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Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Monday, February 24th, 2003, 12:58 AM
I am mostly just curious as to what he would be classified as. Thanks beforehand to anyone that classifies him :D

http://www.michaelmadsen.com/images_photo_album/092002/full_4.jpg

http://www.michaelmadsen.com/images_photo_album/092002/full_5.jpg

http://www.personalephemera.com/mike/images/mont2.gif

Saladin
Monday, February 24th, 2003, 02:54 AM
Loved him in reservoir dogs. :D

Glenlivet
Monday, February 24th, 2003, 03:49 PM
I thought about his type too. I liked him in "Donnie Brasco".
He look cool. I think he's Irish Brünn (Lundman's Atlantic, anyway, some CM) + Mediterranean proper. Do you think there's anything Nordic there?

http://www.kelwick.karoo.net/Images/Preview%20Images/Bond%2020%20-%2019.jpg

Just look at the browridges.

He got a Danish surname. But I suspect most of his ancestry is Irish. Do you have any info.?

Here is his sister Virginia Madsen: http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/e3b31660.jpg
http://www.fashiondish.com/issues/images/jul0700images/Virginia%20Madsen2%20150x150.jpg
http://www.sf-radio.de/stellarcom/highlander/filmberichte/bilder/biographien/Virginia12.jpg
http://www.sabc3.co.za/tools/ImageUploader/ThumbNail/2127_apocalypse%20watch3.jpg
http://www.fashiondish.com/issues/images/jul0700images/Virginia%20Madsen1%20150x150.jpg

She is kind of cute.





Originally posted by Vanessa
I am mostly just curious as to what he would be classified as. Thanks beforehand to anyone that classifies him :D

Allenson
Monday, February 24th, 2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by volksdeutsche
I thought about his type too. I liked him in "Donnie Brasco".
He look cool. I think he's Irish Brünn (Lundman's Atlantic, anyway, some CM) + Mediterranean proper. Do you think there's anything Nordic there?


Just look at the browridges.

He got a Danish surname. But I suspect most of his ancestry is Irish. Do you have any info.?




Yeah, he's a Brunn for sure. I don't see much in the way of a Nordic influence. Do you Volks? Maybe the slope of the forehead but I think his browridges are too strong for a Nordic....

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Monday, February 24th, 2003, 08:23 PM
I have no idea about his ancestry, but I also assumed he was Irish :) He also reminds me a bit of this singer in a band I like, who is actually Irish....

But whatever he is, he is one of the best looking men I've seen! x_love x_blush

GreenHeart
Tuesday, February 25th, 2003, 10:24 PM
He's Brünn of the less distinct variety. His look doesn't 100% typify Brünns. Anyone know his height and weight?

EDIT: I think he might have some atlantid admixture. For some reason I think both him and his sister look midly slavic. He looks like my aunts husband who is Polish.

Hamlet VI
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 12:26 AM
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Evolved
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 05:41 AM
It's not possible for a person to look Slavic, Germanic, etc. There are so many different subtypes within those ethnolinguistic groups for "Slavic" or "Germanic" as a racial label to be subjective and meaningless.


Originally posted by NordicPower88
For some reason I think both him and his sister look midly slavic.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 10:00 AM
You are right, and I'm a big advocate that race and ethnicity and nationality should be separated, although some nations are more homogenous than others. As an example, certain types are more common among the Germans compared with the French. No one can deny that. His square shaped face and overgrown body type is common among the Balts. He is 6'2 (188 cm). I guess the Aistin (West-Baltic) types the Balts have give a similar feature as the Brünns of Ireland. Although the Aistins are within the Nordic concept, and they can resemble Trönders. Michael Madsen is partly Mediterranean (or you can call it Paleo-Atlantid, although that is only of geographical value for me).

Photos:
http://www.michaelmadsen.com/photo_album.html





Originally posted by ladygoeth33
It's not possible for a person to look Slavic, Germanic, etc. There are so many different subtypes within those ethnolinguistic groups for "Slavic" or "Germanic" as a racial label to be subjective and meaningless.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by ladygoeth33
It's not possible for a person to look Slavic, Germanic, etc. There are so many different subtypes within those ethnolinguistic groups for "Slavic" or "Germanic" as a racial label to be subjective and meaningless.

I think there is somewhat of a "Slavic" look (I stress somewhat). You can call me crazy, I don't care :D I have seen many people and thought that hey "they look Russian" or "they look Serbian" and I have been right. Maybe it's just intuition, but either way it happens.

I have also seen Slavic men that look like him...big and tall ("heavy" looking), with prominent and defined features. Slavs often have prominent noses. This "Slavic look" is probably from a personal observation of what Slavs you have seen look like. But strangely in conversations I have had about the "Slavic look" everyone seems to say the same things :eek: I think when people stay to a defined region, even though there are different subraces that they can develop there own look from that.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 07:35 PM
Take this dinaric man, for example. He was Ukrainian (actually I have heard the Belorussians claim him as well, but he's Slavic either way) and my Polish grandfather had an uncanny resemblance to him. Do you see people that look like this in other parts of Europe? Yes you have dinarics, I know hehe...but look at his big thick head LOL...

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/dracegal_files/85.jpg

Glenlivet
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 08:03 PM
Well, you can find it in Georgia and Turkey too. That man was a traveler, who knows his ancestry. Günther had some odd examples too. He wanted the Germans to see race from a strictly empirical perspective. Which is not that bad, but he made mistakes, as he disregarded anthropometry. In some ways he was a pseudo-scientist.

