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Gornahoor
Wednesday, November 3rd, 2004, 10:25 PM
From the Asia Times: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FK02Aa04.html

What Osama might have told America
By Spengler

Al-Jazeera aired only four minutes of Osama bin Laden's videotape released last week, leaving the media to guess about what the remaining 14 minutes might contain. An anonymous source sent me what purports to be a transcript of the rest of the tape. I cannot http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/images/osama-in-america.gif vouch for its authenticity, but it is just what I would have said if I were Osama bin Laden.

Here is what Osama bin Laden supposedly said:

"People of America, it does not matter whom you choose as president. Islam will prevail. We do not have to fight you; we merely have to let you destroy yourselves. The Great Satan is a monster that devours its children.

"Slanderers claim that I represent an authoritarian form of Islam. But what has the freedom of the modern world done to your Christianity? Religion has died in Europe. You have done even worse. Like everything in the Greater America of globalization, you have turned religion into a consumer goods. Americans choose among 139 major brands of Christianity. Your old churches close for lack of worshippers, and you build new churches in shopping malls where religion is sold along with sausages. [1]

"You have made a modern world, and you brand us as relics of a tenebrous past. You say that we are violent, but you have raised your children in a nightmare of violence unlike anything the world has seen before. By the time an American child reaches the age of 18, he will have seen on television 40,000 murders and 200,000 other acts of violence. [2]

"Slanderers in your midst say that Islam oppresses women. Islam protects the modesty of women with purdah and the veil. You turn your women into whores. You cannot turn on your television without hearing a vulgar mention of sex every three minutes. [3]

"Not only do your children incessantly observe violence and sex, but you give them the means to play at it. The most popular computer game for American children, called Grand Theft Auto, encourages the player to buy relations with a prostitute and afterward beat her to death.

"Slanderers in your midst claim that Islam promotes violence against women. Your worship of the flesh provokes women to commit violence against themselves. At American universities, two out of five female students starve themselves or vomit up their food in a perverse attempt to fit the criteria for sexual attractiveness established by your fashion industry. [4]

"Your evil will destroy your seed. It is not merely the fatherless and despised, the poor and outcast, who wither and perish in the contaminated soil of America, but the coddled offspring of your prosperous elites. You have given your young people freedom, but it has only brought them misery. You have depraved them with your false promise of freedoms and left them with nothing but terror of the world, to the point that one in six of your university students suffers a mental illness. [5]

"People of America, your leaders falsely tell you that jihadis love death rather than life. It is true that life to us means more than the material existence on this Earth, but also life everlasting - but did not your prophets tell you the same thing? If we hate life, why do we have more children than you? The population of the Arab world doubled during the 20 years between 1978 and 1998, and between 1998 and 2010 will have grown by yet another third. [6]

"It is you, not us, who foster a culture of death. Where in the Muslim world can you find a form of music such as 'death metal', which revels in the putrefaction of human flesh? Groups with names like Cannibal Corpse have sold scores of millions of records. This, O Americans, is the blessing progress which you propose in your benevolence to bestow upon Muslim youth? It would be better to learn from us how to cut a flute from a reed. [7]

"One candidate tells you that he will enlist foreign allies in your crusade against us. These supposed allies are the ones who love death. In half a century the number of Europeans will fall by 50 million, because the Europeans no longer love life enough to bring new life into this world. Three hundred and twenty years ago a Muslim army stood before the gates of Vienna, and Europe barely escaped conversion to the true faith at swordpoint. During the next half-century Muslims will wander into Europe and replenish the half-empty towns with people, and the sound of children's voices once again will be heard - but in Arabic.

"Because they hate life, your supposed allies are cowards. Half a millennium ago the Spanish empire drove Islam from its territory; this year a few bombs at a railway station panicked the pathetic remnants of Spain into retreat from Iraq. You are fools to count on them. Even the Zionist Bernard Lewis admits that Islam will prevail in Europe before the end of this century.

"People of America, your soldiers are brave but your leaders are fools. You tremble at the loss of a thousand lives in Iraq. Perhaps with another thousand, and a thousand more, you will establish the peace of the cemetery in the cities of the Mesopotamian plain for another month or another year. We do not think in terms of next month, or next year. We look with hope and resolution toward the victory of our children's children, who will dominate Europe. Their children's children will dominate America.

