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Frans_Jozef
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 01:22 AM
September 21, 2004

The situation in Sweden

Source:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/2004/09/003269print.html

Recently I posted a series of translations from Swedish papers, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti, about the situation in Malmø. The story got a great deal of attention, as none of it was reported by the media elite. However, I was contacted yesterday by a woman who told me that a Swedish speaker had questioned the veracity of Ali Dashti's translations.

As it turns out, they were more summaries than word-by-word translations — I didn't know this at the time I posted them, and I apologize for any misapprehension. However, Ali Dashti is not in the least ready to join the "fake, but accurate" ranks, and brings forward a mountain of new evidence to support the original posting. Here is his reply to the questioner:

I am happy somebody took an interest in what I was telling about Malmø, or Sweden in general. And I hope people write much more about it. I read in Swedish newspapers on a daily basis what is going on in Malmø. I also have friends living there, and people I know who recently left because of the situation. As was quoted in one of my articles, the emigration from the city is higher than it has ever been for several decades. Many of the people who leave state the lack of security as their main reason for leaving.

As for the articles I linked to, what I wrote was quotes from the articles as well as my comments after reading perhaps hundreds of stories like these in Swedish. I apologize for not stating that clearly enough, and I will never do that again. That being said, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with my description of the situation in Malmø. In fact, I probably understated it. Here is an article in Swedish from one of Sweden’s largest national newspapers, called “Malmø, 24 days in August”. It is a very long and scary list of stabbings, armed robbery, vandalism and pretty much any kind of crime and violence you can think of. The reason why this very politically correct newspaper wrote this article in the first place is because the situation is now so bad that it cannot be ignored any longer:

http://www.expressen.se/expressen/jsp/polopoly.jsp?a=181406Malmö, 24 dagar i augusti

Even though Malmø is the worst example, you will see the same trends in other major Swedish cities, too. Only a couple of days ago, city buses in a suburb of Stockhom had to be cancelled and rerouted, as three windows were smashed by rock throwing. As this was not the first time this had happened, the bus company decided they quite simply could not drive in this area anymore.

http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/stockholm/nyheter/artikel.asp?artikel=473749

Busslinjer i Tensta dras in efter ny stenkastning

Trafikföretaget Connex har fått nog av skadegörelse mot bussar i Tensta i nordvästra Stockholm. Nu dras flera busslinjer in i området, uppger Connex pressjour för Radio Stockholm.

Now, the article doesn’t state the ethnic origins of the perpetrators
(Swedish media rarely do), but this happens to be a neighbourhood with a lot of mainly Muslim immigrants. Throwing stones at buses hasn’t been that common in Sweden before. Two out of three new "Swedes" these days are immigrants, most of them Muslims:
http://www.spectator.se/stambord/index.php?p=97#comments

I attach a lot of links, most of them to major newspapers, and almost all of them in Swedish. This so that sceptical Swedish speaking people can see for themselves. I have more links if more is needed, but let us start with these. The majority are about the city of Malmø specifically, with some about Sweden in general at the end. I would also advice Scandinavian-speaking people to read some of the debates at the Swedish Muslim forum called http://www.sindbad.se/phpBB2/. It is scary, but
revealing.

As for the rape and gang rape situation, Swedish media have admitted that there has been a sharp increase in brutal rapes, including gang rapes, during recent years. They don’t state why, though. It may still not be as bad in Sweden as it is in Muslim ghettos in France, but the trend is the same:

http://www.iht.com/articles/114798.html

The phenomenon of gang rape in France has become banal. It occurs - how often is unknown - in the concrete wastelands built as cheap housing for immigrants on the outskirts of France's big cities. Here, according to sociologists and prosecutors, teenage boys, many of them loosely organized into gangs, prey on neighborhood girls. Many of the boys are raised in closed, traditional families and are hopelessly confused or ignorant about sex; others are simply street toughs. In this world, women enjoy little respect; often girls who appear weak, or who wear tight-fitting clothing or go out unaccompanied by their fathers or brothers are considered fair game. To avoid trouble, many girls of the projects have taken to wearing loose-fitting jogging clothes and hidden themselves behind domineering fathers or brothers; others have organized themselves into their own gangs. Many of the Muslim girls have donned head scarves - more for protection than out of religious conviction.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/13/60minutes/main617270.shtml

They rule gangland style, combined with the male-dominated traditions of the Arab countries they came from. It's gotten so bad that, today, most of the young women only feel safe if they are covered up, or if they stay at home. Girls who want to look just like other French girls are considered provocative, asking for trouble. “There was a trial in Lille where a 13-year-old girl was gang raped by 80 men. Sometimes, it’s 80, or 50 or 10. It’s absolutely terrible,” says
Bellil. “In the case of Argenteuil, it was horrible. A young woman was raped in a school. Of course, everybody knew, but they're so afraid of these young men that they prefer to close their eyes. That's the price of peace in the ghettos.” When the verdicts came down in this case, the courthouse turned into a madhouse. Eighteen teenagers were convicted of raping a 15-year-old girl over a two-month period. But what really shocked France was how the mothers of those boys reacted. "'You call this justice, seven years in prison for some oral sex,' says one mother. 'It's the girl who should be behind bars.'"

