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cosmocreator
Friday, February 14th, 2003, 12:34 AM
I was just looking through an Atlas of World History. It's so difficult to find certain topics. It's like they've been deliberately removed.

Anyway, it seems Cro Magnon has it's centre in SW France. However, it shows CM sites from all over the world. The Clovis sites in America were CM. Also up in Alaska. In South America, Africa, Asian and Australia. I'm wondering if Kennewick man was CM? The re-creations I've seen would suggest that he was.

cosmocreator
Friday, February 14th, 2003, 12:51 AM
http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue187/labnotes.html

http://www.modernhumanorigins.com/cromagnon1.html

http://www.mikedust.com/history/cromagnon.html

Hellstar
Friday, February 14th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Yes all the way from beach caves of Portugal till up upper North East Europe, But that's abit contradicting to the view that Cro-magnon comes from Siberia, I assume you talk Real Archaic Cro-magnon and not the modernised Cro-magnon or?

cosmocreator
Saturday, February 15th, 2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Yes all the way from beach caves of Portugal till up upper North East Europe, But that's abit contradicting to the view that Cro-magnon comes from Siberia, I assume you talk Real Archaic Cro-magnon and not the modernised Cro-magnon or?

CM from Siberia? Modern CM? Where did I say that?

goidelicwarrior
Wednesday, February 19th, 2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
I was just looking through an Atlas of World History. It's so difficult to find certain topics. It's like they've been deliberately removed.

Anyway, it seems Cro Magnon has it's centre in SW France. However, it shows CM sites from all over the world. The Clovis sites in America were CM. Also up in Alaska. In South America, Africa, Asian and Australia. I'm wondering if Kennewick man was CM? The re-creations I've seen would suggest that he was.

The basques are probably the decendants of the first white Cro Magnon man, skelettons found in the Basque land are identical to most modern living Basques, besides they have this RH negative blood group wich is not very common exept for Western Ireland and Wales and Galicia!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1256894.stm

Conquistador
Saturday, February 22nd, 2003, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by triskel
The basques are probably the decendants of the first white Cro Magnon man, skelettons found in the Basque land are identical to most modern living Basques, besides they have this RH negative blood group wich is not very common exept for Western Ireland and Wales and Galicia!


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/1256894.stm

I believe that 40% to 60% of the Basque Population is of the RH negative blood group.

Mandible
Saturday, November 15th, 2003, 06:06 PM
North American Indians have a more rugged CM look than South American Indians. Note the fine wavy hair too.

æþeling
Saturday, October 22nd, 2005, 01:21 PM
In what ways did Cro-Magnon differ from modern humans? I have heard that they were more robust and had a 4% larger brain. I have also heard that there were no differences.

Also are Europeans the only ones decended from Cro-Magnon? If so were all other racial groups decended from Homo-Erectus?

GreenHeart
Sunday, October 23rd, 2005, 11:06 AM
I'll start off with a quote from the Wikipedia:


The Cro-Magnons form the earliest known European examples of Homo sapiens, the species to which modern humans belong. The term falls outside the usual naming conventions for early man and is used in a general sense to describe the oldest modern people in Europe. The oldest H. sapiens (i.e. anatomically modern humans) first emerged around 100,000 years ago.

Cro-Magnons lived from about 35,000 to 10,000 years ago in the Upper Paleolithic period of the Pleistocene epoch. For all intents and purposes these people were anatomically modern, only differing from their modern day descendants in Europe by their slightly more robust physiology and brains which were about 4 percent larger than that of modern man. The Cro-Magnons could be descended from any number of subspecies of Homo sapiens that emerged from Africa approximately 100,000 years ago, such as Homo sapiens idaltu.

The geologist Louis Lartet discovered the first five skeletons in March 1868 in the Cro-Magnon rock shelter at Les Eyzies, Dordogne, France. The definitive specimen from this find bears the name 'Cro Magnon I'. The skeletons showed the same high forehead, upright posture and slender (gracile) skeleton as modern humans. Other specimens have since come to light in other parts of Europe and in the Middle East. The European individuals probably arrived from a North African origin via South Asia, Central Asia and the Middle East. However, this is highly speculative since no Cro-Magnon remains have been found in Africa (though the North African ancestors of Cro-Magnon man would have been pre- Cro-Magnon).

