I'm all for Slavic webboards. I'm all for Slavic autonomy. I'm all for Slavs managing their own affairs and forums, and for Slavs joining them and posting there. This is exactly what this measure shall achieve. Slavs, Celts, Mediterraneans will post more on other boards: Stormfront, The Phora, Slavic Anthropology, Slavic Nationalist, Irish Nationalism, Blut und Boden, Ave Melita, and so forth, all of which are great and which I can recommend. Please go there and sign up. That's exactly what I want. It will decrease Skadi's load by moving discussions relevant primarily to Slavs to other boards, most or all of which (apart from Stormfront) could still accomodate 10 times the amount of concurrent members without running into any capacity problems. It will also decrease load by moving out most of the Nord vs. Med, Germanics vs. Slavs conflicts to other boards which, in my view, are getting very old anyway. Pretty much everything that could be said has been said already. The discussions will be spidered as before and everyone that is interested in such information will find them. If you have something to say of relevance to Germanics, be welcome to post it here.

For Skadi and those that care about its existance and sustenance, however, which happen to be almost exclusively Germanics, it will mean that Skadi will stay fast and available, and that they can continue to discuss issues relevant to them. If that makes me a bad European, then I shall carry this title with pride.


Let's not make too much of a drama. It's a forum.
We've all gotten out of this experience richer with all sorts of new knowledge and understanding. Let's agree to keep in touch, so, if someone ever opens a new, unbiased forum for all Europeans, then we can populate it and continue with the high quality discussions ( as were the majority of discussions here ). That's the voice of reason, indeed. Johannes de Leˇn apparently is already in the process of creating another board. It, too, has my support. Skadi has been supporting and advertizing racially conscious European initiatives regardless of their meta-ethnic origin or political orientation since its conception, be it via the topsites, the banner exchange, hosting, or this forum. Could I invest a new car every year (~$8,000,-) into a webboard to continue this effort without dying from starvation? Probably. Do I consider it worth it? No, I simply don't. Save the money up and with accumulated interests I can feed all my kids, nephews and nieces through years of university with that money. Life is all about priorities.


It was long overdue, really. I should like to congratulate you on your decision.

I'll still stick around, read the anthropologic section and contribute to it if that proves to be congruent with the forum's new maximes. It was the reason why I joined this forum in the first place. At least you are consistent. ;)


Btw,do I still get to keep 'the sexiest male on Skadi' title? Ummmmm... we might rename it to "the sexiest Slav" if Ross agrees. :D


Skadi has(had) the best posters of all European ethnicites anywhere,period :D :thumbsup

Mac Seafraidh
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 07:24 AM
Will there be multiple Germanic banners? I think it would be a great idea, but I am only suggesting. Since everyone put effort into the banners from before, it would be shameful to "throw" them away so to speak. Perhaps they could be used as signatures? I don't know. I was bashed apart when it came to ideas most of the time, so if anyone feels like looking at this idea go ahead. ;(

Thorburn
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:35 AM
The banner could at least have 2 attractive people, instead of a gorgeous young lady paired with a man who looks like the homeless bums who lay on the street coughing from tuberculosis and asking for money to buy liquor. This is not meant to be insulting, it is just an observation. The girl is very nice, why not pair her with a suitable male? It's the Saxon king. The Saxons being, needless to say, the Germanic tribe with arguably the most impressive history and achievements, manifested both through Germany and England. It's probably not an entirely inaccurate cultural representation of Germanic culture in medieval times, and I actually like the image a lot. :scratch

Anyway, if you have better proposals, feel free to submit them. We could make a poll or have different banners, as before.

Zyklop
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:08 AM
The Saxons being, needless to say, the Germanic tribe with arguably the most impressive history and achievements, manifested both through Germany and England.
Arguably (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=27397) :glasses

Jack
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:17 AM
Why doesn't Skadi just turn into a more expanded An Nor­vestrid Halla?