Again, I apologize for what may have been my clumsy presentation of these articles. The discription that was given of the situation was, however, 100% accurate. I stand by the information that was given. To my knowledge, Jihad Watch is the first English language news site that has ever mentioned the troubles in Malmø. I hope it won’t be the last.

Yours sincerely, Ali Dashti.

For the Swedish links, read on.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10070548

Rosengårds unga i konflikt med polisen
Av Ulrika Levander 2 januari 2004

Hjälp möts med stenar. Brandkåren avbryter släckningsarbetet vid hot och vaktbolagen höjer beredskapen.

MALMÖ. Efter att ha fått flaskor kastade mot sig från åttonde våningen och blivit utsatta för såväl stenkastning som spottloskor, fick Malmö brandkår nog när de attackerats med en slägga av ett ungdomsgäng i oktober.

Då höjdes röster för krav på poliseskort vid samtliga utryckningar i> Rosengård. Brandmännen är inte ensamma. Under hösten har stenkastande
ungdomsgäng också gett sig på parkeringsvakter, väktare, ambulanspersonal och poliser.

Som en konsekvens har flera myndigheter och företag skärpt sin säkerhet - både för att skydda sin egendom och sin personal. - Brandmännen är med rätta upprörda över vad som har hänt. Det är hemskt att utvecklingen har gått så långt att man ger sig på myndigheter som kommer för att hjälpa, säger Ken Henningson, brandchef på Malmö brandkår.

Vandaliseringen i stadsdelen i övrigt har också ökat drastiskt under
de senaste åren. Malmö stads fastighetsbolag, Stadsfastigheter, har
därför också beslutat sig för att stärka säkerheten.

- Vi har utökat bevakningen av skolorna med hjälp av väktare som går
ronder oftare, säger Bo Bremer, säkerhetssamordnare på Stadsfastigheter.

Kameraövervakning och särskilda stadsdelsvärdar som patrullerar
området finns på förslag.

Även lokaltrafikens bussar har drabbats av stenkastning och kör sedan
en tid inte längre in i bostadsområdet.

Närpolisen på Rosengård vill tona ner dramatiken.

- Ibland är stenkastningen en direkt hämnd för att vi har gripit
någon. I andra fall handlar det om en grupp av killar som inte riktigt är nöjda med att vi har fokuserat på dem. De vill visa vem som bestämmer, säger Mikael Davidsson, gruppchef för närpolisen.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10046819

Det bor mer än tjugotusen människor i Rosengård. De är mycket olika,
men många av dem har ett gemensamt problem: de lever utanför samhället
trots att de bor mitt i det.

Lars Åberg rapporterar från ett övergivet territorium i Malmö. Detta
är den första artikeln av tre.

På Ögårdsskolan, knuten till Islamic Center, har föräldrarna satt på
många av sina småflickor huvudduk. I föräldraföreningen sitter bara män.

Undervisningen i islamologi, som tar sina timmar från bland annat
musik och bild, syftar till att ge barnen ett ideologiskt fundament. En anställd berättar om den stora nyfikenhet på moskén i Malmö som svenskarna visar; föräldrarna här skulle däremot inte uppskatta om deras barn gjorde studiebesök i kyrkor.

Varför sätter man sina barn i friskola? För att skydda dem från det
skrämmande samhället utanför. För att stärka identiteten, det vill
säga reproduktionen av en bestämd självbild och ett givet system.

Vid besök i moskén har man kunnat få en liten introduktionsbok, "Islams principer", skriven av en pakistanier, Abul A'la Maududi, och översatt av en muslimsk studentgrupp i Lund. Av den framgår: "Mannen har givits positionen av familjens överhuvud. Ingen inrättning kan fungera friktionsfritt om den inte har en chefsadministratör ? Kvinnorna har beordrats att stanna i sina
hem och utföra de plikter som ålagts dem ? När kvinnor måste gå ut ur
sina hem ska de klä sig enkelt och vara korrekt beslöjade."

Om integration säger "Islams principer":

"Kulturell efterapning av andra har mycket katastrofala konsekvenser
för nationen; den förstör dess inre vitalitet, fördunklar dess syn,
insveper dess kritiska förmåga i dimmor, fostrar mindervärdeskomplex och utarmar gradvis men säkert kulturen. Det är därför som den Helige Profeten (frid över honom) uttryckligen och med kraft har förbjudit muslimerna att anta icke-muslimers kultur och livsstil."

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10046811

När föräldrar slår sina barn med galgar eller dammsugarslangar är det
inte alltid vredesutbrott; våld är också uppfostringsmetod. Hur ska jag få dem att lyda, är en vanlig fråga i föräldrasamtal och på
barnavårdscentraler.

Integration, det som alla säger sig bejaka men inte alla vill ha,
förutsätter arbete och språkkunskaper. Detta är en stad för sig.
Massor av barn härifrån har aldrig varit på bio. De har inte tagit bussen till centrum. Deras föräldrar har inte låtit dem åka skridsko på Lilla Torg. De vet inte att Lilla Torg finns.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10047861

De allra flesta vuxna i Herrgården arbetar inte. Många barn har
ingenstans att sitta med sina läxor. Det förekommer att familjer som får två lägenheter av socialen fyller den ena med släktingar och tillresta och tränger ihop sig i den andra, med barnen travade på madrasser och kläderna i lådor på balkongen.

