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Scrubber
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 09:31 AM
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ar.html#People
white (mostly Spanish and Italian) 97%, mestizo, Amerindian, or other nonwhite groups 3%

Is this for real or is it the product of a strange way of keeping statistics (for example in the US government stats mestizo Mexicans are often counted as "white hispanic".)

How many of these 97% Argentine whites could find some place in Europe where they would not look out of place?

Evolved
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 01:24 PM
Governmental definitions of "white" are a bad joke.
Take a look at the FBI's most wanted list (http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/oct2004/oct04fug.htm) and see how people from Pakistan, Mexico, etc are listed as "White." All Arabs, Iranians and Turks are considered "White" by the US government as well.

These 2 Mexican assholes murdered a 4-year old child:

http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/oct2004/octgonzalezl.jpg http://www.fbi.gov/mostwant/fugitive/oct2004/octgonzalezf2.jpg

Both of them have "Race: White (Hispanic)" listed.

Alkman
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Argentina and Uruguay are the less mixed South America countries

Glenlivet
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 03:53 PM
What about Venezuela too?



Argentina and Uruguay are the less mixed South America countries

Scoob
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 04:19 PM
What about Venezuela too? Right, Argentines are mostly Spanish and Italian, and the ones I've met look completely Southern European. They are on the flatlands, which were not very populated by Amerinds when Columbus arrived.

Japetos
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 04:21 PM
Argentina and Uruguay are the less mixed South America countriesΤhat's true.

Wichmann
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 04:39 PM
Hello,

I found this on Wikipedia Germany discussion site.
I just pressed the 'Translate'-button but I think it will suffice. :)
These estimates are probably more realistic!


Diskussion:Argentinien

from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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Mestizen and Indian in Argentina

How can it be that 30%der Argentinier Mestizen and 5%Indianer are? I read numbers, according to which 95% are European and only 5% Mestizen. That is a difference of 25%! And with the Indians it is still more extreme! In the article it is maintained that 5%(!) Mestizen be-being mine numbers, which are absolutely safe in this connection, speak of 30,000. Those are less than 0.5% of the total population!

Hello! Good question! That is not completely contradictory, because it is proven indirectly as theory. The official numbers are however different, correct. After my searches of the users Cordobes stopped this (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cordobes&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)paragraph. See: [ 4 ] (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml%3Ftitle%3DArgentinien%26diff% 3D1124912%26oldid%3D1124868&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)( http://de.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Argentinien&diff=1124912&oldid=1124868 ) . I will ask it times to describe this section. Oh: Please always with four tildes (~) sign. -- ALE! (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:ALE!&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)16:11, 9. September 2004 (CEST) Now the answer; -) Thus the number of 30% Mestizen are based on estimations, which were implemented by NGOs. I would have to after-investigate this however again exactly, from where (i.e. of which organization concretely) the numbers come. The difference of 25% more or less lies in the definition of the word "Mestize": With the normal censuses clearly less Argentinier than Mestizen or Indians calls themselves, than this would be correct according to opinion of these organizations, since many deny their Indians and/or Mestizen culture, partly from adjustment pressure, in addition, from fear of discrimination. The problem is also that the definition of "Mestize" is not uniform: it is justified partly ethnical, partly culturally. "Indians" is then only someone, which for example still language speaks the indianische as well as its traditional culture continues to maintain - which with many "ethnical" Indians or the only ansatzweise case is not, particularly with those, which left their traditional settlement areas and into a large city are resettled. It takes place here however for some time a reorientation, i.e. ever more humans profess themselves openly to their indianischen origin and culture, also the languages experience a slow Revival. The official numbers are correct however - there 95% are categorized as after "European origin", however approx. 300,000 (and not 30,000) Indians are after the official numbers. The NGOs against it speaks alone of approx. 1.5 million Indians. As proven in the article also, 2004 will probably be implemented special censuses, which is to correct this (wrong) number. That the number of only 5% Mestizen of the reality deviates clearly, shows also a simple view of the faces of humans in Argentine cities. -- Cordobes (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cordobes&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)03:22, 12. September 2004 (CEST) Supplement: The organization, which makes these "unofficial" estimations, is not however unfortunately the so-called AIRA (Asociación de Indígenas de la República Argentina), (still) Website has (at least do not have I those yet found) - - Cordobes (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cordobes&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)20:10, 10 November 2004 (CET) The none, which I found was: [ 5 ] (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.fortalecer.org.ar/osc_ficha.asp%3Fidorganizacion%3D1106&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)( http://www.fortalecer.org.ar/osc_ficha.asp?idorganizacion=1106 ) There are actually already results special censuses, which should run nevertheless 2004. -- ALE! (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:ALE!&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)09:34, 11 November 2004 (CET) Thus if the special censuses 2004 runs, there are not the data probably before in the middle of 2005. I do not know however whether he would have relevance for this question at all, because in this those are asked approx. 350,000 "officially" persons valid according to INDEC as Indians (there I have me erred further above). I have the "unofficial" estimations from a lecture at the university, therefore I can unfortunately indicate so far no sources. As soon as I find however something, I deliver her subsequently. Uebrignes originates the old number of the Indians, as I now read, from only Indian censuses from the year 1968, thus hopelessly became outdated. -- Cordobes (http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Cordobes&prev=/search%3Fq%3DArgentinien%2BMestizen%26hl %3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG%26domains%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org%26sitesearch%3Dhttp://de.wikipedia.org)23:40, 13 November 2004 (CET)

