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Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:06 AM
Is is just me or are there any other "racialists" of middle-eastern origin fed up to the back teath of people claiming that Arab's and other middle-eastern types
turks/kurds/syrians/iranians as non white/non medd' etc etc.Now no sane person would classifiy ME's as Nordics or slavs or even european! BUT to deny that a large proportion of the middle eastern world are "white" and by this I mean light skinned and caucasoid in skelatal structure is pure nonsense! I think the problem stems from nordicist's with thier fetish for germanic ubermen and southern euro-types with a sneaking suspicion they or one of there family members could pass for M.E! Im sick to the back teeth of hearing aobut the supposed "black blood" of the arabs! where is the evidence? and please dont show me some pictures of some sort of mogrel egyptian mix who is probably fully aware he has a sub-sharan grandfather! im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!

Euclides
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 04:13 AM
Is is just me or are there any other "racialists" of middle-eastern origin fed up to the back teath of people claiming that Arab's and other middle-eastern types
turks/kurds/syrians/iranians as non white/non medd' etc etc.Now no sane person would classifiy ME's as Nordics or slavs or even european! BUT to deny that a large proportion of the middle eastern world are "white" and by this I mean light skinned and caucasoid in skelatal structure is pure nonsense! I think the problem stems from nordicist's with thier fetish for germanic ubermen and southern euro-types with a sneaking suspicion they or one of there family members could pass for M.E! Im sick to the back teeth of hearing aobut the supposed "black blood" of the arabs! where is the evidence? and please dont show me some pictures of some sort of mogrel egyptian mix who is probably fully aware he has a sub-sharan grandfather! im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!



The ancient negroid and veddoid presence in Arabian Peninsula is well knowed. Arabians also had recently African Negroes as Slaves.

Euclides
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 04:20 AM
''The writer, explorer-anthropologist and photographer Carleton S. Coon (1904-1981) in the 1950s has photographed the and published the following pictures of two men from the Yemen. showing some Negritoid, resp. Veddoid physical traits''

Euclides
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 04:30 AM
im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!


Dobermanns are usually Dark... ;)

SouthernBoy
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 06:00 AM
I believe that Arabs contain a large proportion of Negroid blood. As has been already mentioned Negritoid and Veddoid are not uncommon in the Arab Penninsula, and although a population may retain somewhat homogeny it should be recognized that the two groups are still somewhat related. British-Italian + Syrian? Sounds like race-mxing to me.

Siegfried
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 08:02 AM
I do not equate White with depigmented Europoid/Caucasoid. If you do, then there are indeed 'Whites' in the Middle East, Afghanistan, etc. I'm actually quite disturbed that the pro-White movement is slowly being infiltrated by people who want to draw Iranians, Kurds, etc into our bioculture. This is race materialism of the worst kind. I'm very well willing to cooperate with Middle-Easterners, but they have no place in Europe, let alone the Germanic world.

Evolved
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 09:57 AM
The only 'white' Middle Easterners I have seen are some people from Lebanon and Palestine, Bashar al-Assad and the very odd redhaired Iraqi leader. There is a tendency to see all brownish skinned people as "mongrels" which is false. Middle Easterners don't have brownish skin from being mixed with blacks, etc. They need melanin as a defense against the desert sun so it is quite natural for them to be brownish-very dark. Another fallacy is to say any Caucasoid person who has non-Europid features is "mixed," as if Arabs were once exactly like Europeans.

People often talk about Arabs (who inhabit a vast region across 2 continents) as if there are no regional differences in how they look, speak, and behave.

Vlad Cletus
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 10:39 AM
im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!

First of all Albanians are considered to be of completely different racial-types than peoples of the Middle-East (Orientalid, Irano-Afghan, other types etc.)

But from what ethnicities you specify here, as far as I know, It's likely that you're pure Caucasoid. I'm not too sure about the Kurdish part. But, afterall, foreign admixure can present itself within certain regions of the Middle Eastern World. Migrations have occured all across Asia-Minor, Middle East, Central Asia etc. Much intermingling has manifested over the millenia.

Unfortunately, in Egypt you see many Sub-Saharan Africans running around, but I think the major influence would be mainly on the Southern Racial Borders.

Oskorei
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 11:18 AM
Is is just me or are there any other "racialists" of middle-eastern origin fed up to the back teath of people claiming that Arab's and other middle-eastern types
turks/kurds/syrians/iranians as non white/non medd' etc etc.Now no sane person would classifiy ME's as Nordics or slavs or even european! BUT to deny that a large proportion of the middle eastern world are "white" and by this I mean light skinned and caucasoid in skelatal structure is pure nonsense! I think the problem stems from nordicist's with thier fetish for germanic ubermen and southern euro-types with a sneaking suspicion they or one of there family members could pass for M.E! Im sick to the back teeth of hearing aobut the supposed "black blood" of the arabs! where is the evidence? and please dont show me some pictures of some sort of mogrel egyptian mix who is probably fully aware he has a sub-sharan grandfather! im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!
To justly classify you, some pictures would be necessary.

Anyway, when someone with as strong European heritage as yourself shows interest in the future of our race and culture (especially in this early stage of the struggle), I consider you Aryan. You probably, to quote the Italian Fascist Julius Evola, have an "Aryan soul".