The condition and placement of the remains along with pieces of shell and animal tooth in what appears to have been pendants or necklaces raises the question whether or not they were buried intentionally. If Cro-Magnons buried their dead intentionally it shows us they had a knowledge of ritual, by burying their dead with necklaces and tools, or an idea of disease and that the bodies needed to be contained.[1]

Analysis of the pathology of the skeletons shows that the humans of this time period led a physically tough life. In addition to the infection, several of the individuals found at the shelter had fused vertebrae in their necks indicating traumatic injury, and the adult female found at the shelter had survived for some time with a skull fracture. As these injuries would be life threatening even today, this shows that Cro-Magnons believed in community support and took care of each others' injuries.[2]

Surviving Cro-Magnon artifacts include huts, cave paintings, carvings and antler-tipped spears. The remains of tools suggest that they knew how to make woven clothing. They had huts, constructed of rocks, clay, bones, branches, and animal hide/fur. These early humans used manganese and iron oxides to paint pictures and it is believed that they created the first calendar around 32,000 B.C.

The flint tools found in association with the remains at Cro-Magnon have associations with the Aurignacian culture that Lartet had identified a few years before he found the skeletons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cro-Magnon


I read that modern UP types are related to the ancient cro-magnon man. I think cromagnon examples are rather good looking, and am glad to descend from them! :D

http://www.boneclones.com/images/bc-093_web-md.jpg

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/images/cromagnon/cromagnon_origins.jpg

http://www.creationnisme.ca/publication/articles/images/cro-magnon.jpg

An interesting article about the REAL cro-magnon man:


An anthropological fact usually ignored in popular TV shows and documentaries is that there are notable differences in types of paleolithic man. In such shows the terms Cro-Magnon and Modern Man are used as if they were synonymous, whereas strictly speaking they are not. All Cro-Magnons are Modern, but all Moderns are not Cro-Magnon. Eastern European types are different both physically and intellectually. Cro-Magnon's distribution is limited to western portions of Europe and North Africa, as well as a number of Atlantic islands. Even some limited portions of South America have a type called Cro-Magnoid (meaning possessing some Cro-Magnon characteristics). These distinctions assume greater importance when Atlantis is viewed as the possible source of the type known as Cro-Magnon.


http://www.atlantisquest.com/Anthropology.html#drawing


http://www.atlantisquest.com/Drawing.jpg
Cro-magnon self portrait

Cro-Magnon Art:

Lion-man/Sphinx Found In Germany:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/tech/main589095.shtml
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/12/1217_031217_modernhumans.html

Lion-Man Is World's Oldest Statue:
http://www.vnn.org/world/WD0401/WD01-8500.html

Ice-Age Cave Art Found In UK:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0818_040818_ice_age_caveart.html

Carvings Reveal Early European's Artistic Skill:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn4497

Earliest Representation of Male Sexuality Found in German Cave:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4713323.stm

Oldest Musical Instrument found in German Cave:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/news/story/0,11711,1375698,00.html

500,000 year old axe found in UK:
http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/nwh/ART25245.html

Some of The Earliest Written Characters Found in France, The Glozel Tablets:
http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/139_glozel.shtml
http://www.gerbeaud.com/glozel/gbecriture.htm

Earliest Domesticated Dog Fossil Found In Germany:
http://www.asa3.org/archive/asa/199707/0004.html

æþeling
Sunday, October 23rd, 2005, 07:38 PM
Thanks for that.:)

I had heard that it is mainly Northern Europeans that are descended from Cro-Magnon hence the Borreby and Brunn types.

Euclides
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 12:31 PM
The reconstruction remebers me Arnold Schwarzenegger

GreenHeart
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 05:24 PM
Thanks for that.:)

I had heard that it is mainly Northern Europeans that are descended from Cro-Magnon hence the Borreby and Brunn types.

Yes, the UP types are all descended from the Cro-magnons, and no one else in the world besides the UP has so much Cro-magnon blood. Cro-magnon blood is strongest in England, Austria and Germany, and indeed these countries produce the most intelligent and good looking people, and boast great histories and many inventions. But there is much UP/Cro-Magnon blood in all Germanic countries. The slavs and all easterners have virtually no UP blood, as it was mainly concentrated in the Northwest of Europe.