Glenlivet
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:49 AM
What will happen to Tuatha na Gael/Ceilteach (which is a sub-forum of An Nor­vestrid Halla)?




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Non-Germanic language forums have been closed.

The Slavic Vortex has been closed.

Gens Romana has been closed.

Glenlivet
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:01 AM
Will you also keep forums like Soap Operas? Nj÷rd, can you see its use?

Is Imperium Europa the forum left for discussions not related to Germanic issues?

Marius
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:20 AM
Two simple questions:

"ANH seems locked to me, if I have things connected on the history of the Germans in Romania, or the presence of Goths on the teritory, where should they be put? At "History and Culture" area? In this case, which is the use of the ANH?".

Danke sch÷n.

Another point, in the case, of the acception of only Germanic members is the fact that really all the English areas become useless. Shouldn't be used only the National Forum in this case for posting and the rest to remain just for referral? I think this would eventually lead to the avoidance of membership from people who just claim Germanism and they are not. I think a real Pan-German must at least a bit capable to express and understand at least some German, not to mention a real German. Of course, the sections on Nordic Germanic languages must be also kept open.

Because, if one does not do that and it is a public forum, it's like "look what I have and you don't have the right...Hi hi hi." for others who understand only English. So, I think the English must not be anymore the basic element, but only another sub-forum.

And yes, another question: "Will the disputes still be allowed? I mean if we do not agree over an issue concerning Germanic problems, is it still ok or one must only say 'yes'?"

AngryElenoAmericanos
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:53 AM
This is my first post here, I just signed up and now I see you made a very big change here at skadi, oh well.

Thorburn
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:56 AM
Two simple questions:

"ANH seems locked to me, if I have things connected on the history of the Germans in Romania, or the presence of Goths on the teritory, where should they be put? At "History and Culture" area? In this case, which is the use of the ANH?".

Danke sch÷n.
What will happen to Tuatha na Gael/Ceilteach (which is a sub-forum of An Nor­vestrid Halla)?

Will you also keep forums like Soap Operas? Nj÷rd, can you see its use?

Is Imperium Europa the forum left for discussions not related to Germanic issues? About A.N.H. and other forums will be decided within the next days. This is discussed amongst Staff at the moment.


Another point, in the case, of the acception of only Germanic members We don't accept only Germanic members. I have no way to verify people's ancestral trees.


is the fact that really all the English areas become useless. The English are Germanics.


Shouldn't be used only the National Forum in this case for posting and the rest to remain just for referral? No.


I think this would eventually lead to the avoidance of membership from people who just claim Germanism and they are not. You might confuse German with Germanic. In either way, membership is in principle not limited to Germanics only.


I think a real Pan-German must at least a bit capable to express and understand at least some German, not to mention a real German. A pan-Germanicist, like every educated Germanic, should understand German, simply because it is the most important Germanic language after English in the world. A conditio sine qua non it is not, not more than it is necessary to speak any other Germanic language.


Of course, the sections on Nordic Germanic languages must be also kept open. Folkvang will stay open, naturally.


And yes, another question: "Will the disputes still be allowed? I mean if we do not agree over an issue concerning Germanic problems, is it still ok or one must only say 'yes'?" See Skadi's rules.

Marius
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 11:42 AM
I missexpressed and I am sorry. I will try to be more clear.

My suggestion was to replace the current positioning of the Nationales Forum, to become the main sub-forum one in stead of the English one. Then add the elements of the ANH and Nordic Languages, to make some kind of Germanic International sub-Forum and the old elements of Skadi English section and TSV and GR only as referals in the end of the page, as another refferal subforum.

This to prove respect for others, who are not Germanic and would like to express. This, in case you do not want to show disrespect on the non-purely Germanic people...

This type of arrangement would clearly prove it is only a Germanic Forum and not a Forum where only the pro-Germanic views are accepted, which are two different things in my oppinion: Germanic Forum meaning culture, language and racial preservation (very good idea) and pro-Germanic meaning the cult of personality and tribal origins, which is not quite normal, imho.