Apart from that, the acceptance of various "white" groups is very much about politics. Even though Lebanese, Albanians or Spaniards, just to take some examples, are white, in larger numbers they will nonetheless alter the genotype and phenotype of my homeland and should not be allowed to live here except in limited numbers.

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 01:53 PM
''The writer, explorer-anthropologist and photographer Carleton S. Coon (1904-1981) in the 1950s has photographed the and published the following pictures of two men from the Yemen. showing some Negritoid, resp. Veddoid physical traits''
This type of "arab" is very very very rare,In fact I would support the assertion
that this so called "arab" is an obvious mullatoe cross.The arabs have indeed kept black slaves but to imply that they mixed there blood with them to a large extent is a fallacy! In fact a true saudi type arab will be able to recount his lineage back hundreds of years.The arabs to a large extent are a very proud and racist people the idea of having black blood or mixing with thier slaves is a disgrace and in fact in the middle east itself if you have black ancestry it will be duly noted by your neighbours and kinsmen and the term aswad will be used to describe your relatives so john the son of.............the black.........etc etc would be used to describe someone who has even a drop of black blood.As for the bin laden pick I venture the assertion that if you let a greek or a dark SE type grow a ragged old beard wear a tea towl on your head and expouse yourself to the sun you too wouldent look very "aryan" beside im not aware of bin-ladens family tree he could indeed have a black grandfather? that doesent meen all arabs are somehow negroid admixtures!
my point is thus..........

1.)Some arabs are dark this doesent imply negroid genes,
2.)The term arab is used to define ANYONE who speaks arabic and shares the common culture I.E the sudanese altough the whole arab world would call them culturaly "arabs" they would also add' racially they most definately are NOT!
3.)Becuase there are/have been negros in the ME' does not imply a large or even small amount of admixture.America being a recent example.

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 02:00 PM
To justly classify you, some pictures would be necessary.

I only have 1 online im afraid! which makes me look like a lebanese groccer!:D altough I am working on getting some scanned not just of me but of my family :)

Anyway, when someone with as strong European heritage as yourself shows interest in the future of our race and culture (especially in this early stage of the struggle), I consider you Aryan. You probably, to quote the Italian Fascist Julius Evola, have an "Aryan soul".

Ahhh the noble Baron,the primacy of the race of the spirit over the race of the blood ;)

RE:Apart from that, the acceptance of various "white" groups is very much about politics. Even though Lebanese, Albanians or Spaniards, just to take some examples, are white, in larger numbers they will nonetheless alter the genotype and phenotype of my homeland and should not be allowed to live here except in limited numbers.
I couldent agree more :D

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 02:06 PM
First of all Albanians are considered to be of completely different racial-types than peoples of the Middle-East (Orientalid, Irano-Afghan, other types etc.)

But from what ethnicities you specify here, as far as I know, It's likely that you're pure Caucasoid. I'm not too sure about the Kurdish part. But, afterall, foreign admixure can present itself within certain regions of the Middle Eastern World. Migrations have occured all across Asia-Minor, Middle East, Central Asia etc. Much intermingling has manifested over the millenia.

Unfortunately, in Egypt you see many Sub-Saharan Africans running around, but I think the major influence would be mainly on the Southern Racial Borders.
Hi Vlad,

Egyptian's I will concede DO have an amount of black blood BUT if you ask an Egyptian this he will probably agree,Tunisa it's neigbour is another matter I went there recently and was shocked at the amount of light eyes and pale skin.In fact I thought I was in syria!

The Kurd's are an Indo-european speaking people who thousand's of years ago left central Iran and swept down into the near east.there are as "white" if not more so than any lebenese

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 02:08 PM
The only 'white' Middle Easterners I have seen are some people from Lebanon and Palestine, Bashar al-Assad and the very odd redhaired Iraqi leader. There is a tendency to see all brownish skinned people as "mongrels" which is false. Middle Easterners don't have brownish skin from being mixed with blacks, etc. They need melanin as a defense against the desert sun so it is quite natural for them to be brownish-very dark. Another fallacy is to say any Caucasoid person who has non-Europid features is "mixed," as if Arabs were once exactly like Europeans.

People often talk about Arabs (who inhabit a vast region across 2 continents) as if there are no regional differences in how they look, speak, and behave.
Thank you IG!!!! you couldent be more right!!!!!! :D :D :D

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Dobermanns are usually Dark... ;)
Wrong again Euclides! there are WHITE dobermans as well ;)


http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/whitedoby/

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 02:19 PM
I do not equate White with depigmented Europoid/Caucasoid. If you do, then there are indeed 'Whites' in the Middle East, Afghanistan, etc. I'm actually quite disturbed that the pro-White movement is slowly being infiltrated by people who want to draw Iranians, Kurds, etc into our bioculture. This is race materialism of the worst kind. I'm very well willing to cooperate with Middle-Easterners, but they have no place in Europe, let alone the Germanic world.
Siegfried Augustus if you want to split hairs, then your own ananysis of Race is PURELY biological and materialistic. Julius Evola defined Race in spiritual terms Furthermore, of course, when you say that you do 'not equate White with depigmented Europoid/Caucasoid' you are being unscientific. John Baker - author of 'Race' - would strongly disagree. Skin colour is irrelevant. The fact that you want to define "your own kind" in terms of colour is a PERSONAL choice.However I concede that culturally ME's on mass dont have a place in europe the same way of course that I would view large amounts of spanish types in Norway or vice versa.

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:00 PM
To justly classify you, some pictures would be necessary.