Herrgården har tillåtits bli ett trix-å-fix-å-vara-ifred-näste dit
människor från hela stan har farit för att köpa brass och stulna skinnjackor.

Knark-och sprithandeln har skett öppet. Folk lever på bidrag och svartjobb; kombineras dessa blir inkomsten högre än vid vanligt lönearbete.

Området försörjs av omgivningen och utgör alltså något så udda som en
offentligt finansierad autonomi. Ändå hör man sällan någon opinionsbildare säga att detta Malmös Christiania bör stängas. Här gömmer sig folk utan uppehållstillstånd. I källarna sover hemlösa. Och över allt, mitt i detta, alla dessa barn; i vissa trappuppgångar runt sextio.

http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=247830

Här är inte så illa som det beskrivs i tidningarna. Det är det första
Gjon Tuqaj säger. Men det är inte sant. Läget är mycket, mycket värre och varken stadsdelens polis, socialchef, skolor eller tjänstemän ser någon ljusning.

Rosengårdsskolan ligger i Herrgården, det fattigaste av stadsdelens
sex delområden. I stort sett samtliga invånare har utländsk bakgrund och mindre än tio procent av de vuxna har ett arbete. Söder om Herrgården ligger Västra Kattarp där Rosengårds småhus finns. Här har 55 procent av invånarna utländsk bakgrund och 63 procent har jobb.

I måndags blev en synskadad kvinna bestulen på sin handväska i
Rosengård. När hon skulle låsa upp sin port överfölls hon bakifrån och tappade taget om rullatorn. Hon föll till marken och rånarna ryckte till sig hennes väska med 2 000 kronor i. Enligt vittnen till händelsen var två av förövarna tio till tolv år gamla, en tretton och två fjorton år.

Förra året anmäldes 292 fall av väskryckningar i Malmö. Polisen har
namn på 29 misstänkta gärningsmän. - Jag tror att 80 procent av dem har utomnordiskt ursprung, säger Thomas Anderberg, chef för Malmös
kriminalunderrättelsetjänst. - Brottsligheten är inte så hög i Rosengård rent statistiskt, säger närpolischefen Fredrik Andersson. Våra ungdomar begår de flesta brotten på andra ställen i staden

När polisen annars rycker ut till Rosengård sker det i två patruller.
Den ena får stanna kvar på gatan och vakta bilarna medan den andra går in på larmet.

Stadsdelsvärden Gjon Tuqaj berättar: - En polis som jag känner sa
till oss:

"Ni har det bra som kan gå rätt in i ett gäng med 30 ungdomar och
prata med dem. Vi måste alltid komma i två bilar." Allt som går i uniform riskerar att attackeras i Rosengård.

Vad tror närpolischefen Fredrik Andersson om framtiden? - Även om jag
är positiv till min läggning så tycker jag att framtiden ser mörk ut.
Man pratar om integration, men Rosengård är en ökande segregation. Något radikalt måste ske för att bryta trenden. Annars kommer vi aldrig till rätta med problemen.

http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aid=478960/

I tirsdags kunne man på TV se et godt eksempel på, hvordan svenske
politikere tænker om udlændingespørgsmålet. Den svenske integrationsminister Mona Sahlin (S) var gæst i svensk TV1, som sendte direkte fra indvandrerghettoen Rosengård i Malmø. TV-stationen satte fokus på en bydel, hvor mange beboere aldrig taler svensk endsige har truffet en etnisk svensker. I irritation over programmets præmis vendte Mona Sahlin sagen på hovedet for åben skærm og spurgte: »Hvorfor siger vi ikke i stedet, at det er et problem, at der er folk, som har boet hele livet i Sverige og aldrig været i Rosengård?«

I Malmø har mere end 40 procent af byens indbyggere en anden baggrund
end svensk. Kommunens socialdemokratiske borgmester, Ilmar Reepalu, var tidligere på året ellers ude med skrappe krav om et indvandrerstop
for byen.

Men det er han ikke længere. Nu er der ingen øvre grænse for
indvandringen, mener han. Malmø tager gerne flere flygtninge, bare man får at vide, hvor mange der kommer, så man kan tage højde for det i planlægningen.

»Generelt har vi intet imod, at der kommer indvandrere til Malmø. Vi
behøver jo mere arbejdskraft de næste 10 til 15 år. Men det vigtigste er, at vi giver de nye en god introduktion til samfundet, og at de lærer sproget og kommer i arbejde,« siger Ilmar Reepalu.

Men den officielle statistik er ikke med borgmesterens idealbillede.
I Sverige er 44,8 procent af de ikke-vestlige indvandrere helt uden for arbejdsmarkedet. Danmark ligger kun lidt dårligere med 49 procent
helt uden for arbejdsstyrken.

Og tallene er endnu værre, når man bevæger sig ud i virkeligheden.
Det mener den svenske forsker, socialantropolog Aje Carlbom fra Lunds
Universitet. Han flyttede sammen med sin kone ind i Rosengård i tre år for at studere ghettoen. Det kom der en doktordisputats ud af, og den punkterer effektivt myten om Sverige som det multikulturelle land, hvor integrationen fungerer.

