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yamato
Monday, November 22nd, 2004, 01:32 AM
it's most likely trash, but

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/we_are_a_nation_of_ventriloquist.htm

for those of you who don't even bother

it's primary premise is that there were negritos living in southern china around the time of the Xia Dynasty, (earliest dynasty in china ~3000 BC). article also states that martial art forms like tai-chi, kung-fu and tae kwan doe were developed out of the ancient african style of fighting. it also states that blacks formed the nucleus of indian civilization and were the ones who developed concepts such as hinduism and bhuddism

Tricknologist
Monday, November 22nd, 2004, 01:58 AM
That site reminded me of another afro-centrist site by Runoko Rashidi (http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/runoko.html). The author obviously believes that using CAPS LOCK makes a convincing argument.

These afro-centrist need to learn the difference between an Austroloid and a negro. But, they can't tell the difference between a European and a semite either, so I guess that's just par for the course.

Test
Monday, November 22nd, 2004, 02:07 AM
it's most likely trash, but

http://www.stewartsynopsis.com/we_are_a_nation_of_ventriloquist.htm

for those of you who don't even bother

it's primary premise is that there were negritos living in southern china around the time of the Xia Dynasty, (earliest dynasty in china ~3000 BC). article also states that martial art forms like tai-chi, kung-fu and tae kwan doe were developed out of the ancient african style of fighting. it also states that blacks formed the nucleus of indian civilization and were the ones who developed concepts such as hinduism and bhuddismYes, negritos were the original inhabitants of southern China before Mongoloid expansion in the neolithic, but negritos aren't Africans, even though they look close to it. This is not even mentioning that by the time Chinese civilization started, the negritos were already pushed to isolated pockets and made minorities in their own land by southern Mongoloids. Plus, there is absolutely no evidence for any negrito contribution to Chinese civilization...
Wait... Why am I even wasting my time refuting an Afrocentrist? They are even more illogical than Nordicists who think that every single accomplishment in human history can be traced back to Scandanavia.

yamato
Monday, November 22nd, 2004, 02:07 AM
its biggest relevation is that the yellow race is the product of the black and white race. funny, i've never really saw simpson's children as being asian.


in another page on that site, stewart declares the indo-european tongue is the offshoot of an african language, due to a convoluted argument that indo-european is partly indian in origin, and since india has a prominent negrito(which he interprets to be african) strain, the indo-european language originated in africa

Test
Monday, November 22nd, 2004, 02:13 AM
its biggest relevation is that the yellow race is the product of the black and white race. funny, i've never really saw simpson's children as being asian.Well, we are all products of earlier peoples.



in another page on that site, stewart declares the indo-european tongue is the offshoot of an african language, due to a convoluted argument that indo-european is partly indian in origin, and since india has a prominent negrito(which he interprets to be african) strain, the indo-european language originated in africaI'm not even going to bother wasting my time on addressing this.

Emperor
Monday, December 6th, 2004, 05:01 AM
Sure, africans founded Chinese civilization, but left their homeland (africa) uncivilized. What a bunch of crap.

Aistulf
Saturday, December 11th, 2004, 10:10 PM
Sure, africans founded Chinese civilization, but left their homeland (africa) uncivilized. What a bunch of crap.
What's wrong Emperor? It sounds true to me, in the PM's you've sent me I did notice some very distinct Negroid characteristics :P

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 05:51 AM
Oh yes, it makes perfect sense to me.

A few years ago a doctor or archaeologist at the British Museum, Rosalee David, or something like that (a Jew) found evidence that Egyptians, especially the upper class, ingested cocaine which she said proved trade relations between the Old and New World. I maintain, however, that evidence of cocaine in ancient Egyptians proves they were Black. ( you know, Blacks and cocaine are inseperable).

This does have a bearing on the Africans founded Chinese civilization theory because only a Negro on cocaine could have possible come up with something like this.

jugurtha
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 11:20 PM
Oh yes, it makes perfect sense to me.

A few years ago a doctor or archaeologist at the British Museum, Rosalee David, or something like that (a Jew) found evidence that Egyptians, especially the upper class, ingested cocaine which she said proved trade relations between the Old and New World. I maintain, however, that evidence of cocaine in ancient Egyptians proves they were Black. ( you know, Blacks and cocaine are inseperable).

This does have a bearing on the Africans founded Chinese civilization theory because only a Negro on cocaine could have possible come up with something like this.

This thread turns to be racist rather than racialist.

First :
All humans came from africa.

Second :
The ones that left africa were already whitish.

Third :
I do not believe that the immediate ancestors of Europeans and Asians have their roots in Africa 30000 Years ago as it is often said everywhere. Or if they did, they were already whitish since it is very difficult to believe that someone turns white in 30000 years. (Is it possible BTW ?)

Actually the migrations were not only from Africa to Eurasia but in both directions and the current negroids are only a small part of the african people. Remember that bantous peoples were scattered around central west africa.

Enzed
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 12:52 AM
First :
All humans came from africa.

Second :
The ones that left africa were already whitish.