Anyway, when someone with as strong European heritage as yourself shows interest in the future of our race and culture (especially in this early stage of the struggle), I consider you Aryan. You probably, to quote the Italian Fascist Julius Evola, have an "Aryan soul".

Apart from that, the acceptance of various "white" groups is very much about politics. Even though Lebanese, Albanians or Spaniards, just to take some examples, are white, in larger numbers they will nonetheless alter the genotype and phenotype of my homeland and should not be allowed to live here except in limited numbers.Oskorei

Here are some pics just for you! ;) that I managed to find of some blood relations of mine,uncle aunty ,Cousin Now I wouldent for a moment claim that my ME's family are nordics! lol but as you can c they are not negro's!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/Uncle.bmp


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/aunty.bmp


Just found an old pic of my brother online aswell it's very dark though his hair is medium.light brown and he has green/hazel eyes which you cant c in this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/Dan.bmp

Siegfried
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:16 PM
Siegfried Augustus if you want to split hairs, then your own ananysis of Race is PURELY biological and materialistic.

Race is biological. I, however, do not define White along entirely biological/physiological lines; I define it as 'of Germanic or kindred European heritage'. As such, it is an ethnoracial concept and not entirely based on cranial index and other biological features.



Julius Evola defined Race in spiritual terms

Evola defined race threefold; a race of the body, a race of the soul, and a race of the spirit.



Furthermore, of course, when you say that you do 'not equate White with depigmented Europoid/Caucasoid' you are being unscientific. John Baker - author of 'Race' - would strongly disagree. Skin colour is irrelevant.

This is incoherent. At first you say it is unscientific not to define White as depigmented Europoid and claim that Baker would disagree with that (thus effectively saying Baker would use colour as a determinant of race). Then you claim skin colour is irrelevant.



The fact that you want to define "your own kind" in terms of colour is a PERSONAL choice.

I do not define my own kind in terms of colour. I also do not define them in terms of cranial index etc, as you appear to desire (how else are you going to defend the notion of 'White' Middle-Easterners when you've already attacked the notion that skin colour is relevant?).



However I concede that culturally ME's on mass dont have a place in europe the same way of course that I would view large amounts of spanish types in Norway or vice versa.

I broadly agree, but a Spaniard would be much easier to integrate in Norway than a Middle-Easterner.

Siegfried
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:21 PM
BUT to deny that a large proportion of the middle eastern world are "white" and by this I mean light skinned and caucasoid in skelatal structure is pure nonsense!

This is in your first post. Can you please explain to me why you first use skin colour as a core part of your definition of White and a few hours later attack the notion that skin colour has any relevance?

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:34 PM
This is in your first post. Can you please explain to me why you first use skin colour as a core part of your definition of White and a few hours later attack the notion that skin colour has any relevance?I should clarifiy my position more clearly I dont say it has NO relevance but I claim that it cant be taken on it's own.skeletal structure must come first other wise albino negro's would be "white".

Siegfried
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:42 PM
skeletal structure must come first other wise albino negro's would be "white".

Of course. Pigmentation alone is not a reliable determinant of race.

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 03:47 PM
Of course. Pigmentation alone is not a reliable determinant of race.
Agreed and it is what I should have said in the first place.

Jack
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 07:23 PM
I fail to see the importance in this thread. Arabs/Middle Easterners do not need to have Nergoid admixture to be considered the enemy.

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 07:25 PM
I fail to see the importance in this thread. Arabs/Middle Easterners do not need to have Nergoid admixture to be considered the enemy.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (:o

Aistulf
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 09:21 PM
Here are some pictures of typical Moroccans, Northern-Africans (very literally to me!)


http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto9.jpg

http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto10.jpg

http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto29.jpg

Bluterbe
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 12:19 AM
I think that the old semitics were an europid people, but in the south of the arabian pennensula they mixed with negros and veddoids.
Later the jews and the arabs came to the north to the white semitic people like aramaers, assyriers, etc. and mixed with them.
Many Libanonians, palastinians, syrians, etc. are white, but many are mixed...

Northern Paladin
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Is is just me or are there any other "racialists" of middle-eastern origin fed up to the back teath of people claiming that Arab's and other middle-eastern types
turks/kurds/syrians/iranians as non white/non medd' etc etc.Now no sane person would classifiy ME's as Nordics or slavs or even european! BUT to deny that a large proportion of the middle eastern world are "white" and by this I mean light skinned and caucasoid in skelatal structure is pure nonsense! I think the problem stems from nordicist's with thier fetish for germanic ubermen and southern euro-types with a sneaking suspicion they or one of there family members could pass for M.E! Im sick to the back teeth of hearing aobut the supposed "black blood" of the arabs! where is the evidence? and please dont show me some pictures of some sort of mogrel egyptian mix who is probably fully aware he has a sub-sharan grandfather! im half european british/italian andhalf syrian myself of a /kurdish/turkish/albanian/arab mix and i have no NON white family on ether side!

Hate to break it to you but Arabs are never going to be considered White. :|
White wouldn't be an appropriate adjective to describe Swarthy hooked nosed Middel Eastern types. Obviously you are ignorant about the racial situation in the Middle East or simply refuse to see the truth.

Since when did Middle Easterns suddenly become "light skinned"? Since when does being Caucasoid equate to being White. Why do you want people to consider Middle Easterns white anyways? Can't you be proud enough of your own heritage to accept it for what it is?