I Rosengård eksisterer der en kløft mellem arabiske og somaliske
befolkningsgrupper på den ene side, der isolerer sig fra det øvrige
svenske samfund, og en svensk underklasse på den anden side, som følger sig forrådt af den svenske elite. Og den kløft vokser.

Hos Moderaterne, der er de Konservatives svenske søsterparti,
erkender integrationsordfører Per Westerberg, at indvandrerspørgsmål bliver dysset en del ned - også blandt borgerlige.

»I dag er det jo kun pensionisterne, som støtter de åbenlyst
fremmedfjendtlige holdninger. De unge har for længe siden vænnet sig
til det mulitikulturelle samfund,« siger Malmøs borgmester, Ilmar Reepalu.

Noget indikerer dog, at ikke alle svenskere er enige. I februar
spurgte avisen Sydsvenskan i Malmø sine læsere, om Danmark var gået for langt i sin indvandringspolitik. Mere end 2.000 svarede, og af dem sagde otte ud af ti:

Nej. En rapport fra Gøteborgs Universitet for to år siden peger i
samme retning.

»Mange er bekymrede, men det er ikke noget, man siger offentligt i
Sverige,« lyder det fra forskeren Aje Carlbom.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10079070

Den senaste veckan har varit konfliktfylld även i andra delar av
Rosengård. Som Sydsvenskan tidigare rapporterat utsattes i tisdags kväll en väktarbil som bevakade Rosengårds närpolisstation för stenkastning. Bilen fick allvarliga skador och en väktare hade änglavakt när en kastad gatstenen träffade nackstödet på hans bilstol.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10090550

Oron växer för en stor konflikt mellan albaner och araber på
Rosengård efter helgens knivmord på von Rosens väg. Under tisdagseftermiddagen träffades representanter från islamiska kulturhuset och den albanska fotbollsklubben Shkëndia för att mäkla fred.

Även Hidajete Dakaj, som såg hela bråket och det dödande knivhugget
från sin balkong, har hört och sett ungdomar som provocerar de sörjande genom att spela hög musik. Men Dakaj klandrar främst ambulansförarna och polisen för att knivdramat ledde till döden. Redan när bråket började, långt innan kniven kom fram, ringde Dakaj till polisen. Men polis och ambulans ryckte inte ut förrän långt senare, när Sedat Hahxiu låg blödande på marken. Sedan stod ambulansen och väntade på poliseskort i minst sju dyrbara minuter,
innan den körde ända fram till mordplatsen. - Om vi hade bott någon
annanstans i stan är jag säker på att polisen hade kommit mycket
fortare, och att ambulansen hade kört ända fram. Jag ska flytta från Rosengård så fort jag kan, säger Hidajete Dakaj.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10091227

På onsdagen begravdes albanen Sedat Haxhiu i sin hemstad Mitrovica i
Kosovo. Han knivhöggs till döds i Rosengård förra lördagen när han försökte ingripa i ett gräl mellan några arabiska och albanska ungdomar.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,515222,00.html

Våldet ökar i Malmö

De grova våldsbrotten i Malmö blir allt råare, grövre - och fler. Ökningen är tio gånger större än i Stockholm. De senaste sex åren har antalet anmälda våldtäkter, misshandelsfall, mord och dråp ökat med 21,7 procent i Skåne län. Motsvarande siffra för Stockholms län är 1,7 procent.

- Det har blivit fördjävligt i stan, säger Lars-Göran Karlströmer,
60, poliskommissarie i Malmö.

- Det finns mer vapen i omlopp och så ser vi att ungdomsbrottsligheten ökar. Det är en farlig tendens som har med utanförskap att göra, säger Lars Förstell, informationsdirektör vid polisen i Skåne län.

There is much more, but I have run out of time. Contact me if you would like to see it.

Posted at September 21, 2004 06:44 AM

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 02:14 AM
Mångkulturen stoppar glassbilen

Stockholm Den så kallade "mångkulturen" har nått sådana nivåer i Sveriges huvudstad att allt fler samhällsfunktioner börjar slås ut. Den senaste tiden har det rapporterats flitigt i massmedia om inställda tåg och bussar på grund av gängens framfart. Även utryckningspersonal i form av brandkår och ambulansmän råkar ofta illa ut när de ska utföra sina uppdrag i de invandrartäta områdena. I dag rapporterar Radio Stockholm att inte ens glassbilarna får vara i fred för de så kallade "ungdomsgängen".

Företaget Hemglass, som bedriver verksamheten med glassbilar, har tvingats ställa in flera av sina turer i såväl Stockholm som andra storstäder, och undviker numera vissa mångetniska områden helt. Benny Persson, glassförsäljare, berättar för Radio Stockholm att han och hans kollegor tvingas kasta sig in i sina bilar och söka skydd då de utsätts för attacker med stora stenar. Glassförsäljarna utsätts även för olika former av hot och deras bilar vandaliseras när de stannar till för att bedriva glassförsäljning i bostadsområdena.