The purest UP types consist of Nordish.com's Bruenn, Borreby, while UP types mixed with Nordic are Anglo-Saxon, Phaelisch, and Tronder.

UP man typically has pure blue eyes and red or brown hair combined with gloriusly fair skin. They characteristically have a thin upper lip compared to the bottom lip. They also have leptorrine to messorrhine nasal structure (narrow to medium) and the men are typically very masculine with a strong square jawline, clefted chin, heavy browridges and massive bone structure - while the females are rather feminine with a much sought after hour glass figure.


The reconstruction remebers me Arnold Schwarzenegger

It's true, Arnold Scharzenegger is a good example of a Brunn, and the type was after all discovered in an area once part of Austria, which has a great stronghold of Brunnish and Borreby blood even today.

http://www.fitplus.cz/allpic/mf/f_58.jpg

Notice the thin upper lip, high forehead, clefted chin, narrow nose, wide jawline, etc etc....

Triglav
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 05:47 PM
Yes, the UP types are all descended from the Cro-magnons,

BS.


The slavs and all easterners have virtually no UP blood, as it was mainly concentrated in the Northwest of Europe.

More BS. Does Mladeč (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/05/0519_050519_mladecbones.html) ring a bell? Brno-Predmosti (http://piclib.nhm.ac.uk/piclib/www/search.php?search=predmosti)? Sunghir (http://www.rc.ru/%7Eladygin/sungir/morphology/index.php)?



Arnold Scharzenegger is a good example of a Brunn, and the type was after all discovered in Austria,


Oh, for Pete's sake:

http://www.grida.no/graphics/CEE/czech/czech.jpg

GreenHeart
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 06:18 PM
Well thats all well and good, but the Czech Republic is NOT slavic. It's situated directly between Germany and Austria.

Map Image: http://www.iarelative.com/maps/ah_1895/bohemia.htm
Bruenn can be found in large letters in the lower right hand corner of the map.

The whole of the modern day "Czech Republic" used to be part of Austria-Hungary. Bruenn was in Moravia.

http://www.iarelative.com/maps/ah_1895/


This is an old color map by J. Bartholomew, F.R.G.S. It is an engraved map from "Chamber's Encyclopedia" published in 1895. The map shows the Austro-Hungarian Empire as it existed at the end of the 19th century.

You will not find the Czech Republic, the Slovak Republic, Czechoslovakia, or Poland on this map.

You will find Bohemia, Moravia, Silesia, Upper Hungary, and Galicia.

Furthermore, the fact that the Sunghirs are related to "proto-cro-magnons" only means that the didnt get to evolve as far as the cro-magnons did. Cro-magnons and their modern descendants the brunns and borrebies do not have African long bone proportions.


The Sunghir man is peculiar and did not stem from the morphological diversity range of Upper Palaeolithic Eastern European specimens.

[...]

A number of such traits that can be seen in the Sunghir man, go back to "proto-Cro-Magnons" of the Near East, and - in retrospect - to archaic African Sapiens (Broken Hill), or even to early African Erectus (Nariokotome III).

[...]

Judging by the size of the bone marrow cavity of the humerus, Sunghir 1 is located between Arctic Mongoloids and the Afanasyevo people from Altai, which also supports the hypoxia hypothesis. On the other hand, the trend towards inner gracilisation of the skeleton is registered in the inhabitants of the ancient taiga of Southern Oleny Ostrov and in Khants - fishermen, hunters and deer-breeders well adapted to severe, extremely continental conditions of the taiga zone in Western Siberia.

[...]

The Sunghir children show an undifferentiated set of morphological characteristics when compared to later representatives of Homo sapiens sapiens. "African" proportions in lower limb structure are combined with "Arctic" ratios of arm to leg lengths and with "Hypereuropean" shoulder width. "Tropical" traits in linear body proportions are not found in the Sunghir children: their arm length to leg length ratios resemble those of ancient Indians and Arctic Mongoloids.

Sure, the Sunghir lived during the upper paleolithic (which is a time period) but that does not make them cro-magnons, and it especially does not mean that slavs today have cro-magnon ancestry,

Triglav
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 06:43 PM
Oh, boy...