Aistulf
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 01:39 AM
I think that the old semitics were an europid peopleDon't you mean Berbers? If so, yes. But indeed the old, like the old Iranians/Persians :P



but in the south of the arabian pennensula they mixed with negros and veddoids.
Not just in the south, also in the Maghreb region, Morocco, Algeria, Libya etc., the most northern part of the Arab world.


http://www.fao.org/ag/AGA/AGAH/ID/Radiscon/Images/RMAP.GIF




Later the jews and the arabs came to the north to the white semitic people like aramaers, assyriers, etc. and mixed with them."White semitic people"? Those groups, that you just mentioned, are believed to not have been semites at all.



Many Libanonians, palastinians, syrians, etc. are white, but many are mixed...I hope you're kidding... Unless you consider jews white aswell? :roll

AngryPotato
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 04:44 AM
You are not white. You are the one with the identity crisis.

If this gets moved to free speech I'll continue.

:trashcan

Jack
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 04:52 AM
... I dont see a mass of swedes willing to die as martyrs in defense of thier homeland and people against the jewish enenmy No the reverse is the case Sweden seems to have the Bigeest amount of nigger loving liberla slags in the whole of europe!

Arabs barely have a sense of racial identity. Overwhelmingly, being a Muslim counts more than being an Arab. The Arabs and Islam have been threats to the existence of Europe and nothing seems to change. Your people will never be considered white. You will never be accepted as part of us. Forget it.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 04:58 AM
Arabs and not Negroes. They are not half-Negro or part Negro. The only exception to this is, obviously, if they have mixed with Negroes. Sometimes this happens, as has been pointed out, due to slavery or for other reasons. I do not think Osama, Saddam or King Abdallah are Negroes, but Arabs.

So what are Arabs? Arabs are Whites in that they are not Africans and not Mongoloids. But Arabs are not Europeans. They are Semites, like Jews. Some might be Southern Meds. but some seem to be larger and more like the first sapiens people in Iraq.

Aistulf
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 10:18 AM
Arabs and not Negroes. They are not half-Negro or part Negro. The only exception to this is, obviously, if they have mixed with Negroes. Sometimes this happens, as has been pointed out, due to slavery or for other reasons. I do not think Osama, Saddam or King Abdallah are Negroes, but Arabs.Nobody ever said that. But Arabs, generally, sure as hell have a lot of negroid admixture. Which, of course, brings them closer to negroes.

Here are more pictures, if you aren't convinced yet. Mostly Moroccan immigrants from the Netherlands:


http://www.pvda.be/images/Solidair/sol1401/p22arbeiders_bw.jpg


http://krant.telegraaf.nl/krant/archief/20011212/fotos/bui.index-150x150.buimoussaoui.jpg


http://www.wanadoo.ma/wanadoo3/fr/infos_loisirs/sports/images/tunisie-capitaine-100.jpg


http://www.colorit.nl/fotos/thumbs/mohamed.gif


http://www.ronhaleber.nl/index_bestanden/mandjra.jpg




So what are Arabs? Arabs are Whites in that they are not Africans and not Mongoloids. But Arabs are not Europeans. They are Semites, like Jews. Some might be Southern Meds. but some seem to be larger and more like the first sapiens people in Iraq.I'm starting to doubt your academic title... :eyes

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 10:29 AM
Nobody ever said that. But Arabs, generally, sure as hell have a lot of negroid admixture. Which, of course, brings them closer to negroes.

Here are more pictures, if you aren't convinced yet. Mostly Moroccan immigrants from the Netherlands:


http://www.pvda.be/images/Solidair/sol1401/p22arbeiders_bw.jpg


http://krant.telegraaf.nl/krant/archief/20011212/fotos/bui.index-150x150.buimoussaoui.jpg


http://www.wanadoo.ma/wanadoo3/fr/infos_loisirs/sports/images/tunisie-capitaine-100.jpg


http://www.colorit.nl/fotos/thumbs/mohamed.gif


http://www.ronhaleber.nl/index_bestanden/mandjra.jpg



I'm starting to doubt your academic title... :eyes

I am starting to doubt your familiarity with Negroes.

Aistulf
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 10:42 AM
I am starting to doubt your familiarity with Negroes.:roll

Evolved
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 11:17 AM
Arabs barely have a sense of racial identity. Overwhelmingly, being a Muslim counts more than being an Arab. The Arabs and Islam have been threats to the existence of Europe and nothing seems to change. Your people will never be considered white. You will never be accepted as part of us. Forget it.

In the Middle East racialism / nationalism & Islam frequently mix. I don't think this guy wants to be seen as European. He wants us to acknowledge that Middle Easterners are not all "mongrels," and some of them are or would be considered "white." If that is indeed what he means, I would have to agree.

Siegfried
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 11:28 AM
Moroccans aren't really Arabs. :) Correct me if I'm wrong but wouldn't an Arabid look something like this:

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4534

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4535

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4536

Frans_Jozef
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 12:08 PM
The Magrebid type came into existence by waves of Capellids and Arabids absorbing the local population, including what might have been remnants or diluted strains of Khoisanids(note the eye form of that man in the last row); the longitudinal face shape, the convex nose, albeit less prominent are from the Near East, the fleshier and sturdier build a local contribution.

Skyht
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 01:30 PM
Man it like nobody here know what Semites are...



