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Nordhammer
Monday, December 22nd, 2003, 06:21 AM
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/12/09/BAGEM3J5H01.DTL

Retailer's image problem: Racism

Joan Ryan Tuesday, December 9, 2003


[One of the few retailers to continually show Nords together]

http://whiteextinction.com/ambfitch.jpg



I didn't get her name, but I'm guessing Brittany or Jordan. She was standing at the check-out counter yesterday of the Abercrombie & Fitch store at the San Francisco Center on Market Street. She was blond, thin and wearing a spaghetti-strap camisole and a cutoff-jeans miniskirt low enough on her hips to reveal the waistband of her Abercrombie & Fitch long johns.

"Can I help you?''

"I'd like to apply for job,'' I said.

"Oh,'' she said, momentarily flustered. "You want to check on an application?''

"No, I'd like an application.''

She handed me the form, then at my request left to fetch the manager. Huge photographs of fresh-faced blonds covered the walls. As I waited, two actual fresh-faced blond employees, trying not to be obvious, peeked around the wall to take a look at me for themselves.

Word had spread: A middle-aged woman in a turtle-neck and slacks was asking for an application. To work here. With us. I must have seemed to them like a slab of headcheese trying to sneak on to a plate of petits fours.

The fresh-faced blond manager couldn't have been nicer. He said all the right things: The store was always looking for good people, so drop off the finished application any time.

But I haven't turned in the application. I don't need another job, and I know -- and the surely manager knows -- I don't embody the carefully and expensively created A&F persona.

Neither, apparently, do young minority applicants, according to a class- action suit filed against the 602-store chain. The plaintiffs claim Abercrombie & Fitch discriminates against minorities by pressuring stores to hire sales associates who fit the "A&F look,'' which from their catalogs, advertisements and looping videos in their stores, is white, young and preferably blond. The plaintiffs claim they were denied jobs or squeezed out of jobs because of their race or ethnicity.

But as I watched a "60 Minutes'' piece on the suit Sunday night, I wondered about the balance of private enterprise vs. public values. How do we weigh a company's right to maximize its ability to attract its target audience against society's obligation to protect its citizens against discrimination?

For example, I wouldn't have much luck getting work at, say, Yank Sing restaurant or Hooters. My age and/or ethnicity do not best reflect the image the companies want to project.

So isn't it simply good business for a company appealing to a certain clientele to hire a staff that will attract that clientele? And if it's OK for a Chinese restaurant to hire only Chinese waiters to create a certain ambience and for Hooters to hire only buxom young things to please its customers, why is it not OK for A&F to hire almost exclusively young, white employees to sell to a mostly young, white customer base?

As black talk show host and lawyer Larry Elder said on "60 Minutes,'' "This is about a business deciding, pursuant to its best interests ... that a particular kind of salesperson is more likely to generate more dollars. A&F ought to have the right to set their own policies for good or for ill.''

Well, no. Then it also would be OK for a restaurant owner in Selma, Ala., to claim he doesn't hire African Americans because white waitresses and cooks make his white customers more comfortable and are better for business.

"And that argument died a long time ago,'' said Garry Mathiason, a senior partner at Littler, Mendelson, which represents about 30,000 employers. "It's not only legally wrong, it's not accepted by society.''

According to the suit, A&F is "enforcing a nationwide corporate policy of preferring white employees for sales positions, desirable work assignments and favorable work schedules.'' The suit says the company recruits employees from colleges, fraternities, sororities and sports that are predominantly white.

"They aren't recruiting from the basketball team,'' said Tom Saenz, one of the attorneys who coordinated the suit.

One UC Berkeley student, who is not white, alleges he applied several times at the downtown and Stonestown A&F stores in San Francisco. Despite retail experience, he was told there were no positions. But several weeks after his first application, four white male friends applied and were hired immediately and scheduled for shifts.

"A company can project whatever image it wants, but it can't use it as a cover for race discrimination,'' said Elaine Elinson of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights in San Francisco.

Abercrombie spokespeople have said on several occasions the retailer does not discriminate. It rejects the accusation that it is a racist company. One could argue that at least it isn't as blatantly racist as the national retailer that sold T-shirts last year depicting two Chinese laundrymen with the words, "Two Wongs can make it white.''

Oh, wait. That was Abercrombie. Never mind.