"Abandon the false hope of freedom and submit to Allah. You cannot go back to the traditional life of your forefathers, because the monster of globalization has plowed it under. Not an American in 20 could find his way back to the village of his great-grandfather. You cannot go forward, because your souls are too weak to find a way through the pitfalls of the modern world. Like the Europeans, you too will become weary of life, weary of raising children, weary of your mastery - and the world will belong to us.

"Have a nice day."

Notes

[1] US megachurches bring shopping mall theology to thirtysomethings (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/01/24/wchuch24.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/01/24/ixworld.html). 'As Americans like going to shopping malls for all their consumer needs in one spot, so self-styled "megachurches" are the fastest growing form of service in the country. They offer a one-stop spiritual supermarket. A cafe sells food and drinks. Baptisms are conducted at a pool to one side where "warm water" is promised. There are picnic spots and walks through manicured gardens in addition to church softball and basketball teams. Parties are held for singles to meet fellow believers. The church's target market is the thirtysomethings, many now with young children, who are seeking to return to religion. Having grown up in an era of consumerism they are looking not only for God in a church, but also a variety of facilities.'

[2] TV Bloodbath: Violence on Prime Time Broadcast TV (http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/stateindustryviolence/main.asp)

[3] Wired for Raunch (http://www.parentstv.org/ptc/publications/reports/cablestudy/main.asp). "The overall combined per-hour rate of sexual references, use of coarse language, and instances of violence was 21.7."

[4] Psychology Today, November/December 2004, p 62: "Anorexia or bulimia in florid or subclinical form now afflicts 40 percent of women at some time in their college career."

[5] Loc Cit. "The University of Michigan Depression Center … estimates that 15 percent of college students are suffering from that disorder alone."

[6] Middle East Economic Survey, Nov 15, 1999.

[7] Cannibal Corpse lyrics (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/cannibal-corpse-lyrics.html)

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Jack
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 12:10 AM
Three hundred and twenty years ago a Muslim army stood before the gates of Vienna, and Europe barely escaped conversion to the true faith at swordpoint. During the next half-century Muslims will wander into Europe and replenish the half-empty towns with people, and the sound of children's voices once again will be heard - but in Arabic...

We look with hope and resolution toward the victory of our children's children, who will dominate Europe. Their children's children will dominate America...

Like the Europeans, you too will become weary of life, weary of raising children, weary of your mastery - and the world will belong to us.


Does anyone still wonder why I say Islam is the enemy of the West and of Europe?

Strengthandhonour
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 03:27 AM
I don't think they are our enemies, we are our own worst enemy for letting the zionists control our life...

Vojvoda
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 03:46 AM
The population of the Arab world doubled during the 20 years between 1978 and 1998, and between 1998 and 2010 will have grown by yet another third.

because the Europeans no longer love life enough to bring new life into this world.

During the next half-century Muslims will wander into Europe and replenish the half-empty towns with people, and the sound of children's voices once again will be heard - but in Arabic.

We look with hope and resolution toward the victory of our children's children, who will dominate Europe. Their children's children will dominate America.

Like the Europeans, you too will become weary of life, weary of raising children, weary of your mastery - and the world will belong to us.

Truth or over exaggeration? :|

Odin Biggles
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 03:53 AM
Bin laden say "Have a nice day" ?

:rotfl

The Blond Beast
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Another masterful exegesis from Sheik bin Laden! :D

The Blond Beast
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 04:06 AM
Does anyone still wonder why I say Islam is the enemy of the West and of Europe?

Ask yourself why Islam is an enemy of the West, Zionist.

Jack
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Sure. Because according to the Qu'ran they have absolute right to this entire planet and it is their religious duty to impose the Islamic political system on us, and convert us (by the sword, as Osama might have put it) to Islam.

B4HXTA
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 07:46 PM
I am the only one that agrees with a lot of what Osama is saying?