Arabs just like Jews are Semites.



So what are Semites ? They are White, but they mainly have black hear and are small. They are no Aryans but still white.



Arabs mixed with the old Indians in the Middle East as first and became darker then they also mixed a little with Negroid, but that was not enough to make them Negroid, they are still white Semites. Arabs were in fact only one of many Semitic tribes in the Middle East, they only won so most Semites are known as Arabs today.



The Semites then had to do with Iranian and Greek tribes so it happened that they "became whiter" some with Aryan characteristics.



So IMO Arabs are mainly white Semites but not Aryan, thatís why being white or the word white is nonsense.

Siegfried
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 02:04 PM
I suggest we stop bickering about whether or not they are White, especially if we cannot come to a common definition of 'White'. Let's focus on the genetic and physical characteristics of the Arabs instead and try to discern whether or not they are within Caucasoid range and whether or not there is significant Negroid admixture in their genepool.

Oskorei
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 02:19 PM
Oskorei

Here are some pics just for you! ;) that I managed to find of some blood relations of mine,uncle aunty ,Cousin Now I wouldent for a moment claim that my ME's family are nordics! lol but as you can c they are not negro's!!!


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/Uncle.bmp


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/aunty.bmp


Just found an old pic of my brother online aswell it's very dark though his hair is medium.light brown and he has green/hazel eyes which you cant c in this picture.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/Dan.bmp
Thanks, they are obviously not even slightly negroid, even though racial classification is not my expert field, I would say that they look more Med and wouldnt be out of place in Italy or Spain. I'd guess that your Syrian heritage is strong? (I've occasionally encountered very "white" people from Lebanon and Syria, but not from Kurdistan)

BTW, I was going to give you reputation for the white dobermann post, but for some reason I am unable. I find this breed to be the most Aryan dog of all breeds (my family has been into that breed for more than 30 years), and your interest in that race definitely makes you Aryan in my book :D

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 02:37 PM
Thanks, they are obviously not even slightly negroid, even though racial classification is not my expert field, I would say that they look more Med and wouldnt be out of place in Italy or Spain. I'd guess that your Syrian heritage is strong? (I've occasionally encountered very "white" people from Lebanon and Syria, but not from Kurdistan)

BTW, I was going to give you reputation for the white dobermann post, but for some reason I am unable. I find this breed to be the most Aryan dog of all breeds (my family has been into that breed for more than 30 years), and your interest in that race definitely makes you Aryan in my book :D
Hi Oskorej

Thank's for that! that was my point all along that most "arabs" are a white non negroid race.Weather some of them are europeans left behind in asia is another matter.Glad to hear theres a fellow doberman owner out there :D Do your family show/and or breed then? I only have one dobie at the moment a male of 6 year's.Altough if I had money/space I would have keenels full of the little furry git's ;)

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 05:22 PM
Here are some pictures of typical Moroccans, Northern-Africans (very literally to me!)




http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto9.jpg


http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto10.jpg

http://www.shoufshoufhabibi.nl/images/setfoto/foto29.jpg

Call me biased but I cant see negro blood in these pictures? they look like non negroid north africans!

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 05:28 PM
Hate to break it to you but Arabs are never going to be considered White. :|
White wouldn't be an appropriate adjective to describe Swarthy hooked nosed Middel Eastern types. Obviously you are ignorant about the racial situation in the Middle East or simply refuse to see the truth.

Since when did Middle Easterns suddenly become "light skinned"? Since when does being Caucasoid equate to being White. Why do you want people to consider Middle Easterns white anyways? Can't you be proud enough of your own heritage to accept it for what it is?Have you been to the middle east? have you even meet many people of ME extraction? have you even read my post? No one said all caucasoids are white or even that ALL arabs are white,most are depending on region some arent simple! what they are not is NEGROID-MIXES!!!!!! and please dont patronise me with what my heritage is and for your infomation im over half-european and very proud to be part ME' as well.It's the fact i am PROUD of my heritage that im defending it from ignorant and i'll informed people as to what the arab and or middle-eastern peoples are.

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 06:40 PM
Various pictures of non north african Arabs none that I can see who look negroid in the slightest?

http://www.zeryab.com/e/Arabs_Gallery.htm

An Iraq'i

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/IQBOR006BW.htm

Syrian

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/SYCST016.htm


http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/SYDAM042.htm

Yemini (These are the 100% pure Arabs) that the syrians,palestinians,lebenese etc etc have mixed with to form there own distinct look.(Please note skin coulour can not be taken litteraly from these people as they spend all day in the burning heat,To view a yemini's or Saudi's true coulour you would have to examine an unexposed part of the body)

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/YEMAR005.htm

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/YEIBB018.htm

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/YEIBB009.htm

http://www.peterlanger.com/People/Middleeasterners/pages/YEIBB013.htm

Aistulf
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 08:45 PM
From Dobermann's profile:

Subrace:
MediterranidHe's lying about his ethnicity and he's trying to indoctrinate people here. Why is this semite allowed to post outside the Free Speech forum?! :cuss

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 09:48 PM
In the Middle East racialism / nationalism & Islam frequently mix. I don't think this guy wants to be seen as European. He wants us to acknowledge that Middle Easterners are not all "mongrels," and some of them are or would be considered "white." If that is indeed what he means, I would have to agree.
Thank you Lg that is exactly what im saying.

