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Tekkobra
Friday, February 28th, 2003, 04:55 AM
Gentelmen,

I have read many of your post and tried to be openminded in understanding how you think, feel and believe.

While I am not at a point to form a concise opinion on the matter I will share this point of common interest, not only to yourself, but as a thorn in the side of American taxpayers.

Isreal recieves over half of our foriegn aid budget, preferential bond treatment and historically has overshadowed the other 80+ million people killed in WW2.

I disagree that Isreal is our personal responsibility to protect and that history taught in schools barely touches on the atrocities of Stalin and Mao, which dwarf Hitler in every aspect.

No mention is ever given to Pol Pot and very little attention is paid to providing factual evidence. No balance is given to the brilliance of German engineering, or the early war superiority of the German war machine, later crushed by the allies, if not by sheer numbers alone.

I have no animosity towards jews as a people, nor thier religion. I have no problem with their integration, or of other races, religions into the western world. What I do have a problem with is prefential treatment towards Isreal and minorities, which results in reverse-racism and breeds contempt in those of us who are thinking men.

I do not share the common politically correct views that any sort of reparations are due anyone, for any reason.

While I cannot share your enthusiasm for en masse' exclusion of certain types of people from society, I can understand how such contempt is bred, if not by those very people themselves. It is common belief and in fact a reality that jewish are an exclusionary society, in my opinion this is one of the reasons their culture has been suspect, nonetheless in many cases it is self-perpetuated.

I will welcome a retort on your part and will not judge either way your point of view as you are entitled to it, however I will not wholesale accept the notion that jews, nor minorities are the singular cause of western cultural decay.

By all means gentlmen, retort.

Tekkobra
Friday, February 28th, 2003, 05:05 AM
I mentioned Pol Pot as a point of interest regand do realize this was not in the ww2 era. I also wanted to note that US support of Isreal lies in stablization of the middle east, while I do not agree that this is our primary reasoning, it does hold some merit. As far as those of you who are looking for the muslim, or Islamic world to "finish the job", not being combative here, but Isreal has about 400 tactical nuclear weapons and could single handedly annihilate the entire middle east... I think the best compromise you could hope for would be a withdraw of US aid and technology at the expense of the American people, which is fine by me. I never believed it was the United States sole responsibility to hold up another nation.

Ederico
Friday, February 28th, 2003, 12:45 PM
You make some good points and at the moment I cannot comment on all of them because I am busy, perhaps I'll return later. Moreover I am not American or North American and it seems that your posts are aimed at American Racialists here. I see nothing controversial to what you wrote, therefore I would like to do some questions.

Do you agree with the continual arrival of non-European Immigrants into Europe and other currently or previously White strongholds in the world, such as the United States?

Do you agree that such immigrants or simply non-Whites be given equal rights and in the end also citizenship to the expense that they affect our States, Societies, Nation, and Race?

Do you believe that Europe should be an area where only Whites are Citizens? If not, why is this so, don't we have a right to our own lands?

These are some questions I have.

P.S. I noticed that you had some National Socialist imagery before therefore giving the impression that you are a Racialist, now you unmask yourself as a Non-Racialist or perhaps even an Anti-Racialist. This is not the correct behaviour and know that I would be inclined to remove your account, but I am making an exception since you have been civil. Unfortunately I am restricting your forum access to further test you, this is part of the procedure being taken with Non-Racialists who have been registering here to cause havoc in recent days.

Aryan NS
Saturday, March 1st, 2003, 12:38 AM
I have never had a problem with white people that are non racialist on this board. Actually, I think it is a good idea to have a couple for debates, which I am always open for.:gift


I have read many of your post and tried to be openminded in understanding how you think, feel and believe
This is good. But be sure that you truely are open minded. Many people will say they are, when in fact they already have their minds set on a certain way of thinking. This is can subliminal, and many of these people dont realize their bias nature.