heritagelost
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 06:17 PM
Argentina is full of Southern Europeans and has several German communities. However 97% is not white. They are counting mixed raced peoples as white.

They are many white/indian mixes.

White Falcon
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 06:19 PM
Very large numbers od Croats migrated to Argentina,
specially after WWII.

Valkonnen
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 07:42 PM
Yes, Argentina was founded by Italians and IS 97% white...

So, is Uraguay.....I've been to both countries and have a lot of friends there...

Race mixing is severely frowned upon, and simply doesn't occur.

Marius
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 07:55 PM
Can you still find in Argentina some remnants of Amerindians? Or was it a culture like the ones of the Incas, preceding the arrival of colonists?

Strengthandhonour
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 11:02 PM
I lived in Argentina most of my life. 97% is completely WRONG.
There is a large amount of whites in Argentina, they are a majority in their country, that´s for sure, but I guess it´s more like 65 or 70 percent. Majority of Argentinians are of Italian and Spanish heritage. But in the south, there is large communities of Germans,Welsh,Croatians and Irish.
Argentina celebrates October fest in the parts of country that are populated mostly be Germans, and they also have the largest Welsh community outside of Wales. Great country.

bocian
Tuesday, November 16th, 2004, 11:48 PM
There are many Poles in Argentina as well.

Scoob
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 12:44 AM
I found this on "Hispano Mundo"
http://www.hispanomundo.com/Argentina.htm

The People

The first people to live in what is now Argentina were American Indians. The most important groups belonged to the Guarani tribes in the Northeast. They were farming Indians among whom the Roman Catholic Society of Jesus (Jesuits) during the colonial era established Utopia-like missions (Misiones Province). A group of nomadic Indians lived on the pampas. When they obtained horses from Spanish invaders, they became highly successful military opponents of the Europeans and were not finally conquered until the 20th century. Scattered tribes inhabited the Andean zone from north to south. Most of the native peoples died in warfare and from diseases following the Spanish invasion, which began in 1516. Today only 3 percent of the people of Argentina are Indians and mestizos (mixed). The rest of the people are of European descent.

Modern Argentina is inhabited by many people of European descent and by a few American Indians. Although various estimates have been made for the Indian population before the Spanish conquest, a conservative number might be 300,000 for the present national area. After the various phases of discovery, exploration, and settlement, the Indian population had been drastically cut. About 40,000 live in Argentina today, primarily in remote Andean valleys and in the Gran Chaco. However, their physical features are sometimes apparent in many gauchos the Pampa cowboys descended from Spanish fathers and Indian mothers and who are, therefore, mestizos.

It should be noted that African slaves were never important in Argentina because neither mining nor plantation agriculture played a significant role in the colonial economy. Consequently, as European settlers arrived, a white population soon became dominant. By the time Argentina achieved its independence in 1824, the vast majority of the populace had been born in South America.