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 09:51 PM
I suggest we stop bickering about whether or not they are White, especially if we cannot come to a common definition of 'White'. Let's focus on the genetic and physical characteristics of the Arabs instead and try to discern whether or not they are within Caucasoid range and whether or not there is significant Negroid admixture in their genepool.
Good idea.

Dobermann
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 10:01 PM
From Dobermann's profile:
He's lying about his ethnicity and he's trying to indoctrinate people here. Why is this semite allowed to post outside the Free Speech forum?! :cuss
Whether you like it or not scientifically arab's are caucasians of the Mediterranean race.

http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/texts/coonmed/

BTW my nona(grandmother in Italian) is from trieste in northen Italy so I think medd' is an apt discription for myself.

Mac Seafraidh
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 06:46 AM
If this post is supposed to make Arabs look good it really does not because my reply is they look just like the Jude,their Semite counterpart. So, how can they not have Negroid admixture if they are indeed a Shylock type?

goidelicwarrior
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 10:41 AM
To justly classify you, some pictures would be necessary.

Anyway, when someone with as strong European heritage as yourself shows interest in the future of our race and culture (especially in this early stage of the struggle), I consider you Aryan. You probably, to quote the Italian Fascist Julius Evola, have an "Aryan soul".

Apart from that, the acceptance of various "white" groups is very much about politics. Even though Lebanese, Albanians or Spaniards, just to take some examples, are white, in larger numbers they will nonetheless alter the genotype and phenotype of my homeland and should not be allowed to live here except in limited numbers. ignorant mistake to compare lebenese and Spaniards...these two groups have nothing incommon mentally, historically and for the most part racially...

Oskorei
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 10:58 AM
ignorant mistake to compare lebenese and Spaniards...these two groups have nothing incommon mentally, historically and for the most part racially...
Read my post again. I didnt say what you imply, I said that even though all these groups are white, they would alter the genotype and phenotype of Sweden if allowed to live here in larger numbers. Racially they have sub-racial "non-swedishness" in common.

goidelicwarrior
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 11:26 AM
Read my post again. I didnt say what you imply, I said that even though all these groups are white, they would alter the genotype and phenotype of Sweden if allowed to live here in larger numbers. Racially they have sub-racial "non-swedishness" in common. the Spaniards are of different subraces.. check out these faces.. it shows what I mean.. and my favoritepic.. :D

goidelicwarrior
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 02:06 PM
Call me biased but I cant see negro blood in these pictures? they look like non negroid north africans! none of these even closely resemples European meds.. semitic trash.... its the ones we spent 800 years to expell.. no thanx!!!!!!!!!

Gareth
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 03:00 PM
Call me biased but I cant see negro blood in these pictures? they look like non negroid north africans! First of all, they look homosexual like plaque (in the last pic).

goidelicwarrior
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 03:19 PM
First of all, they look homosexual like plaque (in the last pic). sodomi is an " arab " thing.. ever heard of gang rape and sodomi in tne west before these parasites immigrated..??? :(

Dobermann
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 03:28 PM
First of all, they look homosexual like plaque (in the last pic).
It would seem that what started off as an intresting debate has degenerated into
childish insecure name calling.If people dont agree then argue your case.Some of you claim to be Aryan's(noble people)! then act like one.

Aistulf
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 03:39 PM
First of all, they look homosexual like plaque (in the last pic).They are very homosexual, actually. They officially hate homosexuals, but they are themselves. I was last sitting in the train on my way home and there were four Moroccans sitting next to me, they were constantly touching eachother.

Here in the Netherlands, a Moroccan author once said: "For muslims there exists no homosexuality, only sexuality."

Sexual intercourse among men is very common in islamic countries.

ohhproperbo
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 05:08 PM
i had to sign up just to post this, arabs do have a massive sense of racial identity : read this http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1302718,00.html


'To have Negroes occupying us is a particular humiliation,' Abu Mujahed said, echoing the profound racism prevalent in much of the Middle East. 'Sometimes we aborted a mission because there were no Negroes.'

Northern Paladin
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 09:35 PM
Have you been to the middle east? have you even meet many people of ME extraction? have you even read my post? No one said all caucasoids are white or even that ALL arabs are white,most are depending on region some arent simple! what they are not is NEGROID-MIXES!!!!!! and please dont patronise me with what my heritage is and for your infomation im over half-european and very proud to be part ME' as well.It's the fact i am PROUD of my heritage that im defending it from ignorant and i'll informed people as to what the arab and or middle-eastern peoples are.

I haven't been to the Middle East but I have seen enough Middle Eastern people to know there not White. Middle Easterners are different enough so that they can be easily distinguished from Europeans hence they are not White. If White was used to describe ME'S/Arabs it simply lose it's meaning.

Tribunale Dei Minore
Monday, October 11th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Arabs are mainly caucasoid. 'Hook nosed' and 'hairy' are extremely caucaoid traits that make them more caucasoid than most of the self-proclaimed "whites".
You could find pale-pinkish albino negro or mongoloid but never hook nosed or very hairy.
On the other hand they are dark, had thicker lips but more likely these features are result of environmental adaptation to the hot climate.(keep in mind they had lived there for thousands of years).
Non-caucasoid admixture is insignificant if exist. The hypothetical 'negro slaves' are small in number (geographical and economical reasons) and scarcely were allowed to mate with their masters and influence their genotype.
Arabs don't have business in Europe nontheless.
But the heroism of palestinian teenagers could barely be surpassed by nazi baby-killers, however, btw.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 12:35 AM
ViolentOxygen, how do "extremely Caucasoid traits" prove that the common is Arab is less Negroid than ths common Swede? It's simple geography, not the personal attacks you think we are making on Arabs.