To illustrate more, it is like differences between Pan-Germanism, Nazism and Skinhead-ism. The succession of terms indicates the degree of deviation from the initial term.

Not to mention that the type of suggested arrangement would be much simplier to deal with and will stop people to enter, when they see languages they may not completely understand as preponderent.

Aistulf
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 11:58 AM
I'm not going anywhere. :D

Meta-Ethnicity: Slavic/GermanicI see you've added 'Germanic' :P



Will there be multiple Germanic banners? I think it would be a great idea, but I am only suggesting. Since everyone put effort into the banners from before, it would be shameful to "throw" them away so to speak. Perhaps they could be used as signatures? I don't know. I was bashed apart when it came to ideas most of the time, so if anyone feels like looking at this idea go ahead. ;(
Good point, I still like Dutch_3 and Lombardian a lot, they are 'compatible' with the new Skadi aswell :D

Thorburn
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 12:06 PM
Good point, I still like Dutch_3 and Lombardian a lot, they are 'compatible' with the new Skadi aswell :D 'European' would have to be replaced with 'Germanic' in all the Germanic banners.

sciath
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 12:28 PM
Considering the technical problems, your decision seems wise Nj÷rd. You made great job ! Viel Dank' ;)

Phlegethon
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 12:45 PM
Seeing that you are German nationalist according to your profile, a Germanic orientation seems to be still much less autistic and less pseudo-NS Hollywood Nazi compared to your own orientation.
Well, my identity starts with being German(ic) - but it does not end there, which automatically separates me from most Skadiites. I also do not suffer from the typical American identity crisis of being a rootless mutt and thus do not need the self-affirmation of the Skadi anthropofantasy circle jerk.

The German Forum on this webboard is a negative selection and most of those who favor some kind of NS system would be first round draft choices for the labor camps. That is what makes these people so ridiculous and absurd. Their autism prevents them from realizing that they are only helping our adversaries through their uncanny ideological imbecility. Because of that I prefer the company of non-Germanic patricians to Germanic plebeians.

Thorburn
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 01:17 PM
Well, my identity starts with being German(ic) - but it does not end there, which automatically separates me from most Skadiites. I also do not suffer from the typical American identity crisis of being a rootless mutt and thus do not need the self-affirmation of the Skadi anthropofantasy circle jerk. Your cynicism and your language skills separate you as well. :D


The German Forum on this webboard is a negative selection and most of those who favor some kind of NS system would be first round draft choices for the labor camps. It could need a bit more philosophical dissent. It's not a problem of the German section per se, however, than of the current audience that makes use of it. The section itself is not limited to NS but extends to German nationalism. Charlie Chaplin, Rudi Dutschke, and even Mr. FRG don't have problems. More and different people will come....


That is what makes these people so ridiculous and absurd. Their autism prevents them from realizing that they are only helping our adversaries through their uncanny ideological imbecility. You know that I agree with this to a large extent. I'm just not for allowing aliens or these wonderful de facto regimes on German soil to tell us which symbols we can use or what we can peacefully express and what not.


Because of that I prefer the company of non-Germanic patricians to Germanic plebeians. Surely, the sensible aristocracies of all peoples recognize and instinctively understand each other, sharing knowledge, reason, and common values. But that's not a problem of the forum orientation: there is Germanic but there is also non-Germanic, European, and non-European hoi polloi. It's a problem of separating between the plebs and the gentry. We should and probably will have to be stricter on quality enforcement in future, too.

ogenoct
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 01:45 PM
Just recently you called me a "bad European", it seems it is you who is a bad European.
And what about the quote by Nietzsche that Njoerd admired?: "I might not be a good German, but I am a good European."

Constantin

morfrain_encilgar
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 01:58 PM
Me neither. It is embarassing. Being Germanic myself, I have obviously nothing against Germanic preservation. The problem with most Germanics on Skadi is that they view any Germanic that is not radically pro-NS as a traitor in their midst. Since I am not a Nazi, I was banned from the German section and not allowed to join the Nordic section. Skadi is gonna suck with such people in charge.