För att försöka lindra problemen har Hemglass nu börjat köra dubbelbemannade turer med glassbilarna. I ett bostadsområde i Södertälje kommun som Radio Stockholm väljer att inte peka ut - av uppenbar anledning att radiokanalen inte vill att lyssnarna ska förstå att det är i de invandrartäta bostadsområdena som attackerna sker - uppger Radio Stockholm att Hemglass helt ställt in sin glassförsäljning då våldet mot försäljarna blev för omfattande. Även på andra platser där man tidigare stannat till på sina rundturer i storstäderna gör man nu uppehåll. Besvikna presumtiva glassköpare ringer enligt Hemglass till företaget och undrar varför glassbilarna inte längre kommer till deras bostadsområden.

Radio Stockholm rapporterar även i samma reportage att våldet i Stockholm är så omfattande att flera hissreparatörer vägrar att rycka ut till folk som fastnat i hissar förrän väktareskort anlänt till platsen.

http://www.den-svenske.com/txt/EpAlkEZpFykbyfMCAh.shtml

Summary in english: Multiculturalism in swedish ghettos has now reached the level where the icecream-man wont visit them anymore, since the multicultural little angels throw stones at him and his car, and threaten him.

And a personal comment: Where I live, there has been a lot of problems with violent immigrants for several years now. They kidnapped and nearly killed an elderly man, and robberies are not uncommon. Gangrapes and outdoor-rapes have occured here as well, and it is not even a big city. Anyway, when the native youth reacted to this by adopting a skinhead and nationalist worldview, the authorities reacted in their own way... First they sent police to knock doors to find out the extent of the nationalist "problem", then they hired a socialworker exclusively to work with the nationalist problem... If it wasnt my land and my folk that they are murdering through their slow genocide, I would laugh at it... Its just so insane and plain stupid...

Frans_Jozef
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 02:36 AM
Ha, nothing new under the sun, in some quarters of Antwerp even the police doesn't dare to patrol, girls and young women are sexually intimidated in open daylight, elderly people fall victims to pickpockets, molested and kicked by young street rats, riots and vandalism have increased the past years, but social workers, politicians, intellectuals and journalist shrugg it off as "subjective feelings of insecurity" and a "soured mentality" by the "autochtone" population with its blatant latent racism, who are insenstive to the flavour and blessings of a multicultural islamized society.

I reach for my gun whenever someone chatters about the greatness of Islamic civilisation...

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 11:36 AM
The stupidity of those who are elected to be our protectors and leaders never ceases to astonish:

Invandrarpojkar gripna för planerad massaker på skola

Sverige Två pojkar, en 16-åring och en 17-åring, greps under gårdagen av polis i Malmö, misstänkta för förberedelse till mord och olaga tvång. De båda skall enligt uppgift ha planerat ett attentat mot Slottstadens skola.

17-åringen, som har afghanskt påbrå, stod under våren åtalad för att ha planerat en massaker på sin gamla skola. Minst 30 personer skulle dödas. Han frikändes dock eftersom de planer han lagt upp inte ansågs tillräckligt utförliga. Domaren i tingsrätten jämförde planerna med Jönssonligan. Att en rådsman i dagens Sverige väljer att fria någon eftersom denne saknar sinne för planering är minst sagt allvarligt, i synnerhet då det gäller någonting så allvarligt som en massaker av svenska skolbarn. Istället släpptes afghanen snabbt ut i samhället igen.

Nu lyckades polisen förhindra ännu en skolmassaker, men frågan är om 17-åringen inte snart är ute igen, redo att planera ytterligare dåd.

http://www.den-svenske.com/txt/EpAluFklpZYKgzbMMd.shtml

Summary in english: Yesterday two kids were arrested in Malmö for plans to attack a school. One of them, a 17-year old afghan, was arrested and trialed for the same crime (preparing a massacre in his school) earlier this year, but was released because the plans werent good enough.

Glenlivet
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 01:34 PM
I also think it is rather silly that they blame it on the problem that they may have had psychological problems because they came from wartorn regions.

I simply wonder (like I also once heard a German politician say in media) why USA and particularly Canada should receive all the highly educated progressive immigrant and Europe those who carry problems with them.





Summary in english: Yesterday two kids were arrested in Malmö for plans to attack a school. One of them, a 17-year old afghan, was arrested and trialed for the same crime (preparing a massacre in his school) earlier this year, but was released because the plans werent good enough.

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 02:13 PM
I also think it is rather silly that they blame it on the problem that they may have had psychological problems because they came from wartorn regions.

I simply wonder (like I also once heard a German politician say in media) why USA and particularly Canada should receive all the highly educated progressive immigrant and Europe those who carry problems with them.
I guess part of the answer is that highly educated immigrants who come to Sweden at least, are not utilized, because of heavy bureacracy and generous welfare. They end up living on welfare or lowpaid service-jobs, while in the US they probably would have been forced, and able, to use their education.

Then again, we natives suffer from the many bureaucratic rules as well, it is not an easy thing to start a business in Sweden.

rhadley
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 02:48 PM
September 21, 2004


Recently I posted a series of translations from Swedish papers,

I would like to make three comments about this - and similar stories.

First, the title/headline displays a great ignorance and/or misunderstanding, because those responsible for what is described are not Muslims, but rather (mostly) non-Aryans.

It is rather like saying that a woman in, say, London, was attacked by a bunch of Christians just because the attackers may have been baptised as Christians.