Well thats all well and good, but the Czech Republic is NOT slavic. It's situated directly between Germany and Austria.
LMAO :roll

Do I really need to whip out some genetic studies?


Map Image: http://www.iarelative.com/maps/ah_1895/bohemia.htm
Bruenn can be found in large letters in the lower right hand corner of the map.
Unfortunately, your map doesn't say 30,000 BP but 1895. There's a difference between these two dates, you know...




The whole of the modern day "Czech Republic" used to be part of Austria-Hungary. Bruenn was in Moravia.
Yes, the proto-Austrian empire 30k years ago. ;)

How is that relevant to this discussion? Obviously, the robust Brno type has to be found among the modern population of Moravia.



Furthermore, the fact that the Sunghirs are related to "proto-cro-magnons" only means that the didnt get to evolve as far as the cro-magnons did.

LMAO

Speaking of evolution: you do know that chamaecephaly is a primitive trait?


Cro-magnons and their modern descendants the brunns and borrebies do not have African long bone proportions.
The Brno(Brünn) type is quite high-headed, as opposed to the chamaecephalic Cro-Magnid type. Eastern Europeans are higher-headed than their western counterparts, so there's obviously no link between Slavs and the Brünn type whatsoever. :juggle



Sure, the Sunghir lived during the upper paleolithic (which is a time period) but that does not make them cro-magnons, and it especially does not mean that slavs today have cro-magnon ancestry,
You said UP:


The slavs and all easterners have virtually no UP blood, as it was mainly concentrated in the Northwest of Europe.
Do you even know what UP stands for?

Triglav
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 06:47 PM
The Sunghir children show an undifferentiated set of morphological characteristics when compared to later representatives of Homo sapiens sapiens. "African" proportions in lower limb structure are combined with "Arctic" ratios of arm to leg lengths and with "Hypereuropean" shoulder width. "Tropical" traits in linear body proportions are not found in the Sunghir children: their arm length to leg length ratios resemble those of ancient Indians and Arctic Mongoloids.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Galley hill, Brno/Brünn and Grimaldi likewise had "primitive" traits labelled as "Negroid" by many anthropologists.

Zyklop
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 06:49 PM
Well thats all well and good, but the Czech Republic is NOT slavic. It's situated directly between Germany and Austria. Oh my god! :-O

GreenHeart
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:11 PM
Oh my god! :-O

Yes? God here. :D

Zyklop
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:13 PM
Yes? God here. :DYou are really cute, you know? :)

Triglav
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Cro-magnons and their modern descendants the brunns and borrebies do not have African long bone proportions.

Are you for real? :D

Triglav
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:32 PM
Cro-magnons and their modern descendants the brunns and borrebies do not have African long bone proportions.


Of course not...

Sunghir 1 belongs to the group of the giant Cro-Magnon population. The extremely large length of clavicle didn't influence the estimation of the similarity of Sunghir 1 to the people of the Early Upper Paleolithic. Following the results of the principal component analysis one can see that large shoulder breadth reflects the adaptation to the cold stress. Apparently, the gradual intensification of the breadth development of the shoulder girdle, showed by Sunghir 1 (56 ° of North Latitude) and Magdalenians is not incidental. Nevertheless, there are no any specific traits, connecting Sunghir 1 and the European Neanderthals (opposite to Mousterians from Levant).





The remainder of the Cro-Magnon skeleton is not fully known from the remains found at the original site, which are incomplete and poorly preserved. Skeletal material attributed to the Cro-Magnon race from other sites, however, affords the general impression of robustness, probably combined with powerful musculature. The forearm is relatively long, as is the thigh; the femur (thighbone) has a very prominent linea aspera (a bony ridge that runs lengthwise down the back of the femur), and the tibia is flattened from back to front (platycnemy). The hand skeleton is large with short fingers, and the foot has a prominent heel.

Source: "Human Evolution." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2004. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service.
18 Apr. 2004 http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=127622.

GreenHeart
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:45 PM
Do I really need to whip out some genetic studies?

Please do.


Unfortunately, your map doesn't say 30,000 BP but 1985. There's a difference between these two dates, you know...