Mac Seafraidh
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 06:01 AM
http://www.jihadwatch.org/ (The sister Semites) The Jihad is nor less than or greater to The ZOG, but equal to. I have made my point, my fellow European-Americans(Europeans,Europeans abroad as well)

Aistulf
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 09:53 AM
Arabs are mainly caucasoid. 'Hook nosed' and 'hairy' are extremely caucaoid traits that make them more caucasoid than most of the self-proclaimed "whites".
You could find pale-pinkish albino negro or mongoloid but never hook nosed or very hairy.
On the other hand they are dark, had thicker lips but more likely these features are result of environmental adaptation to the hot climate.(keep in mind they had lived there for thousands of years).
Non-caucasoid admixture is insignificant if exist. The hypothetical 'negro slaves' are small in number (geographical and economical reasons) and scarcely were allowed to mate with their masters and influence their genotype.
Arabs don't have business in Europe nontheless.
But the heroism of palestinian teenagers could barely be surpassed by nazi baby-killers, however, btw.If you would've posted that, instead of the other nonsense, then it would have been a perfect post :P

Euclides
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 08:14 AM
Extensive Female-Mediated Gene Flow from Sub-Saharan Africa into Near Eastern Arab Populations

Author: Martin Richards, Chiara Rengo, Fulvio Cruciani, Fi
Filed: 3/29/2003, 1:01:11 PM
Source: AMHJ
Abstract

We have analyzed and compared mitochondrial DNA variation of populations from the Near East and Africa and found a very high frequency of African lineages present in the Yemen Hadramawt: more than a third were of clear sub-Saharan origin. Other Arab populations carried 10% lineages of sub-Saharan origin, whereas non-Arab Near Eastern populations, by contrast, carried few or no such lineages, suggesting that gene flow has been preferentially into Arab populations. Several lines of evidence suggest that most of this gene flow probably occurred within the past 2,500 years. In contrast, there is little evidence for male-mediated gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa in Y-chromosome haplotypes in Arab populations, including the Hadramawt. Taken together, these results are consistent with substantial migration from eastern Africa into Arabia, at least in part as a result of the Arab slave trade, and mainly female assimilation into the Arabian population as a result of miscegenation and manumission.

Am. J. Hum. Genet., 72:1058-1064, 2003

Dobermann
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 03:10 PM
Extensive Female-Mediated Gene Flow from Sub-Saharan Africa into Near Eastern Arab Populations

Author: Martin Richards, Chiara Rengo, Fulvio Cruciani, Fi
Filed: 3/29/2003, 1:01:11 PM
Source: AMHJ
Abstract

We have analyzed and compared mitochondrial DNA variation of populations from the Near East and Africa and found a very high frequency of African lineages present in the Yemen Hadramawt: more than a third were of clear sub-Saharan origin. Other Arab populations carried 10% lineages of sub-Saharan origin, whereas non-Arab Near Eastern populations, by contrast, carried few or no such lineages, suggesting that gene flow has been preferentially into Arab populations. Several lines of evidence suggest that most of this gene flow probably occurred within the past 2,500 years. In contrast, there is little evidence for male-mediated gene flow from sub-Saharan Africa in Y-chromosome haplotypes in Arab populations, including the Hadramawt. Taken together, these results are consistent with substantial migration from eastern Africa into Arabia, at least in part as a result of the Arab slave trade, and mainly female assimilation into the Arabian population as a result of miscegenation and manumission.

Am. J. Hum. Genet., 72:1058-1064, 2003


Interesting post! However, can we be sure that this test was done on people in the area who as far as they know don't have Negroid admixture? There are blacks and mullatoes in arabia: that is not in dispute. What is is that the Arab people are somehow ALL or to a large part carry Negroid genes. For example if this type of test was done amongst the population of London we would see the same sort of % of Negroid genes due to mullatoes and Negroes who live in the area. This doesn't of course make the native English some sort of semi-Negroid hybrid.

Euclides
Monday, October 18th, 2004, 04:40 AM
Evidence of the Early Penetration of Negroes into Prehistoric Egypt

Author: Eugen Strouhal

Source: The Journal of African History


The Journal of African History, Vol. 12, No. 1. (1971), pp. 1-9.

"In Nubia, according to the analysis of physical anthropology, the original Europoid (Caucasoid) stock of the population was several times overrun by Negroid waves, flowing from the South. Negroes and Negroids penetrated to Egypt only sporadically, and their frequency, uneven according to time, place and the diagnostical knowledge of the investigator, has been estimated as 1 to 5 per cent. An increase in the number of Negroes was observed only in the New Kingdom, in connexion with the expansion of Egyptian domination to the south. From that time onwards, they were pictured as symbols of the south. The perfect portrayal of their morphological features shows that the Egyptian artists knew them very well."

"By the individual analysis of nasal measurements and indices of the first Badarian series in comparison with the mixed Europoid-Negroid series from Wadi Qitna in Nubia (fourth-fifth century AD), with the Europoid series from Manfalout in Upper Egypt (Ptolemaic period) and with a series of recent Nilotes, I came to the conclusion that the distribution of the Badarian skulls extends from the Europoid to the Negroid range."

