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Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 08:45 AM
"From France to Macedonia, and from Istanbul to Samarkand, are found populations in which the majority of persons present a characteristic morphology of the head and face; with a brachycephalic skull, often flattish in the occipital region, the foramen magnum and auricular passages set disproportionately far to the rear, the forehead often sloping, the face frequently elongated, and the nose salient and frequently convex."

From: The Principle of Dinaricization
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/troeplate35.htm

So, a Dinaric does not always have a convex nose or a flattened occipital region, it is seen often and frequently.

European Dinarics, (Photographic Supplement, Plate 36) (http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/troeplate36.htm)
Notice that most of them have straight but prominent noses and a rounded occiput.

With all that in mind: Just as a person can have non-Hallstatt traits and be classified as Hallstatt (i.e, Ben Affleck), a person can have non-Dinaric traits and still be classified as Dinaric (i.e, you). Every single type has some variation naturally. You belong to the Noric branch of the Dinaric race because you have more typical Nordic traits, (pale skin, light eyes, blond hair as a child) and also some UP traits.

If you look at portraits of Adolf Hitler, he is sometimes depicted as having a flattened occiput (although he didn't actually have this trait). Same thing with most of the NS propaganda art, specifically the SA. If this was an "inferior" or "Semitic" trait as you seem to fear, why would it be so frequently be depicted as a feature of the ideal German? If having a convex nose is such a terrible trait, why is the Waffen SS recruitment poster (http://www.militaria-net.co.uk/features/waffenss/p_vollendetem.jpg) showing a Nordic man with a convex nose?

Convex nose and/or flattened occiput:
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/front1.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/garant.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/wehr.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/sa.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/wille.jpg
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste2a.jpg

You're fully European. I've known plenty of Middle Easterners and none of them look anything like you. If volksdeutsche says you look like a specific Turkish individual, that doesn't mean you look typically Turkish. You're not a Turanid or Near Eastern. Dinarics are Near Eastern in the same way Alpines are mongoloid- it's a very, very distant relationship. I don't think "Turkish" or "Turkic" means nonwhite automatically, it's not that simple.

I think you're Central European, not Northern European but would look at home just about anywhere in Europe, except for maybe Finland or Estonia since you have no East Baltic traits (and no, it's not because you're not blond enough, those people aren't all blond either). You look like a lot of Hungarians I know and have seen. That probably has all sorts of negative connotations in your mind as being "Eastern" and "foreign invaders." They've been European for 1107 years and there has always been a Dinaric element. If you look at portraits (http://www.kfki.hu/keptar/english/b/barabas/muvek/index.html) of important Hungarians you'll clearly see Dinaric was and is an important type there.

Norics are the best. I'm going to post a few images of handsome Norics and Dinarics. I remember NP88 said she thinks blond Noric men are handsome. I very much agree! :D

I spent a lot of time writing all this specifically for you, Von Braun, I hope it makes you happy. :gift

Ferenc Liszt- Hungarian composer, Noric:

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 08:49 AM
Horst Wessel, German martyr, Noric:

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 08:51 AM
A handsome Hungarian model, Noric. x_love

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 08:53 AM
Another handsome Hungarian model. Predominantly Nordic, he gives the impression of a Dinaricized Nordic and not a Nordicized Dinaric.

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 08:55 AM
A brunet Noric from Hungary. :lovebirds

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 09:00 AM
Hungarian poet Mihály Vörösmarty, Noric

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 09:01 AM
Hungarian artist Miklós Barabás, Noric:

Evolved
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 09:04 AM
Handsome Polish model, Noric: x_love

GreenHeart
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 09:20 AM
There are two reasons why I think that the men in those posters have what you term a flattened occiput. its not really flat, just short in most of those cases, and I didn't ever see a nose that looks more convex than a typical Hallstatt nose. (Hallstatts have straight to convex noses)

Well like I was saying there are two reasons:

1) Most of the German nordish population looks almost exactly like this man.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/posters/liste2a.jpg

2) It's shown on the soldier men as a way to make them appear more masculine and brutal.

No doubt most of those men look good :gift, except the brunet from Hungary and the Polish guy is only ok looking...

If you look into their eyes you can feel their deep souls. You have to know there is something going on behind those eyes too.

Von Braun
Friday, March 7th, 2003, 05:00 PM
Originally posted by ladygoeth33


I spent a lot of time writing all this specifically for you, Von Braun, I hope it makes you happy. :gift



Thank you, I appreciate it. :) I will think about all of it.

Catterick
Saturday, April 16th, 2016, 10:05 PM
I agree. The Noric seems superfluous resulting from observer bias towards blondism & knowledge of German ancestry. Its just a local Dinaric.

Wulfram
Saturday, April 16th, 2016, 11:43 PM
Textbook German Dinarid

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/Architecture%20119/Germanic/mi06076c11a.jpg