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svarog
Sunday, March 9th, 2003, 09:17 PM
Found this picture on a site dedicated to 3D modelling. This guy made a model of himself and I thought this picture would be a good one for classification, because it has both views. Can you classify him and guess where he is from?

GreenHeart
Sunday, March 9th, 2003, 09:40 PM
He looks Tronder with perhaps some slight mongoloid admixture. Is he from Russia or far northern Scandinvia?

svarog
Sunday, March 9th, 2003, 09:51 PM
No, not from Russia. I'll wait for others to classify. Don't you think his skull is a bit short (from forehead to occupit) for a tronder? And what are his slight mongoloid features?

GreenHeart
Sunday, March 9th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by svarog
No, not from Russia. I'll wait for others to classify. Don't you think his skull is a bit short (from forehead to occupit) for a tronder? And what are his slight mongoloid features?

Well tronders are medocephalic:

"The Trønder is the tallest of the Norwegian racial types, which also makes it one of Europe's tallest. It is a slender type, although not as slender as the local Hallstatt Nordic, and its bones are larger and heavier than what is typically Nordic. Due to a strong sexual dimorphism, Trønder females are seldom correspondingly big-boned. The head form is high mesocephalic (c.i. typically 78-80; with the exeption of the Hardanger type, which is dolicho-mesocephalic), and the face is of considerable length. The forehead is very high, and at the same time both broader and much less sloping than that of the Hallstatt Nordic. Frontal bosses, a non-Nordic trait, are frequently found, and the temporal region is much fuller. In addition, the transitions from frontal to temporal and frontal to parietal regions are smooth and difficult to find, whereas on the Nordic head they are clearly marked."

The deviation from the tronder norm, like brown eyes, great distance between nose and upper lip, slight prognathism, great distance between eye and eyebrow, and near almond eye shape, are all seen in mongoloids. They are small deviations which is why I would say indicate slight mongoloid ancestry.

svarog
Monday, March 10th, 2003, 04:59 PM
Interesting, those tronders I've seen on snpa have rather long heads, longer than this one, looks like he has east baltic admixture. This guy (Ulf Lundgren) is from Sweden, that was pretty obvious.

The deviation from the tronder norm, like brown eyes, great distance between nose and upper lip, slight prognathism, great distance between eye and eyebrow, and near almond eye shape, are all seen in mongoloids. They are small deviations which is why I would say indicate slight mongoloid ancestry.

All that is true, but I still think deviation in this case can be of european origins (maybe he made a mistake when modelling his eyes, they really look kinda strange, I haven't seen real people with such eyes) but the rest looks ok to me.

Allenson
Monday, March 10th, 2003, 08:59 PM
Nice find svarog! He is an interesting specimen, eh? Overall, I'd say he's a Nordic of some type (Tronder, Halstatt, etc.) but there he does have some strange features (as already mentioned by NP88). I wonder if maybe he has some Sami ancestry that might give him these non-Nordic features in question.

svarog
Tuesday, March 11th, 2003, 03:06 PM
Yeah, I was thinking all these strange features are explained by mistakes in modelling, but brown eyes? I think you are right, he has some sami ancestry.