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tlepsh
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 02:20 PM
caucasian
asian
african


asians came from asia

africans came from africa

caucasians came from where exactly ?





:P

Zynaroq
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 05:15 PM
caucasian
asian
african


asians came from asia

africans came from africa

caucasians came from where exactly ?


:P

Caucasians .... read all about it at http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/.
About indo-aryans http://www.nordish.com/.

Johannes de León
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 05:29 PM
Caucasians .... read all about it at http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/. Do not, it is mostly rubbish, and highly innacurate concerning historic details.

Concerning your question, I suppose Frans_Jozef, and others, have done several threads in the Race and Science section about it.

Zynaroq
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 05:56 PM
Do not, it is mostly rubbish, and highly innacurate concerning historic details.

Concerning your question, I suppose Frans_Jozef, and others, have done several threads in the Race and Science section about it.
Don't you think the Origin of Indo-European tribes is correct their ? I thought it was quite correct besides Russians were to critisezed.

tlepsh
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 02:58 AM
Zynaroq

thanks for the looooong link however i would appreciate a laymans type , short answer if it's not too much to ask .

really , where do the caucasians come from ?

tlepsh
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 03:02 AM
thanks for the counter advice !
i appreciate it .

I better search franz_josef in the old posts to find some answers to my question , eh ?


stormfront is certainly a " funny " place for sure .

Scoob
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 03:06 AM
Zynaroq

thanks for the looooong link however i would appreciate a laymans type , short answer if it's not too much to ask .

really , where do the caucasians come from ? Caucasians came from Africa, just like everyone else.

On another note, I think that the most distinctive "white" ("Nordic") phenotype emerged from the British Isles / North Sea area. I think in a more general sense, Indo-European types spread out from a region near Anatolia or the Black Sea.

TheAnglian
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 03:20 AM
Caucasians came from Africa, just like everyone else.


ANU anthropologist Alan Thorne said that neither “Mungo Man’s” completely modern skeleton nor its DNA had any links with human ancestors from Africa found in other parts of the world.
http://216.109.117.135/search/cache?p=out+of+africa+theory+&ei=UTF-8&u=abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/evolution_outofafrica010109.html&w=africa+theory&d=616A8C5437&icp=1&.intl=us

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This provides evidence for the "continuity" theory of modern human development, i.e. that development occurred in parallel in different populations across the world. The alternative "out of Africa" theory suggests that an exodus from that continent about 50,000 years ago swept across the world, driving indigenous populations to extinction.
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99991938
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Skull Fossil Challenges Out-of-Africa Theory
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/07/0703_020704_georgianskull.html

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Our results indicate that anatomically modern humans were present in Australia before the complete fixation of the mtDNA lineage now found in all living people. Sequences from additional ancient humans may further challenge current concepts of modern human origins.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/98/2/537

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Doubt cast on 'out of Africa' theory of man
A controversy over the most widely accepted theory of the origin of modern man was reignited yesterday by an analysis of the human genetic code.

The analysis sheds doubt on the theory that early people moved out of Africa and completely replaced local populations.

Instead, the findings suggest that there was at least limited interbreeding between our African ancestors and the residents of the regions where they settled.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/12/27/worig27.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/12/27/ixworld.html

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...providing further evidence for a genetic history of humans much more ancient than the emergence of modern humans. The fact that many unique variants exist in Europe and Asia also [b]suggests a fairly long genetic history outside of Africa and argues against a complete replacement of all indigenous populations in Europe and Asia by a small Africa stock.

..We suggest that both the "Out of Africa" and the multiregional models are too simple to explain the evolution of modern humans.
http://mbe.oupjournals.org/cgi/content/full/18/2/214

Glenlivet
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 12:20 PM
Maybe one form of it, from the sea-faring Atlanto-Mediterranids. Scando-Nordid is not completely from such an origin but Megalithic people came to SW Scandinavia from a western origin. Gaston Backman (1935) wrote that the Nordid race migrated to Scandinavia from the British Isles. Backman also claimed that the British Megalithic folk was more pronouncedly longer-headed than Danes and Swedes ever were. That is very simplified though, as serology (except a few regions) and other archaeological evidence from Nordenstreng and Lundman show an older origin sur place, also from Central Europe, that helped to form the Trönder (Flodström and Nordenstreng: Svea) folk stock. Lundman thought that the oldest local groups were at least partly descended from western European tribes of low-vaulted Cro-Magnid type who migrated northeastward from the North Sea basin after the melting of the ice. But groups from Central Eastern Europe with long - and high skulls also entered Scandinavia. The anthropology of Nordid Sweden lie between these two invading groups. The Nordid race were not yet clearly distinguishable in the Stone Age, somewhat after 2000 B.C (Lundman, The Racial History of Scandinavia, 1962).

I think it is wrong to say that Nordid emerged on the British Isles. Nordid in modern Britain is either from Celtae and Belgae (if they were ever had such a strong anthropological influence, perhaps they did in the southeast, Fleure and Baker claimed that) from Norse and Danish and Low Germans from the northern European plain. Nordids have at least a dual origin, Proto-Nordid is probably related to both low-orbitted and lower-faced western European Cro-Magnoids and higher-orbitte Battle-Axe invaders with a higher morphological face height. Thus, the balance in modern Nordids should be seen from the point of view of being created in Scandinavia from these different elements.

Nordids are therefore found from Ireland to middle Russia, with Scandinavia being the centre, definitely not being more "pure" or homogenous in origin, but rather that the region have the perfect balance between the invading groups that formed the Scando-Nordid folk stocks.

The argument above is supported by Raisa Denisova (THE MOST ANCIENT POPULATION OF LATVIA, Humanities and Social sciences Latvia):

"Thus archaeological data indicate that the migration of the Maglemosian people concluded several chronologically successive migrations of late Paleolithic peoples from the West to the East. This suggests that at the end of that period, a genetic fund was being established in populations resident in the territory that is southwest of Latvia -- the Pripet basin and the Upper Dnieper valley. This genetic fund was part of a larger genetic system of late Paleolithic residents in Northern Europe. For that reason, people who settled on lands around the Upper Dnieper and the Upper Daugava during the late Paleolithic period had close genetic links to the most ancient populations of the Middle European lowlands. That could mean that during the Mesolithic period, an anthropologically similar group of peoples lived from the Netherlands in the West to the Middle Russian highlands to the East. Local residents may have been possessed of the morphological elements of ancient Northern European peoples, whose roots were linked to the late Paleolithic populations of Europe."

Denisova's "from the Netherlands in the West" is the North Sea basin that Lundman wrote about. It lie east of the British Isles. The so-called Anglo-Saxon (in the "Passing of the Frisians", by Nyessen: Reihengräber typus) is a recent invader from the North Sea population. The older population on the British Isles were not yet Nordid.





On another note, I think that the most distinctive "white" ("Nordic") phenotype emerged from the British Isles / North Sea area.

Scoob
Tuesday, October 26th, 2004, 04:34 PM
Nordids are therefore found from Ireland to middle Russia, with Scandinavia being the centre, definitely not being more "pure" or homogenous in origin, but rather that the region have the perfect balance between the invading groups that formed the Scando-Nordid folk stocks. This corroborates genetic studies that conclude that Scando-Nordics are around 2/3 "Irish" (the most genetically distinctive W. European group) genetic stock and 1/3 Eastern European genetic stock.

Unfortunately, the ABD test does not seem to distinguish W and E European stocks. What it does show is a higher incidence of Iranian (the company calls this "Mideastern", but its highest incidence is Iran) markers in the NE of Europe than elsewhere.