" we merely have to let you destroy yourselves. "
"Like everything in the Greater America of globalization, you have turned religion into a consumer goods. Americans choose among 139 major brands of Christianity. Your old churches close for lack of worshippers, and you build new churches in shopping malls where religion is sold along with sausages."
"

You turn your women into whores. You cannot turn on your television without hearing a vulgar mention of sex every three minutes."
"One candidate tells you that he will enlist foreign allies in your crusade against us. These supposed allies are the ones who love death. In half a century the number of Europeans will fall by 50 million, because the Europeans no longer love life enough to bring new life into this world"
"People of America, your soldiers are brave but your leaders are fools. "


""Abandon the false hope of freedom and submit to Allah. You cannot go back to the traditional life of your forefathers, because the monster of globalization has plowed it under. Not an American in 20 could find his way back to the village of his great-grandfather. You cannot go forward, because your souls are too weak to find a way through the pitfalls of the modern world. Like the Europeans, you too will become weary of life, weary of raising children, weary of your mastery - and the world will belong to us."
Yeah, they may be our enemies, but they have their facts right. It is too bad most americans and europeans refuse to listen.

Agrippa
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 08:10 PM
I am the only one that agrees with a lot of what Osama is saying?
" Yeah, they may be our enemies, but they have their facts right. It is too bad most americans and europeans refuse to listen.

You are absolutely right. The greatest enemy of the west is this liberal-pluralistic spirit. If we would get rid of it, Muslims wouldnt be a serious thread any longer...

Triglav
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 08:25 PM
You are absolutely right. The greatest enemy of the west is this liberal-pluralistic spirit. If we would get rid of it, Muslims wouldnt be a serious thread any longer...

Yep, my thoughts exactly.

Marius
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 09:38 PM
You are absolutely right. The greatest enemy of the west is this liberal-pluralistic spirit. If we would get rid of it, Muslims wouldnt be a serious thread any longer...

You are right, but you also have to know it is a longer process and trying to impose it quickly would be impossible and would force people into repulsion of such a system. In time, things may change. But we still need time, perhaps the things have already started to move in that direction, just think very well.

Agrippa
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 09:49 PM
You are right, but you also have to know it is a longer process and trying to impose it quickly would be impossible and would force people into repulsion of such a system. In time, things may change. But we still need time, perhaps the things have already started to move in that direction, just think very well.

Western Europeans have only 1 to max. 3 generations for rather peaceful solutions which would not result in a total civil war. After that we might be the minority in our own lands and if a foreign culture will not take over, a plutocratic establishment might built up a perfect system of control and exploitation.
In this time we must win or we have lost forever. Maybe other groups might then still have chance to make it better, but for Western European the game will be over one and forever.

Maybe the Islamic movements can help to destabilize the liberal system before its too late. If the liberalcapitalistic system of the plutocracy wins, its over anyway, we just have this chance.

Marius
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 09:55 PM
Western Europeans have only 1 to max. 3 generations for rather peaceful solutions which would not result in a total civil war. After that we might be the minority in our own lands and if a foreign culture will not take over, a plutocratic establishment might built up a perfect system of control and exploitation.
In this time we must win or we have lost forever. Maybe other groups might then still have chance to make it better, but for Western European the game will be over one and forever.

Maybe the Islamic movements can help to destabilize the liberal system before its too late. If the liberalcapitalistic system of the plutocracy wins, its over anyway, we just have this chance.

You might be right. Still, the situation must be handled with care. People got used with I'd call it 'ultraliberalism'. And it will be very hard to change that, especially for Western Europeans who did not know the authocratic rule of communism.

Rey
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 11:08 PM
"It is you, not us, who foster a culture of death. Where in the Muslim world can you find a form of music such as 'death metal', which revels in the putrefaction of human flesh? Groups with names like Cannibal Corpse have sold scores of millions of records.

I used to see Alex Webster, the bassist from Cannibal Corpse, after shows. He was one of the nicest, most modest musicians I have ever met--and genuinely talented for a metal bassist. Those bands aren't very lucrative at all. They were lucky to sell 10,000 copies of an album nation-wide back in '96. I suppose, if you combine all the death metal bands in the world they might sell a few million albums. At that point they were coming back in the hole (financially) from being on tour.