Yes, so why do you try to equate the Bruenn type with slavs then? The fact that it is in the Czech Republic means nothing, but two can play this game of course. The ethnic makeup of Czechs has changed probably every century.

There was still Moravia in 1985? :D
Well thats a pleasant surprise! ;)


Yes, the proto-Austrian empire 30k years ago. ;)
How is that relevant to this discussion? Obviously, the robust Brno type has to be found among the modern population of Moravia.
LMAO
Speaking of evolution: you do know that chamaecephaly is a primitive trait?

Source?


The Brno(Brünn) type is quite high-headed, as opposed to the chamaecephalic Cro-Magnid type. Eastern Europeans are higher-headed than their western counterparts, so there's obviously no link between Slavs and the Brünn type whatsoever. :juggle

So the slavs are superior to germanics, right? Funny that there is no proof whatsoever that high skulls are related to high IQ scores.
Anyway, Nordish.com does not mention that bruenns have high skulls, just a high forehead- and a high forehead does not equal a high skull.


You said UP:
Do you even know what UP stands for?

Of course I do, why do you think I would mention Upper Paleolithic if I didnt know what it meant? I guess I should've been more specific that I meant Upper Paleolithic North-Western Europeans, and not the upper paleolithic human race as a whole.

GreenHeart
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 07:48 PM
You are really cute, you know? :)

Actually I was wrong about the Czech Republic not being slavic. My husband informs me that the soviets have massacred all people with German ancestry that lived there and brought in Russians to fill their place, so naturally nowadays they surely must be slavic.

Zyklop
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 08:03 PM
Actually I was wrong about the Czech Republic not being slavic. My husband informs me that the soviets have massacred all people with German ancestry that lived there and brought in Russians to fill their place, so naturally nowadays they surely must be slavic.Not Russians but Czechs and Slovaks.
Anyway, I don´t mean to offend you but I seriously recommend you this book (http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3878471602/qid=1130439526/sr=8-4/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i4_xgl/302-3194389-4122416). It gives a good and comprehensible summary of the most important parts of our history and is refreshingly non-PC. Have fun. :)

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 08:58 PM
What could have been an ingenious reboot of Skadi's quality hallmark of high-flown, refreshing debates on paleoanthropology, littered with graphics, pictures and pdf from various sources, old and new, obscure and ready to pick up from the net with some easy googling, has compounded itself in a petty farce...

All the contributions by Morfrain_Encilgar, Agrippa, Dr.Solar Wolff, Glenlivet, Triglav, Scoob, Willigut, Bennett, Polak, Euclides, me and so many others in the past couple of years seemingly haven't made either impression and/or difference...btw, Triglav, old chap, the Central European UP were on average orthocephalic, but the Predmost male was defintely low-skulled with a LHI of 66.

As you may remember from my old posts, the high-skulled type can be single out in here and there of Europe during the Aurignician, but there isn't any conclusive material to infer that the introduction of moderns in Europe was lead by a high-skulled population.

Actually, proper high-skulled types in SW Russia probably emerged with a migration of archaic and robust Mediterreneans from West Asia and in other situations, the orthocephalic trend in Old Europeans could have advanced a greater elevation of the skull without hybridisation.
But, these events took place in the final stages of the Pleistocene, when the Cro Magnons were since long out of the pictures...

Wjatscheslaw
Thursday, October 27th, 2005, 10:36 PM
Funny "discussion"...

Triglav
Friday, October 28th, 2005, 06:22 AM
btw, Triglav, old chap, the Central European UP were on average orthocephalic, but the Predmost male was defintely low-skulled with a LHI of 66.
Frankie, old buddy. :D I was waiting for you to chime in (but perhaps when this discussion would have reached an adequate intellectual level). There were so many inconsistencies in this thread.



There was more than one Predmosti skull. Personally, I am aware of two male and two female skulls. Let me guess - you're referring to the famous "neanderthaloid" Predmosti III skull, which was indeed low-skulled.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=43314&stc=1&d=1130476267

But the Mladeč skull was higher-headed than the Old Man of Cro-Magnon and had a somewhat more capacious cranium.


