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Rurik
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 03:03 AM
Does anyone here have any resources relating to sub-racial classification of non-whites (particularly East Asians/Mongoloids)? Thanks.

thenewbigthing
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 03:09 AM
What about Indians?

The ones in India with thin narrow faces and thin lips and straight noses?

Ross
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 12:10 PM
The biggest mongolid subgroup is the
mongol or pure-mongolid which has the
following general subraces:

1. Palemongol (south east mongol):
short, yellow-brown skin, rather round face, somewhat oblique but rather big eyes, flat smooth nose. Indokina, Malaysia, Indonesia, Filippines and s.w. China.

2. Sinid (northeast mongol): light yellow-brown skin or pale yellowish skin, oblique narrow eyes, broad faces, flat narrow nose. China, Korea, Japan.

3. Altaid (central-mongolid, tungid,
buryat): Very broad and flat face, corse hair, flat narrow nose, very prominent malars, oblique narrow eyes. Tibet, western China, Mongolia and southern Siberia.

4. Sibirid: thickset, short-legged,
thick face, strong emfatic eye-fold,
very narrow smooth nose with small
nostrils, to survive cold climate.
Sibirid aboriginal peoples like nenets,
evenk, yakut and chukchi.

5. Inuit: About the same as sibirid,
but in North America.

cosmocreator
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 09:18 PM
You create a website with photos of each type.




Originally posted by Ross
The biggest mongolid subgroup is the
mongol or pure-mongolid which has the
following general subraces:

1. Palemongol (south east mongol):
short, yellow-brown skin, rather round face, somewhat oblique but rather big eyes, flat smooth nose. Indokina, Malaysia, Indonesia, Filippines and s.w. China.

2. Sinid (northeast mongol): light yellow-brown skin or pale yellowish skin, oblique narrow eyes, broad faces, flat narrow nose. China, Korea, Japan.

3. Altaid (central-mongolid, tungid,
buryat): Very broad and flat face, corse hair, flat narrow nose, very prominent malars, oblique narrow eyes. Tibet, western China, Mongolia and southern Siberia.

4. Sibirid: thickset, short-legged,
thick face, strong emfatic eye-fold,
very narrow smooth nose with small
nostrils, to survive cold climate.
Sibirid aboriginal peoples like nenets,
evenk, yakut and chukchi.

5. Inuit: About the same as sibirid,
but in North America.

Stríbog
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 09:30 PM
To be accurate, I have studied a fair bit of East Asian anthropology, and the Japanese are in fact a mix of Sinid and Altaid. The Koreans, while basically Sinid, also have a little Altaid blood, from the Manchus, who were/are ethnically Chinese (Sinid) but Altaic. I will work on finding some pictures.

Stríbog
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 09:35 PM
These are Manchu women who are mostly Altaic.
http://images.21dnn.com/mmsource/image/2002-5-24/manchu-1a.jpg
This is a fairly good drawing of a Manchu man:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/~chinook/Innsbruck/Manchu.JPG
Note that he more closely resembles the Japanese than the Chinese.

Hellstar
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 01:41 AM
I have some books on this in my collection, And im even waiting another book on classifying these types at my door soon, I wish my scanner worked, Its been fucked for 1½ years now, if it worked it would be so great then i could scan alot of interesting types, I will try get hold of a new scanner soon. Ross is your scanner working again? I cant remember what you told me.

torrent
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 01:42 AM
here is some excerpts from a friend that may help
but i thought the japs had more polynesian blood as they are generally longheaded and there is strong and evident mediterranean mixture in japs. well these description do not include north altaics and avar type asiatics who are perhaps Up remnants.
if you have any links i will be gratefull. there are other types kumid and taigid.

A. CAUSASIAN.

*URALIC RACE:

- light skin colour and light eyes with several hues and
minor Mongoloid traits.
- light, curly hair with reddish glinty
- small stature
- relatively small and moderately wide face with concavity
of the nose bridge and thin lipps
- Characteristic for Khants, Mansi, Selkups and some Altaics.