After independence was gained, political chaos prevented unification of the country. However, the idea of planned pioneer settlement for the purpose of inhabiting the country's vast empty spaces was carried forward from time to time. In 1856, for example, Swiss and German settlers were invited to found new colonies in the provinces of Buenos Aires and Santa Fe. Other small European groups went to Misiones Territory far to the northeast on the Brazilian border. Then a great wave of foreign immigration began in the early 1880s and lasted for a decade. At that time Italians along with some Spaniards arrived to open the pampas. This marked the beginning of change in the Argentine economy, as European demand for wool, tallow, mutton, and hides increased rapidly until the end of the century. Domestic sheep flocks replaced wild cattle on the plains, and cattle breeding from new European stock began.

Another immigration wave occurred from 1904 to 1913. Prosperity brought about the construction of a railroad network, which began to stretch across the pampas, and the blossoming of the city of Buenos Aires with its international port. Everything was paid for by the productivity of agriculture on the rich soils of the immediate hinterland. By the time World War I began 30 percent of the Argentine population was foreign-born.

Another period of immigration between the two world wars marked the onset of the modern development of Misiones Territory by many groups from Europe, especially Germans. A more recent immigration between 1947 and 1955 brought tens of thousands of Italians and Spaniards to the country. Thereafter, immigration from Europe ceased because of the improved economic conditions there. Moreover, the Argentine economy began to falter seriously at the same time.

Though immigration from Europe stopped in recent years, Argentina at this time began to attract migrants from other South American countries. This resulted in such oddities as the largest population of urban Paraguayans not being in Asuncion, Paraguay, but in Buenos Aires. In northwestern Argentina Bolivians cross the border in sizable and growing numbers, and a small but steady migration from Chile has influenced the population in Patagonia since the early 1900s.

In addition to immigration there is also a seasonal movement of foreign labor into various parts of Argentina. This is due largely to the lack of mechanization for harvesting crops in much of the nation. For instance, thousands of Paraguayans cross the border to work during the mate harvests in Misiones between December and March. Others come from Bolivia and Chile to help with grape picking in Cuyo and Mendoza from April to July and following that for the sugarcane, cotton, and tobacco harvests in the northern sections of Argentina.

In the early 1900s the Argentine population structure reflected a growing rural element with the majority of the people less than 20 years of age. In more recent years, especially in the cities, the 30- to 50-year olds have emerged as the dominant group. These data reflect the composition of the capital city of Buenos Aires, in which more than 10 million people live more than one third of the country's population. By the early 1980s there were 17 other cities in the country of more than 100,000, reflecting a trend that shows the nonurban population of Argentina steadily declining.

yamato
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 03:14 AM
most of the whites in antipodean america (argentina, uruguay, and chile) would not be considered "white" by this board's standards, much of the populace is tinged with indian blood, sometimes noticeable, sometimes not. but of course, they would be considered much more european than their nothern neighbors in south america.

this is the case because, historically, these areas never had a large indigenous indian population to begin with, and had little economic value (compared to the north, due to its lack of precious metals) to the spanish colonizers, thus few black slaves were brough to the region. however, antipodean america is technically "white man's" country because it's climate is similar to that of europe, and during the 18th and 19th centuries, massive waves of european immigrants from northern italy and germany arrived in antipodean america, attracted by its climate, abundant land, and sparse population.

from what i gather from sources, nowadays, the european characteristics are rapidly declining in these historically white nations due to declining birth rates of native whites, and an influx non-white immigration (who also tend to have a much higher birth rate than natives) from more northern south american countries.

here, this article by a (i assume white) Uruguayan should clear things up pretty well.

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1404

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:18 AM
i don't know how many non-white people there are here.
But this is absolutely wrong...


most of the whites in antipodean america (argentina, uruguay, and chile) would not be considered "white" by this board's standards, much of the populace is tinged with indian blood, sometimes noticeable, sometimes not. but of course, they would be considered much more european than their nothern neighbors in south america.
we're more racialists than you believe.