I disagree that Isreal is our personal responsibility to protect and that history taught in schools barely touches on the atrocities of Stalin and Mao, which dwarf Hitler in every aspect.
You are right about Isreal. One of the reasons we are going to war with Iraq, is for Isreal. So why protect them?
In my years of highschool, I have never heard the name Stalin or Mao. Not even once. Of course I heard of Hitler in school, and how he was an evil man that murderd six million jews in an attempted genocide. This false information is pumped out by the Jews constantly. If you want to read the facts read "Did Six Million Really Die" here... www.IHR.org
Not to get off subject x_p it just bugs me that this giant misperception is being tought as truth.


I have no animosity towards jews as a people, nor thier religion. I have no problem with their integration, or of other races, religions into the western world. What I do have a problem with is prefential treatment towards Isreal and minorities, which results in reverse-racism and breeds contempt in those of us who are thinking men.
The Jews religion is barbaric, but religion is all personal I guess.
It is absurd to say that every single last person of a race is a piece of trash, this is obviously not true. There is some good of other races. But the Jews that run the USA are the decrepid of society, through their media control and government positions, they promote intergration and race mixing and even homo sexuality. This mass intergration is causing problems in maintaining cultural diversity. How can the Aryan race survive when we have our people mixing? It is cool to be black in the USA. It is NOT cool to be white. This is because of the jewish controlled media pumping this notion in our heads. We as the white man, live with this notion to help the struggling black man. We feel bad about the past because so slavery, because the Jew tells us to be. This is rediculous seeming the Jews ran most of the slave market, and the majority of slave owners were Jewish.
Don't get me started on reverse predjeduce, I live in the deep of South Carolina, I know all about it. I am a victom of racist blacks and mexicans and other muds. As well as I am a victom of the Jew, which we all are, like it or not.

Let me give you my belife real quick, in short.
I believe that the trash of every race should be eliminated, and the good of every race should walk on its own land. Or at least give us some european land while it is still some what noble.
I live by the 14 words "We must secure the existance of our people and a future for white children."


I will welcome a retort on your part and will not judge either way your point of view as you are entitled to it, however I will not wholesale accept the notion that jews, nor minorities are the singular cause of western cultural decay.
This dosnt sound too open minded to me. You have been granted regular access to the forum, please go and read some of the evidence we have here. Come back and give your opinions.


By all means gentlmen, retort.
I did mine, I think I coverd everything good enough, if not let me know. Now please, its your turn.

Tekkobra
Saturday, March 1st, 2003, 09:49 PM
Originally posted by Nazzjonalist
You make some good points and at the moment I cannot comment on all of them because I am busy, perhaps I'll return later. Moreover I am not American or North American and it seems that your posts are aimed at American Racialists here. I see nothing controversial to what you wrote, therefore I would like to do some questions.

Most of my experience has been in North America yes. I find American blacks for example intolerable, second only to African savages, however Europian blacks, as far as my experiences are concerned are educated and well recieved, not to mention do not bleed the country of resources in the name of equality.


Do you agree with the continual arrival of non-European Immigrants into Europe and other currently or previously White strongholds in the world, such as the United States?

I strongly disagree with the open-border policy, especially as it relates to Mexico. I find that people of exceptional talent are needed for the high skill jobs in this country and looking elsewhere is often needed, especially in the medical and engineering field. The German and Scottish, the best at engineering overall are not exactly fleeing Europe, therefor Asians become our primary source of "skilled" import.

I have a significant problem with wholesale refugees, look at what Castro did when he let criminals loose and we embraced them... LOL, joke is on us. I also have a significant problem with allowing Middle Eastern, Chinese and known hostile countries send exchange students to learn higher education. (ie. Nuclear Engineering, chemistry etc..)


Do you agree that such immigrants or simply non-Whites be given equal rights and in the end also citizenship to the expense that they affect our States, Societies, Nation, and Race?

