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AryanKrieger
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 03:48 PM
I quote the following passage from "Arktos" by Joscelyn Godwin-

"The reader will see that the basic outlines of Evola`s prehistory resemble those of Theosophy,with Lemurian,Atlantean,and Aryan root-races succeeding each other,and a pole-shift marking the transition from one epoch to another.
Evola did not,however,go back as far as H.P. Blavatsky`s immaterial Hyperboreans. His story began,as did Rene Guenon`s, with a physical race in the Arctic,intimately involved with the catastrophe that destroyed Atlantis some 11,000 years ago. One part of this Nordic, Borean, or Aryan Race fell victim to miscegenation and the pollutions of the feminine South;another part preserved its blood and solar traditions intact. It was the latter branch,we are to understand,that populated Europe and India. Evola was not troubled by the controversies of the scholars concerning the location of the Aryan Race`s home,because his Aryans all originated at the North Pole,migrating southward in every direction."[Page 60]

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 07:41 PM
That was fascinating :)

AryanKrieger
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 07:53 PM
That was fascinating :)
Thank you!:)
So do you agree that this lost civilisation did have an actual geographical location in the far northern Arctic region-and not the south as some are fond of speculating?

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 08:09 PM
Yes I do believe there was a northern Atlantis. I'll find some links but I read that Atlantis isn't Greek but it has an older origin deriving from the North. The early Finnish language is actually the oldest European language and influenced the Greek, not vice versa. That means there was an ancient pre-historic origin dwelling from the far north.

The term "Atlantis" is from the old Finnish root/Rot language. It's within the name itself, the clue behind the Atlantis myth. So the earliest Finnish word "Atlantis" is pronounced such as this: At- Lant - Is (A Land Ice) -- A land of Ice. The Ice Age, The Northern Territory.
The word "People" comes from the same pre-historic Finnish root language meaning "pi" (plural of "me") and "pol" (pole). In other ways it means "people of the north pole".

Also Atlantis is a definate place from the far north which was snowy and mountainous, and it's not the Grecian type island many people assume.

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 08:29 PM
http://www.sshoesmith.fsnet.co.uk

AryanKrieger
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 08:31 PM
Yes I do believe there was a northern Atlantis. I'll find some links but I read that Atlantis isn't Greek but it has an older origin deriving from the North. The early Finnish language is actually the oldest European language and influenced the Greek, not vice versa. That means there was an ancient pre-historic origin dwelling from the far north.

ARYAN KRIEGER: Thank you, I would be interested in seeing those links.
Do you have anything on Finnish that you can share with us,regarding it being older than Greek? Thank you.:)

The term "Atlantis" is from the old Finnish root/Rot language. It's within the name itself, the clue behind the Atlantis myth. So the earliest Finnish word "Atlantis" is pronounced such as this: At- Lant - Is (A Land Ice) -- A land of Ice. The Ice Age, The Northern Territory.
The word "People" comes from the same pre-historic Finnish root language meaning "pi" (plural of "me") and "pol" (pole). In other ways it means "people of the north pole".

ARYAN KRIEGER: That is fascinating and it certainly does seem to point to Atlantis having a northern origin as a land of ice and snow.

Also Atlantis is a definate place from the far north which was snowy and mountainous, and it's not the Grecian type island many people assume.

ARYAN KRIEGER: Yes the evidence certainly seems to point that way doesnt it? Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.:)
Julius Evola in "Revolt Against The Modern World" on pages 188-189 states "Allegedly, according to tradition, in an epoch of remote prehistory that corresponds to the Golden Age or Age of Being, the symbolical island or "polar" land was a real location situated in the Arctic, in the area that today corresponds to the North Pole. This region was inhabited by beings who by virtue of their possession of that nonhuman spirituality[characterised by gold,"glory",light,and life] that in later times will be evoked by the abovementioned symbolism,founded the race that exemplified the Uranian tradition in a pure state; this race,in turn,was the central and most direct source of the various forms and manifestations this tradition produced in other races and civilisations."

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 08:43 PM
I provided a link above :)
Also there are books, Atlantis Rising and The Atlantis Blueprint that discusses the Atlantis as being an ice world. However Flem-Ath (a site believing in the ice-age Atlantis theory) places the location to Antarctica.

To read about Finnish language being older than even Greek, please look at the link I posted above and go to "Bock Sa-Ga pt II" and start from reading "The One Ring".