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:24 AM
Very large numbers od Croats migrated to Argentina,
specially after WWII.
are croatian guys so lying as your descendants?:(

yamato
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:24 AM
i apologize, i shouldn't i have said "most," as many chileans, uruguyans, and argentines pure europeans, but although there are "many" who have indian admixture, as i read from that article

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:40 AM
i apologize, i shouldn't i have said "most," as many chileans, uruguyans, and argentines pure europeans, but although there are "many" who have indian admixture, as i read from that article
you don't need apologize, you can say what you want.

I don't know what's your meaning of "most".

I think here at least more than 80% of people (argentinians) are whites without indian admixture.

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:46 AM
you don't need apologize, you can say what you want.

I don't know what's your meaning of "most".

I think here at least more than 80% of people (argentinians) are whites without indian admixture.

well, I don't know where I should put the jews....:P

yamato
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:49 AM
in my opinion, i don't think jews belong to a particular ethnic group, although many are indistinguishable from europeans; however, there are also arab jews, kurdish jews, indian jews and ethiopian jews who have the same right to call themselves jewish as any other jewish person.

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 05:30 AM
for spanish speakers, a recent thread from yesterday:
http://www.los3cabiados.com/foro/showthread.php?p=112846#post112846


* we call "negro" every non-white or non-asiatic


http://www.psicofxp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66345&highlight=negros

http://www.los3cabiados.com/foro/showthread.php?t=9687&highlight=negros

http://www.psicofxp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=200836&highlight=negros+discriminacion

Dr. Solar Wolff
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 05:48 AM
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ar.html#People
white (mostly Spanish and Italian) 97%, mestizo, Amerindian, or other nonwhite groups 3%

Is this for real or is it the product of a strange way of keeping statistics (for example in the US government stats mestizo Mexicans are often counted as "white hispanic".)

How many of these 97% Argentine whites could find some place in Europe where they would not look out of place?

How is it possible that we are basing this thread on a CIA report? Remember, the CIA is alleged to have told Bush that Saddam had weapons of mass distruction. That CIA report is probably based on information which is 40 years old and the agent who compiled the report has probably never been out of Langley. These are bureaucrats playing spy on their PCs.

Libertad
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 05:58 AM
How is it possible that we are basing this thread on a CIA report? Remember, the CIA is alleged to have told Bush that Saddam had weapons of mass distruction. That CIA report is probably based on information which is 40 years old and the agent who compiled the report has probably never been out of Langley. These are bureaucrats playing spy on their PCs.I believe the owner of the thread was being sarcastic;)

Bardo Australis
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 06:41 AM
Uruguay, Argentina and Chile, have a good number of white people, becuase that, these countries have a better condition to live.

Sorry for my bad english:D

White Falcon
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 01:18 PM
are croatian guys so lying as your descendants?:(Now I have to make another post asking you what did you meant by this.
You could explain it all at first and not let anyone make assumptions about it.

So what did you meant by it?
Are you talking about your president? I belive he is only part of Croatian descent, other is German.

Please dont make such generalizations. ;)

jeba dan
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 04:27 PM
Now I have to make another post asking you what did you meant by this.
You could explain it all at first and not let anyone make assumptions about it.

So what did you meant by it?
Are you talking about your president? I belive he is only part of Croatian descent, other is German.

Please dont make such generalizations. ;)

I think she meant something else.Anyway I read somewhere that little more than 250 000 Croatians and their descendants(second and third generation)live in Argentina.
http://www.hrt.hr/arhiv/hrvati_u_svijetu/izbor_iz_emisija/01-2001/argentina_eng.html

heritagelost
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 05:20 PM
most people don't know this, but Argentina was a member of the Axis during WWII.

After WWII, many Germans fled to Argentina. I haven't heard anything in a long time, but the media used to talk about German communities in Argentina founded by Nazis.

Hitler actually visited and spoke in Argentina once.

Strengthandhonour
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 08:20 PM
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=14932&highlight=history+argentina
you guys should try to read the articles I post every once in a while ;)

Zyklop
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Hitler actually visited and spoke in Argentina once.
When would this have been?