As you may remember from my old posts, the high-skulled type can be single out in here and there of Europe during the Aurignician, but there isn't any conclusive material to infer that the introduction of moderns in Europe was lead by a high-skulled population.

I was talking about the single finds as opposed to populations. I lost track of all of NP88's inconsistencies, so may I be forgiven if I hadn't clarified my position. :-O It was my fault that I got tangled up in her "Yes, the UP types are all descended from the Cro-magnons" kind of comments, so all of the subsequent comments were based on the wrong assumptions.

If you observe the nature of some comments in this thread ("So the slavs are superior to germanics, right?"), it becomes pretty evident that this thread (or at least large parts therof) should be moved to one of the low-brow sub-fora.

Triglav
Friday, October 28th, 2005, 06:50 AM
Please do.

With pleasure:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v67n6/002082/002082.tb1.html

You already acknowledged that Czechs are Slavic.


The ethnic makeup of Czechs has changed probably every century.

Yeah, okay...



There was still Moravia in 1985? :D
Well thats a pleasant surprise! ;)

Obviously a typo.




Source?

For what?


So the slavs are superior to germanics, right?

Oh, for crying out loud... :oanieyes Must these discussions always revolve around some pissing contests?


Funny that there is no proof whatsoever that high skulls are related to high IQ scores.

Skull height is positively correlated with brain size and the correlation between cranial capacity and intelligence is from 0.33 (McDaniel, 2005) to 0.40 (Jensen, 1998). But wait, there's more... If you want to have a large brain, you'd better have a skull that is long AND broad as well.

As for IQ, please consult the first chart on this page: http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/NationalIQs.html . As far as I know, this is the only comparative IQ test carried out in Europe.

Triglav
Friday, October 28th, 2005, 08:25 AM
Actually, proper high-skulled types in SW Russia probably emerged with a migration of archaic and robust Mediterreneans from West Asia and in other situations, the orthocephalic trend in Old Europeans could have advanced a greater elevation of the skull without hybridisation.

Which populations would that be and who are they descended from? About 65% of Russians (who have a strong (Neolithic) Finnic component) and 75% of Poles are descedned from the Aurignacian paternal haplogroup R (R1a and R1b) and about 15% from the probably Gravettian haplogroup I. The rest are Neolithic contributions (E, J, G, N). The maternal haplogroup contribution is mapped out this chart:

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=43322&stc=1&d=1130484032

Naturally, there are several factors at play here, but most modern Europeans descend from Aurignacians and partly Gravattians (most notably the Balkanians and Scandinavians).

frankfurter
Sunday, January 15th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Where is the proof that Brunns and Borrebys spring forth from the same stock, and that they are descended from Cro-Magnon Man? Cro-Magnon was only one type of Paleolithic man, so Cro-Magnon is not equal to UP in all cases. There are fully brunette tall types in parts of Scotland, Wales and France who are morpholigically close to the Cro-Magnon skeletal type.
As for Brunn, I think the name is misleading. There were several forms represented by the Brunn finds, and whether or not one of them played a part in the formation of modern-day Brunn race is not clear to me.
The location of Brunn (Brno) would not necessarily be related to where the modern-day repesentatives live, as races in history have migrated completely or partially to other areas. I don't see alot of Brunn or Borreby in Austria, just a few partial UPs like Schwarzenegger. The UP element was probably brought in with Anglo-Saxon Nordic Germanic tribes. Austria is mostly various mixtures of Nordic (Hallstatt, Keltic, A/S), Alpine, Dinaric (Bell-Beaker and Etrusco-Rhaetic) and a small admixture of other types (Pontid?, Danubian?).
The name Brunn gets even more confusing when you consider that Scandinavian Brunns are often very dolichocephalic, while the Irish Brunns are generally mesocephalic to sub-brachycehalic (average about 80)

Catterick
Thursday, April 7th, 2016, 09:16 PM
Oh, its just the word has different meanings. :)

On the one hand it means anatomical modern humans prior to the Holocene, on the other it relates to living people with robust bones, a long-skull and a heart-faced face reminiscent of the people from that famous Cro-Magnon anthropological site (early Upper Paleolithic of Dordogne, France. It used to get contrasted against the Mediterranean from Combe Capelle, which is embarrassingly redated now to the Neolithic.