So, can we stay away from what is sheer irrational prejudice, and thus a dishonorable attitude and put the blame where it may belong, which is on "immigrants"?

Second, if Aryan women are being attacked - and they are - then what of our honor, as Aryan men? What are we doing? Are we forming our own groups to patrol "certain areas" to make them safe? Are we offering to escort women in public? And so on...

Thus says an awful lot about the state of our folk, doesn't it?

The answer to this honorable demand is no, all we're doing it seems is trying to make some crappy political point for some equally crappy organization or group. When will we stand up honorably for what is Aryan and honorable - and fight?


Third, if women want the freedom to roam about in public in such areas (or cities in general), then hadn't they better be prepared and learn some self defence, or carry a weapon and be prepared to use it? If they are not of this "Aryan warrior maiden" mind-set then shouldn't they be prepared to be escorted by an Aryan man prepared to defend them?

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 03:12 PM
First, the title/headline displays a great ignorance and/or misunderstanding, because those responsible for what is described are not Muslims, but rather (mostly) non-Aryans.

So, can we stay away from what is sheer irrational prejudice, and thus a dishonorable attitude and put the blame where it may belong, which is on "immigrants"?

Second, if Aryan women are being attacked - and they are - then what of our honor, as Aryan men? What are we doing? Are we forming our own groups to patrol "certain areas" to make them safe? Are we offering to escort women in public? And so on...

Thus says an awful lot about the state of our folk, doesn't it?

The answer to this honorable demand is no, all we're doing it seems is trying to make some crappy political point for some equally crappy organization or group. When will we stand up honorably for what is Aryan and honorable - and fight?


Third, if women want the freedom to roam about in public in such areas (or cities in general), then hadn't they better be prepared and learn some self defence, or carry a weapon and be prepared to use it? If they are not of this "Aryan warrior maiden" mind-set then shouldn't they be prepared to be escorted by an Aryan man prepared to defend them?
These kids usually identify as Muslims, so why not call them just that? It is also my experience that the immigrants who behave the worst are usually Muslims (more or less orthodox of course). And the Muslim community is not very outspoken when it comes to anti-swedish violence, so I wouldnt be very tempted to call their leaders "honourable". :|

Wouldnt it be dishonorable to blame "immigrants" as well BTW? Not all immigrants rape. I noticed that you find Islam an honourable religion, but there are such elements in all religions, and in all immigrant cultures.

Concerning groups of Aryan men patrolling certain areas, it is not realistic at the moment. Most gangrapes take place in the home of some immigrant, not in public. Occasionally one can follow some woman home, or show a visible interest in the harassment from immigrant thugs on some Swede or very drunk woman (this visible interest usually is enough, since they are extremely cowardly. Looking at them actually makes them stop), but in most of the really serious cases, the woman put herself in the situation by herself.

Aryan men protect other Aryans every day, without this the crime-rate would be much higher. It just goes unseen most of the time. So Aryan man is not dead yet, nor is he a coward all of the time. :)

I find it a sad fact when our women cant walk freely, because we imported individuals who need their women to wear the burqah, or be in the company of a strong male, in order not to get raped though.

Frans_Jozef
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 03:13 PM
Dont start with your lousy semantics, Rhadley, these people are in most of cases Muslims who have a total disregard for the integrity of an individual and I wonder what incites them to molest women of our people than pure racist disdain; in fact, they show how they think and feel about their host country, something to exploit, pillage and plunder and erase its future and prosperities.

During the occupation of Belgium, women could walk in and out by day and night without being touched by a single German soldier, a sharper contrast to these wise guys who terrorize our streets isn't imaginable.
But what can you expect of acolytes of a religion created by a mentally disturbed paedophile.

Blaming the victim isn't very gentleman-like, but what can you expect by sad apologetics of your ilk, who best should be thrown out of the country.

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 03:48 PM
I reach the discomforting conclusion, that since:

1. Islam is an honourable religion
and
2. No real Muslim can ever do anything dishonorable
then
3. Any Muslim who commits a dishonorable deed, immediately ceases to be a Muslim
and
4. The word "Muslim" ceases to be of any use whatsoever to describe the real world in this scenario.

rhadley
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:15 PM
Dont start with your lousy semantics, Rhadley, these people are in most of cases Muslims.

Eh??

Define Muslim please. It's a way of life that requires certain standards.

Do the people you mention go to Mosque on Friday? Do they Fast in ramadan? Do they pray 5 times a day, and so on?

But... you and others miss the point. It's not ISLAM that's the problem. To bring islam into the equation here is just not on, unless of course one is just prejudiced.

As for blaming the victims... Again you miss the point. I did not so cast blame - just made a comment about being honorable, being prepared to fight; acting in a certain way.

Who is to blame for what's happened? Bottom line - we are! We've allowed the whole sorry mess. Our people have done very little to stop immigration, and they're doing little now to rectify the situation.

My point - such things as have been described go on. Now hear this - Where are the Aryans taking practical action in defence of Aryan women? Where are the warrior women fighting back?

Get my point now?

Tifilis
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:20 PM
Sweden is full with problems, that's th problem. That's the Social democrats a.k.a. Marxists fault. They think they do so good this and that, but they're only destroying the socity as they have done sice 1915 when they took over.
They simply can't fix anything, and if we're lucky, they're toppeled in 2006, and end of over 80 years of Marxist reign of Sweden.

Glenlivet
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:25 PM
What do you think of the new plan of the burgher ("borgare", non-socialist) block?

Polls show that they will probably win in 2006. I hope so.

I think the problem with these youth from the Levant is that they do not practise the religion but they got the patriarchal way of thinking from their fathers. They have much less respect for women. I am always worried when I see a young Swedish girl with one of these young men. You get a headache just thinking about this issue.




Sweden is full with problems, that's th problem. That's the Social democrats a.k.a. Marxists fault. They think they do so good this and that, but they're only destroying the socity as they have done sice 1915 when they took over.
They simply can't fix anything, and if we're lucky, they're toppeled in 2006, and end of over 80 years of Marxist reign of Sweden.

rhadley
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:27 PM
Wouldnt it be dishonorable to blame "immigrants" as well BTW? Not all immigrants rape. I noticed that you find Islam an honourable religion, but there are such elements in all religions, and in all immigrant cultures.


Excellent point, and I agree.




Concerning groups of Aryan men patrolling certain areas, it is not realistic at the moment.

It is realistic if we make it so.

Bottom line - honorable Aryans ARE and should be the law. Honor is the only law that matters.

Today - many Aryans obey the un-Aryan laws that our ZOG's have made to tame us. So stuff such laws!

We need to rebel. We need a real revolution.

We need areas where Aryans are safe and where others are unwelcome. Areas governed by our Aryan law of honor.

No one is going to give us such areas, such folk communties, so we've got to make them ourselves. This involves risk. Trouble is, we seem to have gone soft, as a folk.




Aryan men protect other Aryans every day, without this the crime-rate would be much higher. It just goes unseen most of the time.

We need to make it visible - make it known, and let others know that some Aryans at least mean business and will not take any sh*t that dishonors them or their women.




I find it a sad fact when our women cant walk freely,

True, but this is now a fact - and to change what is, some of us will have to act, and lead by example. That's the only way we're going things - by a revolution on the ground, on the streets, through practical action, through aiding our folk in practical ways.

Too much talk, far too much "politics" :)

Tifilis
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:30 PM
What do you think of the new plan of the burgher ("borgare", non-socialist) block?

Polls show that they will probably win in 2006. I hope so.

Yes. Hopefully they will be toppeled by the Moderats(Swedish right-wing conservative party), and fix the country up a bit. The Marxists(SD) are lazy and think that everything is going to fix itself. They've been destroying this nation sice the start of the 20th century. In 1915, the workers(with influens from Russia where Lenin preached) started to revolt, and the king Gustav V didn't want a revolution so the Marxist Hjalmar Branting was put in charge of the country and all these reforms came. That's so far I know it.

Glenlivet
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:30 PM
I'm afraid that this has nothing to do with Aryan or non-Aryan. It believe it has more to do with Germanic (mainly Protestantic countries) values and mentality and those far removed from the customs in these northern countries.

Frans_Jozef
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:32 PM
Eh??

Define Muslim please. It's a way of life that requires certain standards.

Do the people you mention go to Mosque on Friday? Do they Fast in ramadan? Do they pray 5 times a day, and so on?

But... you and others miss the point. It's not ISLAM that's the problem. To bring islam into the equation here is just not on, unless of course one is just prejudiced.

As for blaming the victims... Again you miss the point. I did not so cast blame - just made a comment about being honorable, being prepared to fight; acting in a certain way.

Who is to blame for what's happened? Bottom line - we are! We've allowed the whole sorry mess. Our people have done very little to stop immigration, and they're doing little now to rectify the situation.

My point - such things as have been described go on. Now hear this - Where are the Aryans taking practical action in defence of Aryan women? Where are the warrior women fighting back?

Get my point now?

Niks "Eh"!

You can bet these thugs kiss the floor in reverance of Allah and starve thenselves out during Ramadam to gormandize after sunset like porks, ver much like members of Italian maffia take communion and donate money to the church.
In Algeria women petitioned for separate compartments in public transports, in overcrowded buses they fell victim to men who either could keep their hands unto themselves..or if they did so they squirting some fluids on a passenger's dress. Yes, Algerians are non-Aryans and still recorded as Muslim, likewise the males in Pakistan who disfigure the faces of women suspected of adultery or who tried to flee after events of domestic violence.

I agree however that we should close the ranks and re-conquer our cities.

Glenlivet
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:40 PM
I am glad (and I see hope) as youth like you are so aware of the history and its implications on the folk.

Too diverse?

Is Britain becoming too diverse to sustain the mutual obligations behind a good society and the welfare state? (http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/ArticleView.asp?P_Article=12394)

Read the article above. I believe the same is true for Sweden. The situation is worse (maybe much!) in Britain. Parts of London I no longer consider English (or British). One can see the same trends in Sthlm when night buses no longer stop (as they throw stones) at some stations in neighbourhoods like Tensta.



Yes. Hopefully they will be toppeled by the Moderats(Swedish right-wing conservative party), and fix the country up a bit. T

Tifilis
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:43 PM
I am glad (and I see hope) as youth like you are so aware of the history and its implications on the folk.