No, Frankly the fact that illegals are taxing the medical system in this country to the point of snapping sickens me, not to mention if a doctor makes a mistake the illegal can sue him at the expense of you and I and then go back to their respective countries wealthy... nice system? I also believe that the common language in this country should be strictly adhered to, we are not here to try and please every immigrant, however some immigrants are needed for certain fields. I look at things more economically.


Do you believe that Europe should be an area where only Whites are Citizens? If not, why is this so, don't we have a right to our own lands?

No foriegn nation or persons should be allowed to own land in another country, nor control vital industry, it weakens the country. As for non-whites being citizens I would be more flexible on it than you would, mainly because we the whites are the minority in the world and I do not think we want the backlash that would ensue. You must compromise certain issues in order to win the larger ones.


P.S. I noticed that you had some National Socialist imagery before therefore giving the impression that you are a Racialist, now you unmask yourself as a Non-Racialist or perhaps even an Anti-Racialist. This is not the correct behaviour and know that I would be inclined to remove your account, but I am making an exception since you have been civil. Unfortunately I am restricting your forum access to further test you, this is part of the procedure being taken with Non-Racialists who have been registering here to cause havoc in recent days.

I removed my sig in order that people not have a pre-concieved idea of what I think, rather they judge my words, not my imagery.
I would rather them understand, not judge what I say.

As far as being non-racist, it's a matter of perception. I simply choose to keep some opinions to myself regarding those matters. I will at some point discuss with you my personal issues with certain groups and in the mean time I hope we can continue a nice civil dialogue.

I did read many of the links you posted and continue to do so, the evidence presented in many cases is compelling, however the reference documents require further reading and this is what I am doing now. I thank you for providing links, statements without reference are just rhetoric, I appreciate the fact that you share those resources. Many times people simply spout learned behavior, I cannot tolerate sheep, no matter if I agree with them or not.... An opinion not independantly derived is pointless and dogmatic.

Tekkobra
Saturday, March 1st, 2003, 10:10 PM
P.S.

I did not come here to troll, debate, or simply disagree. I came to understand a differing point of view, perhaps not as different as you may think, maybe it's simply a matter of differing paths to the same conclusion.

I would think that you would allow people who disagree with you to come on the boards anyway. How often has your voice been quieted by the politically correct crowd? Isn't it standard practice of the media to potray people who are not politically correct as paleolithic cave-men?

If you shut down your forum to those who think ill of you, or disagree, how will people of similiar thought ever convince, or have any bearing on the largely brainwashed public?

It seems you would welcome debate from those people... I certainly would. Many of the post in here are very civil and simply present an alternate point of view, followed up with reference material. I think those types of post are helpful, even if to dispell the belief that your opinions are simply dogmatic and without thought.

I visited Stormfront for example, their IRC channell... I was booted and banned because my wife is half-asian. This is naturally ridiculous to me since I happen to love asian women and if you expect to gain any ground you must form alliances, even if you do not agree on all points. Common beliefs must be the guideline, not absolute agreement on all issues.

To this point I am much more impressed here than on Stormfront and would like to continue, however if you cannot deal with the fact that I married a half-asian and it troubles you to the point of irritation, then by all means de-activate me, I think it would be overzealous, but these are your forums and I respect that.

Aryan NS
Saturday, March 1st, 2003, 11:28 PM
I would think that you would allow people who disagree with you to come on the boards anyway. How often has your voice been quieted by the politically correct crowd? Isn't it standard practice of the media to potray people who are not politically correct as paleolithic cave-men?

This is why you have been given access to the board. Please feel free to browse the forums.

Tekkobra
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Aryan NS
This is why you have been given access to the board. Please feel free to browse the forums.

I was referring to a statement he made earlier about not allowing any non-racist, of course calling me a non-racist would make my wife laugh even... lol

GreenHeart
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 06:41 AM
Sorry but you can't be a racist because you are a race-traitor. Plain and simple. You sound like another guy who came on Stormfront and here before. Why is it you disgusting race-traitoring men think you can support the white race and yet push it to extinction????

You should be proud of your race and ancestors and not sell out to nonwhite muds.