AryanKrieger
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 08:53 PM
I provided a link above :)
Also there are books, Atlantis Rising and The Atlantis Blueprint that discusses the Atlantis as being an ice world. However Flem-Ath (a site believing in the ice-age Atlantis theory) places the location to Antarctica.

To read about Finnish language being older than even Greek, please look at the link I posted above and go to "Bock Sa-Ga pt II" and start from reading "The One Ring".


Thank you dear Frozen Dice-you have given me much food for thought.I will check out that link.:)

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 09:29 PM
Check out this one :) http://www.atlantishistory.com

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 09:33 PM
http://www.atlantishistory.net

AryanKrieger
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 09:50 PM
http://www.atlantishistory.net (http://www.atlantishistory.net/)

Constantin Benetatos seems to think that Northern Europeans are the purest descendants of the race that occupied Atlantis. I quote-

ALTHOUGH THROUGH THE EONS THEIR DIVINE PORTION HAS BEEN DILUTED TOO MANY TIMES" AS CRITIAS STOICALLY INDICATES, THE NORTHERN EUROPEANS OF TODAY ARE THE MOST PURE DESCENDANTS OF POSEIDON'S CHILDREN

She-Wolf
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 11:11 PM
That makes a lot of sense :)

AryanKrieger
Monday, October 4th, 2004, 12:08 AM
That makes a lot of sense :)
Yes it does but unfortunately the concept of a northern Atlantis is not popular amongst academics as they are afraid of any potential association with the Third Reich.:)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, October 4th, 2004, 08:04 AM
I can't believe that fellow wolves would speak so highly of Joscelyn Godwin. Joscelyn, a male by the way, is an academic and if you notice, downs everything about Atlantis, Hyperborea, Thule and Nazi survival after the War. And then he goes on with platitudes about Jews, mumbling formulas we have heard over and over for the last 40 years. Why would he do this? Answer: he is a whore and said these words simply to get into the popular press. He wanted an name for himself and he didn't mind stepping all over everything I hold dear to do this. He knows what anyone finds out if he approaches a major publisher. The simple fact is that if you discuss the Nazis, even or maybe especially on an esoteric level, you must say very bad things about these Nazis and their beleifs in order to get your book published. Godwin was willing to do this. He was willing to prostitue himself to get published.

AryanKrieger
Monday, October 4th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I can't believe that fellow wolves would speak so highly of Joscelyn Godwin. Joscelyn, a male by the way, is an academic and if you notice, downs everything about Atlantis, Hyperborea, Thule and Nazi survival after the War. And then he goes on with platitudes about Jews, mumbling formulas we have heard over and over for the last 40 years. Why would he do this? Answer: he is a whore and said these words simply to get into the popular press. He wanted an name for himself and he didn't mind stepping all over everything I hold dear to do this. He knows what anyone finds out if he approaches a major publisher. The simple fact is that if you discuss the Nazis, even or maybe especially on an esoteric level, you must say very bad things about these Nazis and their beleifs in order to get your book published. Godwin was willing to do this. He was willing to prostitue himself to get published.
I take your point but that is a fairly general trend and he does seem to be quite knowledgeable especially about the works of Julius Evola.
It is extremely difficult and nearly impossible to get a book published by mainstream publishers without the obligatory "bash the Nazis".

ohrdruf
Wednesday, September 7th, 2005, 06:39 PM
I must apologize if I revive this old thread but it is worth while mentioning a few ideas which may have been overlooked.


The Viennese psychologist Wilfried Dahm wrote in his book Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab, (Munich 1955) the biography of Lanz von Liebenfels: "The Thule Gesellschaft name originated from mythological Thule, a Nordic equivalent of the vanished culture of Atlantis. A race of giant supermen lived on Thule, linked into the Cosmos through major powers. They had psychic and technical energies far exceeding the technological advances of the 20th century....This knowledge was now to be put to use to save the Fatherland and create a new race of Nordic-Aryan Atlanteans. A new Messiah would come forward to lead the German people to this goal."


National Socialism was a sun cult: this is absolutely clear from contemporary literature of the time. The swastika was adopted for this precise purpose as the symbol of National Socialism: the black swastika was the symbol of the black sun, which illuminates with its radiations the mysterious Underworld of Thule/Hyperborea where the Herrenvolk live and can be contacted.