I think that man is predominantly Armenoid. So your grandfather may had the same dominant component.



Originally posted by Vanessa
Take this dinaric man, for example. He was Ukrainian (actually I have heard the Belorussians claim him as well, but he's Slavic either way) and my Polish grandfather had an uncanny resemblance to him. Do you see people that look like this in other parts of Europe? Yes you have dinarics, I know hehe...but look at his big thick head LOL...

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/dracegal_files/85.jpg

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 08:22 PM
Yeah, Stalin had a big head and he's from Georgia haha.

Well Hellstar had that post about how dinarics are related to Armenoids. I should have my grandfather classified I am quite curious now. His face was more narrow and longer than that guys though, that is the main difference.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by volksdeutsche
That man was a traveler, who knows his ancestry.

Someone being a traveler wouldn't affect their ancestry more than anyone else's, only possibly their offsprings :)

Glenlivet
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 08:37 PM
Yes, but I'm not sure if Hellstar really think they are so related.
They are in the Taurid (Dinaric+Armenoid) group. It's more based on the high-skulled (high vault) eastern group and the high CI. Dinaric is an offshot of the Caspid group, and thus a brachycephalised Pontic.

It's because of the nasal prominency and breadth-lenght index (or cephalic index) being brachycephalic. The Armenoid nose
is thicker, fleshy, wider and with a depressed tip. It form a "6".

Bertil Lundman
Journal of Near Eastern Studies, Vol. 16, No. 2. (Apr., 1957), pp.
105-117.
--

"The race is known simply as the Armenoid, the litoroid form of which is nothing but the product of a mixture with principally the
Mediterranean race."

"Between 2000 and 1200 BC successive waves of these intelligent, determined Armenoid tribes spread along the shores of the Mediterranean, seeking and trading in metals and mingling with other races in the process. Throught the Straits of Gibraltar a number of them continued to southeastern Spain with its wealth of copper, tin, silver, lead, and other metals. Here a secondary center arose from which the quest continued northwards to southern Ireland, where gold used to abound, and possibly to Cornwall with its tin resources (which according to modern research were not fully exploited until a later date, however) and through the straits of Dover to the amber beds of the western shores of Friesland and Jutland. Like the Spanish Conquistadores in America in the sixteenth century, rumors of these riches probably led them on, for mining on a modest scale is probably older than this migratory wave, at least in Spain. At some of the more important points for mining or maritime trade colonies were probably established, and it is the inhabitants of many of these whose physical characteristics have survived up to the present day in spite of racial mixture and changes in language, religion, and culture."





Originally posted by Vanessa
Yeah, Stalin had a big head and he's from Georgia haha.

Well Hellstar had that post about how dinarics are related to Armenoids. I should have my grandfather classified I am quite curious now. His face was more narrow and longer than that guys though, that is the main difference.

Allenson
Wednesday, February 26th, 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Vanessa
I think there is somewhat of a "Slavic" look (I stress somewhat). You can call me crazy, I don't care :D I have seen many people and thought that hey "they look Russian" or "they look Serbian" and I have been right. Maybe it's just intuition, but either way it happens.

I have also seen Slavic men that look like him...big and tall ("heavy" looking), with prominent and defined features. Slavs often have prominent noses. This "Slavic look" is probably from a personal observation of what Slavs you have seen look like. But strangely in conversations I have had about the "Slavic look" everyone seems to say the same things :eek: I think when people stay to a defined region, even though there are different subraces that they can develop there own look from that.


Hello Vanessa,

While I firmly agree with Volksdeutsche that we cannot confuse race with linguistic or ethnic or national affiliation.....I know exactly what you are talking about. Before I learned anything about Phys-Anth, I had two notions of a 'Slavic' look in my mind: one is what I am now aware of as the neo-Danubian (Polish, Ukranian & Russian 'Slavic' look) and the Dinaric (south 'Slavic' look). Of course, not all south Slavs are Dinarics and not all Poles, Russians or Ukranians are Danubians.....but they are common racial types in these lands....hence the association.

GreenHeart
Saturday, March 1st, 2003, 01:28 AM
Oh you better believe there is a slavic look, and there is also slavic characteristic blood genes which are totally opposite of the rest of europe's blood genes, eastern Europe (slavic lands) are also high skulled while western europe is low-skulled. See Lundman's article.

1. A blood type q-gene low, low- (and mostly also long-) skulled, rather tall, and blond "Germanic" northwestern quadrant;
2. A likewise blood type q-gene low, and low-skulled (with the exception of southern Spain), but shorter-statured, and dark "Romanic" southwestern quadrant (still with very variable breadth-length relation of the head);
3. A high-skulled and rather dark Balkan southeastern quadrant (with very variable stature and breadth-length index of the head), and blood type q-gene mostly a little above the European mean;
4. A blood type q-gene high and also high-skulled "SlavoFinnic" quadrant, with variable pigmentation and stature, and mostly only a lesser degree of round-headedness.

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/lundman-races.htm

Northern Paladin
Friday, August 13th, 2010, 11:15 PM
Michael Madsen sure is an interesting fellow, he does look very Irish, but on Wikipedia it says he's actually part Amerindian.

can anybody see the Amerindian in him?

Fyrgenholt
Friday, August 13th, 2010, 11:24 PM
can anybody see the Amerindian in him?

Personally, I don't see it. I can't tell whether he has dark skin or whether he tans well, wears make up or has alot of pictures under strange lighting, though. In the picture posted in the original post of this thread, his nose and lips look a little unusual, but I don't really see that in any other picture of his at all, not of the ones I've seen anyway.