Tekkobra
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 07:05 AM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Sorry but you can't be a racist because you are a race-traitor. Plain and simple. You sound like another guy who came on Stormfront and here before. Why is it you disgusting race-traitoring men think you can support the white race and yet push it to extinction????

You should be proud of your race and ancestors and not sell out to nonwhite muds.

This is the reason the white supremist movement will never get anywhere... you cannot concede on any issues, nor can you alliance yourself with those who have even the most minute of differences.

Now you know why people have such a problem with your movement. There are many people that would alliance themselves for particular reasons, however with such a closed minded attitude most will never.

You should think about what is more important, achieving goals sometimes take compromise.

Tekkobra
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 07:19 AM
It would seem there are a number of "issues" that many groups of differing opinions could work togather on... one of those primary issues is the perliforation of our country by immigrants. A good portion of us feel this is taxing our economic, medical and school systems. Many of us also feel that it is starting to balkanize the country, especially when we cater to spanish speaking immigrants instead of requiring them to learn English.

Another common interest would be to stop catering to every minority whime in the name of equality. This should be of particular interest to you. I may not agree with everything you say, but I will defend your right to say it to the death.

When NYC banned the KKK from parading I was furious and wrote letters to our senators, I dispise the group, but I do support their right to say and do as they wish.

Your rights end where anothers begin. You have the right to say whatever the hell you want, even if it preaches what they are calling "hate speech", "anti-zionist", "anti-ZoG" or "anti-negro"....

You can attack me all you want, but sometimes those you think are enemies are your friends and likewise sometimes your friends are your worst enemies.

Directly or indirectly men like me, race traitors or not, are the reason you can continue to speak as you wish. While you are preaching white supremacy, I am defending your right to do so.

See how this relationship works?

GreenHeart
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Tekkobra
This is the reason the white supremist movement will never get anywhere... you cannot concede on any issues, nor can you alliance yourself with those who have even the most minute of differences.

Now you know why people have such a problem with your movement. There are many people that would alliance themselves for particular reasons, however with such a closed minded attitude most will never.

You should think about what is more important, achieving goals sometimes take compromise.


About free speech- In fact I'd rather we didn't have it, then people would really see the need to fight against the government tyranny.

The movement I belong to isn't about mere economics or some moronic politics, it's about protecting the ENTIRE EXISTENCE of my race. I don't see how cooperating with race traitors (the most important thing I stand against) will help me with my goal.

So I should compromise my very movement.......for what?????

The movement will never go anywhere if we let race traitors in and accept them just like the liberals. If we do that then everything we fight for is already lost, because in that we lose the last of our race.

Tekkobra
Sunday, March 2nd, 2003, 07:06 PM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Sorry but you can't be a racist because you are a race-traitor. Plain and simple. You sound like another guy who came on Stormfront and here before. Why is it you disgusting race-traitoring men think you can support the white race and yet push it to extinction????

You should be proud of your race and ancestors and not sell out to nonwhite muds.

We all have our battles. Yours is the maintain purity in the race, how you determine purity I will never know. Looking at my son with light hair, blue eyes and all of my features you would never know, so how do you? I could sprinkle a little something in any white anciestory and you would never know, indeed when the moors invaded Europe this was the case... You maintain you are pure, yet if you looked at my son you would determine he was too.

You see the extenction of the white race is not perpetuated by men like me, it is prolonged. A little touch of something here and there is more than likely in all of you, whether 500 years back, or 2 generations and you cannot prove otherwise since the dna of my son would look exactly the same as yours, or anyone absolutely pure.

The myth that you can tell is just that. Be satisfied with what you have to work with as I am as pure white as you can get with both parents haven been Scottish, but who is to say that the many invasions into Scotland over the millenia didn't yeild a touch of mixing? You would never know... nor do I.

Von Braun
Monday, March 3rd, 2003, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by Tekkobra
As for non-whites being citizens I would be more flexible on it than you would, mainly because we the whites are the minority in the world and I do not think we want the backlash that would ensue. You must compromise certain issues in order to win the larger ones.