Constantin

Because I cant read German, I cant say about the Greman section but An Nordvestrid Halla isn't a Nazi hangout, its like the Latin and Slavic serctions were but for Germanics and Celtics.

And in my opinion, I dont see what anyones problem is, because everyones still allowed to post here, so nobodys being kicked out for not being Germanic. Skadi always had a Germanic leaning, so its not even a big change and I cant see Skadi turning into a Nutzi or Skinhead or White Power forum because of this.

Agrippa
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 02:58 PM
Well, I just hope this decision doesnt harm the overall good climate and European connections of this forum, it would be a pity if so.

But I dont think it really will, at least I hope so.

Evolved
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:11 PM
Ross, ogenoct and lg don't like the change of orientation.



Gee, what a 'pity'! :roll

Read my posts in this thread again before you talk out of your ass.

Zynaroq
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 03:57 PM
Ahh well their will always be www.stormfront.org/forum (http://www.stormfront.org/forum) !

Dasbuck
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:21 PM
It is unfortunate that this turn of events had to occur, since this was unquestioningly the zenith of all pro-European forums I have encountered until this point. I think we should all thank Njord for his dedication and financial expenditures in the effort to keep this forum active. All others involved also should be recognized for their contributions, as this forum seems to have truly captured the core essence of our common European heritage.
However, let's look at this from a more positive light: The reason this forum had to alter itself was due to the vast amount of people interacting with one another here. This means that more people are actively participating in the redemption of our race and culture, and that is worth far more than just one forum, however much we all have enjoyed it.

No Code
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:29 PM
WTF?!!?Now im feeling homeless...and my fellows Johannes de Leˇn,Combatents and others meds?

Louky
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Well, I just hope this decision doesnt harm the overall good climate and European connections of this forum, it would be a pity if so.

But I dont think it really will, at least I hope so.
I hope not, too.

It seems these changes in orientation were caused by Skadi reaching its server capacity again and having to narrow its focus. Also, the simultaneous (and dependent!) development of other nationalist fora has lessened the need for broader appeal. The worst consequence I see is the possibility of racially liberal sites taking up the "European Cultural, Spiritual, and Racial Preservation" banner.

Phlegethon
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 04:56 PM
All webboards - political or not - tend towards self-destruction. Skadi is no exception.

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:01 PM
I wrote this piece for the Inner Circle of Skadi several months ago as a renunciation of the debatable equation Nordish and Germanentum and proposing to lay more emphasis what hold people together by culture and determines as much our identity as biochemical formulae and evolutionary gimmicks.
How much validity my viewpoint would earn by snippits of personal information and reports how young people of pure Germanic heritage and presumingly Nordid/Nordish appearance lost in a desolate and hyperkynetic landscape of spectacles and simulacra, self-guilt and mutilations of the mind and soul...would sell themselves out to the dominant creed and hand-outs of a desertic tribe...from one desert to the other...the entombment of a culture that lost its pride and character.



Germanics are a natural linguistic and cultural-ethical group, defined as ethnic, by which I may adduce that culture refers to a whole package of knowledge, belief, art, symbolism, customs...any possible capability and habit of a given society, read here: meta-society.
L.White's definition lays emphasis on the noos-aspect, the spiritual aspect of bonding that isn't confined by race, but imo circumscribes it and absorbs it to make integral part of the ethnos as a corner stone, but just one of them.
"Culture is a class of things and events, dependent upon symboling, considered in an extra-somatic context."
The Germanics saw themselves as descending from the first male creature and Ur-Ahn of the Germanic people, born from the earth god Tuisto/Tuisco, in other words, a religious concept united the Germanics and primitives see themselves in the first place as humans, strangers or foreigners fall out of the category; it's more species-related than crucially build from racial concoctions.
Of further interest are the theses of Bateson in bringing the ethical premise to the foreground.
Ethos is a system of emotional attitudes raised by a community and considered as of high value, appraised for its merits to face satisfaction and dissatisfaction delivered by the various twist and turns that Life offers.
Skadi is already Germanic-centred, though we have nicely demarcated our rightfully place amidst our neighbouring meta-ethnics and gathering often under a normal constellation in friendly terms with other groups.