If all humans originated in Africa and the ones that left were "whitish", then how did the so called negritos, melanesians and australoids get to where they were? The australoids of Australia are said to have been there for at least 40,000 years. This viewpoint also presupposes that the original ancestor of todays humans were black like sub-saharan blacks and that "we" lightened.

Does anyone know when the Sahara became a dessert?

yamato
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 01:28 AM
simple, global changes as a result of the receding of the last ice age ~10,000 years ago. before then, the sahara was a lush grassland, rich in flora and fauna.

RedEgosyntonicSun
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 01:34 AM
Negritos are south-asian, they may resemble in some aspects to african negroes, but genetically these are rather different and are not connected. This is like taking black panther for a black bear. Of course the article is nonsense and poor propaganda.

RedEgosyntonicSun
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 01:54 AM
Third :
I do not believe that the immediate ancestors of Europeans and Asians have their roots in Africa 30000 Years ago as it is often said everywhere. Or if they did, they were already whitish since it is very difficult to believe that someone turns white in 30000 years. (Is it possible BTW ?)

Actually the migrations were not only from Africa to Eurasia but in both directions and the current negroids are only a small part of the african people. Remember that bantous peoples were scattered around central west africa.

Colour(pigmentation) is the most unstable and fastest changeable characteristic in Nature at all. It is not hard to notice that species differ one from another not in colour but morphologically, functionally and structurally. Color is the lastest detail. Thus white cats are not genetically connected to white bears more than black cats are.
About humans it is really impossible to detemine by dna test or bones how were the first african humans pigmented. If it is true that when they appeared in Africa the climate was temparate and not hot and that humid, it would be fair to suppose they were yellowish to fair complexed. About philogenetics this is not important, however.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 02:34 AM
This thread turns to be racist rather than racialist.

First :
All humans came from africa.

Second :
The ones that left africa were already whitish.

Third :
I do not believe that the immediate ancestors of Europeans and Asians have their roots in Africa 30000 Years ago as it is often said everywhere. Or if they did, they were already whitish since it is very difficult to believe that someone turns white in 30000 years. (Is it possible BTW ?)

Actually the migrations were not only from Africa to Eurasia but in both directions and the current negroids are only a small part of the african people. Remember that bantous peoples were scattered around central west africa.

Yes, I will plead guilty to racism.

1. Now maybe we can get to the substance of the article. There is no way any kinky-haired people founded anything remotely Chinese.

2. How could people who just left Africa ever be "whitish"?

3. What people are you talking about in your back-to-Africa statement?

4. The Bantu expansion was very recent and is still going on. What does this have to do with the subject at hand?

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 03:16 AM
Afterthought: Juzurtha, since we are talking all around the topic of "Black Civilization", I have a challenge for you from a confirmed racist. Name one Black Civilization which has ever existed on this planet.

My definition of civilization: a culture in which there is urban living, stratification (rich, poor, rulers, priests, politics) and specialization (in the way people earn a living) and writing.

yamato
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 03:23 AM
would the civilizations of nubia, benin, ghana, mali, songhai, or aksum qualify?

Enzed
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 05:04 AM
would the civilizations of nubia, benin, ghana, mali, songhai, or aksum qualify?Nubia was Egyptian civilisation transplanted south, as for the others, the Arabs imparted a large degree of technology to the sub-saharan africans. Do you know anything about the origins of these civilisations or did you just get the names for them off the internet?

Enzed
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 05:08 AM
simple, global changes as a result of the receding of the last ice age ~10,000 years ago. before then, the sahara was a lush grassland, rich in flora and fauna.
So we can assume that it has been in the last 10,000 years that north africans and sub-saharan africans became noticeably divergent in morphology and pigmentation.

morfrain_encilgar
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 05:56 AM
would the civilizations of nubia, benin, ghana, mali, songhai, or aksum qualify?

East Africa is culturally Mediterranean, not subsaharan African, and racially its a cline between the Caucasoids and the Subsaharan types so Nubia and Ethiopia arent properly black African.

morfrain_encilgar
Sunday, December 19th, 2004, 06:46 AM
So we can assume that it has been in the last 10,000 years that north africans and sub-saharan africans became noticeably divergent in morphology and pigmentation.

In morphology, no.

Though the Sahara was previously less arid, and more genetic contact was possible between Eurasia and Africa than there is today, as seen by Afalou, a barrier to migration was still present in the Upper Paleolithic.

Yamato is wrong about the dating of when the Sahara was most recently fertile, because in the Upper Paleolithic the Sahara is believed to have been arid until it became wetter again after this time and it was repopulated. This was the Khartoum Mesolithic, or Aqualithic culture. The climate became drier again later ("The moist climatic regime, punctuated by a cold, dry phase c. 11,35010,250 BP, peaked c. 95008500 BP. Rainfall decreased gradually across North Africa after c. 8000 BP, with regional variation in timing and severity.").

The Negroid race was probably founded by the mixture of North African and subsaharan elements together, because the Iberomaurusian type (robust North Africans) left their physical remains south of the Sahara, with North African haplogroups.