Death Metal is/was marginal even at the height of its popularity. For obvious reasons, most people don't get it. Hey, at least its an excuse for white kids who aren't interested in the Judeo-Christian tradition to get together and have some fun. :)

I never saw anything bad go down at any of those concerts. Except, one time a local (Ohio) band got up on stage and screamed "White Power!" to a club full of white kids. Coincidentally, I just happened to have brought a black drummer friend of mine to see the concert that night, because he was interested in double bass technique. He took it in stride, and no one gave him a hard time. It was fine.

Death Metal is like the Pro Wrestling of music, Osama. Come on!

Stríbog
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 11:25 PM
Does anyone still wonder why I say Islam is the enemy of the West and of Europe?

There was a land called Serbia where white Europeans had the balls to face the Islamic threat head-on, and your k*** friends in political circles declared war on them, blew their country to hell, and tried the survivors for 'war crimes.' They then abandoned widows and children to their fates at the hands of newly-liberated Albanian filth.

Russia today struggles to counter the Muslim danger, and your k*** friends in the Western media whine and cry about human rights.

The Jews are not an "ally against Islam." They oppose it where it conflicts with their interests, namely in the Levant, and foster it where it can be used as a battering ram against white Europeans and European nationalism. It was Jews who directly and indirectly opened the floodgates of mass Muslim immigration to Europe.

Your k*** friends cannot be trusted to fight Islam anymore than they can be trusted on any other issue. When has a collective of Jews ever sincerely adhered to a pro-European position? Siding with Zionists makes you as much an enemy of Europe as Islam is, whether or not you realize it.

Islam and Judaism by their nature are inimical to our very existence, and addressing only one or the other will still lead to our demise. Both must be removed as threats.

Oriana
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 11:31 PM
Does anyone still wonder why I say Islam is the enemy of the West and of Europe?
It could be said that in their most perverted of literalist forms, not only Islam but also Judaism and Christianity are the enemies of not only the West and of Europe but of all humanity.

Extremists/ fundamentalists/ 'evangelicals'/ whatever else they prefer to be called who tout their particular religion as the 'One True Way' are distasteful to me no matter their culture or creed.

Odin Biggles
Friday, November 5th, 2004, 01:49 AM
I got warned for using the word kike instead of jew Stribog, better edit or you might get warned to :).

Jack
Friday, November 5th, 2004, 02:00 AM
There was a land called Serbia where white Europeans had the balls to face the Islamic threat head-on, and your kike friends in political circles declared war on them, blew their country to hell, and tried the survivors for 'war crimes.' They then abandoned widows and children to their fates at the hands of newly-liberated Albanian filth.

Russia today struggles to counter the Muslim danger, and your kike friends in the Western media whine and cry about human rights.

The Jews are not an "ally against Islam." They oppose it where it conflicts with their interests, namely in the Levant, and foster it where it can be used as a battering ram against white Europeans and European nationalism. It was Jews who directly and indirectly opened the floodgates of mass Muslim immigration to Europe.

Your kike friends cannot be trusted to fight Islam anymore than they can be trusted on any other issue. When has a collective of Jews ever sincerely adhered to a pro-European position? Siding with Zionists makes you as much an enemy of Europe as Islam is, whether or not you realize it.

Islam and Judaism by their nature are inimical to our very existence, and addressing only one or the other will still lead to our demise. Both must be removed as threats.
I did support the Serbs, and I'm aware that Jewish elites (alongside huge numbers of white leftists) opposed them. I do not believe in 'human rights'. I believe in opposing everyone who is tearing the Greater European world apart - black, white, yellow, Jewish, Muslim, Protestant, Catholic, Hindu, whoever or whatever.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, November 5th, 2004, 03:21 AM
What about the issue of this airing of this tape itself? After it was sent to Al Jezerrah, "The Security State" contacted that network and asked them NOT to air it at all. They were afraid of it. The most powerful country in the world was AFRAID of an old man in a nice suit, speaking from a neutral background. He did link the 9-11 attack to US support of Israel, perhaps that was the reason for the attempt at suppression.

Is there anyone here who doesn't think Osama has made some (at least) legitimate points? He certainly sounds more rational than George Bush.