Triglav
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 06:40 PM
At least you are consistent. ;)

In fact, I do see where others are coming from (though I apparently don't share their sentiments at all). Skadi was turning more and more pro-European, even to an extent that I was actually almost going to buy it (the fact that you've been making an effort - not that you've achieved it), especially thanks to Johannes de Leˇn. I still think he should stick to his music. ;)

Aistulf
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:31 PM
'European' would have to be replaced with 'Germanic' in all the Germanic banners.
I can have that fixed, no problem at all :)

Wayfarer
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 08:37 PM
What about the future. Will Skadi ever return to a pro-european site if it becomes financially viable to do so?
Also is the mission of Skadi to be just a discussion board? Will it, if finances permit, ever reach outside discussion forums? For example, establishing Germanc cultural organisations, or maybe even establish a Foundation for Germanic culture and language, or somethings like that?
How about creating an auction site? Skadi could raise revunues through it, which can be used to fund other activites.
Why not make Skadi a not-for-profit charity?

Hagalaz
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 09:10 PM
Do you guys consider Celts to be Germanic? Some people do, since the two greatly intermingled racially and culturally.

Abby Normal
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 10:54 PM
From now on I shall post in the Opposition forum.That is exactly what I had in mind: I do not wish to be associated with what this agenda of forum has apparently been transmuted into.

I'll catch y'all in "Opposition and Undecided"/ "Free Speech" sometime! :)

The Blond Beast
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 12:17 AM
I see you've added 'Germanic' :P

I changed that quite some time ago. Up until that point it had remained 'Slavic' (I consider myself a Slav), as one couldn't be specific due to there being only an either/or option. :P

Odin Biggles
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 02:03 AM
I changed that quite some time ago. Up until that point it had remained 'Slavic' (I consider myself a Slav), as one couldn't be specific due to there being only an either/or option. :P
Sometimes i wake up in the morning andf feel all Celtic but when i look in the mirror i realise im Germanic, but then when i eat im a Slav :D.

Phaos
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 02:16 AM
This change of orientation saddens me, but, Njord's parable of the boat contains an argument hard to beat. :(

Thorburn
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 02:41 AM
The Nordish vs. Germanic discussion (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=27467) has been split into the Anthropology section.

Jack
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 02:51 AM
WTF?!!?Now im feeling homeless...and my fellows Johannes de Leˇn,Combatents and others meds?
If you don't mind the idea of a Pan-European forum with an unwritten leaning towards the Anglo world (though is by no means hostile towards other Europeans), then www.thephora.org (http://www.thephora.org) might be for you.

Vlad Cletus
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 02:53 AM
Too bad it's over. Over the year that I have been here, I've gathered so much information concerning various subjects... Anthropology, History, Culture, any delicate subject relating to Europe or it's Peoples. Skadi has it all! This has been the most educational experience for me, probably throughout my whole life when putting aside various trips to Europe. I was thinking of posting a thread regarding Skadi's prominent educational, and informing experience.

Skadi has truly been the forefront to combatting degeneracy for me, or at least forgetting about the disgusting stuff all around me, Jewish Pop-Culture, abnormal Media broadcasting etc.

Will I be allowed to still post or navigate the forum?

Cheers to All, Highest Regards

Jack
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 03:13 AM
Do you guys consider Celts to be Germanic? Some people do, since the two greatly intermingled racially and culturally.
I'm presently arguing a similar case in the Skadi staff forum.

Thorburn
Sunday, November 28th, 2004, 03:15 AM
The discussion about the banner (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=235225) has been split into a Staff Poll.