B. NORTHASIAN MONGOLIDS.

*BAIKAL RACE OR PALEO-MONGOLID RACE:

- strong Mongolid features accompagny a very long, boad and
flattish face
- pronounced cheekbones
- small nose with low depressed nose root
- Characteristic for Jukagirs, Ewens and Ewenks.

*CENTRALASIAN RACE:

- stronger pigmentation of eye, hair and skin than the
Baikal race
- bristly hair and stronger beard growth
- high and broad face with less marked cheekbones
- high-rooted nose, fairly thick lipps and stronger
Mongolid inclination
- Characteristic for Burjats, Tuwins and Mongols.

*AMUR-SACHALIN RACE:

- strong pigmentation
- smooth lank hair and stronger beard growth
- high and broad face with pronounced cheekbones
- less jutting neus, depressed nose root and thick lipps
- Characteric for: Niwsjens and Ultsjens.


*ARCTIC OR ESKIMO RACE:

- dark or blueish black hair
- strong beard growth
- broad but also high face with high-rooted nose and
straight nose bridge; thick lipps
- Mongolid traits are attenuated.
FG

Rurik
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
I have some books on this in my collection, And im even waiting another book on classifying these types at my door soon...Ooh ooh, what books might these be?

cosmocreator
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 09:47 PM
These descriptions would be great if they came with photo examples.




Originally posted by asparukh
here is some excerpts from a friend that may help
but i thought the japs had more polynesian blood as they are generally longheaded and there is strong and evident mediterranean mixture in japs. well these description do not include north altaics and avar type asiatics who are perhaps Up remnants.
if you have any links i will be gratefull. there are other types kumid and taigid.

A. CAUSASIAN.

*URALIC RACE:

- light skin colour and light eyes with several hues and
minor Mongoloid traits.
- light, curly hair with reddish glinty
- small stature
- relatively small and moderately wide face with concavity
of the nose bridge and thin lipps
- Characteristic for Khants, Mansi, Selkups and some Altaics.


B. NORTHASIAN MONGOLIDS.

*BAIKAL RACE OR PALEO-MONGOLID RACE:

- strong Mongolid features accompagny a very long, boad and
flattish face
- pronounced cheekbones
- small nose with low depressed nose root
- Characteristic for Jukagirs, Ewens and Ewenks.

*CENTRALASIAN RACE:

- stronger pigmentation of eye, hair and skin than the
Baikal race
- bristly hair and stronger beard growth
- high and broad face with less marked cheekbones
- high-rooted nose, fairly thick lipps and stronger
Mongolid inclination
- Characteristic for Burjats, Tuwins and Mongols.

*AMUR-SACHALIN RACE:

- strong pigmentation
- smooth lank hair and stronger beard growth
- high and broad face with pronounced cheekbones
- less jutting neus, depressed nose root and thick lipps
- Characteric for: Niwsjens and Ultsjens.


*ARCTIC OR ESKIMO RACE:

- dark or blueish black hair
- strong beard growth
- broad but also high face with high-rooted nose and
straight nose bridge; thick lipps
- Mongolid traits are attenuated.
FG

Hellstar
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by Rurik
Ooh ooh, what books might these be? Books I have Dealing with such types?

W. Dreyer - Naturfolkenes liv 1898,
Haddon - races of man 1925,
Kaj birket - Vi Mennesker 1961,
Kaj birket - strejftog 1968,
John R. Baker - race 1974,
Jürgen Rieger - Rase det store grunn-problem 1975,
Verdensatlas 1977,

I might have some more I forgot, Books can be rather perplexed and dealing with many types at ones so I do have more on this subject Definitely.

Rurik
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Books can be rather perplexed...How can books be perplexed? (Sorry, just repaying the smart remark.)

Hellstar
Sunday, February 16th, 2003, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Rurik
How can books be perplexed? (Sorry, just repaying the smart remark.) Which smart remark? books can be perplexed cause they speak in thousand tongues.