Emperador
Wednesday, November 17th, 2004, 09:53 PM
I think argentinians that have been trying to convince everybody that they are that 97% WHITE don't even know their own country. I have good friends from there and they have told me the reality, for example, there're places as Salta, Jujuy, Caballito, etc where people are mostly mixed, indian and with a low percentage of spanish, even Cordoba, Mendoza and Buenos aires. In Argentine there're about 18 indigenous communities, Mapuches, Tobas, Coyas and others representing the 5% aprox. and mixed people 60%. Well this topic might take more time to discuss but here are a few good links to check more info written by argentinians who want to unmask this lie carried out since colonization times.


http://www.revolucioncultural.com.ar

http://forums.terra.com/foros/actualidad/inmigración_C19/inmigrantes_F4/foro_P561805/

here you can find pics and comments of argentinians that disagree with others who insist on that 97% . . . . .

Libertad
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 01:45 AM
Now I have to make another post asking you what did you meant by this.
You could explain it all at first and not let anyone make assumptions about it.

So what did you meant by it?
Are you talking about your president? I belive he is only part of Croatian descent, other is German.

Please dont make such generalizations. ;)
White Falcon:
I'm sorry, i was joking.;)
I wasn't talking about my president.
I know some croatian descendants (boys and girls) and there're nice people.
Some croatians descendants guys are liars as most argentinian guys.:P (I'm joking too)

A have a question: is "Jüretich" an croatian surname?


Emperador: in argentina northwestern (and in the frontier with Chile and Bolivia: jujuy, Salta, Mendoza, Catamarca, San Juan, La Rioja,...) there are mayority of mixed people. But in these places there're less density of population.
http://www.fao.org/ag/agl/agll/lada/arg/images/mapadensidadgde.jpg

But I disagree too with that 97%.

yamato
Thursday, November 18th, 2004, 03:19 AM
i want to point out the fact that although the media has been continually lambasting argentina's supposed economic collapse, its GDP per captial is still around 12,000, three times the latin american average (colombia, ecuador, peru, bolivia fall around 2,000-4,000), and on par with its southern neighbors chile (12,000) and uruguay (14,000).

Quetzalcoatl
Sunday, November 21st, 2004, 09:08 PM
Most of the argentinos i have known are white.I think Argentina is one of the countries in South America with the most white population. They even have a kind of italian accent.


saludos desde Mexico:)

Valkonnen
Tuesday, November 23rd, 2004, 05:45 PM
That's because there are a lot of Italians who settled there.

Night Ocean
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 12:55 PM
I,ve lived in Argentina up to my 19 years old, my parents are argentine.
Odffical statistics say:
85% white
14,5% mestizoes
0,5% pure indian.

No, 97% is too high and, even if the southern cone (Arg+Uru+Chili) are the less mixed countries in LA, I'm not sure about the accuracity of offical figs neither.
Among those 85% they include the important amount of sirian and lebanese inmigrants too... However, most of argentine I knew with sirian and lebanese forephathers looked southern europeans more than arabic (let's remember that many sirio-lebaneses descend from greeks, romans and cruzaders) .


0,5 % of pure indian seems correct for me. The minoritary indians live for the most in reservations. About the mestizoes...I wander if they are not up to 20% of the population and even 25%.

When spanish conquerors arrived, it is estimated that total indian pop in current day argentina territory was about 750 000 individuals.This means almost nothing for a territory of almost 3 000 000 sq kmts

Night Ocean
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 01:06 PM
tAnd what about the mistery of the afro-argentine?
In 1810 when the country becomes independent from Spain negro population is estimated to 30%... There's no black at all in Argentina today and that, since the turn of XIXth century.

Strengthandhonour
Friday, November 26th, 2004, 10:15 PM
I might have the answer to what happened to the blacks in Argentina.
I don't know if this is 100% true...but i'll post it anyways.
This guy I know who is a history teacher in Argentina, told my father and I, that during "La guerra del chaco"(A war between Argentina,Uruguay,Paraguay and MAYBE Brazil if I am not mistaken), the Argentinian army sent the blacks to the frontlines with no weapons at all and let the enemy troops waste their ammo on them, then the whites would press forward with high quality weapons.