Between 1942 and 1945 the SS experimented with a project known as Cronos/Laternentraeger, the purpose of which was to irridate living beings with certain radiations in an unorthodox plasma-physics project "in order to change their physical structure." Since this project rated No 1 in National Socialist Germany, "Kriegsentscheidend", a unique category for this project only, it has to be suspected that its purpose was to prepare selected persons to descend into Thule/Hyperborea so as to establish contact with the beings living there. If that is so, one has to ask where the SS got the idea that such a thing was possible, and how did they manage to convince the authorities to fund it and give it such a high classification?


It was always thought likely that access to Thule/Hyperborea could best be gained through entrances at the poles, and the suggestion has been made that the German Polar Expedition of 1938/39 Neuschwabenland was actually aimed at investigating the idea of discovering, or confirming, the existence of such an entrance.


The orthodox purpose of the Expedition was described in a book In geheimer Mission zur Antarktis - dir dritte antarktische Expedition 1938/39 und der Plan einer territorialen Festsetzung zur Sicherun des Walfangs authored by Captain Alfred Ritscher and published at Leipzig in 1942. Whale oil was an important raw material for the production of margarine and soap, and "during the Third Reich the shortage was to be offset by inceasing domestic fat production (Fettplan)" even though Hitler was opposed to whaling.
The area surveyed by the Neuschwabenland seaplanes lay between 45 deg. west and 45 deg east, a territory placed under Norwegian soverignty by royal decree on 14 January 1939. Ice and snow-free areas, lakes and vegetation were discovered. It was alleged that there was a secret military sub-purpose to the Expedition: crew members Siewert (an engineer) and Wehrend (a carpenter) reported that they returned aboard the ship on four occasions during 1939 to put ashore building and tunnelling equipment, but this is unconfirmed from other sources.


Admiral Richard Byrd was a famous American polar explorer who led the field. In November 1938 he went to Hamburg at the invitation of the Neuschwabenland expedition and was invited to accompany it, but declined their offer.


In early 1947, Admiral Byrd led the US Navy Antarctic operation High Jump. It was equipped with 14 ships including an aircraft carrier and two seaplane tenders and had 4000 personnel. The expedition was abandoned abruptly in March 1947 following the mysterious loss of a number of aircraft.


On the journey home, Admiral Byrd gave a newspaper interview to Lee van Atta entitled Aboard Mount Olympus on the High Seas which appeared in the daily newspaper El Mercurio of Santiago de Chile on 5 March 1947:

"Admiral Byrd declared today that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defence measures against hostile regions. The Admiral further stated that he didn't want to frighten anybody unduly, but it was a bitter reality that in the case of a new war, the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds."


Admiral Byrd repeated the above points of view resulting from his personal knowledge before a news conference held for International News Services.
The Admiral was hospitalized on his return home, but recovered sufficiently to lead the 1955/56 antarctic project Deep Freeze I.


In Antarctica Admiral Byrd either went schizophrenic or met beings of some description who convinced him that the United States was their enemy: and that these beings had superior flying machines. During a mechanical breakdown to his aircraft, was Admiral Byrd taken down into Thule/Hyperborea?


Well, there is a very strange footnote. Admiral Byrd died in March 1957 and was buried with full military honours in Arlington military cemetery. It was discovered some time subsequently that his grave marker and that of his son bear the same name, "Richard E Byrd", and his wife's name appears on the son's grave and not her husband's. These things do not happen by accident in Arlington cemetery. Thus we are left with the following questions: Did Admiral Byrd enter Thule/Hyperborea through the Antarctic "entrance": while there did his skeletal structure undergo a change: would that change be detected by modern forensic examination: was the purpose of the mix-up of the grave markers to confuse future investigators as to which skeleton was that of Admiral Byrd?

clucer
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 05:32 AM
"Atl" is a Mayan word meaning "water." I have no doubt that the Mayans and this word are connected to "Atlantis."

OD-Kraft
Monday, October 3rd, 2005, 08:06 AM
of corse are the mayans connected with.

Requiem
Wednesday, October 5th, 2005, 12:19 PM
Interesting. In which book of Evola's is the most information provided on the subject of these lands? I have Doctrine of Awakening & Men Amongst the Ruins, but both are ebook and I lack the motivation to truly sit down and scroll through them.