"Of the total 117 skulls, 15 were found to be markedly Europoid, 9 of these were of the gracile Mediterranean type, 6 were of very robust structure reminiscent of the North African Cromagnon type. Eight skulls were clearly Negroid... We may conclude that the share of both components was nearly the same, with some overweight to the Europoid side."

"In some of the Badarian crania hair was preserved, thanks to good conditions in the desert sand. In the first series, according to the descriptions of the excavators, they were curly in 6 cases, wavy in 33 cases and straight in 10 cases. They were black in 16 samples, dark brown in 11, brown in 12, light brown in 1 and grey in 11 cases."

Dobermann
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 02:27 AM
Evidence of the Early Penetration of Negroes into Prehistoric Egypt

Author: Eugen Strouhal

Source: The Journal of African History


The Journal of African History, Vol. 12, No. 1. (1971), pp. 1-9.

"In Nubia, according to the analysis of physical anthropology, the original Europoid (Caucasoid) stock of the population was several times overrun by Negroid waves, flowing from the South. Negroes and Negroids penetrated to Egypt only sporadically, and their frequency, uneven according to time, place and the diagnostical knowledge of the investigator, has been estimated as 1 to 5 per cent. An increase in the number of Negroes was observed only in the New Kingdom, in connexion with the expansion of Egyptian domination to the south. From that time onwards, they were pictured as symbols of the south. The perfect portrayal of their morphological features shows that the Egyptian artists knew them very well."

"By the individual analysis of nasal measurements and indices of the first Badarian series in comparison with the mixed Europoid-Negroid series from Wadi Qitna in Nubia (fourth-fifth century AD), with the Europoid series from Manfalout in Upper Egypt (Ptolemaic period) and with a series of recent Nilotes, I came to the conclusion that the distribution of the Badarian skulls extends from the Europoid to the Negroid range."

"Of the total 117 skulls, 15 were found to be markedly Europoid, 9 of these were of the gracile Mediterranean type, 6 were of very robust structure reminiscent of the North African Cromagnon type. Eight skulls were clearly Negroid... We may conclude that the share of both components was nearly the same, with some overweight to the Europoid side."

"In some of the Badarian crania hair was preserved, thanks to good conditions in the desert sand. In the first series, according to the descriptions of the excavators, they were curly in 6 cases, wavy in 33 cases and straight in 10 cases. They were black in 16 samples, dark brown in 11, brown in 12, light brown in 1 and grey in 11 cases."
I dont doubt negroid admixture in Egypt for a second! this is not in dispute what is is Arabia I.E the fertile crescent down to yemen!

See here for a broad selection of Syrian types all non NEGROID :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20022.jpg

gorgeousgal2k2
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 12:57 AM
Why does this thread not surprise me?

By the way Doberman, it's BLACKS, not niggers. To be honest most of Arabs I've met have been incredibly racist and believed that they are the superior race, better than anyone else, and the inventors of civilisation. I guess that sort of theory goes well with what many people here believe, so yeah, I guess you could be accepted as a Nazi :throwup

And yes, a lot of them do look white...

zeno
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 01:57 AM
I dont doubt negroid admixture in Egypt for a second! this is not in dispute what is is Arabia I.E the fertile crescent down to yemen!

See here for a broad selection of Syrian types all non NEGROID :)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20002.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/dobermann121/tezkar20022.jpg


Those photos you posted are of SSNP rallies. The SSNP (Social Nationalist Party) is a very anti-Arab organization trying to liberate Syria/Lebanon from Arab domination and to resuscitate, strengthen and preserve the Phoenician/Hittite/Amorite/Assyrian/Byzantium/Hellenistic bloodlines, culture and heritage in the region. And to guard this ancient cultural and ethnic heritage against the stain and domination of expansionist Arabs and Arabism.

Dobermann
Monday, October 25th, 2004, 05:00 PM
Those photos you posted are of SSNP rallies. The SSNP (Social Nationalist Party) is a very anti-Arab organization trying to liberate Syria/Lebanon from Arab domination and to resuscitate, strengthen and preserve the Phoenician/Hittite/Amorite/Assyrian/Byzantium/Hellenistic bloodlines, culture and heritage in the region. And to guard this ancient cultural and ethnic heritage against the stain and domination of expansionist Arabs and Arabism.
Yes I know,and in fact Iv'e read a lot of there matterial.Sada'a claims the Syrians are an ethnic mosiac of Phoenician/Hittite/Amorite/Assyrian/Arab/kurdish/Armenian he does not claim a "pure" Syrian race or talk of anti-arabism not in an ethnic sense anyway.The Syrians of today are a mixed race of all sorts of diff middle-east peoples.He wants to promote the idea of greater Souria and a brand of Syrian nationalism which would be a couterpart to arabism but not in a ethnic sense.

Getorix
Thursday, January 20th, 2005, 08:51 PM
This thread is quite meaningless as Arabs aren't a racial group, but a culture.

Even Sudanese Nigs are considered Arabs, so don't count on that term.

Orientalid is much better, if you refer to people of the southern Arabian Penninsula and Orientalids, just like with any other groups, are not mulattos by default. But there are of course a great lot of Yemenite and Saudi groups with ancient, if not recent admixture.

And Levantines, such as Lebanese and Syrians sure as hell aren't mulattos either, hardly even Orientalids.