Too diverse?

Is Britain becoming too diverse to sustain the mutual obligations behind a good society and the welfare state? (http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/ArticleView.asp?P_Article=12394)

Read the article above. I believe the same is true for Sweden. The situation is worse (maybe much!) in Britain. Parts of London I no longer consider English (or British). One can see the same trends in Sthlm when night buses no longer stop at some stations in neighbourhoods like Tensta.

Yes, I'm intrested in the problems in Sweden, but I think that it will take more than a generation to fix the problems the Marxists has created the last 80 years. Hopefully they will not come back after 2006.

Sweden as become one hell of a mess, if you exuce the expression.

Glenlivet
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:52 PM
It is alright. I think that you are showing a lot of respect for the country. I think that it is a great nation that is not living up to its potential. But these leftists and feminists do not want the best of anyone, a low average level of standards suit them well. The strongest sector in Sweden is probably the social care. I wonder if there is any other country in the world with as many social workers per capita.

It is really no longer such a prosperous country. The days of the great era with the great Swedish system are gone. That was from the 1930's up to the 1970's. Sweden benefited from playing neutral with both sides of the Cold war. The world situation is different now. The car industry (mind you, Germany got similar problems, and a similar government!) is almost lost.

The problem in politics is also that Göran Persson is a bully and that the main discussion nowadays is why the Leftists leader call himself Communist. It is so silly as the party is in origin a Communist party. They only changed their name! What should he do, say he is not and lie?




Yes, I'm intrested in the problems in Sweden, but I think that it will take more than a generation to fix the problems the Marxists has created the last 80 years. Hopefully they will not come back after 2006.

Sweden as become one hell of a mess, if you exuce the expression.

Tifilis
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 04:59 PM
It is alright. I think that you are showing a lot of respect for the country. I think that it is a great nation that is not living up to its potential. But these leftists and feminists do not want the best of anyone, a low average level of standards suit them well. The strongest sector in Sweden is probably the social care. I wonder if there is any other country in the world with as many social workers per capita.

It is really no longer such a prosperous country. The days of the great era with the great Swedish system are gone. That was from the 1930's up to the 1970's. Sweden benefited from playing neutral with both sides of the Cold war. The world situation is different now. The car industry (mind you, Germany got similar problems, and a similar government!) is almost lost.

The problem in politics is also that Göran Persson is a bully and that the main discussion nowadays is why the Leftists leader call himself Communist. It is so silly as the party is in origin a Communist party. They only changed their name! What should he do, say he is not and lie?

Yes, that's the problem. And all those feminists... I wish they just could be deported and put in camps just as their beloved leaders Lenin and generalissimus Stalin did with their people ;) . They don't know much, they believe in Soviet propaganda lies and is just fanatical in general. And the main problem is that they get all the attetion in the media etc, while they really should be supressed.

Oskorei
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 05:00 PM
Regarding the discussion about Social Democracy or a Right Wing Coalition:

It wont change that much, since the main problem in Sweden is racial, ie. immigration. And the Right Wingers are today just as pro-immigration and pro-multiculturalism as the Social Democrats.

Another problem is that many with "Nationalist" opinions do not see the anti-Nationalism of the Right Wingers, so they will calm down once Göran Persson and the hated Mona Sahlin are gone. And this will weaken Nationalism as a movement in our society.

Personally I dont vote either Left or Right, I vote National Democrat.

rhadley
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 07:58 PM
You can bet these thugs kiss the floor in reverance of Allah
<rest snipped>



Let's just say you have your way of thinking and I have mine.

I'm trying to be Aryan - i.e. to think, to live, with honor and reason, with a love of my folk, my homeland, and with a respect for those who act with reason and honor toward me.

But - it seems honor is in short supply. There's just too many words, too little action.

In some ways, forums such as this do both good and harm, and no I won't explain this. Someone else might. Any offers? :)




I agree however that we should close the ranks and re-conquer our cities.

Well, I agree with you - we should just stop bickering like children among ourselves, and yes, join forces and take action - based upon honor, always striving to be noble, to act with honor.

Reclaiming our homelands and making our folk into Aryans - into noble men and women - is our priority.

Frans Jozef
Friday, October 22nd, 2004, 08:43 PM
I know individuals who are Muslim and side with me, but their islam faith is a personal path to better their soul, it's a language and rite to reconcile themselves with the World, Mankind and the Absoluteness...I know one who is more humanistic, christian...unitarian...than many who fiddle with the flag of Christianity and secular renaissance, but in sé Islam is the opponent and very negative counterpart of all things that we all cherish and feel deep in us...

Choose your allies well, and dont let the price be paid by the innocent.
Remember 1953, 1956 and 1968.

Allies come and go.

But a friend/friends can pull you up if they go by all for one and one for all...and if loose them/he/she...well, it's like losing your religion........................

rhadley
Saturday, October 23rd, 2004, 04:40 AM
Choose your allies well...


Well, before we can even think of allies we have to have some kind of Aryan army or fighting organization... :)

Which means some sort of unity among ourselves, a shared way of life perhaps, the same sense of idealism, maybe even a shared dream.

But - we seem to be far from that.

As for me, it's the weekend and I'm off for some R&R. What decadence, eh? :)