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StrÝbog
Monday, December 22nd, 2003, 07:32 AM
But as I watched a "60 Minutes'' piece on the suit Sunday night, I wondered about the balance of private enterprise vs. public values. How do we weigh a company's right to maximize its ability to attract its target audience against society's obligation to protect its citizens against discrimination?

This kind of garbage is what passes for social theory these days. Who decided society had this 'obligation'? Who decides what 'society' is? This
supposedly universal 'obligation' is only selectively enforced when it is to the advantage of the media and politicians.



For example, I wouldn't have much luck getting work at, say, Yank Sing restaurant or Hooters. My age and/or ethnicity do not best reflect the image the companies want to project.


Yet white people don't sue Chinese restaurants. Maybe minorities should take a hint and do likewise.



Well, no. Then it also would be OK for a restaurant owner in Selma, Ala., to claim he doesn't hire African Americans because white waitresses and cooks make his white customers more comfortable and are better for business.


That IS OK. It's also OK if blacks only want to serve/work with other blacks, Chinese other Chinese, etc.



"And that argument died a long time ago,'' said Garry Mathiason, a senior partner at Littler, Mendelson, which represents about 30,000 employers. "It's not only legally wrong, it's not accepted by society.''


Who decided it was legally wrong? Who is this ultimate arbiter of Cosmic Truth and Justice? The US Supreme Court? :-P The media barons?



According to the suit, A&F is "enforcing a nationwide corporate policy of preferring white employees for sales positions, desirable work assignments and favorable work schedules.'' The suit says the company recruits employees from colleges, fraternities, sororities and sports that are predominantly white.


I don't LIKE A&F, and I never patronize them, but it's totally their business. Why don't the whiny minorities go work for FUBU or something?

Laedifox
Monday, December 22nd, 2003, 08:04 AM
Does anyone really think that a fresh faced blonde girl or guy could get a job at, say, FUBU or Phat Farm?

Heh. I think not. :: rolls eyes ::

Evolved
Monday, December 22nd, 2003, 08:50 AM
Sure she could, she'd just have to sleep with Leroy the manager. :-P

Nordhammer
Monday, December 22nd, 2003, 11:03 AM
Sure she could, she'd just have to sleep with Leroy the manager. :-P

No self-respecting white could. Only if the white is a liberal/wigger who sells himself/herself out and is a coward and a pawn.

In fact, no self-respecting white can really be around nonwhites. What I mean by this is the majority of nonwhites are offended if a white stands up for himself/herself. I have only met a few who are courageous and honest enough to accept a proud white, but once you cross that line and assert yourself, they really don't trust you and unlikely you can be friends with them beyond work/casual. Not that nonwhite friendships are necessary or meaningful anyway.

Pro-whiteness and multiculturalism do not mix. Multiculturalism can only succeed when whites suppress themselves and give nonwhites special benefits. It is doubtful our current society of "multiculturalism" could exist if whites were truly free, there would be constant conflict.

As VNN says - Nothing goes right until we go white. No Jews, Just Right.

StrÝbog
Tuesday, December 23rd, 2003, 10:43 PM
Certainly not all members of other races have problems with white assertiveness *when presented intelligently, fairly and politely* They mostly have problems with Might is Right jerkoffs saying that while Europeans should be free to conquer/eliminate/subjugate all others, the Jews are Satan's own for taking over European and American societies... Can you blame them for not welcoming the "I want to destroy you" crowd with open arms?

They probably also have issues with the ignorant strain of racialism that goes something like 'hyuck ah hayte (fill in the blank slur)' because this group of people is largely white trash with as little or less intelligence as the groups they dislike, and no sound basis for their conclusions. These people have never read serious academic articles like Rushton, they read Stormfront. These are the same people that talk about blacks being poor and crime-prone, and yet themselves work blue-collar meaningless jobs, have high crime rates, and have no appreciation for the higher European culture they claim to defend. Instead of discussing Beethoven, Descartes, Dostoyevsky, they debate which cheap beer is better.

I have non-white friends. I don't date them, consider intermarriage, or anything like that. They are more intelligent and productive than many white bottom-feeders. I don't put anyone in the 'good' or 'bad' category just because of their race, and neither does Rushton. What he says is that there are tendencies, correlations to different crime rates , intelligence levels, etc. among the different races. I am a racial realist but I am not an asshole who presumes that all whites are superior to all non-whites.

I already know that this will get be labelled a 'traitor,' 'Jew' and other such epithets, but I think I've outlined my position well.