Mac Seafraidh
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 01:19 AM
Unfortunately the Jewish world is part of the European population, so that minuses out some. It gets to me that they are also bringing all these Middle Eastern ragheads into every country, well not so much that anymore,the Jihad/Islamic takeover more or less.

*Zionist/Judaic Tool = 97 percent white. They blend themselves with us. I dislike the Jihads just as much.

No Code
Saturday, November 27th, 2004, 01:57 AM
i don't know how many non-white people there are here.
But this is absolutely wrong...


we're more racialists than you believe.
now its only need to learn about economy :D

Emperador
Saturday, December 25th, 2004, 10:26 AM
Los argentinos siempre diciendo que son decendientes de alemanes,holandeses,britanicos,galeses,e tc... en circunstancias que esas nacionalidades nunca dieron un aporte muy significativo, de hecho he leido antecedentes que mencionan al tercer grupo de inmigrantes en numero despues de italianos y españoles, como no determinado estando especificadas las nacionalidades antes dichas.

Esto nos dice claramente que ese tercer grupo son ciudadanos sudamericanos, peruanos y paraguayos principalmente, ademas de comunidades asiaticas y arabes.

Para analizar la identidad de un pais se deben estudiar las poblaciones desde toda la historia y en el caso de argentina hacia 1870 con aproximadamente 2 millones de personas solo el 8% eran extranjeros y el numero de criollos dificilmente sobrepasaba dicho porcentaje, esto nos muestra una realidad negada incluso hoy en dia y que claramente nos da una poblacion en dicha epoca compuesta principálmente por mestizos,mulatos,indigenas y en menor medida negros.

En 1880 la inmigracion europea recien comienza a tener un flujo mas masivo pero para esa epoca la poblacion habia crecido basicamente por el factor vegetativo por lo que el porcentaje de blancos habia crecido muy poco 20% aprox, el resto ..........para que decirlo otra vez.

Si hacemos un calculo matematico bastante simple en esa epoca la poblacion estaba cerca de los 3 millones con un 80% de no blancos, es decir casi 2,5 millones.

Se debe entender que el numero de inmigrantes que llego a argentina supero los 3,5 millones, de los cuales cerca de 300 mil no eran europeos pero estos llegaron a lo largo de ochenta años tiempo en el cual esos casi 2,5 millones de mestizos tambien habia crecido, por lo tanto la respuesta y conclusion es bastante obvia y hasta basica, es decir se puede creer entonces que el 85% de los argentinos sean europeos en un 100%, la respuesta es un aboluto noooooo.

En 1869 se concretó el primer censo nacional. Los argentinos eran por entonces 1.836.490, de los cuales el 31% habitaba en la provincia de Buenos Aires y el 71% era analfabeto. Según el censo, el 5% eran indígenas y el 8% europeos.

http://www.elhistoriador.com.ar/biografias/s/sarmiento.htm (http://www.elhistoriador.com.ar/biografias/s/sarmiento.htm)

Notese un detalle que no se documenta a los negros en circunstancias que en 1850 eran el 40% de la poblacion de buenos aires;

http://educar-argentina1.tripod.com.ar/coria/coria9.htm (http://educar-argentina1.tripod.com.ar/coria/coria9.htm)

Cabe mencionar que en dicho periodo no estaban contabilizadas las poblaciones indigenas de la patagonia y noreste argentino.


http://www.revolucioncultural.com.ar

Emperador
Saturday, December 25th, 2004, 10:36 AM
Para terminar, y por respeto a mi polola y amigos argentinos que tengo, quienes me han hasta ellos mismo contado todas estas cosas, y más aun lo PATETICO que hace en un foro que desde YA es racista, y que no identifica para nada a ningún país latinoamericano el que este tema esté como discusión, cosa que es fácil de botar con argumentos tanto de mismos argentinos como gente que ha tenido la oportunidad de viajar, etc. Si es verdad que lo respecto al cono sur exista mayoría de criollos y descendientes en diversos grados de europeos no creo que esto sea motivo para venir a foros europeos a inventar cosas que creo que muchos de ellos solamente sacaran una carcajada ligera, y lo digo en buena hacia algunos argentinos porque me ha tocado ver el ridiculo que hacen con ciertos temas, eso nada más.
Feliz año nuevo.