If a female relative of yours, say a daughter, was about to be gang-raped, would you choose to not try and defend her because it might be dangerous for you? :rolleyes:

Hello, there is an uncompromisable thing called "self-defense" that a sane man practices NO MATTER WHAT. I do not care how small of a minority we are. Survival is everything.

AryanSoldier
Monday, March 3rd, 2003, 08:26 AM
I will simply say this quote that a great friend of mine said long ago before his death.

"Those who do not stand with us, stand against us and there can be no medium from which people can stand, you must choose a side, their can be no neutrals in this new war, this new war will consume everyone within it and only those who have the guts to fight without restraint for what they believe in shall win. We must fight without hesitation and without regard for ethics or emotions,
this war must be fought for our survival, for our survival at any cost. and therefore we must anihilate the enemy as a whole and without remorse and restriction."


HEIL HITLER!!!

Ederico
Monday, March 3rd, 2003, 05:48 PM
@Tekkobra

The limiting or blocking of Forum Access to Non-Racialists is a temporary procedure due to an attack by some Anti-Racialist Race Traitors who posted disgusting pornographic material at our board which is strictly not allowed. They seemed to come in mass and for a period of time we are being restrictive for added security. Obviously one thing must be clear to everyone, this board is called Aryan Dawn and is to serve as an online meeting place for Racialists mainly, we never had much non-Racialists who posted here.

Evolved
Wednesday, March 5th, 2003, 06:14 AM
You're perhaps a "racist" (against blacks and other dark people). But you're not a racialist. Most people here would say your wife is not "white" and neither is your son (assuming you're "white" as you say you are), but I'm surprised they weren't more forgiving at Stormfront..

There were thousands of battles fought through the centuries to keep mongoloids out of Europe, to prevent the infiltration of their genetic material. To seek it out is a betrayal of the dead. x_nono

And see how you're justifying yourself here, that your child is blond, blue-eyed and looks just like you? Next I'm sure you'll give us the "Asians have a higher average IQ" excuse. :rolleyes:


Originally posted by Tekkobra
I visited Stormfront for example, their IRC channell... I was booted and banned because my wife is half-asian. This is naturally ridiculous to me since I happen to love asian women and if you expect to gain any ground you must form alliances, even if you do not agree on all points.

GreenHeart
Wednesday, March 5th, 2003, 08:19 AM
They all say their children are blond haired and blue eyed or blond/green- whatever they want. But when it comes down to it, yes the mongoloid admixture would be evident, no matter what the coloring. I can see it in the eastern slavs and the lapps, and without a doubt I could see it in a child- so long as the child is old enough to have developed more adult features (like the girl on my avatar). With babies though, its almost impossible to spot small amounts of admixture because all babies are lighter, and all babies have the same flat face.

If a child is half mongoloid (I know a Nordic woman who has one) the child is NOT going to be blond and blue eyed. It totally defies genetics and it's a lie to say that's true. The child will look totally 100% mongoloid. You must be of at least 75% Nordic racial ancestry to have any of those traits, and most often even that is not enough.

Purity is relative, however whites who can be defined as PURE have no recent nonwhite ancestry. I consider recent to mean the last 200-300 years. Further back than that the percentage of nonwhite blood created by 1 nonwhite ancestor compared to all the white ancestors is too low to make much of a difference. (So long as we aren't talking about niggers.)

By the way, you obviously haven't heard of haplogroups, which can without a doubt prove what race a person belongs to. Your childs DNA will not be the same as yours, mine, or anyone else who isn't part mud mongoloid. It may not show up on his paternal ancestral DNA, but it will most surely be there on the maternal side.

I don't care if your child is the blondest kid in the world it still doesn't change the fact that he's mixed. Anyway, some people have a strange definition of blond..... x_p

Oh yes, Tekkobra, please sustain our race by race mixing. You are doing us a great favor. :rolleyes: