View Full Version : Dutch Tolerance and Moslems: A Clash of Civilizations

Monday, November 15th, 2004, 04:48 PM
By Arnaud de Borchgrave

The Netherlands has long been Europe's most permissive society everything from window-shopping in Amsterdam for scantily clad hookers (50 to 80 Euros for 15 to 30 minutes) to hashish aroma in marijuana smoke-filled cafes. The government and the sex workers union protect some 30,000 women. The pimps are landlords and the aging prostitutes are quickly replaced with a steady influx from the former Soviet republics and East European countries.

A Dutch brothel chain is suing the government for failing to green-light the "Yum Yum Caviar Club" at Schiphol Airport "to cater to stressed travelers in transit." The government responded that plans for an airport bordello were on hold pending new building and space in the departure areas.

It was such Dutch tolerance, pragmatism and guilt about the country's colonial past that allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Muslim Indonesia (a Dutch colony from the 17th century until World War II) to flood into tiny Holland. Today, Muslims are a majority among children under 14 in the Netherlands' four largest cities.

There are 1 million Muslims (6 percent of the population) now living in Europe's most crowded small country. Some 30,000 new Muslims arrive every year. They tend to live among themselves, with their own schools, mosques and restaurants. Most are horrified by what they view as sacrilegious in their own religion. Their imams speak no Dutch and know nothing of the Netherlands' history and culture.

Western Europe as a whole gets about half a million new Muslims a year. Most make their way from sub-Sahara Africa and North Africa, illegal immigrants smuggled by boat to Spain and Italy where they are free to travel with impunity to the rest of Europe. Thus, Europe's Muslim population has doubled to 20 million in the last 10 years.

The anti-Muslim backlash spawned far right-wing parties. Belgium's highest court this week ruled the anti-immigration Flemish Bloc party the most popular political force in Dutch-speaking Flanders will lose the government subsidies allocated to all parties, and is now forced to disband. It quickly renamed itself the Flemish Interest Party, and toned down its inflammatory rhetoric.

Europe's largest mosque is in Rotterdam, which is also Europe's busiest port. Half the people there are of foreign origin. Unemployment among the Muslims is high. And the Dutch live-and-let-live permissiveness made this nation, a quarter of it below sea level and protected by 1,500 dikes, ideal breeding grounds for Muslim fundamentalism and the kind of extremism that spawned one of Osama bin Laden's European fan clubs. But for years the government was in denial about Islamist extremism in what is otherwise a well-managed society.

Dutch Muslims, repelled by the freewheeling lifestyle, sought solace with radical imams in the mosques. There men outnumber women. And women are relegated to a part of the mosque where they can be neither seen nor heard.

What Dutch filmmaker and columnist Theo Van Gogh saw as the shabby treatment of females throughout the Muslim community led him to produce documentaries that portrayed Muslim men as tormentors of women, especially their wives. One recent scathingly critical Van Gogh film's carried the message that Islam promotes violence against women. Last week, Van Gogh, a grandnephew of the painter, was shot as he cycled to work. He managed to get up and stagger across the street to his building where he collapsed. The assailant followed him and slit his throat before pinning to his chest with a knife a five-page manifesto that called on Muslims to rise against the "infidel enemies" in the West.

Dutch security authorities launched a nationwide manhunt for the murderer of the popular Van Gogh. A hand grenade injured four policemen as they went after two suspects in a working-class district of The Hague. Air space over the capital was closed for a day as Dutch Special Forces lay siege to a building and the two surrendered after a 14-hour standoff.

Ten others were arrested, including the prime suspect, a Muhammad Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch Moroccan, who was charged with murder and suspected links to an al Qaeda group. A two-time visitor to Saudi Arabia, he had doffed Western clothes in favor of Arab dress.

Both Mr. Bouyeri and his close friend Samir Azzouz, 18, another Dutch Moroccan, moved between five apartments in an Amsterdam suburb favored by Islamist radicals. They were on Dutch intelligence's terrorist watch list as they communicated with like-minded extremist cells throughout Western Europe.

Last year, Mr. Azzouz was stopped in Ukraine and turned back as he made his way to Chechnya to fight the Russians. Released by the Dutch and then rearrested because bomb-making equipment and detailed maps of public buildings were found with his fingerprints, he is in jail awaiting trial.

Tit-for-tat terrorism quickly followed Van Gogh's assassination in widely scattered parts of the otherwise peaceful Netherlands. An arson attack against a Muslim school was followed in the same village of Uden by a Muslim attack against a primary school that was set ablaze and completely gutted. Then a small bomb damaged a Muslim school in Eindhoven. A score of mosques and churches were targeted by arson attacks in one week. Two young men were also arrested for putting a video on the Internet that promised 72 virgins in paradise for the "beheading" of Geert Wilders, a popular right-wing politician who decries the dangers of radical Islam.

Two years ago, Pim Fortuyn, a populist politician who called for a halt to immigration, by simply saying the Netherlands was "full," was similarly gunned down.

Over the past year, the presence of 1,300 Dutch troops in Iraq triggered repeated threats from Muslim groups. Last summer, a last will and testament was found when an 18-year-old man of Moroccan-born parents was arrested for plotting terrorist attacks in the Netherlands. The list of targets included the Dutch parliament, Schiphol and the nuclear reactor at Borssele. Floor plans of several public buildings were also found. The former student wrote in his will he wants his newborn son to live "in the spirit of jihad."

Described by a police psychiatrist as "fearless and fatalistic," the student "gradually fell under the spell of ideas about the oppression of Islam." During a court hearing, his family remained seated as all present rose when the judge entered. The mother was covered in a head-to-toe chador in Muslim fundamentalist fashion.

Islamist extremists even penetrated the Dutch intelligence service with a double agent. One officer was arrested last September. The government hastily drafted a Patriot Act-like law which enables it to strip citizens of their citizenship and deport them if they engage in extremist acts.

Could the Netherlands be a curtain-raiser for a wider clash of civilizations in the old Continent? Hundreds of thousands of young Muslims in Europe are potential jihadis, according to European intelligence chiefs speaking not for publication. They have been warning their political masters about the tinderboxes that many Muslim communities have become. Jihadi volunteers are known to have left for Iraq from a number of Muslim slums on the outskirts of major European cities.

Recruitment posters come on regular European and Arabic news programs from the Abu Ghraib prison pictures to the battle of Fallujah.

Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large of The Washington Times and of United Press International.


Monday, November 15th, 2004, 06:53 PM
It was such Dutch tolerance, pragmatism and guilt about the country's colonial past that allowed hundreds of thousands of immigrants from Muslim Indonesia (a Dutch colony from the 17th century until World War II) to flood into tiny Holland. Today, Muslims are a majority among children under 14 in the Netherlands' four largest cities.I can't stand this argument any longer :stop . There are more than 3 million people with an immigration background in Holland. The largest muslim groups are the Turks(350 000) and the Moroccans(300 000). Turkey and Morocco never were Dutch colonies!

So, does anybody know how many Dutch citizens have an indonesian background?

Monday, November 15th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Western Europe as a whole gets about half a million new Muslims a year. Most make their way from sub-Sahara Africa and North Africa, illegal immigrants smuggled by boat to Spain and Italy where they are free to travel with impunity to the rest of Europe. Thus, Europe's Muslim population has doubled to 20 million in the last 10 years.

Damn... :(

Monday, November 15th, 2004, 09:21 PM
One has to ask what the EU,which seems to be praised by many members of this forum is doing about this tragedy apart from encouraging it?

It is about time that Dutch people got angry. What is their problem today will increasingly become our problem tomorrow.

friedrich braun
Wednesday, November 24th, 2004, 03:08 PM
Book Review: The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order

by Donald E. Pauly

23 November 2004

[The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order, Samuel P. Huntington, Simon & Schuster, New York, 1996]

"Clash of Civilizations" has been quoted rather frequently by immigration opponents this year (2004). It should be available in your local library since it is reasonably politically correct. Because it was published in 1996, it is a bit out of date. In the ensuing eight years, almost all of our manufacturing jobs have been sent to China. The Chinese have also taken most manufacturing away from Japan.

Samuel P. Huntington is a professor of political science at Harvard whose race is unknown. He writes that civilizations are the ultimate human tribes. He also points out that multiculturalism has never worked and that Western culture is not universal. Two of the greatest faults of the book are that it does not discuss race or intelligence.

Its greatest defect is that it does not mention that the Jews are the major movers in all of world history for the last 3,000 years. That omission makes it impossible to understand the fall of several previous civilizations. Race mixing took down Egypt, Greece, and Rome. Huntington does not discuss the great civilizations of the Maya, the Aztec, and the Inca. Famine destroyed the Maya and conquest destroyed the Aztec and the Inca.

The author misidentifies the Jews Marx and Engel as Germans. One of Adolph Hitler's favorite sayings was: "Every time you cut upon an abscess on the body of society, inside you will find the same Jewish maggot." There are no exceptions to this rule. There was no discussion of the monumental overhaul of society by the Third Reich. Another of Hitler's favorite sayings was: "History can be only understood from a racial perspective." The ability of the Jews to maintain racial purity while living within their host populations is their greatest strength. Huntington overlooks the change brought by the end of the cold war. Class struggle is over and the racial struggle begins.

While this book had quite a number of bright spots, it was a chore to finish. It was quite dry for dozens of pages at a time. The author spent most of his time giving Moslems a well deserved bashing. He makes an interesting point that they aim to Islamize modernity, not modernize Islam. Huntington must be given credit for stressing the importance of the fact that the Moslem world is breeding like flies. He overlooks the fact that nuclear weapons can take care of a billion in excess population in 30 minutes' time.

Huntington discusses how Kemal Ataturk modernized Turkey in the 1930s. He replaced the Arabic script with the Roman script for the Turkish language. He also abandoned the ridiculous Islamic lunar calendar and substituted our Gregorian calendar. The Islamic calendar is off by six days per year and can't even keep track of the years and the seasons. At least the Jewish semi-lunar calendar keeps track of the year. It even can keep track of the seasons so Jews can swindle the goyim farmers out of their crops.

Ataturk replaced Islamic law in Turkey with the Swiss Civil code. Except for Iraq prior to the Second Gulf War, Turkey is the only bright spot in the Moslem world. As a rule, Moslems do not play well with others. Jews want to control the whole game. The Serbs got their revenge against the Turks in the 1993 by blowing up an Ottoman tower erected in 1463 and expelling 40,000 Moslems.

The author expounds on the power of religion in shaping history. Most people do not know that the Western half of the Ukraine practices Orthodox rites but recognizes the authority of the Pope. The Eastern half follows the Russian Orthodox Church, which rejects the Pope. Huntington predicted a split in the Ukraine which does not seem to be coming to pass. To his credit he points out the hypocrisy of making Iraq abide by nuclear non-proliferation but not Israel. He asks "What if Islam wins?" He answers that a Global Dark Age will descend upon the planet just like the Middle Ages.

Huntington does discuss the Yellow Peril but does not mention the one-child-per -family policy in China. This must be due to a wish to avoid discussion of its eugenic aspect. He points out that the Chinese are only 1% of the population in the Philippines but are responsible for 35% of the sales. There is a saying: "The Chinese are the Jews of the Orient." China provided missile technology to Pakistan in violation of its agreement with the U.S. He includes an interesting prophesy from Tricky Dicky's (Nixon) book Beyond Peace (1994) that is coming to pass:

"Today, China's economic power makes U.S. lectures about human rights imprudent. Within a decade it will make them irrelevant. Within two decades it will make them laughable." Most people are not aware that China fought a war with Vietnam in 1979. Around 7 million Chinese have illegally immigrated into the open spaces of Russian Siberia. China is becoming Russia's Mexico. China has resolved the vast majority of its disputes thru violence.

According to Huntington, Armenians in the U.S. have sent $50-75 million back to their home country. This is peanuts compared to the $15 billion that illegal aliens send back to Mexico each year from working in the U.S. The author does quote extensively from Spengler's Decline of the West.

The Third Reich proved conclusively how a White civilization prospers when Jews are expelled from it. Hitler developed a perfect economic system and then pissed it all away on war. All the causes of decline of civilizations are well understood. With modern transportation, famine has no effect on a civilization having a large land mass. Crops cannot fail everywhere in the country at the same time. Our White civilization can survive and prosper for millions of years. We can visit all the nearest stars. It only requires that all the Jews be sent back to Israel.