Nordhammer
Wednesday, December 24th, 2003, 01:04 AM
I already know that this will get be labelled a 'traitor,' 'Jew' and other such epithets

You sound like a typical selfish white person really, every-man-for-himself personality... who has a tendency to self-hate and spit on other whites before non-whites, which I consider a form of cowardice. I see this personality type in some families, a person treats their own family like trash because they're comfortable, while being submissive to strangers out of fear.

I bet you really suck up to your nonwhite friends don't you, you can't kiss enough black ass. LOL "Yeah these white people are so stupid..." blah blah. Pathetic.

Tuor
Wednesday, December 24th, 2003, 01:50 AM
StrÝbog is right, our utter arrogance and ignorance towards others only brings us down from within and creates enemies from the outside. WWII proved this with hitlers aryan race and how they were superior, the problem was that he and many had no respect for others. Havent anyone heard of the saying, "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies the closet?"

StrÝbog
Wednesday, December 24th, 2003, 01:51 AM
You sound like a typical selfish white person really, every-man-for-himself personality... who has a tendency to self-hate and spit on other whites before non-whites, which I consider a form of cowardice. I see this personality type in some families, a person treats their own family like trash because they're comfortable, while being submissive to strangers out of fear.

I bet you really suck up to your nonwhite friends don't you, you can't kiss enough black ass. LOL "Yeah these white people are so stupid..." blah blah. Pathetic.

I don't have black friends. You don't know anything about me or what I do. I call things as I see them. Some whites I don't like, some non-whites I do. Every group has its varying elements; it's a question of statistical trends and percentages. I don't believe in mixing because it destroys unique biological types. Don't expect me to parrot retarded VNN slogans that amount to "white = good".

Awar
Wednesday, December 24th, 2003, 02:45 AM
It's an idiotic view to think that anything the white race does is above criticism.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 03:37 PM
Abercrombie & Fitch has become my favourite clothing company, and no-one here except the anti-racialists, e.g. Stribog & AWAR, would blame me for that :-)

http://www.abercrombie.com/anf/lifestyles/art/homepage_photo.jpg

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 03:54 PM
Here are a few goodies. Enjoy!

Ewergrin
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 03:55 PM
It's an idiotic view to think that anything the white race does is above criticism.


It's also idiotic to think that everything the "white" race does deserves criticism.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 03:56 PM
It's an idiotic view to think that anything the white race does is above criticism.

I don't know what you're responding to, but I have never heard anyone claiming that. You are attacking a straw man.

Ewergrin
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Here are a few goodies. Enjoy!



A&F is now my favorite clothing company in existance.

Louky
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 04:18 PM
Hasn't Abercrombie & Fitch been in the news lately for sexualizing children with thong underwear, slutty "a go go" fashions for pre-pubescent girls, etc.?

These stories may be just a smear campaign, but if they're true, I don't care how Nordic the models and sales force is, the management would have a very "talmudic" view of the appropriateness of marketing sexually decadent fashion to children. And that disgusts me.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Hasn't Abercrombie & Fitch been in the news lately for sexualizing children with thong underwear, slutty "a go go" fashions for pre-pubescent girls, etc.?

These stories may be just a smear campaign, but if they're true, I don't care how Nordic the models and sales force is, the management would have a very "talmudic" view of the appropriateness of marketing sexually decadent fashion to children. And that disgusts me.

Well before you condemn this, please verify it first. I have seen no evidence of this allegation yet. I have just looked through their website, and saw no pictures of any children.

StrÝbog
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 07:47 PM
Well before you condemn this, please verify it first. I have seen no evidence of this allegation yet. I have just looked through their website, and saw no pictures of any children.

ROFL A&F is the most blatantly sexual clothing company out there. They target kids 16-21 in their advertising and promote promiscuous lifestyles. They were just forced to recall their catalog because people found it too blatantly sexual and slutty. Just because they show few minorities in their campaigns doesn't automatically make them advocates of a decent lifestyle. A lot of porn stars refuse to have sex with blacks. Does this mean they should be our leaders? :-P

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 07:52 PM
ROFL A&F is the most blatantly sexual clothing company out there. They target kids 16-21 in their advertising and promote promiscuous lifestyles. They were just forced to recall their catalog because people found it too blatantly sexual and slutty. Just because they show few minorities in their campaigns doesn't automatically make them advocates of a decent lifestyle. A lot of porn stars refuse to have sex with blacks. Does this mean they should be our leaders? :-P

From a racial evolutionary point of view, I see nothing wrong with 16-21 year old "kids" being encouraged to procreate with their own race. In fact, it is normal and healthy.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Teenagers *should* be targeted when considering anti-mixing propaganda... it is at this age that they are impressionable. And don't tell me you're a religious nut who denies the existence and absolute importance of sex.

Ewergrin
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 07:58 PM
From a racial evolutionary point of view, I see nothing wrong with 16-21 year old "kids" being encouraged to procreate with their own race. In fact, it is normal and healthy.


Exactly.
Kids are going to be promiscuous regardless of how much television encourages them to be. Of course, there is nothing that can be done (short of blowing up the media networks) about the supposed influence that mass media marketing has on teenagers, so I would rather Abercrombie and Fitch encourage "white" people to, as Loki stated, procreate with their own race, as opposed to them showing a bunch of negroes or asians mixing with "white" teenagers.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 08:01 PM
Exactly.
Kids are going to be promiscuous regardless of how much television encourages them to be. Of course, there is nothing that can be done (short of blowing up the media networks) about the supposed influence that mass media marketing has on teenagers, so I would rather Abercrombie and Fitch encourage "white" people to, as Loki stated, procreate with their own race, as opposed to them showing a bunch of negroes or asians mixing with "white" teenagers.

Yeah, and it is not as if Christina Aguilera is not already encouraging teenagers, even younger children, to have sex... this time with negroes. So it is advisable to offer a sane alternative.

Awar
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 08:04 PM
I don't have anything against teenagers being promiscuous, as long as it's within their close ethnicity and similar age.

StrÝbog
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 08:50 PM
Girls shouldn't be giving birth at age 16. That was my point. Unless you are one of the people who thinks we should compete with blacks by emulating black irresponsible sex to get our birthrates up. While we are at it, we could imitate the Zionist 'my people, right or wrong' attitude, to create 'solidarity.'

Anyway I see naked non-whites mingling with naked whites in this Abercrombie ad.
http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/11/26/abercrombie/index_np.html
And here: http://www.rush1.net/images/af.jpg

If you guys think group sex with 8 other people is a healthy evolutionary value, then fine.

Loki
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 09:19 PM
Girls shouldn't be giving birth at age 16. That was my point.

Nobody said they should. So you were attacking a straw man.


Anyway I see naked non-whites mingling with naked whites in this Abercrombie ad.
http://www.salon.com/sex/feature/2003/11/26/abercrombie/index_np.html
And here: http://www.rush1.net/images/af.jpg

Admittedly, you are right about the sprinkling of non-whites. But there is only one on each pic, and they are sort of in the background. In general, A&F ads are white-friendly - even Nord-friendly, and I still like them. They are way better than the other ones...


If you guys think group sex with 8 other people is a healthy evolutionary value, then fine.

The people on the pics were not having sex. Nudity is not the same as having group sex.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Sunday, December 28th, 2003, 10:21 PM
The people in the pic are simply demonstrating the necessity of A&F. For without these lovely clothing companies we would have to be naked.

Nordhammer
Monday, December 29th, 2003, 12:52 AM
A lot of porn stars refuse to have sex with blacks. Does this mean they should be our leaders? :-P

Really? Racialist sluts/whores? How did you come about this information? : )

Nordhammer
Monday, December 29th, 2003, 12:56 AM
From a racial evolutionary point of view, I see nothing wrong with 16-21 year old "kids" being encouraged to procreate with their own race. In fact, it is normal and healthy.

I agree with you. Unfortunately in our modern age it's extremely hard to shelter children from sexuality in the media, it's everywhere. At least they can replace the racemixing propaganda with pro-race propaganda.

I think postponing sexuality as far as one can is best. Sexualizing children inhibits their emotional and mental growth.

Louky
Monday, December 29th, 2003, 03:12 PM
Well before you condemn this, please verify it first. I have seen no evidence of this allegation yet. I have just looked through their website, and saw no pictures of any children.

Here you go:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/05/23/MN169472.DTL

Do you really think that in this age of the Multicult that A&F won't soon be pairing little Tiffany up with some buck Negro? You all write like you think A&F is doing a service for Nords by making Nords horny for each other. If it's news for you, they already are. The difference is that now they can have sex without marriage, without social condemnation for having sex outside of marriage. I know lots of men and women my age who have never been married and who have never had children and never will because now they're too old. They did have really peachy sex lives though. All it cost them was a family.

Evolved
Monday, December 29th, 2003, 06:45 PM
Really? Racialist sluts/whores? How did you come about this information? : )

StrÝbog is star of over 25 of the highest grossing pro-Slavic porn films, I don't doubt his insider knowledge for a second. Some of his credits include:

'From Russia with a Boner'
'StrÝbog Does West Siberia'
'StrÝbog Goes South' (aka 'StrÝbog's Serbian Summer')
'Czechmate'
'Comrade StrÝbog Cums to Moscow'

dux ducis
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 03:22 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041116/ap_on_bi_ge/abercrombie_lawsuit_8

I personally don't like the clothes line, but this is absolutely insane. Here are some choice quotes, but the article is worth a read (and check out the picture - I've never seen a group of minorities so brazenly emulate whites):

"The consent decree calls for Abercrombie & Fitch to hire a vice president of diversity and hire up to 25 diversity recruiters. The company also promised that its marketing materials would reflect diversity."

"Abercrombie & Fitch also must pay about $10 million to monitor compliance and cover attorneys' fees"

" The lawsuit originally was filed last June in San Francisco by Hispanic and Asian groups charging that Abercrombie & Fitch, known for its "classic casual American" clothing styles, hires a disproportionately white sales force, puts minorities in less-visible jobs and cultivates a virtually all-white image in its catalogues and elsewhere. "

" The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission joined the private plaintiffs in the lawsuit, which alleged that Abercrombie & Fitch violated portions of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The lawsuit specifically accused the company of engaging in recruiting and hiring practices that exclude minorities and adopting a virtually all-white marketing campaign."

"This agreement promises to transform this company, whose distinctiveness will no longer stem from an all-white image and workforce," said Thomas A. Saenz, vice president of litigation at the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund."

Johnny Reb
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 06:12 PM
We should all get together and sue some "urban" clothing company on the same principle.

nordic_canadian_male
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 07:33 PM
What Bullshit, but very typical of today. I like how America is described as a free nation, where all citizens are given vital freedoms and free will, this certainly re-inforces that belief.

OraclePhilosophy
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 04:38 AM
You must be joking sueing because the all white working force?

I guess having a all white business is such a threat, Gods forbid that a business actually hire real american and not people jumping over the fence or african americans who are too spoiled in this dam country anyways.

Yes I said spoiled , I did not stutter.

They have african american hispanic colleges but no all white ones. Maybe we should complain about that wait a tick no we can't us white folks are racist hate mongers they would say.

The goverment calls these races minorities now , exscuse me read the latest report , extra extra read all about it , whites will be minoritie in america in a not so distant future.

Asians were complaining about this amber crombie thing wow they are not so vocal over here , probally alot of asian centers over there on the east coast I would guess.


I don't care for the clothing I am too retro flee market clothe wearer to be into that but still this is a amusing idiotic situation.

anti-climacus
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 07:40 PM
Typical of nuevo-america, damn I hate this country.

anti-climacus
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 07:41 PM
Typical of nuevo-america, damn I hate this country. I usually just wear ralph lauren polo and henri lloyd but looks like I will be asking for some abercrombie and fitch for christmas.

blut-ehre
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 09:49 PM
that's just another way european unity is being destroyed, and with it our ability to hold jobs to the underskilled.

Telperion
Friday, November 19th, 2004, 12:48 AM
So-called "civil rights" statues and racial-egalitarian interpretations of constitutional provisions regarding equal protection of the laws are the single biggest obstacle to Euro-American preservationism. These laws, and the corrupt and cynical lawyers and judges who manipulate them, render legally impossible any serious attempt to stem the tide of multiracialism. Challenging these laws and seeking to undermine the "civil rights" regime at every opportunity has to be a top priority in the US.

The frustrating thing is that there is broad displeasure amongst many white Americans with affirmative action and similar civil rights measures, yet no practical vehicle seems to exist by which this dissatisfaction with the status quo can be translated into political awakening. Obviously the endless flood of multiracialist propaganda disseminated by the media and education institutions plays a major role in this, yet it has to be said that a serious failure of real political leadership is also to blame.

OraclePhilosophy
Friday, November 19th, 2004, 02:42 AM
I went to a coffee shop and talked to a old ladie briefly and she said this country is going to hell in a basket or somthing like that. ;) I commend the woman she is very right.:D